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2026-08-24 45:13

Why SpaceX Secretly Fears $ASTS (Insider Call Leaked)

Kook

This is a solo weekly recap from Kook of the AST SpaceMobile Podcast, published August 24, 2026, with no other named host or guest present. Kook connects the White House's new National Space Transportation Policy to a SpaceX insider expert call and the ongoing Grain spectrum saga.

Kook argues the White House's August 20, 2026 National Space Transportation Policy is a government-driven tailwind for ASTS, comparing it to past government-backed capital cycles like the US housing boom and China's commodity supercycle. He calls the current period a 'tooling phase' where infrastructure is built quietly before a visible payoff.

Kook relays commentary from a SpaceX expert-network call claiming SpaceX systemically dismissed ASTS as a competitor and alienated MNOs like Verizon, AT&T, and Vodafone with aggressive upfront-payment demands, pushing them toward ASTS instead. He also covers a new Vodafone Portugal direct-to-cell deal, Elon Musk's denial that SpaceX is bidding on Grain's spectrum, and an FCC filing hinting at an undisclosed ASTS-T-Mobile testing agreement now tied to the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture.

Kook's headline conclusion is that SpaceX's aggressive competitive posture has ironically strengthened ASTS's commercial moat with MNOs, and that Grain spectrum, Ligado approval, and a Japan J-LEO contract announcement are the near-term catalysts he is watching.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook hosted this AST SpaceMobile Podcast weekly recap solo on August 24, 2026; no other named host or guest appeared.
  • The White House signed a National Space Transportation Policy on August 20, 2026, which Kook frames as a generational government-driven tailwind for the satellite direct-to-cell industry, comparing it to past government-backed capital cycles like the US housing boom and China's commodity supercycle.
  • FCC Chairman Brendan Carr publicly responded to the policy, calling boosting the space economy a key pillar of the administration's 'Build America' agenda, and the policy text also references supporting ubiquitous satellite-enabled global broadband access.
  • Kook relayed commentary from an outside SpaceX expert-network (Tegus-style) call claiming SpaceX systemically dismissed ASTS as a serious competitor and did not prepare an adequate competitive response.
  • Per the same expert call, SpaceX was evaluated by Verizon, AT&T, and Vodafone but all three reportedly chose ASTS instead, citing ASTS's friendlier revenue-share approach versus SpaceX's demands for large upfront payments per subscriber.
  • Kook believes SpaceX's aggressive, competitive posture toward MNOs backfired by pushing carriers toward ASTS and creating consensus among MNOs (who also control spectrum standards) to favor ASTS over SpaceX.
  • Kook stated his strong belief that T-Mobile will eventually drop SpaceX/Starlink in favor of ASTS, though he says he has no idea when that might happen or what the stock reaction would be.
  • Vodafone announced a new deal with Satellite Connect Europe (the AST-Vodafone joint venture) to launch satellite mobile connections in Portugal; Kook noted the stock did not move on this news.
  • Bloomberg reported that SpaceX and AST SpaceMobile were seeking to buy Grain Management's spectrum, valued around $6 billion; Elon Musk publicly denied that SpaceX is pursuing this spectrum.
  • Kook laid out three possible outcomes for Grain's 7x7 MHz nationwide spectrum: SpaceX buying it for cash, ASTS buying it (which he doubts, since ASTS lacks $6 billion in spare cash and prefers upfront-payment-plus-revenue-share-plus-equity structures like its Ligado deal), or Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile leasing or acquiring it in conjunction with ASTS, which Kook views as most likely.
  • Kook said he expects the Grain spectrum situation to be settled within September 2026.
  • An FCC filing related to Grain's Special Temporary Authority initially included a clause requiring compliance with 'existing agreements between ASTS and T-Mobile,' which was later removed in a revised filing; Kook interprets this as evidence of a previously undisclosed ASTS-T-Mobile spectrum testing relationship now tied to the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture.
  • Kook noted AT&T COO Jeff McElfresh publicly congratulated ASTS on spectrum testing that nominally belongs to Grain/T-Mobile, which Kook reads as evidence the testing actually relates to spectrum the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture will control.
  • Goldman Sachs forecasts a $1.8 trillion space economy by 2035, which Kook cites as supporting the scale of the opportunity he sees in ASTS.
  • Kook compared ASTS favorably to Rocket Lab and Redwire, noting Redwire's roughly 5% gross margins in 2025 as evidence it is not a 'platform winner' the way he views ASTS.
  • Kook said he expects a satellite shipment announcement from AST SpaceMobile 'next week' (early September 2026).
  • Kook said a handshake agreement for Japan's J-LEO sovereign satellite contract has already occurred, with a formal announcement expected in roughly a month or two given Japan's slower deal timelines.

Detailed Discussion7 topics

White House National Space Transportation Policy

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:01:36

    The White House released the National Space Transportation Policy on August 20, 2026, which Kook frames as a seminal government opportunity to advance American launch capacity, arguing that all other satellite capabilities depend on having enough launch capacity to get satellites into orbit.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:01:36

    FCC Chairman Brendan Carr responded publicly that 'boosting the space economy is a key pillar of our Build America agenda,' and Kook notes the policy text also explicitly supports 'ubiquitous satellite-enabled communications for global broadband internet access,' not just launch capacity.

  • Kook Speculation 00:04:00

    Kook compares this policy moment to historical 'tooling phase' precedents where government action set the stage for a later capital cycle before the broad market noticed: Bill Clinton-era housing policy juicing Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac ahead of the housing boom, and China's entry into the WTO unleashing a commodity supercycle that oil and steel markets did not price in until years later (citing oil hitting roughly $148 around the SemGroup collapse in 2007-08).

  • Kook Speculation 00:07:05

    Kook argues that when the US government 'puts its thumb on the scale' with a directive like this, it tends to create undue flows of liquidity toward the favored sector, similar to how mortgage-rate policy prior to the 2008 financial crisis drove huge capital inflows into housing; he sees the current space policy as an analogous, deliberate distortion meant to accelerate US space/launch capacity.

SpaceX Expert Call: Competitive Dismissal and MNO Strategy Backfiring

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  • Kook Rumor 00:10:39

    Kook relayed commentary from an outside expert-network call (referred to as a 'Tigas'/Tegus-style call) in which the interviewee, described as very transparent, said SpaceX systemically dismissed ASTS as a competitor, believing AST would never achieve the manufacturing capability to build out its constellation.

  • Kook Rumor 00:13:02

    Per the same call, SpaceX was formally evaluated by Verizon, AT&T, and Vodafone as a potential D2D partner, but all reportedly chose ASTS instead; the call source is quoted as saying 'ASTS has a much more friendly approach in the revenue share models and seems to be more of a partner than a competitive threat,' compared to SpaceX which was seen as demanding large upfront payments and guaranteed payments per subscriber.

  • Kook Speculation 00:13:02

    Kook argues that SpaceX's overt statements (including from Gwynne Shotwell and Elon Musk on earnings calls) about going after MNO customers directly have made it harder for SpaceX to win MNO partnership agreements, since it is now seen as a competitive threat rather than a partner.

  • Kook Speculation 00:13:02

    Kook, citing Anpanman's public commentary, relayed the view that 'the best thing that ever happened to ASTS was SpaceX entering as a competitor,' because SpaceX's aggressive posture created urgency and consensus among MNOs to back ASTS instead.

  • Kook Speculation 00:17:51

    Kook states his strong belief that T-Mobile will eventually drop SpaceX/Starlink and move to ASTS as its satellite partner, explicitly saying he has no idea when this will happen or what the stock's reaction would be, though he hopes for a large single-day stock move when it does.

Vodafone Portugal Deal and Tooling-Phase Thesis

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:18:52

    Vodafone announced a 'pioneering agreement with Satellite Connect Europe to launch satellite mobile connections in Portugal,' adding another country to the AST-Vodafone European joint venture's footprint.

  • Kook Speculation 00:18:52

    Kook notes the ASTS stock did not move on the Vodafone Portugal announcement, framing this as typical of the current 'tooling phase' where positive commercial news is not yet reflected in the share price because the resulting revenue is not yet visible.

  • Kook Speculation 00:20:39

    Kook describes the current period as the 'tooling phase' — the wiring and hook-up work that will eventually drive large revenue generation but is not yet visible to generalist investors covering many stocks, comparing his search for this kind of conviction to a similar but ultimately unrealized 'spirit vision' he once had on Joby.

  • Kook Speculation 00:20:39

    Kook uses a news story about a French tourist who died in Death Valley due to lack of cell service as an example of the 'gray zone'/'not spot' coverage gap opportunity that AST SpaceMobile-enabled spectrum, including the Grain 7x7 MHz spectrum, could help solve nationwide.

Grain Spectrum, Ligado, and Gray Zone Coverage

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  • Kook Speculation 00:23:05

    Kook describes the Grain spectrum as a nationwide 7x7 MHz slug that he doesn't think ASTS strictly needs but views as a 'nice to have,' capable of providing ubiquitous gray-zone ('not spot') coverage nationwide when paired with ASTS's technology.

  • Kook Speculation 00:23:05

    Kook credits community researcher 'Justin Bar23' with tracking the Ligado FCC docket, which remains active; Kook calls Ligado 'telecom's Afghanistan' — a historically cursed asset that many well-resourced players have chased and failed to secure — but says he remains optimistic given the current administration's regulatory priorities.

  • Kook Rumor 00:24:23

    Bloomberg published an article claiming SpaceX and AST SpaceMobile were seeking to buy Grain's spectrum, valued around $6 billion; Elon Musk publicly denied SpaceX was pursuing the deal, calling it fake news.

  • Kook Speculation 00:24:23

    Kook argues the Grain spectrum would be unattractive to SpaceX because its satellites can't handle low-band spectrum, the price is high, and there is a risk of losing the spectrum if it is not 'lit up' by a deadline Kook believes is 2029 (stated with hedging, 'I believe').

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:10

    Kook lays out game theory around the Grain sale: Grain's bankers could leak false SpaceX interest to induce ASTS to bid against itself; SpaceX could buy it for cash given uncertainty over whether it would deploy the spectrum; ASTS could buy it but likely lacks the $6 billion in cash and would prefer a Ligado-style upfront-payment-plus-revenue-share-plus-equity structure; or Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile could lease/acquire it jointly with ASTS, which Kook views as the most likely and most economically sensible outcome given full US-market deployment certainty and public-interest benefits.

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:10

    Kook states the Grain spectrum situation appears to be aiming for resolution within September 2026.

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:10

    Kook frames a Grain-to-ASTS outcome as a proof point of what he calls the 'Catsy theorem' — his view that spectrum will ultimately flow to whichever operator can deploy it most efficiently, implying ASTS is the low-cost producer that spectrum will gravitate toward.

FCC Filing Clues on ASTS, T-Mobile, and AT&T

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:32:03

    Kook, again crediting Justin Bar23, described an FCC filing tied to Grain's spectrum Special Temporary Authority: an initial version included a clause requiring 'all operations under this grant of STA must comply with all existing agreements between ASTS and T-Mobile,' which was then removed in a revised filing.

  • Kook Speculation 00:32:03

    Kook offers two readings of the removed clause: it may have inadvertently revealed a non-public ASTS-T-Mobile contract, or it revealed a real prior testing agreement that became moot once the spectrum transaction with Grain closed and T-Mobile was no longer the relevant counterparty; either way, Kook concludes ASTS had been testing on this spectrum with T-Mobile.

