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Anpanman - Historic Deployment: Bluebirds 8-10 Reach Orbit
Anpanman hosted a live, real-time reaction space during the June 17, 2026 launch and orbital deployment of AST SpaceMobile's Bluebird 8, 9, and 10 satellites. It was the first stacked, multi-satellite Block 2 Falcon 9 launch.
He walked listeners through the structural engineering, deployment mechanics, and orbital insertion as they happened. All three satellites separated successfully, which Anpanman frames as decisively refuting industry critics who claimed stacking large satellites in a single fairing was impossible.
Beyond the launch itself, he covers manufacturing ramp status and a rumored Japan 'JLEO' program tell. He also predicts a T-Mobile commercial deal (likely an MOU and/or definitive agreement by Q4 2026) stemming from the new AT&T-Verizon satellite strategy joint venture.
Key Takeaways
- Anpanman hosted a live real-time reaction space during the successful launch and deployment of AST SpaceMobile's Bluebird 8, 9, and 10 satellites (Block 2 design) on a SpaceX Falcon 9 from Cape Canaveral on June 17, 2026.
- All three satellites separated successfully from the stacked Falcon 9 configuration — Bluebird 10 deployed first (opposite the order shown on AST's official mission timeline, which listed Bluebird 8 first), followed by Bluebird 9, with SpaceX confirming all payloads separated; this validated AST's ability to stack multiple large satellites in one fairing after critics claimed it wasn't feasible.
- The composite Block 2 Bluebird satellites are engineered to withstand roughly 6 G's of force during launch, and AST's own promotional graphics showed the 8-satellite stacked configuration could theoretically support the weight of a full passenger airplane or the Statue of Liberty (without its base).
- Anpanman predicts AST SpaceMobile will reach an MOU and/or definitive commercial agreement with T-Mobile before the end of 2026, likely in Q4, following the recently announced AT&T-Verizon satellite-strategy joint venture that also invited T-Mobile to participate; he expects Starlink to remain as a non-exclusive secondary option for T-Mobile customers rather than being dropped entirely.
- Anpanman named two industry commentators, 'Dim Spacebar' and 'Stuart Taylor,' as having publicly and repeatedly claimed AST's satellites would not fit in a Falcon 9 fairing and that SpaceX would not permit satellite stacking; both claims were disproven by this launch.
- AST SpaceMobile is currently producing about 10 'microns' (the phased-array/solar-panel payload) per month but only 'just under 6' composite bus structures per month, per Anpanman's understanding; the company's near-term target is 6 satellites/month around Q3 2026, with an eventual goal of 10-12 satellites/month once a planned dedicated government-focused production line ('government shell') comes online.
- The next Bluebird batch launch (Bluebirds 11, 12, and 13) is expected around late July or early August 2026, based on Anpanman's estimated roughly 3-week integration timeline from satellite shipment to launch.
- The launch-day tradition of drinking full-sugar Dr Pepper (not diet) honors the late Space Mob community member Steve Larrison, an early and influential AST SpaceMobile community researcher whose resting site is located near the Titusville courtyard where community members gather to watch launches.
- AST SpaceMobile recently hired an APAC program manager based in Japan with relevant manufacturing experience, which Anpanman flags as a possible 'tell' connected to the rumored Japan 'JLEO' satellite program, though he stresses the connection is speculative and unconfirmed.
- Every Bluebird satellite, including 8, 9, and 10, has dual-use capability and can support government/military applications even before the constellation reaches the roughly 25 satellites needed to begin commercial beta service.
Detailed Discussion12 topics
Launch Overview and Structural Engineering
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Falcon 9 launched successfully carrying three stacked Block 2 'composite' Bluebird satellites (8, 9, 10); everything looked nominal early in the mission.
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Per the AST SpaceMobile live broadcast introduction video, the composite Bluebirds are engineered to withstand approximately 6 G's of force during launch.
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A company graphic showed that the stacked configuration (with 8 Bluebirds stacked) could support the weight of an entire passenger airplane, or the Statue of Liberty without its base, illustrating the strength of the carbon-fiber/composite structures.
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Reddit commenters and industry consultants had claimed stacking satellites was impossible, or that SpaceX would not allow it; the company's broadcast explained that rocket providers rigorously test structural rigidity before allowing any satellite configuration, since a failure could risk the rocket itself.
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Anpanman referenced a video by Mark Rober/CrunchLabs (which partnered to put an Earth-observation satellite into space) as a useful educational explainer of the launch forces satellites must survive.
Deployment Timeline and Mechanics
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Per the mission timeline: second-stage engine restart at 46 minutes (a very short ~6-second burn), Bluebird 8 deployment listed at approximately 54 minutes, Bluebird 9 at approximately 60 minutes, and Bluebird 10 at approximately 1 hour 5 minutes.
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The three stacked Bluebirds do not separate simultaneously — each releases via a clamp/spring mechanism sequentially, with roughly 5 minutes between each release (Bluebird 8 releases from Bluebird 9, which then releases from Bluebird 10, which finally releases from the Falcon 9 second stage).
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Live coverage confirmed Bluebird 10 deployed first — not Bluebird 8 as the official mission-timeline graphic had shown — followed later by Bluebird 9's successful separation (with partial visual confirmation), and finally SpaceX confirmed 'all payloads successfully separated.'
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Successful satellite separation itself demonstrates the composite structure held up under launch loads, which is notable given this is a new spacecraft design.
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Confirmation that satellites are under control and nominal (powered up, flying) typically comes not long after release, but full deployment/unfolding and successful operations confirmation could take weeks to months; Anpanman guessed operational confirmation would arrive in a few weeks.