  • Kook Speculation 00:32:03

    Kook notes AT&T COO Jeff McElfresh publicly congratulated ASTS on testing on the Grain-related spectrum, and argues McElfresh's interest only makes sense if that spectrum ultimately relates to the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture, reinforcing his view that the JV is built around ASTS's technology to the exclusion of SpaceX.

  • Kook Rumor 00:32:03

    Kook argues the same SpaceX expert call corroborated that the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture is partly a mechanism to prevent SpaceX from pressuring T-Mobile into an MVNO agreement, citing SpaceX's public FTC complaint about the JV shortly after its announcement as further evidence of this dynamic.

Goldman Sachs Forecast and Competitive Positioning

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:36:57

    Goldman Sachs forecasts a $1.8 trillion 'second space age' space economy by 2035, which Kook cites as evidence of the scale of the opportunity underlying his ASTS thesis.

  • Kook Speculation 00:36:57

    Kook says he remains confident in ASTS despite the stock languishing in the 70s, stating that whether the stock is ultimately worth $2,000, $1,000, or $500 doesn't change his conviction that the company is still in the early tooling phase of a platform shift.

  • Kook Speculation 00:41:02

    Kook compared ASTS to Rocket Lab and Redwire, criticizing an unnamed space investor's top-10 list; he singled out Redwire's roughly 5% gross margins in 2025 as evidence it is an engineered-services business without pricing power or platform economics, unlike ASTS which he sees as a platform winner with real existing revenue.

Crypto Tangent and Looking Ahead

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  • Kook Untagged 00:42:23

    Kook briefly discussed working on crypto investments at his firm, citing Hyperliquid as an example of a business with unusual characteristics he found compelling within the broader, often-dismissed crypto sector, drawing a parallel to how space and crypto are both easily dismissed by generalist investors.

  • Kook Speculation 00:43:26

    Kook said he expects a satellite shipment announcement from AST SpaceMobile 'next week' as August ends, and is hoping for progress on Grain spectrum and a Ligado approval in the near term.

  • Kook Speculation 00:43:26

    Kook said a handshake agreement for Japan's J-LEO sovereign satellite contract has already occurred and that he considers it as good as a signed contract, with the formal announcement expected in roughly a month or two given Japan's slower deal-announcement timelines.

Watch Items4

  • Expected satellite shipment announcement from AST SpaceMobile

    Next week (early September 2026) Kook 00:43:26
  • Resolution of the Grain Management 7x7 MHz spectrum sale/lease (SpaceX, ASTS, or the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture)

    Expected to be settled within September 2026 Kook 00:26:10
  • Ligado FCC spectrum docket approval

    Ongoing/active docket, no specific date given, hoped for soon Kook 00:23:05
  • Formal announcement of Japan's J-LEO sovereign satellite contract with Rakuten/ASTS

    Roughly a month or two from this episode Kook 00:43:26

Open Questions4

  • When will T-Mobile drop SpaceX/Starlink in favor of ASTS, and how will the stock react when it happens?

    Kook 00:17:51
  • Who will ultimately acquire or lease Grain's 7x7 MHz spectrum — SpaceX, ASTS directly, or the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture in conjunction with ASTS?

    Kook 00:26:10
  • What exactly was the ASTS-T-Mobile agreement referenced in an FCC filing clause that was later removed, and what does its removal signify about the current state of that relationship?

    Kook 00:32:03
  • When and in what form will the Japan J-LEO contract be formally announced, beyond the handshake agreement already reached?

    Kook 00:43:26
2026-08-22 8:30

AST SpaceMobile: AT&T COO's Bullish Grain Spectrum Post

Anpanman

This is a short solo update from Anpanman on the AST SpaceMobile Podcast, recorded late on a Friday night. He flags a LinkedIn post from AT&T Chief Operating Officer Jeff McElfresh that he says is one of the most bullish signals he has seen recently.

McElfresh publicly congratulated AST SpaceMobile on receiving an FCC Special Temporary Authority to test Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum, posting before a Bloomberg article on Grain's spectrum sale even hit the wires. Anpanman notes Grain's 800 MHz sits directly adjacent to AT&T and Verizon's 850 MHz holdings, potentially allowing a wider combined channel for satellite service.

He argues the post implies AT&T, and by extension the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile satellite joint venture, is coordinating with AST and Grain rather than competing for the spectrum. He contrasts this with Bloomberg's report that Grain is seeking $6 billion for the spectrum with AST or SpaceX as possible buyers, a claim Elon Musk denied.

Anpanman's headline takeaway is that the spectrum is likely destined for the carrier joint venture and AST, with a first round of buyer interest expected in early September and satellite shipping updates said to be imminent.

Key Takeaways

  • AT&T Chief Operating Officer Jeff McElfresh posted on LinkedIn congratulating AST SpaceMobile on receiving an FCC Special Temporary Authority (STA) to test Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum, and the post went up before a Bloomberg article on Grain's spectrum sale was published.
  • Anpanman says some Space Mob members initially misread McElfresh's post as referring to AST's older 850 MHz spectrum approval; he clarifies it actually refers to the new Grain Management 800 MHz STA.
  • Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum sits directly adjacent to AT&T's and Verizon's 850 MHz holdings on both the uplink and downlink sides, which Anpanman says could allow the bands to be combined into a wider channel for satellite-based connectivity.
  • Anpanman interprets McElfresh's post, including its reference to AT&T's satellite joint venture, as evidence that AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile are coordinating with AST SpaceMobile on the Grain spectrum rather than competing against it for ownership.
  • A Bloomberg report claimed Grain Management is seeking $6 billion for its spectrum, with AST SpaceMobile or SpaceX as potential buyers; Elon Musk publicly denied the report, though Anpanman is unsure how much of the denial to take at face value.
  • T-Mobile has economic upside tied to usage of Grain Management's spectrum, which Anpanman believes gives T-Mobile incentive to discourage Grain from selling the spectrum to SpaceX.
  • Anpanman expects the first round of buyer interest in Grain Management's spectrum process to be due around the first week of September 2026, roughly two weeks after this recording.
  • Anpanman says satellite shipping updates for AST SpaceMobile are expected imminently, possibly over the weekend following this recording, addressing community frustration that shipping updates have been slow to arrive.

Detailed Discussion4 topics

AT&T COO Jeff McElfresh's LinkedIn post

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:58

    Jeff McElfresh, AT&T's Chief Operating Officer, posted on LinkedIn the day before this recording, congratulating AST SpaceMobile on receiving an FCC Special Temporary Authority (STA) to test Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum; the post went up before the Bloomberg article on Grain's spectrum sale was published.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:58

    Anpanman says he initially missed the post and dismissed early mentions of it as people referencing an old McElfresh quote plus the Grain spectrum news, but on closer look realized it was new and highly bullish.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:00:58

    Some in Space Mob misread the post as congratulating AST on its long-ago 850 MHz spectrum approval; Anpanman clarifies that was not the case and the post specifically references the new Grain Management 800 MHz STA.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:58

    Anpanman notes Jeff McElfresh is intimately involved with and aware of AST SpaceMobile, and that AT&T CEO John Stankey defers to McElfresh on AST matters because McElfresh has the most detailed knowledge of the working relationship, including Ligado spectrum matters and testing happening with Grain Management.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:58

    Anpanman reads McElfresh's post in full: "One great musician doesn't make an orchestra. Similarly, connectivity doesn't need just one technology. It needs the right technologies working together in harmony. Last week marked another key milestone for AST SpaceMobile with the work underway to close America's connectivity gaps. Satellite-based internet service isn't a replacement for advanced fiber or 5G connectivity, but rather a complementary technology we'll use to bring AT&T customers the best possible connectivity experience wherever they go. The goal here is simple: help people stay connected in rural communities, remote areas, and other places that can't be reached with traditional wireless and fiber infrastructure."

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:58

    Anpanman calls the post bullish because it implies AT&T is supportive of AST working with Grain Management, and its reference to "industry collaboration" building on the joint venture implies AT&T's satellite joint venture is working closely with AST and Grain to deploy the spectrum for satellite services.

Grain's 800 MHz spectrum adjacency and joint venture implications

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:58

    Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum, on both the uplink and downlink sides, sits directly adjacent to ("buttresses") AT&T's and Verizon's 850 MHz spectrum, which could allow the bands to be combined into a wider channel to provide better satellite service.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:58

    Anpanman argues this adjacency, combined with McElfresh's post, suggests the big carriers are working with AST inside the joint venture, and that prior community speculation that the Grain spectrum would ultimately be used by or folded into the joint venture is now effectively confirmed by McElfresh choosing to make this public statement.

Bloomberg's $6 billion Grain spectrum report and T-Mobile's stake

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  • Anpanman Rumor 00:00:58

    A Bloomberg article reported that Grain Management is seeking $6 billion in a spectrum sale, and that AST SpaceMobile or SpaceX were potentially interested buyers.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:58

    Elon Musk denied the Bloomberg report, though Anpanman says it's unclear whether to take his denial fully at face value or whether only certain parts of the report were being denied.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:58

    Anpanman's key takeaway is that AT&T and the joint venture are likely to end up with the spectrum in some form and that AST will be the one lighting it up, effectively negating the premise that SpaceX would acquire it.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:58

    T-Mobile has some economic upside tied to usage of Grain Management's spectrum; Anpanman assumes T-Mobile is likely leaning on Grain not to sell the spectrum to SpaceX, since a friendly sale to Grain being later used against the carriers by SpaceX would be counterproductive for T-Mobile.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:58

    Anpanman says the first round of buyer interest in Grain's spectrum process is supposed to be due the first week of September, approximately two weeks after this recording, and expects news to emerge around that process; he notes that if things stay quiet, that's likely a good sign since AST's side typically does not leak information.

Shipping update and closing thoughts

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:58

    Anpanman acknowledges Space Mob has been frustrated that satellite shipping updates haven't come soon enough, but says he believes shipping is truly imminent and expects an update, possibly over the coming weekend.

Watch Items2

  • First round of buyer interest in Grain Management's spectrum sale process

    First week of September (approximately 2 weeks from this recording) Anpanman 00:00:58
  • Next AST SpaceMobile satellite shipping update

    Imminent, possibly over the weekend following this recording Anpanman 00:00:58

Open Questions2

  • Whether Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum will ultimately be sold to a third party like SpaceX, folded into the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture, or otherwise made available for AST SpaceMobile's use.

    Anpanman 00:00:58
  • How much of Elon Musk's denial of the Bloomberg report (that Grain is seeking $6 billion with AST or SpaceX as potential buyers) should be taken at face value.

    Anpanman 00:00:58
2026-08-21 48:32

AST SpaceMobile - The $6 Billion Spectrum War With SpaceX

Anpanman

This solo AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode features Anpanman, who unpacks a Bloomberg report claiming SpaceX and AST SpaceMobile are both circling Grain Management's 800 MHz low-band spectrum, valued at roughly $6 billion.

Anpanman explains Grain acquired the spectrum from T-Mobile via a swap plus roughly $2 billion cash, and FCC rules let Grain deploy it by satellite instead of building an expensive terrestrial network. AST is the only satellite operator using cellular low-band spectrum, and Grain must pick a direct-to-cell partner by November 5, 2026 or face a costly terrestrial build-out, per Anpanman.

Anpanman speculates AST would likely pursue a Ligado-style cash-plus-revenue-share licensing deal rather than an outright purchase, while SpaceX could outbid anyone but risks foreclosing MVNO talks with carriers. He suspects Grain's bankers leaked the Bloomberg story to inflate competitive tension ahead of a September bid deadline.

Anpanman concludes AST is unlikely to overpay, viewing the spectrum as a nice-to-have rather than a must-have, and expects a carrier-backed structure to keep it out of SpaceX's hands.

Key Takeaways

  • Grain Management acquired 800 MHz low-band spectrum (7 MHz by 7 MHz uplink/downlink in most markets) from T-Mobile in a swap that gave T-Mobile Grain's 600 MHz licenses plus roughly $2 billion cash, according to Anpanman.
  • The FCC approved the T-Mobile-to-Grain 800 MHz spectrum sale around the end of June 2026, and AST SpaceMobile filed a letter supporting the deal, revealing it was already testing satellite connectivity over the spectrum with its Block 1 and Block 2 satellites.
  • A Bloomberg report claimed SpaceX and AST SpaceMobile are both seeking to acquire Grain Management's spectrum, valued at roughly $6 billion, though Anpanman treats this as an unverified, banker-driven leak rather than confirmed fact.
  • Grain faces an FCC-mandated timeline: select a financial advisor and begin its process by August 7, 2026 (already passed), collect preliminary bids in the first week of September 2026, select a direct-to-device satellite partner by November 5, 2026, and file a fully supported FCC application by December 4, 2026.
  • If Grain fails to secure a satellite partner, it must build an expensive terrestrial network instead, which Anpanman says could cost billions of dollars, citing Charlie Ergen's roughly $8 billion failed AWS-3/AWS-4 terrestrial build-out as a cautionary precedent.
  • Anpanman says AST is the only satellite operator using cellular spectrum in the roughly 600-900 MHz low-band range, distinguishing it from SpaceX (mid-band, roughly 1.8-2.5 GHz) and Globalstar/Iridium (L-band/S-band).
  • Anpanman speculates AST would likely structure a deal with Grain similar to its Ligado spectrum agreement: modest cash upfront plus a long-term lease of 50-80 years and a revenue share he guesses at 20-40%, rather than an outright purchase.
  • Elon Musk publicly denied the Bloomberg report, but Anpanman argues the denial may apply only to specific claims, such as an outright purchase, rather than ruling out SpaceX's interest in licensing the spectrum entirely.
  • Anpanman notes that if SpaceX buys the spectrum outright, it would likely foreclose the possibility of an MVNO agreement with AT&T, Verizon, or T-Mobile, since it would signal SpaceX is fully committed to competing directly as a wireless carrier.
  • Anpanman says spectrum-screening rules mean AT&T cannot bid on the Grain spectrum because it already holds too much spectrum, Verizon faces similar constraints, and T-Mobile just divested its own spectrum in the swap.
  • Anpanman speculates the joint venture reportedly being formed by AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile could add a fourth player, potentially Grain itself, Comcast, Charter/Spectrum, or regional carrier Spire, to help hold or fund the spectrum.
  • Anpanman suggests AST's recent convertible note raise may have been partly intended to build cash reserves for a potential upfront payment in a Grain spectrum deal, though he frames this explicitly as speculation.
  • Anpanman says AST would not play 'chicken' with Grain by threatening to walk away, viewing the spectrum as a nice-to-have rather than a must-have, similar to how he believes AST didn't chase escalating bids in the Iridium sale process.

Detailed Discussion14 topics

Grain-T-Mobile spectrum swap background

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:15

    Grain Management owned 600 MHz licenses and, in a swap with T-Mobile, gave those licenses to T-Mobile along with cash Anpanman estimates at about $2 billion; in return Grain received valuable 800 MHz spectrum, generally 7 MHz by 7 MHz of uplink and downlink in most markets.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:15

    Low-band spectrum (600-900 MHz) is the 'prime real estate' for mobile coverage because it penetrates walls and provides propagation indoors, in cars, and underground, whereas mid-band adds capacity and high-band adds even more capacity.

FCC approval and AST's low-band position

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:23

    The FCC approved the sale of the 800 MHz spectrum from T-Mobile to Grain Management around the end of June 2026 (approximate); before that decision, AST SpaceMobile filed a letter supporting the transaction, revealing AST was already working closely with Grain to test satellite connectivity over that spectrum using its Block 1 and Block 2 satellites.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:23

    As part of the FCC approval process, Grain stated it could deploy the spectrum over AST's constellation instead of building a terrestrial network.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:24

    AST is the only satellite provider using cellular low-band spectrum (roughly 600-900 MHz); SpaceX's direct-to-cell satellites focus on mid-band (currently around 1.9 GHz, with a next generation Anpanman speculates could span roughly 1.8-2.5 GHz), while Globalstar and Iridium operate in L-band and S-band and cannot use cellular spectrum today.

The Bloomberg $6 billion report

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  • Anpanman Rumor 00:03:21

    A Bloomberg article headlined 'SpaceX, AST said seeking to buy spectrum valued at $6 billion' claims both SpaceX and AST are among companies that have expressed interest in acquiring Grain Management's spectrum, citing unnamed people familiar with the discussions; Anpanman says this surprised him since he didn't think Grain was looking to sell.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:03:21

    The article states Grain has asked interested parties to submit preliminary offers by the first week of September, hopes to reap about $6 billion from selling the licenses, and notes the plan could also involve leasing capacity or another bidder emerging.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:03:21

    Anpanman notes that when the story first published, Bloomberg had not tagged AST's stock ticker on the article, so it didn't appear under AST's news feed until the story was revised with Elon Musk's quote; he cites this as evidence of how little market awareness there is of AST SpaceMobile.

FCC build-out requirements and the Charlie Ergen precedent

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:04:31

    Under the FCC framework, Grain can meet its spectrum build-out requirement by deploying via satellite rather than building an expensive terrestrial network requiring leased tower space from companies like American Tower or Crown Castle; Anpanman states (with some uncertainty in the exact figure) the requirement is to cover roughly 70% to 90% of the population within 3 years.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:05:47

    Charlie Ergen previously committed to the FCC to build a terrestrial broadband network after acquiring AWS-3/AWS-4 spectrum, spent billions of dollars (Anpanman cites roughly $8 billion) attempting to compete with AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile, and failed because it was too expensive and he lacked sufficient low-band spectrum; the FCC ultimately forced a sale, and the spectrum went to SpaceX after Echostar/Dish ran into trouble.

Grain's regulatory timeline

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:08:03

    Grain had to select a financial advisor by August 7, 2026 to administer the satellite/direct-to-device partner selection process and formally initiate a competitive bid solicitation; as of the August 20-21 recording, that step has passed.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:08:03

    Rounds of interest/preliminary bids are due the first week of September 2026; Grain must complete the competitive process and notify the FCC of the selected partner by November 5, 2026; and the selected parties must file a fully supported satellite application with the FCC by December 4, 2026.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:03

    If Grain does not secure a satellite partner by the deadline, it would be on the hook for a multi-billion-dollar, multi-year terrestrial build-out instead, giving Grain an incentive not to overplay its hand in negotiations.

Why bankers leak stories

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:53

    Anpanman believes Grain's bankers leaked the Bloomberg story to Bloomberg to increase competitive tension between AST and SpaceX during confidential negotiations, since parties typically sign confidentiality agreements but leaks let information circulate while providing plausible deniability.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:53

    Anpanman compares this to Jay Monroe of Globalstar previously floating a $10 billion number in early Bloomberg articles to drive up bidding, which he says ultimately helped push Amazon to pay up in the Globalstar acquisition.

SpaceX's strategic calculus

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:34

    SpaceX can outbid anyone for the spectrum given its scale and access to capital, and would face no antitrust issue, but would need to build an entirely new satellite platform with a much larger phased array to use low-band spectrum, distinct from its existing V2 direct-to-cell and V3 fixed-wireless satellites and its orbital data center plans.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:34

    Anpanman is uncertain SpaceX could develop and deploy this new satellite architecture and meet the 3-year build-out requirement, given competing priorities across its other satellite programs.

  • Another Smith (audience) Speculation 00:32:05

    If SpaceX wants the spectrum, it would likely have to pay cash outright rather than lease it, because Grain would carry execution risk if SpaceX fails to build out a satellite in time; Anpanman agreed this is a good point given the roughly 1.5-2 year satellite development timeline SpaceX would need.

MVNO carrot-and-stick dynamic

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:16:47

    SpaceX has reportedly signaled to carriers (citing a Wells Fargo research note referencing Brett Johnson) that it wants an MVNO agreement, while publicly threatening to compete directly if carriers don't cooperate; buying the Grain spectrum outright would foreclose the MVNO path by signaling SpaceX is fully committed to becoming a competing MNO.

Possible AST deal structure

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:56

    Anpanman speculates AST would likely offer Grain a Ligado-style deal: cash upfront to lock in exclusivity, a multi-year long-term lease, and a revenue share he guesses (explicitly as a spitball) could be 20-40% of revenue generated from the spectrum, rather than an outright purchase.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:56

    Anpanman notes AST recently hired a UBS vice chair as a strategic advisor and suggests the timing fits with structuring a potential Grain deal.

Building a real business vs. quick cash

1
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:49

    Anpanman contrasts a $6 billion cash sale to SpaceX, which he calls an 'okay' but not a home-run return for Grain, against building a business with AST that generates steady cash flows over many years, which he speculates (as a rough guess) could be valued at $10-13 billion depending on annual revenue and multiple.

Joint venture and a possible fourth player

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:04

    Anpanman speculates the reported AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture's mentioned 'third and fourth player' opening could include Grain itself as a new entity contributing its 800 MHz spectrum, with AST contributing satellites and the carriers paying for capacity.

  • Anpanman (Q&A) Speculation 00:32:05

    Asked who the fourth JV player could be, Anpanman speculated it could be Comcast, Charter/Spectrum (cable companies), regional carrier Spire, or Grain itself becoming part of a 'super wholesaler' structure.

Countering SpaceX with a carrier-backed JV

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:56

    If SpaceX bids around $6 billion, AST alone likely couldn't win a pure cash bidding war, but AST could offer a mix of roughly $1 billion cash plus stock, making Grain a large AST shareholder; alternatively, AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile could each fund a joint venture with several billion dollars to bid for the spectrum outright, with AST contributing satellites.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:56

    Anpanman calls a four-party JV structure 'messy' and not the most elegant solution given the difficulty of getting four parties to agree quickly.

Antitrust and spectrum screening constraints

1
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:56

    Anpanman says AT&T cannot buy this spectrum outright because it would run afoul of FCC spectrum-screening rules from already owning too much low-band spectrum; Verizon could possibly bid but faces similar constraints; T-Mobile just divested its 600 MHz spectrum in the original swap.