Orbital Insertion Details
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The Falcon 9 second stage placed the payload into an elliptical orbit with a low point around 200 km altitude, then performed a short circularization burn once it reached roughly 535 km, resulting in a circular orbit around 536 km at a speed of approximately 26,278 km/h (units as stated, though garbled in the recording).
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By the end of the broadcast, the stated orbital altitude was 546 km.
SpaceMob Community and Steve Larrison Tribute
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A large international SpaceMob community was awake and active in the company's YouTube chat, including a notably large contingent of Korean shareholders; a group of roughly 8-10 SpaceMob members gathered at a rooftop bar in the Titusville courtyard in Cape Canaveral to watch the launch, including Kook.
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The full-sugar (not diet) Dr Pepper launch-day tradition honors Steve Larrison, an early, well-regarded Space Mob community member and researcher who helped many people in the community (including Anpanman) and championed looking at AI/machine learning as early as roughly 2023; his favorite drink was Dr Pepper.
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Community members at Titusville visited Steve Larrison's resting site, located near the courtyard bar, before the launch.
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Anpanman recalled BlueWalker 3's launch (which he described as approximately 4 years earlier, i.e. around September 2022) as a company-defining event — he and Kook were both there in person with their children, and a mission failure at that stage would likely have been fatal to the company's ability to continue.
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AST SpaceMobile's stock was reported up 6.4% during the overnight/launch trading session, with community members noting they were buying shares overnight.
JLEO Program and Japan Hiring
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A rumored 'JLEO' program has recently come up in the community; one possible 'tell' is that AST SpaceMobile recently hired an APAC program manager based in Japan with significant manufacturing experience at a large Japanese company, which Anpanman suggests could be linked to timing around a JLEO-related decision, though he cautions this connection is unconfirmed speculation.
Manufacturing Ramp
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Anpanman's understanding is the company can currently manufacture around 10 satellites' worth of 'microns' (the phased-array/solar-panel payload) per month, but the composite 'donut' structures housing the phased array plus the control bus are produced at 'just under 6' per month (roughly 4-5).
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Reaching 6 satellites/month is a company goal, but is less urgent right now given Blue Origin's New Glenn is offline after the Bluebird 7 loss, reducing available launch capacity; Anpanman guesses the 6/month rate is reached sometime in Q3 2026, over the next month or two.
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Longer-term, once additional launch providers come online, Anpanman expects the company to scale toward roughly 10-12 satellites per month at full capacity, factoring in a planned dedicated 'government shell' production line in addition to low-band and mid-band Block 2 Bluebirds.
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Anpanman noted the company recently disclosed at its annual meeting (this past week, relative to the June 17, 2026 episode) that the 'first one or two' Block 2 Bluebirds would launch by the end of the year — a statement Anpanman relayed as-is, though it appears to conflict with Block 2 satellites (Bluebird 6, 7, 8, 9, 10) already having launched by this point.
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There is a possibility of a PR disclosing that 'batch 2' satellites are finished/ready but awaiting shipment, since satellites can be ready before the next Falcon 9 slot; the company reportedly hired or was looking to hire a processing manager at Cape Canaveral and may rent or build an integration/storage facility there because AST may ship more Bluebirds than can be immediately launched.
Deployment Confirmation
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Live coverage confirmed Bluebird 10 successfully deployed first.
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Bluebird 9 successfully separated shortly after, with a partial live visual shown of the deployment.
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SpaceX confirmed on the broadcast that 'all payloads successfully separated,' completing the deployment of Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10; the visual shown was of the payload adapter cone that had carried the three stacked satellites, not the satellites themselves separating.
Satellite Design History
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Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10 represent AST SpaceMobile's fifth satellite design overall: BlueWalker 1 (a CubeSat) was the first, BlueWalker 3 (an 8m-by-8m centered control bus) the second, the five Block 1 Bluebirds (also 8m-by-8m with next-gen phased array/microns) the third, Bluebird 6 and 7 the fourth design, and the current composite Block 2 Bluebirds (8, 9, 10) the fifth design.
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Anpanman corrected a listener's characterization that this was AST's 'first commercial batch mission' — the true first batch launch was the five Block 1 Bluebirds launched together in 2024 (described as '4 on the bottom and 1 on top').
T-Mobile Deal Outlook and AT&T-Verizon JV
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Anpanman predicts AST SpaceMobile will reach a deal with T-Mobile — an MOU and/or definitive agreement — before the end of 2026, most likely in Q4; he called this 'pretty much fait accompli.'
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AT&T and Verizon invited T-Mobile to join their new joint venture focused on pooling spectrum and sharing infrastructure for direct-to-cell satellite connectivity, with AT&T 'quarterbacking' the effort; the JV will be positioned to regulators as important for US broadband connectivity and national security.
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Per Anpanman's conversations with the company, AST's existing exclusivity is with AT&T and Verizon, and the new AT&T/Verizon joint venture is what opens the door for T-Mobile to work with AST SpaceMobile.
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Anpanman does not expect a visible, fanfare 'breakup' between T-Mobile and Starlink; instead he expects Starlink to remain available as a non-exclusive add-on for T-Mobile customers to appease regulators, while AST SpaceMobile becomes T-Mobile's default full-broadband satellite option.
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T-Mobile's exclusivity arrangement with Starlink ends in June or July 2026; Anpanman expects a possible T-Mobile MOU with AST as soon as this month or next, but not a definitive agreement immediately, since the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile JV itself must first become definitive and clear regulatory review before a commercial deal with AST for T-Mobile would follow, pushing definitive terms potentially to Q4 or later.