Audience Q&A

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:41

    Asked whether AST should 'play chicken' and tell Grain it is walking away, Anpanman said no, framing the spectrum as a nice-to-have rather than a need-to-have, and drawing a parallel to the Iridium sale process where he believes a bidder (possibly AST) stopped bidding once the price exceeded its threshold.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:36:39

    Asked how a banker leak actually happens with confidentiality agreements in place, Anpanman explained that bankers can selectively disclose bidder names and figures to reporters to pressure other bidders, while maintaining plausible deniability with the parties that signed confidentiality agreements.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:36:39

    Anpanman noted Bloomberg's sourcing language ('people familiar with the discussions') suggests the leak came from advisors/bankers rather than company principals, and said Bloomberg and Wall Street Journal reporting is generally reliable even though sourced secondhand.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:41

    Asked what AST's recent convertible note offering was for, Anpanman speculated it was partly intended to boost cash reserves in case AST needs to make a large upfront payment (hundreds of millions to a billion dollars) as part of a Grain spectrum deal.

Watch Items3

  • Grain Management collects preliminary bids/indications of interest for its 800 MHz spectrum from prospective satellite partners including AST and SpaceX

    first week of September 2026 Anpanman 00:08:03
  • Grain Management must complete its competitive process, select a direct-to-device satellite partner, and notify the FCC of the outcome

    November 5, 2026 Anpanman 00:08:03
  • Grain Management and its selected partner must file a fully supported satellite application with the FCC covering build-out plans

    December 4, 2026 Anpanman 00:08:03

Open Questions5

  • Will Grain structure the spectrum deal as an outright cash sale to SpaceX or a Ligado-style long-term licensing/revenue-share agreement with AST?

    Anpanman 00:20:56
  • Does Elon Musk's public denial of the Bloomberg report apply to the entire story, or only to specific claims such as an outright spectrum purchase?

    Anpanman 00:13:34
  • Will AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile fund a joint bidding vehicle, and who would be the fourth player in a resulting joint venture: Grain, Comcast, Charter/Spectrum, or Spire?

    Anpanman 00:26:04
  • Can SpaceX actually design, build, and deploy a new low-band-capable satellite platform in time to meet Grain's 3-year FCC build-out requirement if it wins the spectrum?

    Anpanman 00:13:34
  • Would AST overpay for the spectrum, and at what price point would AST be willing to walk away rather than pay a use-it-or-lose-it cash demand?

    Anpanman 00:41:41
2026-08-19 33:40

AST SpaceMobile: T-Mobile Deal Coming Next

Anpanman

This is a solo X Spaces episode hosted by Anpanman, one of the two recurring AST SpaceMobile podcast hosts. He addresses recent ASTS stock volatility and argues an eventual T-Mobile agreement could be the next major catalyst.

Anpanman notes ASTS has essentially chopped between a July 29 closing low of $53 and highs near $73 since June, despite continued execution including two recent satellite launch batches. He contrasts the muted reaction with Moderna's huge single-day rally, and recalls ASTS's own run from roughly $5 to $39 after the 2024 AT&T and Verizon deals.

He points to FCC filings referencing Grain Management 800 MHz spectrum testing as evidence T-Mobile talks are progressing, and explains that the new AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile joint venture pools resources without breaking AST's exclusive commercial agreements. He also argues Wall Street analysts like Goldman Sachs favor covering Starlink and Amazon over AST because those banks have commercial relationships with SpaceX and Amazon, not AST.

Anpanman closes on a bullish macro note, citing China's advancing space program, Golden Dome-related government spending, and speculation about possible US government equity stakes in strategic space companies, while reiterating he remains fully bullish on ASTS despite the drawdown.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile's stock ($ASTS) has essentially traded flat since June 2026, chopping between a July 29 closing low of $53 and highs near $73, despite continued company execution.
  • Host Anpanman believes an eventual T-Mobile agreement with AST SpaceMobile is coming, citing FCC filings tied to Grain Management 800 MHz spectrum testing that reference existing AST-T-Mobile agreements.
  • Anpanman notes an FCC Special Temporary Authority filing initially referenced conditions tied to T-Mobile agreements, which were redacted or removed in a follow-up filing, which he speculates (without confirmation) may indicate the company didn't want that detail disclosed yet.
  • The new AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile joint venture pools spectrum and infrastructure resources across the carriers but does not break AST SpaceMobile's existing exclusive commercial agreements with AT&T and Verizon, according to Anpanman.
  • AT&T originally had mutual exclusivity with AST SpaceMobile but gave it up to bring in Verizon in 2024, a move Anpanman attributes to AT&T CEO John Stankey recognizing the competitive threat from Starlink.
  • Anpanman argues Wall Street analysts, including Goldman Sachs, give more coverage to Starlink and Amazon's direct-to-cell ambitions than to AST SpaceMobile because those banks have commercial relationships with SpaceX and Amazon, not AST.
  • Anpanman says AST SpaceMobile deliberately avoids promoting still-unfinalized initiatives like the Japan JLEO joint venture, Grain Management testing, or T-Mobile talks, and points listeners to the full Q2 2026 earnings call transcript as already containing most disclosed detail.
  • Anpanman acknowledges a real risk that T-Mobile could instead grant Starlink an MVNO relationship rather than partnering with AST SpaceMobile, though he believes this is not the direction talks are heading.
  • Anpanman speculates the US government could eventually take passive equity stakes in space companies deemed critical to national security, similar to precedents with MP Materials and Intel, potentially including AST SpaceMobile or Rocket Lab.
  • Anpanman cites China Landspace becoming the second Chinese launch provider to land a reusable first-stage orbital rocket booster as evidence of an accelerating international space race with military implications.

Detailed Discussion10 topics

ASTS Stock Volatility and Investor Sentiment

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:28

    ASTS has essentially chopped/traded flat since June 2026: the stock hit $65 back in June, fell to a closing low of $53 on July 29, and was around $66.50 at the time of this recording, despite continued company execution.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:00

    He describes a Twitter account that predicted the stock would hit $85 when it was in the low $70s, then, at an intraday low of about $64 the same week, tweeted asking Elon Musk to buy the company out for $100 billion.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:38

    He argues that if an investor has no trust in a company's management and board execution, they should simply sell the stock rather than stay invested and complain.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:28

    AST has now launched two batches of satellites, with another batch coming soon; launches are temporarily paused industry-wide because of an upcoming crewed Falcon 9 mission that has priority on the pad.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:00

    He recounts his wife asking why the stock had fallen to $65 from a prior $130; he reassured her he remains comfortable because he believes a T-Mobile deal is coming, similar to how the stock more than tripled after the Verizon deal.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:38

    He says he has been personally bullish on the company for six years and views the current volatility and drawdown, including a day where his own portfolio was down $2 million, as normal investing rather than a sign of company problems.

Moderna Comparison and ASTS's Own History of Explosive Moves

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:03:05

    He compares the muted ASTS reaction to Moderna's stock reportedly rising from a $63 close to $172 the same day; his own on-air figures wavered between describing this as a $108-$111 gain and a 111%-177% move, reflecting some confusion in the moment rather than a single confirmed number.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:03:05

    He recalls ASTS's own comparable historic move: in May 2024, after AST signed a definitive commercial agreement with AT&T and brought on Verizon as a strategic investor and partner (a $100 million investment comprising a $35 million convertible-note investment and a $65 million prepayment), the stock re-rated from roughly $5, reaching about $12 and eventually $39 or so over the following weeks.

T-Mobile Deal Speculation and Grain Management Filing

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:09

    He says he's confident T-Mobile talks are progressing well, pointing to FCC filings on Grain Management 800 MHz spectrum testing that reference existing agreements between AST SpaceMobile and T-Mobile.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:09

    He notes the original FCC Special Temporary Authority filing had redactions referencing T-Mobile agreement conditions, which were removed in a follow-up filing; he speculates, without confirmation, that AST's attorneys may have had it removed because it wasn't meant to be publicly disclosed yet.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:09

    He expects an initial MOU with T-Mobile outlining terms, followed eventually by a definitive agreement, similar to the pattern with AT&T and Verizon, and says AT&T has already 'blessed' or acquiesced to AST working with T-Mobile.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:07:09

    As precedent, he notes that when Verizon's investment/partnership with AST was first announced, the stock rallied 69% that day per a CNBC headline he referenced, and continued rising afterward.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:09

    He speculates (explicitly using a made-up example number) that if T-Mobile is announced and, say, its own stock rallied to $100 that day, the AST-T-Mobile relationship would become impossible for Wall Street to ignore.

AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile Joint Venture Dynamics

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:02

    He addresses a bear-case concern that the AT&T/Verizon/(eventually T-Mobile) joint venture could act as a buying cartel that pressures AST SpaceMobile economically or displaces it in favor of other satellite providers like Amazon.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:02

    He rebuts that concern, explaining the joint venture pools spectrum and infrastructure resources to ease deployment across the MNOs, while AST's exclusive agreements with AT&T and Verizon individually remain in place and survive the joint venture.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:08:02

    He recaps that AT&T originally had mutual exclusivity with AST SpaceMobile, but gave it up to bring in Verizon because AT&T CEO John Stankey recognized both a broader service vision and the competitive threat from Starlink.

Wall Street Coverage Bias Toward Starlink and Amazon

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:33

    He says a Goldman Sachs research report published the day before the episode discussed Starlink and Amazon's direct-to-cell ambitions but did not cover AST SpaceMobile, and claims to personally know one of the report's authors.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:33

    He argues Goldman gives Starlink and Amazon more coverage because Goldman has commercial banking relationships with SpaceX and Amazon, while AST is not currently banked by Goldman, though he expects that to change in coming quarters.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:21:26

    He notes the Goldman report's direct-to-cell growth thesis extended beyond phones to connectivity for autonomous drones, robots, and vehicles, framing connectivity as an emerging bottleneck alongside AI compute and memory.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:33

    He predicts a future headline, expected in roughly the next two to three quarters, about AST getting a 10x10 MHz S-band spectrum allocation in Europe via Satellite Connect Europe, which he expects will force wider Street recognition of the AST story.

Macro Backdrop and Sector Rotation

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  • Anpanman Rumor 00:17:36

    He attributes part of the day's space-sector weakness to a factor rotation into biotech/healthcare driven by Moderna's rally, plus a reported doubling of Treasury Secretary Bessent's long-end Treasury bond buying program (from roughly $2 billion to $4 billion), which he frames as a possible precursor to yield curve control and quantitative easing.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:36

    He notes crypto rallied strongly the same day and argues a crypto risk-on bid is typically a good signal for other growth/momentum sectors including space; he references his own earlier tweet speculating on a possible Bitcoin bottom around October.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:15:33

    He counters claims that ASTS underperformed other space stocks that day by citing same-day moves: AST down 1%, Planet Labs down 3%, Redwire down 4%, Intuitive Machines down 4%, BlackSky down 3.6%, Rocket Lab down 4%, and SpaceX down 2.6%.

China's Space Race, Earth Observation, and Golden Dome

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:19:07

    China Landspace became the second Chinese launch provider to successfully land a first-stage orbital-class rocket booster, which he frames as evidence China is rapidly closing the reusability gap with the US.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:21:26

    He argues the Iran conflict proved earth observation is now militarily critical rather than a niche capability, claiming Iran leveraged Chinese or Russian earth observation to enable cheap drones to strike multi-billion-dollar US military assets.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:26

    He references continued massive US government space spending, including a Golden Dome budget he recalls (with some uncertainty, saying 'I think') as approved at roughly $70-something billion, as a durable tailwind independent of near-term stock price moves.