Next Launch Timing and Batch Shipment
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Anpanman guesses the next Bluebird batch launch will occur in late July or early August 2026.
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Integration time from satellite shipment to launch is roughly 3 weeks, which Anpanman describes as fast because the satellites ('tuna cans') are self-contained and stack directly on each other atop the Falcon 9, without needing a custom launch-vehicle adapter structure.
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Bluebirds 11, 12, and 13 are expected to be ready for shipment fairly soon, with shipment timed roughly 3 weeks ahead of the next Falcon 9 launch slot, likely putting shipment/launch around late July or early August 2026.
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The next launch is expected to be a company-sponsored/hosted event; Anpanman expects launch parties to become less frequent (every 2-3 batches rather than every batch) as launch cadence increases.
Debunking Industry Skeptics
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Anpanman named an independent industry consultant referred to as 'Dim Spacebar' who had claimed, starting around Mobile World Congress, that AST's satellites would not fit inside a standard Falcon 9 fairing; this claim was proven false by the successful launch.
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Anpanman named a second independent consultant, Stuart Taylor, who claimed SpaceX would not allow AST's satellites to be stacked in a fairing; this was also proven false, as the satellites were successfully stacked and launched.
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Anpanman noted that some hedge funds, via expert-network calls, had taken these skeptics' claims seriously enough to ask whether the satellites would even fit in a Falcon 9.
Dual-Use Government/Military Capability
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Every Bluebird satellite, including 8, 9, and 10, has the capability to be used for government or military purposes even while the constellation is still building toward the roughly 25 satellites needed to start commercial beta service.
Watch Items6
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T-Mobile MOU and/or definitive commercial agreement with AST SpaceMobile
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Next Bluebird batch launch (Bluebirds 11, 12, 13)
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Manufacturing rate reaching 6 satellites/month
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Possible PR confirming 'batch 2' satellites finished and awaiting shipment
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T-Mobile/Starlink exclusivity expiration
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Confirmation from AST that Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10 are communicating and operating nominally
Open Questions3
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Why did the actual live deployment order (Bluebird 10 first, then Bluebird 9) differ from AST's official mission-timeline graphic, which listed Bluebird 8 deploying first?
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Does AST SpaceMobile's recent hiring of a Japan-based APAC program manager actually connect to a real upcoming 'JLEO' program decision, or is the timing coincidental?
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Will AST SpaceMobile issue a shipment-readiness press release for 'batch 2' in the near term, and when will the satellites actually ship given the timing of the next Falcon 9 slot?
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For example, it looks like I think someone had spoken to the company before, but the composite Bluebirds, the amount of Gs that they have to sustain is somewhere around 6 Gs. Either it's 6 or maybe it's even, yeah, yeah, 6 Gs, I think. And so in one of the graphics that they showed, they talked about how each Bluebird or the Bluebird on the bottom, once you've stacked 8 of these things, that it can support an entire passenger airplane or the Statue of Liberty without the base, which is insane, right? So we're talking about carbon fiber structures, which obviously have been reinforced, but that's some insane engineering. I think somebody on Reddit had talked about how The people who, I guess, industry consultants and other armchair critics have talked about how stacking is impossible or whatever it is, right? Or that SpaceX wouldn't allow the company to stack satellites. But there was a very clear explanation about how they test The structural rigidity of these things. And you have to put them through hell because before any rocket company will allow you to put satellites on in whatever configuration, they need to be absolutely sure that your satellites are going to survive the rigors of launch. Because obviously they don't want a satellite disassembling itself during launch and of course putting the rocket at At risk. So anyway, I think for normal people like you and me, there's a lot more engineering and difficulty that goes into these things. And so much respect to these people. I think for everybody, I think obviously it's not good that the satellites were delayed, but you've got to make absolutely sure that these things are rock solid and are going to survive the forces of launch, and then of course survive out in space and deploy successfully. And so I posted a video a few, maybe it was like a few months ago where, for those that don't know, Mark Rober of CrunchLabs, he, they, that program, they actually built a built an Earth, or they partnered with someone to put up an Earth observation satellite up in space. And this was like an education for children about why, you know, the types of forces that a satellite has to go through during launch and the insane engineering that goes behind it. And so it was pretty cool to actually get a detailed, simple understanding of what What types of rigors the satellite and stresses that, you know, the satellites have to undergo. But I'll post that sometime. Maybe I'll try to find it right now. But I figured I'd start this space because there's probably a lot of people up while their family or whoever else is sleeping. And so we can all just hang out here. But it was funny to Wake up to the company's YouTube channel and there are an— I mean, there's folks from different nationalities, but I wanted to shout out to all the Korean Space Mom. There's a ton of Korean shareholders who are up and excited chatting into the YouTube. Let me just see here. So we do have a number of Space Mob folks down in Florida. I know that they are taking photos and videos, so hopefully they'll