Possible US Government Equity Stakes in Space Companies

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:51

    He speculates that, given China's rapid space advancement, the US government may eventually take passive equity stakes in space companies viewed as critical to national security, similar to precedents with MP Materials and Intel, purely as financial support without board seats.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:51

    He names AST SpaceMobile and Rocket Lab as examples of companies that could potentially receive such a stake as an alternative counterweight to SpaceX.

Why AST Isn't Hyping PR Yet

3
  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:28:44

    He explains that initiatives like the Japan JLEO joint venture, Grain Management testing, and T-Mobile talks are 'not ripe yet' and still being negotiated, so the company hasn't formally PR'd them, though it has acknowledged being in negotiations during the convertible note offering and the most recent Q2 2026 earnings call.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:28:44

    He recommends listeners read the full Q2 2026 earnings call transcript word-for-word, arguing it already discloses far more than critics on Twitter claim is being withheld.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:11

    He suggests the company keeps sensitive strategic talks like the T-Mobile relationship deliberately under wraps for competitive reasons, given the existing SpaceX/Starlink T-Satellite exclusivity relationship with T-Mobile.

T-Mobile / Starlink MVNO Risk

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:11

    He acknowledges a real risk that T-Mobile could instead grant Starlink an MVNO (mobile virtual network operator) relationship rather than partnering with AST, which he frames as bad for the wireless industry generally but says would paradoxically deepen AT&T and Verizon's strategic reliance on AST as a counter to Starlink.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:11

    He states his belief that this MVNO scenario is not the direction things are heading, and that T-Mobile will ultimately work with AST alongside AT&T and Verizon.

Watch Items4

  • T-Mobile agreement with AST SpaceMobile (expected initial MOU followed by a definitive agreement)

    Not dated; Anpanman says talks are ongoing and 'going well,' with AT&T's blessing already given Anpanman 00:07:09
  • Japan JLEO joint venture formalization/finalization

    Currently being negotiated; formal announcement expected once finalized, no date given Anpanman 00:28:44
  • Satellite Connect Europe securing a 10x10 MHz S-band spectrum allocation in Europe

    Expected headline in roughly the next 2 to 3 quarters Anpanman 00:10:33
  • Next batch of satellite launches

    Coming soon, once the currently-scheduled crewed Falcon 9 mission clears the launch pad Anpanman 00:01:28

Open Questions3

  • Will AST SpaceMobile actually reach a definitive T-Mobile agreement, and when will it be announced?

    Anpanman 00:07:09
  • Could T-Mobile instead grant Starlink an MVNO relationship rather than partnering with AST SpaceMobile?

    Anpanman 00:30:11
  • Will the US government take passive equity stakes in space companies like AST SpaceMobile or Rocket Lab, similar to its precedent with MP Materials and Intel?

    Anpanman 00:23:51
2026-08-18 53:30

Why AST SpaceMobile's Grain Spectrum Deal Is Huge

Anpanman

This is a solo AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode hosted by Anpanman, published August 18, 2026. He opens with a personal story about losing Verizon cell and data coverage during a family trip near Rhinebeck, New York, using it to frame why AST's satellite broadband mission matters.

He covers two major news items from the prior week: former AT&T network president and AST board member Chris Sambar officially joining T-Mobile as Chief Enterprise Officer, and the FCC granting AST a Special Temporary Authority to test on Grain Management's nationwide 800 MHz spectrum. He also details AST's hire of veteran investment banker Ozzy Ramos as a strategic advisor.

Anpanman then walks through a broader industry pattern he calls the legacy direct-to-device playbook, where spectrum holders like Ligado, EchoStar, Globalstar, and Iridium initially dismissed the technology before pivoting to paper constellations and eventually selling or partnering. He also discusses the SES-Omnispace-Lynk merger and a potential future Viasat-AST partnership over international L-band spectrum.

Anpanman's headline conclusion is that AST is quietly building deeper ties across all major US carriers, including T-Mobile, while adding senior dealmaking talent, positioning the company for major catalysts he expects the market has not yet priced in.

Key Takeaways

  • Chris Sambar, the former AT&T president of network and a former AST SpaceMobile board member, has officially started at T-Mobile as Chief Enterprise Officer, a move Anpanman says strengthens the odds of AST eventually working with T-Mobile given Sambar's deep knowledge of AST and personal friendship with CEO Abel Avellan.
  • The FCC granted AST SpaceMobile a Special Temporary Authority to test on Grain Management's nationwide 7x7 MHz of 800 MHz spectrum, which Grain must deploy via satellite or terrestrial buildout to meet FCC requirements, and the STA's terms require testing to comply with an existing AST-T-Mobile agreement.
  • AST SpaceMobile hired Ozzy Ramos, a veteran investment banker who was vice chair of banking at Barclays and vice chair of investment banking at UBS covering telecom, cable, and satellite deals including the Viasat-Inmarsat transaction, as a strategic advisor for potential M&A, joint ventures, and spectrum deals.
  • Anpanman argues legacy satellite spectrum holders Ligado, EchoStar, Globalstar, and Iridium initially dismissed direct-to-device technology as a niche market, then pivoted to announcing their own 'paper constellations' once AST and Starlink proved the market, ultimately being acquired by or partnering with the disruptors rather than building competing networks themselves.
  • SES's investment in the newly merged Omnispace and Lynk Global closed, with SES receiving equity and preferred stock, but Anpanman is skeptical the combined entity can become a credible global direct-to-device competitor given Lynk's limited satellite capability and inability to raise capital historically.
  • Anpanman identifies Viasat's international L-band spectrum, outside the US and Canada where AST already controls the most valuable L-band via its Ligado deal, as a potential future partnership opportunity for AST, since Viasat cannot easily monetize that spectrum without US market access.
  • AST SpaceMobile's institutional ownership rose from 37% at the end of 2025 to 52.6% as of this episode, which Anpanman views as room for continued upside since well-owned peer companies typically see 80-90% institutional ownership.
  • Anpanman says BlueBirds 14 through 16 are in final testing stages and should ship soon for a Falcon 9 launch, though he stresses a September 2026 launch timing is his own guess, not company-confirmed.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

Losing Cell Coverage in the Berkshires

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:56

    While on a family trip to the Berkshires, Anpanman lost cell and data coverage after an air show at the Rhinebeck Aerodrome; he had one bar of Verizon signal but no data, forcing him to drive blindly for roughly 30-40 extra minutes before regaining signal to use Waze/Google Maps for directions.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:03:00

    He used the anecdote to frame the broader need for satellite broadband data coverage, not just texting, so that navigation apps work in dead zones — the core use case AST SpaceMobile is targeting.

Chris Sambar Joins T-Mobile

2
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:03:38

    Chris Sambar, former head of network and president at AT&T, officially joined T-Mobile last week as Chief Enterprise Officer. Sambar was previously an AST SpaceMobile board member and sat on its Network Planning and Spectrum Committee; he was the key decision-maker who chose AT&T's original partnership with AST and reportedly called CEO Abel Avellan 'one of the greatest inventors of modern times.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:30

    Anpanman says discussions between AST and T-Mobile have reportedly been going well, and having someone at T-Mobile with intimate knowledge of AST's product and roadmap, and warm relations with Avellan and President Scott Wisniewski, should help solidify an eventual relationship.

FCC Grants STA for Grain Management's 800 MHz Spectrum

7
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:05:33

    On Thursday last week, the FCC granted AST SpaceMobile a Special Temporary Authority (STA) to test on Grain Management's spectrum: 7 MHz by 7 MHz of nationwide 800 MHz low-band cellular spectrum, distinct from the FirstNet (~700 MHz) and AT&T/Verizon (850 MHz) spectrum AST already uses, because this Grain spectrum is largely unused nationwide rather than already deployed by carriers in covered areas.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:30

    Spitballing on deployment: the spectrum could be folded into the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile telco joint venture with Grain getting economics while AST lights it up to augment carrier coverage, or Grain could build a dedicated IoT network using AST that carriers could also tap.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:08:30

    Grain has FCC build-out requirements it must meet to keep the spectrum: within 3 years, over 100 kilobits/sec per MHz (roughly 700 kbps on 7 MHz) across 70% of time and 90% of the coverage area; within 5 years, that doubles to 200 kbps/MHz (about 1.4 Mbps on 7 MHz) across 80% of time and 90% of area; within 10 years, 300 [kbps or possibly Mbps, garbled]/MHz (about 2.1 Mbps on 7 MHz) across 90% of time and area. Anpanman says AST can easily meet these thresholds.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:09:30

    If Grain fails to meet its build-out milestones, the FCC can take the spectrum back, giving Grain strong economic incentive to deploy it quickly, which Anpanman says is why Grain chose to work with AST before even closing its purchase of the spectrum from T-Mobile.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:10:30

    Sequence of events: the FCC approved Grain's purchase of the spectrum from T-Mobile around July 1, with AST filing a letter of support explicitly noting the two companies were working together; AST then filed for an STA on July 2; the Grain-T-Mobile deal closed last week, and the FCC granted AST's STA to test on the spectrum that Thursday.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:12:00

    The granted STA text requires that testing comply with existing agreements between AST and T-Mobile, which Anpanman interprets as confirmation of some direct contractual or technical relationship between AST and T-Mobile regarding the spectrum, though not necessarily a commercial agreement.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:00

    Grain must choose a direct-to-device satellite operator by around November 2026 (he says 'November or maybe end of November'); Anpanman expects that to be AST, noting no STAs have surfaced showing Grain testing with anyone else, though Lynk Global is a theoretical low-band-capable alternative.

T-Mobile and Starlink Relationship Tensions

4
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:15:52

    He points to T-Mobile CFO Peter Osvaldik's comments at the Evercore TMT conference around June 2, 2026 as an early crack in the T-Mobile/Starlink relationship: Osvaldik displayed unusually detailed technical knowledge of Starlink's orbital mechanics and RF limitations and described the service in a notably negative light, calling it limited and saying it would never replace terrestrial coverage, a contrast to T-Mobile's normally positive public framing of Starlink.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:17:00

    T-Mobile confirmed on its last earnings call that its Starlink exclusivity extends beyond 2026, but Anpanman notes Starlink currently only operates on T-Mobile's 5x5 MHz, 1.9 GHz G-block mid-band spectrum in the US, and that EchoStar spectrum won't be in Starlink's hands until late 2027 with device adoption not until 2028.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:17:45

    SpaceX's IPO prospectus reportedly states its MNO partner agreements are multi-year but can be terminated unilaterally at any time by either party, which Anpanman cites as evidence exclusivity terms are more flexible than assumed.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:30

    Spitballing: he thinks there's a good possibility AST and T-Mobile will have some type of agreement in place before year-end 2026, likely coming after the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture is finalized, and expects the stock to react strongly once the market learns AST has all three major US carriers plus a stated '4th player.'

Ozzy Ramos Joins AST as Strategic Advisor

4
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:19:39

    Ozzy Ramos, who began his career as a banker at Lehman Brothers before moving to Barclays after Barclays acquired Lehman, rose to become head of communications, cable, and satellite banking and later vice chair of banking at Barclays, then vice chair of investment banking at UBS, has joined AST SpaceMobile.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:22:00

    Ramos worked on the Viasat-Inmarsat transaction among other marquee deals, giving him relationships with C-level executives across the telecom and space sectors; Anpanman compares his career trajectory to Scott Wisniewski, a former senior telecoms banker at Barclays (who worked on OneWeb financing) before joining AST as an early equity-comp hire around 2022 when the stock was in the $6-7 range.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:00

    Anpanman believes Ramos's hire signals the company is engaged in significant background activity — potentially the telco joint venture, the Satellite Connect Europe JV, the Japan Rakuten JV negotiation, and possible M&A or vertical integration around spectrum or key technologies — and that having an unbiased principal (rather than a fee-motivated banker) advising could support longer-term strategic thinking.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:42:59

    In response to an audience question, Anpanman said a strategic advisor with Ramos's background could help with launch provider negotiations, acquisitions, tuck-in deals, responding to inbound strategic/M&A interest, and OEM partnerships, freeing up Scott Wisniewski and other executives who are stretched across multiple roles.

The Legacy Direct-to-Device Playbook

5
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:41

    He argues that legacy spectrum holders Ligado, EchoStar, Globalstar, and Iridium all originally dismissed direct-to-device technology as unworkable or a small market roughly 5-7 years ago, since they had the most to lose from disruption of their existing businesses.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:00

    As AST went from roughly $2/share through the 'valley of death' to securing AT&T, Verizon, and other carriers and re-rating, these legacy companies changed their narrative from dismissing direct-to-device to embracing it as their salvation, and each announced its own direct-to-device plan: EchoStar's Charlie Ergen contracted MDA Space to build a constellation; Globalstar's Paul Jacobs (ex-Qualcomm) pursued a direct-to-device strategy; Iridium's Matt Desch first tried a proprietary Qualcomm 'Stardust' chipset before pivoting to the NTN standard.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:31:30

    He characterizes this as a 'fake it till you sell' gambit that worked: Ligado struck its AST deal in January 2025, EchoStar abandoned its own constellation plans after SpaceX acquired its AWS-3/AWS-4 spectrum, Globalstar was bought by Amazon, and Rocket Lab bought Iridium.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:33:00

    He explains the strategic value of filing a 'paper constellation': it buys time on FCC build-out deadlines. When the FCC threatened to reclaim EchoStar's spectrum unless sold, the resulting Starlink acquisition of that spectrum established a key precedent — Starlink asked whether meeting build-out requirements via direct-to-device coverage (rather than a terrestrial network) was sufficient, and the FCC agreed, a precedent Anpanman says now benefits AST/Ligado, Amazon/Globalstar, and is directly applicable to the Grain Management spectrum situation.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:34:30

    He notes Iridium's investor base is largely income-focused (dividends, buybacks), which he says trapped Iridium's management from pivoting to spend billions building a next-gen constellation without shareholder backlash, forcing it toward the eventual Rocket Lab sale instead.

SES, OmniSpace, and Lynk Merger

3
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:35:44

    SES has been working with Omnispace and Lynk Global, and Anpanman states the merger between Omnispace and Lynk has now closed, with SES investing equity and receiving preferred stock in the combined entity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:36:30

    He describes the pairing as mismatched: Omnispace holds ITU priority rights to S-band spectrum globally (though lacking country-level authorizations), while Lynk has a handful of satellites tuned for low-band cellular spectrum but would need to be re-architected to work with Omnispace's mid-band spectrum.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:48:24

    He is skeptical the combination becomes a credible global player, citing Lynk's long history (roughly as old as AST) of being unable to raise capital, a failed SPAC merger attempt with Alex Rodriguez's SPAC, and his own unimpressed 2023 meeting with Lynk's Charles Miller.

Viasat and Inmarsat L-band Spectrum

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:37

    Viasat, partnered with Thuraya in a joint venture called Space42, owns roughly 15x15 MHz of S-band spectrum in Europe that Anpanman believes has a high probability of being lost in reallocation (as he expects EchoStar's allocation to be too), but also holds valuable global L-band spectrum via its acquisition of Inmarsat.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:40:30

    Inmarsat's prior licensing agreement with Ligado covers 45 MHz of L-band in the US and 40 MHz in Canada, which AST accessed via its own Ligado deal, meaning AST holds the most valuable parts of Inmarsat/Viasat's L-band spectrum footprint (the US and Canada), while Viasat retains rights to the remaining international L-band it doesn't fully utilize for its maritime/airline connectivity business.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:30

    Because AST controls the most valuable US/Canada portion, he argues this acts like a poison pill making it hard for Viasat to make a licensing deal attractive to any other player, and predicts a future partnership between AST and Viasat to jointly monetize the remaining international L-band spectrum, avoiding redundant constellations, though he sees no urgency given Viasat's traction securing S-band allocations in Europe and Brazil separately.

Audience Q&A

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:44:12

    Asked about the change in institutional versus insider/retail ownership, he stated institutional ownership was 37% at the end of 2025 and is now 52.6%, still well below the 80-90% typical of companies with the strongest institutional support, which he views as room for further upside as institutions build larger positions, similar to what occurred at SpaceX after its lockup expiry increased liquidity for funds like TCW and Fidelity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:45:00

    Asked why Fidelity owns fewer shares than Vanguard and BlackRock, he explained Vanguard/BlackRock ownership is largely passive via ETFs/index funds tracking the broader market, while Fidelity's active portfolio managers may have chosen to sell as of Q2 based on their own risk-reward view, though they could be buying now.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:46:29

    Asked whether Grain Management is the '4th carrier' AST has alluded to on earnings calls, he said he doubts it since Grain has no existing subscriber base or carrier business, and speculated the '4th player' could instead be a small carrier like Spire, the telco joint venture itself, or a cable company such as Cox, Comcast, or Charter.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:31

    On the path back to the stock's prior all-time high near $130, he recalled that after BlueBird 7's launch failure the stock fell to $63 in early May 2026 but rallied to $133 over the following three weeks, illustrating how quickly the stock can recover on catalysts; he specifically believes a T-Mobile announcement could push the stock beyond its most recent all-time high.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:50:04

    Asked whether Japan's roughly $1 billion J-LEO contribution implies about 90 Japan-flagged BlueBird satellites, Anpanman said it's unknown since the $1 billion also covers launch and ground infrastructure, not just satellites, and the actual satellite count depends on per-satellite build costs and details still to be finalized once the joint venture and Japanese regulatory approvals (MIC and what he calls 'CIJA') are completed.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:50:40

    Asked where BlueBirds 14 through 16 stand, he said they are in final stages of testing and should ship soon for a Falcon 9 launch, guessing — not as confirmed company guidance — that this points to a possible September 2026 launch.

Watch Items5

  • Grain Management must select a direct-to-device satellite operator to meet its FCC build-out deadline

    By around November 2026 ('November or maybe end of November') Anpanman 00:13:00
  • Grain Management's tiered FCC build-out requirements for its 800 MHz spectrum (speed and coverage thresholds)

    3-year, 5-year, and 10-year milestones from spectrum acquisition Anpanman 00:08:30
  • Possible formal AST-T-Mobile agreement announcement

    Anpanman expects before year-end 2026, likely after the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture is finalized Anpanman 00:18:30
  • BlueBirds 14 through 16 shipment and possible Falcon 9 launch

    Shipping 'soon'; Anpanman guesses a September 2026 launch, not company-confirmed Anpanman 00:50:40
  • Formalization of the Japan Rakuten/AST J-LEO joint venture, pending Japanese regulatory approval (MIC and 'CIJA')

    Ongoing, no date given Anpanman 00:50:04

Open Questions5

  • How will Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum actually be deployed — folded into the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture, or used to build a dedicated IoT network?

    Anpanman 00:07:30
  • Is Grain Management, a small carrier like Spire, the telco joint venture itself, or a cable company the '4th player' AST has referenced on earnings calls?

    Anpanman 00:46:29
  • Will AST and T-Mobile formally confirm any agreement before year-end 2026, and how will the market react when it happens?

    Anpanman 00:18:30
  • Does Japan's roughly $1 billion J-LEO contribution imply around 90 Japan-flagged BlueBird satellites, or does the funding mostly cover launch and ground infrastructure instead?

    Anpanman 00:50:04
  • Will Viasat and AST eventually strike a partnership to jointly monetize Viasat's international L-band spectrum outside the US and Canada?

    Anpanman 00:41:30
2026-08-17 46:09

AST SpaceMobile - J-LEO Confirmed, T-Mobile Next?

Kook

Kook records this solo episode from a closet in France, breaking down AST SpaceMobile's ($ASTS) latest earnings call and the week's news flow. Anpanman does not appear; this is a Kook-only Space recap.

Kook confirms the J-LEO deal as a roughly $1 billion non-dilutive Japanese government subsidy for Japan-flagged satellites, likening it to Tesla's early reliance on government grants. AST SpaceMobile also disclosed $3.7 billion of pro forma cash, a $1.3 billion revenue backlog, and three new government contracts worth over $100 million.

Kook highlights a newly revealed AI edge-compute roadmap beginning with satellite Bluebird 47, aimed at high-value military and sovereign uses rather than consumer AI. He also cites an FCC filing suggesting AST SpaceMobile already has a contractual relationship with T-Mobile, hinting at a coming direct-to-cell partnership.

Kook frames radar, GPS, and sovereign-satellite demand as expanding AST SpaceMobile's addressable market, though he calls a tracked count of 56 sovereign deals unrealistic. His headline takeaway: despite post-earnings volatility, the company's fundamentals keep improving and its biggest re-rating catalysts remain ahead, not behind.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile's J-LEO deal was confirmed on its latest earnings call as a roughly $1 billion non-dilutive Japanese government subsidy structure funding Japan-flagged satellites within the broader ASTS constellation, with those satellites also usable for the rest of the network.
  • Kook likens the J-LEO subsidy to Tesla's early reliance on government grants, arguing it could effectively lower AST SpaceMobile's net cost per satellite, though definitive documentation is still pending.
  • AST SpaceMobile announced three new US government contracts worth over $100 million in funded near-term value, which Scott Wisniewski reportedly said could scale to roughly half a billion dollars next year.
  • The company disclosed $3.7 billion of pro forma cash (giving effect to its recent convertible bond) and a $1.3 billion revenue backlog as of the latest earnings call.
  • AST SpaceMobile has 10 launches booked at a cadence of about one every other month, with batch 3 BlueBird satellites (in the BB-17 to BB-46 production range) expected to ship as soon as the following week.
  • Company guidance states radar in low-band spectrum is already the majority of AST SpaceMobile's US government revenue, with the non-communications government business framed as a recurring multi-billion-dollar-per-year opportunity starting in 2027, up to half of the company's 2027 revenue target.
  • GPS has been added to AST SpaceMobile's disclosed non-communications government use-case list alongside radar and secure communications.
  • AST SpaceMobile revealed a formal AI edge-compute product roadmap on the earnings call, beginning with satellite Bluebird 47, targeted at sensitive government/military compute rather than consumer AI applications.
  • Kook cites AST SpaceMobile patents dated back to June 2021 describing use of the Micron satellite bus for data centers in space, suggesting the company anticipated this opportunity years in advance.
  • An FCC Special Temporary Authority tied to spectrum T-Mobile sold to Grain Management reportedly requires compliance with 'an existing agreement between AST Space Mobile and T-Mobile USA,' which Kook and Anpanman view as evidence of a direct contractual relationship ahead of a possible T-Mobile partnership announcement.
  • AST SpaceMobile hired Ozzy Ramos, a former UBS and Barclays vice chairman with communications/cable/satellite banking experience, as a strategic advisor; Kook views this as a relationship-opening hire rather than a finance role.
  • A tweet cited by Kook counts 56 emerging sovereign satellite constellation deals globally and still accelerating, though Kook says the probability all 56 actually get built is 'precisely zero,' while viewing the underlying sovereignty trend as a real tailwind reinforced by the Vodafone European venture and J-LEO.
  • Space analyst Chris Quilty was quoted describing the AST SpaceMobile-Vodafone venture as the one challenger with a credible shot at the EU's spectrum priority lane for 2 GHz allocation.
  • Verizon is reportedly testing drone-tracking technology with NVIDIA, Lockheed Martin, and AST SpaceMobile, which Kook says will require satellite backup connectivity for 'positive control' of drones.
  • Kook cites a tweet from 'Dr. Ali' modeling a $1 trillion valuation (about $2,200 per share) for AST SpaceMobile tied to AI/robotics-driven communications demand, explicitly framing this as his extreme upside case, not a base case.