share those. I did share 2 pictures from the courtyard in Titusville that one of the Space Mob shared with me, but it shows the lineup of Falcon 9 launches. [00:06:32] Speaker E: Oh. [00:06:45] Speaker D: Okay, so satellite separation about 20 more minutes. Just looking at the timeline, we've got second engine starting restarts at 46 minutes, and then that's interesting. So The second, second stage engine only fires for 6 seconds. So you got, it's 46 minutes and then it ends at 46 minutes and 6 seconds. So it's a very short burst. And then you've got Bluebird 8 deploys at 54 minutes and then Bluebird 9 at approximately 60 minutes and then Bluebird 10 at 1 hour and 5 minutes. So I know some people had questions about whether all 3 Bluebirds would just detach simultaneously. Um, no, that's not the case. So you're going to have one, the, the second one will— there's some type of clamp and it will unleash the clamp. And then I believe, as Katzie had pointed out, there's probably some type of, I mean, some type of mechanism that's like a spring and it would help push Bluebird 8 off of Bluebird 9. And then after another 5 minutes, you would have Bluebird 10 would release its clamp. So Bluebird 9 would go off. And then at the end, of course, Bluebird 10, which is at, from what I understand, looking at the timeline here, I guess Bluebird 10 is at the bottom. Eventually that one will release itself. So actually, I guess the way to think about it is Bluebird 8 has clamps that attach it to Bluebird 9, and so Bluebird 8 will release the clamps and then Bluebird 8 can leave. Then Bluebird 9 will release its clamps and then it will separate from 10, and then 10 is on the bottom, and then it will release its clamps and release itself from the Falcon 9 Stage 2. If anyone has any questions, feel free to comment. I could answer them. Wow, there's 350 people in here. A lot of people are awake. Let's see, Morant says, beautiful lunch tonight. I could feel the rumble through my body. Wow. Are you actually there or you're just, that's just the feeling you had? That'd be kind of funny. Let's see. Keys, proud to see all the crews gathered at all hours. Yes. When you have a significant amount of your net worth invested in a stock that's going up on a rocket, a combustible rocket, there's nothing quite like it. I remember when I first watched BlueWalker 3 launch aboard Falcon 9, that was a rideshare mission. Kook and I were the only from, well, I'm sure there are other Space Mob there, but Kook and I were there at launch. I was there with my son and he was there with his daughter. And that was the craziest feeling to see for the first time, you know, Falcon 9 take up BlueWalker 3. And that was a company-defining event because obviously with the success of that mission, that led to additional funding and of course the company to continue to survive. If that mission had failed, that would've been no bueno. But I remember just having a tremendous amount of excitement and anxiety at the same time. And also praying, praying before launch and praying while watching the rocket go up. So, and that was what, September 2022? So I guess that was— approximately 4 years ago, which is pretty crazy. And then of course, Block 1 launch, the 5 Bluebirds, that was fun and that was tremendous because at that event, the company had a big party for Space Mob. And so that was great to meet a lot of folks. And then of course, Bluebird 7, which didn't make it to orbit. That was a lot of fun to watch and everyone was excited, happy. And then we all left the launch site And of course, we didn't find out until later when there was supposed to be an expected separation that the second stage for Blue Origin New Glenn unfortunately didn't have a second light. It was interesting. I think the live countdown from AST SpaceMobile was behind. And so there was a little bit of nervousness, I think, from everyone where, uh, we saw that, uh, our countdown had gone to zero, but then the rocket didn't launch. And maybe it wasn't until 15, 20 seconds later. I'll have to go back and look at the SpaceX or NASA Spaceflight YouTubes to see what happened there. Perhaps they delayed launch for a few seconds or— [00:11:58] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:11:59] Speaker D: it could have been our countdown was too early, but I feel like perhaps there was probably some delay. Let's see. Toterra must make sure they don't launch with Blue Origin when they get back to flight. Yeah, I know people are pretty upset about Bluebird 7, which is understandable, right? But Blue Origin, Is an important company and vehicle, the New Glenn, for not only AST SpaceMobile, but the US space program. So I don't think we will be launching on New Glenn until obviously the launch pad is rebuilt and they've probably at least executed, I mean, 2 commercial missions successfully. And then perhaps we'll, we'll go back on that vehicle. Some funny comments here. So for those that don't know, um, Cook is down in Cape Canaveral at Titusville. the courtyard of Titusville, there's a nice bar on the top that has, it's an open roof. And so you can see launch from there. I know the handful of folks, or I think it's like maybe there's 8 to 10 of them that are down there. Unfortunately, I couldn't make it because I had a conflict. I couldn't get help to watch our, to chaperone our kids for some event that was coming up. And so I'm here in New York, but There's several folks who are down there. I know Cook had tweeted doing pushups with all of them, and they all did visit Steve Larison's resting site, which is actually right behind the Courtyard Titusville. But yeah, there's a nice bar up there, and so everyone's watching the event. Maybe someone's listening here, which I doubt. They should all be talking to each other, not listening to some podcast. But One of the traditions that we have, which someone had asked about earlier, you know, they had asked what's up with this Dr Pepper tradition. And for those who don't know, it should be a full sugar Dr Pepper, not zero calorie, which I think what Coop purchased. But Dr Pepper, it was a drink that our friend Steve Larsen really enjoyed. And so for those that don't know, Steve Larsen was an early Space Mob guy. He did a lot of research and helped quite a few people in the community and helps me as well. Tremendous individual, selfless, giving, really smart guy. I remember he was telling us to look at AI and machine learning back when it wasn't cool. I think it was like 2023. But anyway, his favorite drink was Dr Pepper. And so memory of him, we always have Dr Pepper on launch day, which is great because I actually, I growing up, I used to drink a lot of Dr Pepper. So we're at coming up