Detailed Discussion11 topics

Market Reaction and Post-Earnings Volatility

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  • Kook Untagged 00:01:52

    Kook explains that with many traders positioned for a big volatility event around earnings, the post-earnings collapse in implied volatility (vega) compresses option deltas and creates confusing, noisy price action.

  • Kook Speculation 00:01:52

    Kook notes the stock has been trading in 'gamma bands' tied to where market makers' hedging kicks in based on outstanding option positions, citing an account called 'Reformed Trader.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:03:03

    Kook reflects that at $70 sentiment feels like 'cause for group therapy,' even though $70 felt like winning the lottery the first time the stock hit that level earlier in 2025, illustrating shifting investor psychology.

  • Kook Untagged 00:03:03

    Kook recalls the stock corrected to $37 after Scott priced a convertible bond around the end of July 2025, at which point he feared he had missed generational wealth; today's rebound back to $70 feels like a major win by comparison.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:04:18

    The Wall Street Journal covered AST SpaceMobile this past week, though its cover photo was of Blue Origin's New Glenn 3 rocket, which Kook called an 'inauspicious' image choice.

J-LEO Deal Confirmation

4
  • Kook Company Guidance 00:04:56

    AST SpaceMobile confirmed the J-LEO deal on its earnings call: a roughly $1 billion non-dilutive subsidy structure funding Japan-flagged satellites within the broader ASTS constellation, with those satellites also usable for the rest of the network.

  • Kook Speculation 00:04:56

    Kook speculates that if a billion-dollar non-dilutive government grant flows into the constellation, it could effectively lower AST SpaceMobile's true net cost per satellite below the company's stated per-satellite cost guidance, though he says he isn't certain how the company will formally account for it.

  • Kook Speculation 00:04:56

    Kook compares J-LEO to Tesla's early reliance on government grants as non-dilutive financing that helped accrue enormous shareholder value, seeing a similar dynamic playing out for AST SpaceMobile.

  • Kook Speculation 00:04:56

    Kook says definitive J-LEO documentation is still pending and could take a while, but based on how deals customarily get finalized once publicly announced in Japan, he considers the deal effectively done.

New Government Contracts and T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom Signals

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:07:24

    AST SpaceMobile announced three new US government contract awards, together representing over $100 million in funded near-term value.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:07:24

    Kook relays that Scott Wisniewski said on the call that these government contracts could scale to roughly half a billion dollars next year.

  • Kook Speculation 00:07:24

    Kook says AST SpaceMobile has 'all but told us' that Deutsche Telekom's T-Mobile is going to sign a contract, based on how the company phrased things on the earnings call without stating it outright.

  • Kook Speculation 00:07:24

    Kook argues sell-side telecom/media analysts typically cover 40 names each and can't justify deep-diving a still-hard-to-size name like AST SpaceMobile, giving retail research (Space Mob) an edge in reading the company's earnings-call signals.

Cash, Backlog, and Launch Cadence

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:10:51

    AST SpaceMobile reported $3.7 billion of pro forma cash, giving effect to its recent convertible bond offering.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:10:51

    AST SpaceMobile disclosed a $1.3 billion revenue backlog, which Kook expects to become an increasingly closely watched metric as it grows into the many billions.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:51

    Kook attributes the backlog partly to capacity payments, where MNOs and government customers like FirstNet pay for 5-10 years of guaranteed access.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:10:51

    AST SpaceMobile has 10 launches booked, with management describing a cadence of about one launch every other month; Kook notes some investors are frustrated with the pace, with more launch capacity coming in 2027.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:22:52

    Kook says batch 3 BlueBird satellites are getting ready to ship very soon, potentially as soon as the following week, with BB-17 through BB-46 in various stages of production.

Government Revenue: Radar and GPS

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:12:52

    Kook relays company guidance that radar in low-band spectrum is already the majority of AST SpaceMobile's US government revenue to date.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:12:52

    Kook cites company framing of the non-communications government opportunity as a 'recurring multi-billion dollar a year' business starting in 2027, representing up to half of the company's 2027 revenue guidance target of $1 billion.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:12:52

    GPS has been added to AST SpaceMobile's disclosed non-communications government use-case list, alongside radar and communications.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:12:52

    The company is showing data rates around 100 megabits per second already demonstrated, with a stated path to 200 Mbps.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:12:52

    AST SpaceMobile is rapidly expanding its factory footprint explicitly for US government scale, which Kook says confirms a dedicated government-focused manufacturing facility he first inferred from Scott Wisniewski's comments at a Deutsche Bank conference last September.

AI Edge Compute Roadmap

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:19:37

    Kook says the earnings call moved AI edge compute from hypothetical talk to a concrete product roadmap item, telling investors exactly when it enters the roadmap: beginning with satellite Bluebird 47.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:19:37

    The disclosed roadmap slide lists non-communications, radar, secure government communications, funded networks, IoT, AI edge compute, and federal emergency services as product categories.

  • Kook Speculation 00:16:46

    Kook argues AST SpaceMobile's core advantage is its in-orbit power generation capacity relative to fairing volume, comparing it to Iceland's cheap geothermal power attracting aluminum smelting and Bitcoin mining; AI compute is simply the next 'highest and best use' after RF communications.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:26

    Kook stresses the AI compute opportunity is not about consumer queries like powering a chatbot, but sensitive, high-value military and government compute staying in space, comparing it to Porsche acquiring a niche high-margin brand like Ruff to capture the top of the market without needing high volume.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:27:39

    Community researcher 'Interalia 51' found AST SpaceMobile patents dated back to June 2021 describing use of the Micron satellite bus for data centers in space, which Kook cites as evidence the company anticipated this opportunity years in advance.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:27:39

    Kook relays that Abel Avellan said starting with satellite 47, compute capability will be added and integrated into the system as an incremental capability layered onto the existing constellation architecture and gateway network.

  • Kook Untagged 00:14:40

    Kook notes 'Yeah Dave,' whose earnings-call summary he particularly values, flagged the ASIC chip progress and the expanded applicability of IoT use cases beyond the simple 'dead zone' coverage pitch.

T-Mobile Spectrum Evidence via FCC Filing

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:22:52

    Kook relays analysis (credited to 'Rocket Tank123' and Anpanman) that the FCC granted AST SpaceMobile a Special Temporary Authority to test on spectrum sold by T-Mobile to Grain Management, with the authorization requiring compliance with 'an existing agreement between AST Space Mobile and T-Mobile USA.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:22:52

    Kook says Anpanman views this STA condition as strong evidence AST SpaceMobile and T-Mobile already have a direct contractual, technical relationship around the spectrum, ahead of a possible commercial announcement.

Ozzy Ramos Joins as Strategic Advisor

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:31:56

    AST SpaceMobile hired Ozzy Ramos, previously vice chairman of investment banking at UBS and, before that, vice chairman at Barclays where he led the communications, cable, and satellite banking sector; he began his career at Lehman Brothers until its September 2008 collapse.

  • Kook Speculation 00:31:56

    Kook interprets Ramos's role as a relationship 'door opener' rather than a finance-focused hire like a CFO, drawing on his own experience recruiting similarly senior advisors who could open doors with regulators and counterparties.

  • Kook Speculation 00:31:56

    Kook says he has specific guesses about what high-level initiatives Ramos will help execute but declines to share them in a public Spaces.

Sovereign Satellite Deals and TAM Expansion

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  • Kook Speculation 00:37:38

    A tweet by 'PennyCheck' cited by Kook counts 56 emerging sovereign satellite constellation deals in progress globally, with the pace still accelerating.

  • Kook Speculation 00:41:25

    Kook says the probability all 56 sovereign constellations actually get built is 'precisely zero,' but views the underlying trend of countries seeking to avoid dependency on US satellite infrastructure as real, reinforced by the Vodafone European venture and J-LEO's Japan-flagged-satellite structure.

  • Kook Speculation 00:41:25

    Space analyst Chris Quilty is quoted describing the AST SpaceMobile-Vodafone venture as 'the one challenger with a credible shot at the EU priority lane' for 2 GHz spectrum allocation.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:41:25

    Kook cites a report that Verizon is testing drone-tracking technology with NVIDIA and Lockheed Martin, arguing satellite backup connectivity from AST SpaceMobile will be required for 'positive control' of drones since terrestrial networks alone can't guarantee constant connection.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:37:38

    Fairwinds has formally branded its collaboration with AST SpaceMobile as 'AetherLink,' described as a global 5G and non-terrestrial-network service for mission-critical defense communications.

FirstNet Status

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  • Kook Speculation 00:27:39

    Kook says he never expected a big standalone FirstNet announcement and believes AST SpaceMobile has effectively already gotten it: FirstNet spectrum access and a channel-partner relationship where FirstNet sells the service to its users, possibly with a future capacity payment.

Valuation and Closing Notes

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  • Kook Speculation 00:42:00

    Kook cites a tweet from 'Dr. Ali' modeling communications as a future $1 trillion-per-year business per Elon Musk's framing around AI, robotics, and connected devices, implying a $1 trillion AST SpaceMobile valuation, or about $2,200 per share, which Kook calls his own 'extreme upside case,' not a base case.

  • Kook Speculation 00:41:25

    Kook cites an analysis from 'Wave 3 Trades' showing that in 4 of the last 5 earnings calls, AST SpaceMobile's stock dipped before rallying to new all-time highs, which he attributes to post-earnings volatility crush followed by momentum once uncertainty clears.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:41:25

    Kook notes continued progress at Blue Origin rebuilding launch capability after its pad anomaly, contrasted with a recent failed Chinese rocket launch shown in a video.

Watch Items6

  • Batch 3 BlueBird satellites (from the BB-17 through BB-46 production range) shipping to the launch site

    as soon as next week, relative to the Aug 17, 2026 recording Kook 00:22:52
  • Formal T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom direct-to-cell commercial agreement announcement

    not specified; described as imminent based on earnings-call signals and FCC filing evidence Kook 00:07:24
  • Government/radar revenue scaling into a recurring multi-billion-dollar-per-year opportunity

    starting in 2027 Kook 00:12:52
  • AI edge compute capability added to AST SpaceMobile satellites

    beginning with satellite Bluebird 47 Kook 00:19:37
  • J-LEO definitive documentation finalized

    no set date; Kook considers the deal effectively done pending paperwork Kook 00:04:56
  • Additional satellite launch capacity coming online

    2027 Kook 00:10:51

Open Questions4

  • Will AST SpaceMobile and T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom formally announce a direct-to-cell commercial agreement, and how would the market react?