on 39 minutes. So I guess we probably have about 6 minutes left before second engine restart. Let's see. Gary Teplis, I bought more shares on Schwab overnight trading platform. Is anyone else buying overnight trading? Clearly there are people buying overnight. The stock is up 6.4%. And then Brian Burke is, he just tweeted his arm tattoo, which is pretty cool. For those that haven't seen it, there's a Block.one bluebird beaming down signals to where he lives, I believe, which is Michigan. Yeah, that looks like Michigan. What do you think Tim Ferriss is dreaming about right now? I don't know if Tim Ferriss dreams. He's such a negative and small individual. I don't believe he is capable of dreaming. For someone who tries to cut the legs of others and discourage people from dreaming, I just don't think he's capable. Is that too mean to say? No, I'm just being honest. Let's see. Can you shed any light on potential tells for the JLEO program Cook alluded to? Odds on a shipment readiness PR tomorrow. Okay. So this JLEO program is something that kind of popped up. There's people who've been following it longer than I have, but it popped up recently. And one of the potential tells is that the company recently hired an APAC program manager in Japan, someone who has tremendous experience in Japan working for one of the large companies there. And so this individual who was recently hired, it seems like hiring this person specifically in Japan for APAC and given their experience in manufacturing, yeah, there could be some potential linkages as to why you would hire this person at this specific time in front of this potential decision. So That that was the that was the potential mosaic, but unclear if if you can directly connect those. But it seems to strongly suggest that. Let's see. Wish we could see a live stream with Abel, Abel, and Scott. There are there are some ASD Space Mobile execs down there in Cape Canaveral for sure. But yeah, that would be pretty cool if Abel could if Abel could. I guess talk to Space Mob and do his, his pump-up speech like he did, uh, on the previous launches. Uh, odds of a shipment readiness PR tomorrow? Um, I don't know. I don't know what the odds are. I mean, I, I'd be surprised if we see one. Um, but I do think we are very close to finishing batch 2. And so, um, for those— I mentioned this yesterday, but There, there is a possibility that we get a PR that discloses that batch 2 is finished and that we are waiting to ship those because you might be in a situation where— oh, Scott just tweeted. Let me just look here. But you might be in a situation where the satellites are ready. [00:19:11] Speaker E: Yeah. [00:19:12] Speaker D: But of course the Falcon 9 is scheduled for a later time. And so the satellites may be ready, but then you just wait to actually ship those until they're ready to be processed, which by the way, like AST is, they did hire a, or they were looking to hire a processing manager down in Cape Canaveral. And so I believe the company is going to either rent or build a facility for storage, an integration facility. And so We are probably going down this path where we will be shipping more Bluebirds than can be launched. And, you know, we'll need a facility there to hold them and process them. So that's a pretty— that'll be a pretty cool milestone for us. So let's see what Scott posted here. In orbit again with 3 more of the largest phased arrays ever deployed in LEO. That's right. That's a cool picture. So I guess this is interesting. Maybe just looking at the mission timeline, maybe SpaceX is wrong, or because the Bluebirds are stacked 10, 9, 8 from top to bottom, but then on the mission profile, it shows that 8 is deployed, 9 is deployed, and 10 is deployed. And so maybe you have all 3 deploy and then they separate from each other. I don't know. [00:20:48] Speaker F: When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use Indeed Sponsored Jobs. It gives your job posts the boost it needs to be seen and helps reach people with the right skills, certifications, and more. Spend less time searching and more time actually interviewing candidates who check all your boxes. Listeners of this show will get a $75 sponsored job credit at indeed.com/podcast. That's indeed.com/podcast. Terms and conditions apply. Need a hiring hero? This is a job for Indeed Sponsored Jobs. [00:21:39] Speaker D: All right. We should have relighting soon. It's in a minute and 20 seconds. Let me just look and see. Would these 3 Bluebirds be able to operate either the government or military while we wait to have 25 up to start beta service? Okay. And can we just confirm— oh, here, we're going to go back to coverage. I'm going to be quiet. All right, we should have a second burn here soon. Looks like there's like, there's some ice that's flopping off. [00:23:08] Speaker B: Phew. [00:23:28] Speaker D: There we go. MVAC startup. Second burn. And that was it. It was like a pulse fire. It does look like there's some gases being released. Great. So that's good. We had a nominal restart and that looks like it was a small pulse fire. So I think, let me just go back and see what that was needed for. Oh yeah. Okay. So what that did prior to the second burn, Let's see. That's interesting. Okay, so just so that people know, let me explain what we were. We were in similar to what happened with Blue Origin New Glenn. We are in an elliptical orbit, right? And so, from what I can tell, I'm looking at this. So our speed. You know, at the lowest part of the elliptical orbit, I think the altitude, just looking back, was in the 200-kilometer range. And so at, once we hit the, just looking here, so once we had hit 485 kilometers, call it 500 kilometers. We actually— let me look here exactly. So once we had hit around 535 kilometers, we did this quick burn, which I think straightened the orbit— or not straightened the orbit, but turned it into a circular orbit. And so that's why you needed that short Fire. So now we are at 536 kilometers, and we're currently at 26,278 kilometers per meter in terms of speed. Oh cool! So High Peaks Venture. Just replied with his own video of folks watching the launch. Very cool. So for those who haven't been to a launch, when you're observing the launch, you'll see the rocket ignite and then take off well before you actually hear, hear it, uh, because sound takes quite some time to travel. But there's nothing quite like it. If you haven't been to launch, highly recommend it. Oh, so going back to the question, will these 3 Bluebirds be able to operate for either the government or military while we wait for them to have 25 Bluebirds up to start beta service? Yes. So every Bluebird has the ability to function for dual use cases. And so these are obviously primarily focused on commercial, but they will have capability, you know, You can use them for military purposes as well. Every satellite will be able to do that. Let's see. Seems like they can reliably produce 3 a month now and ship. How do you think that ramps? Does it increase by 1 each month to 6? So from what I understand, I think the company is at a point now where they can manufacture 10 satellites worth of microns, which is the important part of the payload. It's the phased array solar panel portion, the thin panels. And so I think the company is probably at around 10 per month, but then the composite donuts where the phased array is stored. And then of course you have the control sat in there. I think they're just under 6 per month. And so maybe that's around 4 to 5, but that is ramping up. Now, given where we are with launch, getting to 6 a month is not as important right now. And so the company is of course trending to get there, but then with Blue Origin New Glenn offline, That's getting to 6 a month is not as important. But of course, as we add additional launch providers, you know, that will have more capacity to take these Bluebirds up. But yeah, the idea is to get to 6. My guess is that probably happens in Q3 sometime over the next month or 2, and then Outside of that, you know, the company is eventually going to scale that. They've talked about putting up a government shell and as disclosed in the annual meeting today, I think, or sorry, this past week, I think the Block 2 Bluebirds, the first one or two will be launched by the end of this year. Are we ready? Okay, I'm— we're listening to SpaceX right now. Oh, very cool. So we are going— we are not going to have a view of the first deployment, but we're going to have limited views of the second and third. So a minute away from first deployment. So we'll see if they labeled this correctly. They have on their timeline Bluebird 8 deploys first, but if you look at the stack, it looks like Bluebird 10 should deploy first. We'll see here. Going back to what I was saying before, yeah, so the company is planning to get probably closer to 10 to 12 satellites a month when they're at full steam. That takes into account The fact that there's probably going to be a government shell. So in addition to the low band Block 2 Bluebirds and then the mid band— oh, 10 seconds. So waiting for his plant. So we're not gonna see this one. Deployed, but hopefully we'll see the second and third. Okay, so there will be a confirmation of deployment when they go over their next ground station, and then the second deployment is— will be up next, which we should get a potential partial visual. Let's see. Chiming in from Calgary, Alberta. Beautiful launch and landing of the boosters. How long until AST confirms fully functional satellites after they are released? You do get a confirmation that you're in control of satellites, that they're nominal, not long after they're released, because it powers up and then you start flying the spacecraft. But in terms of full deployment and successful operations, that could take weeks or months depending. With each new one, though, that process becomes shorter and shorter. And so, I don't know. My guess is we'll probably hear about successful operations of the satellites maybe a few weeks later. Someone's. Someone's saying, thank you for doing this. Normally I listen to you on the podcast at 1.5 times the speed. They listen to it after. Oh, nice. Okay, so Bluebird, the first Bluebird, um, yeah, they did have this in opposite order. So we just heard over The, the livecast that Bluebird 10 has been successfully deployed. So that's great news. That means the clamping mechanism and the springs or whatever separation force they used was successful. So we're going to wait for Bluebird 9 to deploy. And we should have a visual, hopefully. That's going to happen at 59 minutes and 47 seconds. So in about 2 minutes. Congratulations all. First Bluebird deployed, that Bluebird 10. Nice. All right. So the first Bluebird 10 has been deployed. It's left the nest, as it were, and we're waiting for Bluebird 9. That's Next deployment, 15 seconds. So Bluebird 9 is ready to go. Nice. There we go. So Bluebird 9 is— oh, we got a visual. Very cool. So we got about 4 minutes left. Bluebird 9 has been successfully separated, so that's great. Another thing to keep in mind is the fact that we are separating Bluebirds means that the structure's held up and they are, they're doing just fine, which is great, especially in the context of this new spacecraft, the composite Bluebirds. And so for those that don't know, this is now, let's see, 1, 2, yeah, 1, 2, 3, 4. [00:37:47] Speaker A: Mm-hmm. [00:37:57] Speaker D: So this is the company's 4th design for spacecraft. Bluebird, sorry, BlueWalker 3 was, or actually I take that back. This is the 5th. So we had BlueWalker 1, which is a CubeSat, BlueWalker 3, which is more like what Block 1 satellites, the 8-meter by 8-meter centered control bus satellite. And then you had the Block 1 satellites, which there were 5 of those. That was the 8-meter by 8-meter satellites that had the next-generation phased array/solar panel microns. And then you had Bluebird 6 and Bluebird 7, which were the third— sorry, the fourth design. And then now you've got the 5th design, which is the Block 2 composite Bluebirds, of which we've just launched 3. Or we've got now the 3rd ready to separate, which hopefully we'll have a pretty good video of. You can see in this video feed, the payload adapter on the bottom. I'm going to go back to some of these questions here. [00:39:14] Speaker E: Okay. [00:39:15] Speaker D: Am I planning to catch up on sleep later today? Yes. So after this, I'm going to try to go back to sleep and for a few winks before I have to get up. Let's see. Happy to be watching launch that is daytime in the UK rather than at 1 AM in the morning. Yes. I guess this is good for people in Europe, but then I guess we pulled one on you guys since the World Cup games are at terrible hours for you. So this is a little gimme for you guys that Bluebird, this mission is launching at a more reasonable time for you. Okay. Do you know what altitude they're planning to release? Well, you can look at the feed. We are currently at 546 kilometers. So that's the orbital altitude. When can we see the next batch launch? Um, I think the next batch launch is probably going to be late July or perhaps very early August. That's my guess. As we've seen, once you've shipped the Bluebirds, it takes about 3 weeks for integration, which is actually very fast. I think the integration period is so quick because these tuna cans actually just sit on top of the Falcon 9 inside the fairing, the little platform. And so you don't have to put together some type of erector set launch vehicle adapter to hold satellites. These actually think these satellites are self-contained. They stack on each other. So it's very, or I won't say very easy integration process, but it should be A simple integration process. Okay, final play of the point. So we're coming up on here, I think. Ah, 30 seconds. Maybe this is the satellite, which looks a bit more metallic than I had expected. Yeah, I think that is a satellite. No, I think this is the bottom ring, the bottom ring that holds up the satellites. Yeah, that's right. I don't know how much we're gonna be able to see, actually. Congratulations everyone, all payloads successfully separated. Yeah, so great shout out from SpaceX for AST. Let's see if there's any additional words from AST. Probably not. Oh, there we go. Congratulations, everybody. [00:43:09] Speaker C: Amazing. [00:43:09] Speaker D: Emma looks good. She looks good for someone at 300— 3:46 AM or 2:30 AM. She's wearing her glasses, so I'm sure she wears contacts, But she doesn't look as grizzled as I do. But yeah, that's it, guys. We successfully launched Bluebird 8, 9, and 10. And so we should expect to hear from the company maybe in a PR or tweet that everything is nominal and the satellites are operating as expected. What we did see What we did see in that visual was the bottom of the adapter on the Falcon 9. And so it's like this upside-down cone that carried the 3 Bluebirds stacked on top of one another. And so that was, unfortunately, that was our visual. We couldn't see the satellite separate, which they might actually, we might see some type of video later, but. Let me just go through some more of these questions. Do we see a potential T-Mobile deal? My answer is yes. I think there will be a deal with T-Mobile. It's not going to be in the next weeks or months, but before the end of the year, I think you'll see an MOU and/or definitive agreement with T-Mobile. I think that's pretty much fait accompli. For those that don't know, AT&T and Verizon invited T-Mobile to join this joint venture, which is focused on direct-to-cell satellite connectivity by pulling together spectrum and sharing infrastructure, which AT&T is quarterbacking. They're going to try to provide a more full broadband experience to consumers in the US and the way that it's going to be positioned to regulators is that this is going to be important for US broadband connectivity and also national security. And as part of that, importantly, if you talk to the company, they say, you know, we've got exclusivity with AT&T and Verizon, and this new joint venture basically opens up T-Mobile for us to work together with them. And so that's going to happen. I don't think there will be a visible or fanfare breakup with Starlink for T-Mobile. My guess is in order to appease regulators, they'll probably offer Starlink as an add-on service and just keep that in place. But for T-Mobile, my guess is the default service for people looking for satellite connectivity will be C Space Mobile. And so you can, you can put some money on it. Um, I think that that's probably going to happen sometime in the 4th quarter this year. And yeah, that's something to look forward to. Let's see, someone says, I highly recommend watching from the 528 Bridge. Okay, we'll keep that in mind. So, um, the next launch is going to be company-sponsored And so they, just given how many launches we're expecting on an ongoing basis, there's not going to be launch parties for all these things. My guess is once the cadence really gets going, instead of having a launch party every other batch, it could be every 2 to 3 batches, but which would be ideal, right? Because that means like we're putting a lot of metal in orbit. But yeah, the next one, Will be a company-hosted event. So if you haven't been to Launch, definitely recommend going, especially if it's one hosted by the company. But if not, you can be just like the Space Mob who are down there right now. Pook, there's Tux, Tanner, quite a few guys who met up at the courtyard in Titusville who are watching it live. Let's see here. Huge milestone, our first commercial batch mission. Let that sink in, Space Mob. Um, yes and no. This is our first commercial batch for Block 2, but this is not our first batch mission. We actually— our first batch mission was Block 1 satellites, so where we launched 5 of the, the Block 1 satellites. Um, if, if you guys remember, there were 5 of these beer cans stacked on each other, 4 on the bottom and 1 on top. That was our first batch launch back in 2024. Questions: Will Knicks repeat? I think they've got a pretty good shot, but I don't know. I feel like one—I haven't been watching NBA lately, but one of the cool things that you know—I yeah, I haven't followed NBA closely, but when it comes to playoffs, I always tune in. But one of the cool things is that I guess over the last what eight years, there's been a different champion, which is great for. for someone who was watching the NBA during the '90s when the Bulls dominated, that was fun but also boring. Whereas now I love that it's kind of up in the air and you have a different winner each time. And I do feel like the Spurs played a really good series that they just were so immature and made so many mistakes and imploded. So, but I'd love the Knicks to win again. That would be amazing. Let's see. So someone who was there, the launch was well worth it. I agree, you could feel the rumble in your chest. Yeah, that's right. Let's see. I think this will be the first time mini squeeze happens after launch, not a dump. Um, yeah, who knows, we'll see. I mean, I think, I think, um, given the sell-off we've had in space names, um, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if we have pretty sustained rally from here, but we'll see. I mean, there's a lot of weird factor stuff going on. Let's see. So what happens to stage 2 after the satellites are deployed? Well, the satellites are deployed, the company will establish communications with the satellite, they'll power them up, they'll make sure everything's nominal, they'll maneuver the You know, they'll detumble them and maneuver them into place. When I, when I say detumble, you need to get the satellites in the right orientation, and they have got a number of ways to do that with magnetorquers and propulsion. But once you get it into the right spot, then at some point you can unfold the satellite or deploy it. It's unfold, by the way, not unfurl. Let's see, when do you expect BB-11 to 13? I do think BB-11 through 13 are going to be ready to be shipped fairly soon. And then depending on when the next Falcon 9 launch is scheduled, you would work back, call it 3 weeks, and so that's when you would ship it. [00:50:31] Speaker E: Right. [00:50:31] Speaker D: And so I think that one is probably targeting sometime in the end of July or perhaps early August. And so we could see a PR that the satellites are ready for shipment, but then waiting to be shipped, just given the, you know, the timeline of when the next Falcon 9 launch will be. Let's see. Mari Peterson saying, my hope was that since this was the first launch since the SpaceX IPO, I was hoping for good luck. Well, it seems like we were lucky. Why Q4 for T-Mobile? Didn't their exclusivity not end for Starlink? So T-Mobile exclusivity ends in June or July, and I think we could see an MOU with T-Mobile maybe this month or next month, but I don't think there'll be a definitive agreement just yet because it's going to take time for those terms to be worked out. Also from a regulatory standpoint, if the— so you first need to see the joint venture, those parties actually come to a definitive joint agreement with each other. And so right now they, it's basically, you know, an intention to work together, but that agreement is going to take some time. And so maybe if that goes definitive in 1 to 2 months, and then that has to go through some regulatory review, there is some sequencing to this. You probably don't want to have a commercial agreement with T-Mobile until after first that JV is put together and then it's approved by regulators. And so that's why I was saying maybe this T-Mobile definitive agreement could be Q4, potentially even later. But in the meantime, T-Mobile is going to use Starlink for their service. And then as I said before, it's going to be on a non-exclusive basis. So To appease regulators, T-Mobile will say, well, we're offering Starlink as a secondary option, but we're also going to give customers true broadband, which is AST SpaceMobile. And so it would be hard for regulators to argue that it's anti-competitive if Starlink is being offered by T-Mobile. And of course, Starlink is going to go directly to consumers. And so that's You know, it's hard. It's, it, for regulators, it's like, oh, we gave Starlink approval for 60 megahertz of mid-band spectrum and they're going direct to consumers. The market is vibrant. There's competitors there. So let's see. So yeah, we should hear back from the company maybe within the next few hours that everything is nominal and going as expected. Let me just look at the timeline here. Uh, Cook has a good point. He's responding to Scott Wisniewski. Let's get mission patches added to the merch store ASAP so we can add them to our launch jackets. Yes, I'm going to buy some mission patches. Let me just tweet here. Oh, we got SpaceX. Let me just retweet this. All right. Well, I'm not sure. Let me see if there's any other comments or questions, and then I'm going to try to go back to sleep. Let's see, someone is asking, when does AST report they're communicating with the satellites and everything's okay? Uh, we should probably hear that in the next few hours here. Uh, someone wants me— A word for those who said the satellite won't fit in the Falcon. Yeah. So I guess I'll just tip the hat to our friend Dim Spacebar, America's favorite independent consultant, who is more— keyword is unemployed for many years. But this guy started the rumor back in, I think at Mobile World Congress and was telling everybody with his hair on fire that our satellites would not fit in a Falcon 9 fairing. which is a standard size fairing, which our design— our satellites were designed to fit in any standard size fairing. But, um, this clown was saying that it would not fit in a Falcon 9. And then of course this other unemployed independent consultant, uh, Stuart Taylor, um, you know, claimed that SpaceX would not allow, uh, satellites to be stacked in a fairing. And so obviously both were 100% wrong. We successfully stacked our satellites in the Falcon 9 fairing. It was allowed. You know, it's kind of funny because like you have these guys who claim to be industry experts, but yet they talk, they don't have any conversations with the actual companies they criticize, nor do they have a relationship with SpaceX, but they make these claims. Where they come up with the claims, I don't know. Maybe it's a They have some, you know, under some mind-bending substances, they come up with these crazy harebrained ideas. But yeah, they claimed that we would not be able to stack our satellites in the Falcon 9 fairing, nor would they fit. But of course today just dispelled those notions. And what's funny is like they're, There were a number of hedge funds who actually believe them. And so oftentimes some of us have access to these expert networks, and in the expert network reports, you had the hedge funds who were asking questions. The first question would be, do these satellites fit in a Falcon 9? Is there issues? Which is hilarious. Redrum, are you going for a new record of long space? I hope not. I need to go to bed. But what I will do later today is I will snip the opening intro of AST SpaceMobile. That had a lot of great nuggets. Let's see. All right. So I think that's pretty much it. Yeah. I mean, that is a That was tremendous. We had a successful launch and successful deployment of 3 of our satellites. It just goes to show how difficult this is and what a tremendous accomplishment SpaceX, the Falcon 9 program, what that's been. It's a workhorse, a very reliable vehicle. It's something that everybody, whether that's for Starship or a Blue Origin Or Relativity or Rocket Lab. Well, Rocket Lab has it with their Electron rocket, but for the future Neutron rocket, it's something that everyone is aspiring to. And big thanks to SpaceX for the ride, a reliable ride without any issues. And I will say, yeah, what I guess it hasn't hit me fully because it's 4:00 AM and I'm kind of half awake, but For those that are down at Cape Canaveral, thanks for showing up and saying hello to Steve Larsen. And, you know, it, I think everybody, the good vibes in terms of people being down there and supporting launch, and of course everybody being up at this time, every little ounce helps. And so with that, I'm going to conclude. I'm going to try to get a few hours more sleep and then I'll be back up. and we can talk more about this launch and what it means. I am going to, before I go to bed, I'll try to clip the introductory video and I'll post that so people can watch it more easily on X. But with that, I'm going to end this and thanks everyone for joining. We'll do it again soon. Take care. [00:59:07] Speaker C: Thanks for listening to the AST SpaceMobile Podcast. 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