    Kook 00:07:24
  • What specific high-level initiatives will strategic advisor Ozzy Ramos help AST SpaceMobile execute, given his senior banking and regulatory relationships?

    Kook 00:31:56
  • How many of the 56 tracked sovereign satellite constellation deals will actually be realized as contracts?

    Kook 00:37:38
  • Will AST SpaceMobile ever receive a large, standalone FirstNet contract beyond the existing spectrum access and channel-partner relationship?

    Kook 00:27:39
2026-08-11 1:01:02

AST SpaceMobile Q2 - Anpanman Bullish

Anpanman

This solo AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode features Anpanman breaking down the company's Q2 2026 earnings call, published a day after the call. He argues the market's flat-to-negative reaction badly misreads what was actually a very bullish set of disclosures.

Anpanman opens with the hire of Ozzy Ramos, a longtime UBS and Barclays vice chair of investment banking, framing it as a strong signal of coming strategic moves. He details new spectrum news: C-band capability built into mid-band Block 3 Bluebirds, an ASIC chip that already processes low-band, mid-band and C-band signals, and a plan to bring 100 MHz of usable spectrum to the US network.

He also covers a now-confirmed US joint venture spanning AT&T, Verizon and a likely third partner in T-Mobile, active testing with Deutsche Telekom, new AI-compute ambitions for mid-band satellites, and a $1.3 billion contracted backlog lifted by roughly $125 million in new government awards.

Despite the Blue Origin launch mishap pushing the 45-satellite target to Q1 2027, AST reiterated full-year 2026 revenue guidance of $150-200 million. Anpanman calls it one of the best earnings calls yet, citing Cantor Fitzgerald's price-target hike and Piper Sandler's continued top-pick rating.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile hired Ozzy Ramos, most recently vice chair of investment banking at UBS (2023-2026) and previously nearly 16 years at Barclays including as head of the communications, cable and satellite sector, which Anpanman calls a huge vote of confidence and a signal of upcoming strategic moves.
  • AST disclosed that C-band spectrum capability will be built directly into its mid-band Block 3 Bluebird satellites rather than requiring a separate future satellite generation.
  • AST confirmed its AST5000 ASIC chip can already process low-band, mid-band, and C-band signals without needing a redesigned chip.
  • AST disclosed a plan to bring 100 MHz of usable spectrum to its US direct-to-cell network, more than the roughly 65 MHz SpaceX uses via its AWS-3 spectrum.
  • AST confirmed a US joint venture structure involving AT&T and Verizon (whose existing exclusive contracts remain in place) plus a third party understood to be T-Mobile, with room for a fourth participant.
  • AST is actively testing with Deutsche Telekom in Europe as part of the Satellite Connect Europe joint venture with Vodafone.
  • Management discussed adding AI compute capability to mid-band Bluebird satellites (BlueBird 47 and beyond), framing orbital data centers as a new potential business line.
  • AST reported 10 launches booked across 2 launch providers, with satellites Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 nearing readiness to ship in August ahead of the next Falcon 9 launch.
  • AST's Midland manufacturing expansion, adding roughly 400,000 square feet, was explicitly confirmed on the call to be driven by US government demand.
  • AST disclosed a $1.3 billion contracted backlog, up from about $1.1 billion the prior quarter, boosted by roughly $125 million from three new government contract awards.
  • Management discussed a path toward $1 billion of revenue (potentially on a run-rate basis) in 2027, with up to $500 million of that potentially coming from government contracts if things go well.
  • AST reiterated full-year 2026 revenue guidance of $150-200 million despite the Blue Origin New Glenn launch mishap pushing back the satellite deployment timeline.
  • AST described a Japan J-LEO sovereign satellite arrangement with Rakuten in which satellites flagged for Japan carry a kill switch but remain part of AST's federated constellation and can be used and monetized outside Japan.
  • AST highlighted 700 MHz spectrum as key to global emergency-services connectivity, including in Mexico via Altan Redes and in parts of Europe, a band it says is unavailable to satellite-only competitors like SpaceX, Amazon, or Globalstar.
  • With 25 satellites in orbit, AST said its planned beta commercial service could provide intermittent broadband coverage for approximately half of each day.
  • Cantor Fitzgerald raised its ASTS price target from $80 to $90, and Piper Sandler reiterated ASTS as its favorite space stock while trimming its target from $100 to $98.

Detailed Discussion13 topics

Ozzy Ramos Wall Street Hire

3
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:22

    AST hired Ozzy Ramos, who was most recently vice chair of UBS's investment banking division from August 2023 through August 2026; before that he spent almost 16 years at Barclays, including about 6 years as vice chair of banking, and before that was managing director and head of the communications, cable and satellite sector, then head of media, and earlier spent 8 years at Lehman Brothers (which Barclays acquired).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    Anpanman argues that a senior banker of Ramos's caliber choosing to join AST rather than pursue other opportunities is a big vote of confidence and suggests the company is contemplating significant strategic transactions, possibly M&A or JV structuring, given the wave of consolidation in the sector (Amazon/Globalstar, Rocket Lab/Iridium).

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:22

    Anpanman notes this isn't AST's only senior hire, pointing out Abel Avellan also recently hired a senior partner from Abry, the PE firm that previously owned Avellan's earlier company EMC and where that partner sat on the board.

Spectrum: C-band, ASIC Capability, and 100 MHz US Plan

6
  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:09:55

    Abel Avellan discussed C-band spectrum on the call, noting C-band auctions are happening next year and that AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile already hold C-band; the company indicated C-band capability will be built into the mid-band (Block 3) Bluebird satellites rather than requiring a separate future generation, which Anpanman said surprised him since he'd expected a distinct Block 4 for C-band.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:14:34

    Chris Quilty asked on the call whether a new ASIC would need to be developed to incorporate C-band; the company said no — the existing AST5000 ASIC can already do signal processing across low-band, mid-band, and C-band spectrum, similar to how it already incorporated Ligado L-band spectrum when that deal was announced.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:55

    Anpanman estimates deploying C-band terrestrially is roughly 3 to 4 times more expensive per area than low-band, so he expects the vast majority of C-band coverage outside urban cores to ultimately be delivered via satellite rather than towers.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:09:55

    The current batch of low-band satellites in production runs through BlueBird 46 (45 needed for coverage, plus one extra to make up for the lost BlueBird 7); Bluebirds 47 and beyond will be mid-band satellites entering construction later this year and launching in early 2027.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:21

    AST disclosed the ability to bring 100 MHz of usable spectrum to its US direct-to-cell network, versus the roughly 65 MHz SpaceX uses via AWS-3; Anpanman's own back-of-envelope breakdown is 45 MHz from Ligado, 20 MHz from FirstNet, and about 20 MHz from AT&T/Verizon 850 MHz spectrum (roughly 85 MHz total), with the remainder possibly coming from Grain Management or other low-band spectrum — his own estimate, not something the company itemized on the call.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:21

    Anpanman speculates the company's Ligado spectrum may be contributed into the US joint venture and used to sell dedicated broadband access to IoT devices (robotics, cars, etc.) separate from mobile carrier traffic, though he stresses this is speculative.

International Spectrum and EchoStar/SpaceX Sovereignty Questions

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:18:45

    AST said it is seeing more S-band allocations outside the US, specifically citing Brazil (where Anatel already gave a 10x10 MHz allocation) and expressing optimism about a roughly 10x10 MHz allocation in the EU, plus other jurisdictions with potential allocations.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:45

    Anpanman raises a regulatory tension: the FCC has said US-flagged constellations must respect global priority S-band rights (relevant to EchoStar, which SpaceX is acquiring), but if foreign regulators instead choose to allocate their own S-band spectrum to AST rather than EchoStar to preserve sovereignty, it's unclear how US regulators would respond.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:22

    Anpanman notes that on a separate Deutsche Telekom call, it was suggested EchoStar is running into regulatory issues in Europe and may not retain its roughly 15x15 MHz European S-band allocation, given that Deutsche Telekom, as a local MNO, has leverage over whether EchoStar's licenses get renewed.

US Joint Venture with AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:22:06

    A Deutsche Bank analyst (Brian Kraft) asked Abel Avellan directly whether the joint venture means existing AT&T and Verizon contracts get superseded, and whether AST is working with T-Mobile and Deutsche Telekom; management said the exclusive AT&T and Verizon contracts stay in place, and while they didn't answer the T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom question directly, Anpanman says they effectively confirmed it.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:06

    Management said the joint venture structure allows for adding a 3rd and 4th player; Anpanman is confident the 3rd is T-Mobile, while a 4th could be the JV entity itself, cable/MVNO operators like Comcast or Charter, or possibly regional carrier C Spire, which holds valuable low-band spectrum and has publicly discussed wanting direct-to-device coverage.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:06

    Anpanman estimates AT&T's exclusivity window is probably around 5 years from launch of service and Verizon's around 3 years, after which he expects a direct commercial agreement with T-Mobile to be layered on top of the separate joint venture.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:06

    Anpanman rejects a consultant's claim that the joint venture exists mainly to help AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile negotiate against SpaceX, arguing instead it's a strategic response positioning AST against the competitive threat from Starlink and, by extension, Amazon.

AI Compute and Orbital Data Centers

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:25:44

    Scott Wisniewski and Abel Avellan discussed adding AI compute capability to the mid-band Bluebirds (47 and beyond), noting the satellites' unfolding design can generate 100-120 kilowatts of power and already include processing and communications hardware; this is the first time the company discussed the concept at length.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:44

    Anpanman speculates potential customers for orbital compute could include strategic investor Google or Meta, which he says AST is currently in talks with, plus the MNO partners themselves, though he frames this as his own inference from the company's new openness on the topic.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:44

    Anpanman highlights that an all-in Bluebird satellite cost of $21-23 million with launch included, at scale, could be a compelling cost basis for 100-120 kilowatts of orbital compute power compared to dedicated space-data-center players like StarCloud.

Launch Cadence and Manufacturing

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:29:01

    AST disclosed 10 launches booked with 2 different providers; Anpanman initially guessed this meant roughly 6-8 launches with SpaceX and the balance with Blue Origin, but an audience member noted the company specified the 10 launches exclude Blue Origin, prompting Anpanman to revise his guess to roughly 8 or 9 with SpaceX and 1-2 with a provider he believes is ULA.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:29:01

    A company slide showed Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 are close to ready and would ship in August, with the next launch expected to be a Falcon 9.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:29:01

    Anpanman explains AST's press releases avoid naming SpaceX directly (referring only to "Falcon 9") because of a communications-control provision in the 2022 multi-launch agreement, which is also why some launches don't appear on public manifests until 2-3 weeks before they occur.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:32:01

    Bluebirds through 46 are confirmed in production, up from BlueBird 42 disclosed roughly a week earlier.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:32:01

    The Midland manufacturing expansion — adding 400,000 square feet on top of the existing 500,000 square feet, for roughly 1 million square feet total — was explicitly confirmed on the call to be driven by US government demand tied to programs like Golden Dome and Arsenal Freedom.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:32:01

    Management indicated the company is moving toward larger phased-array form factors beyond the current 15x15 meter size, likely to 20x20 meters and eventually toward a previously-shelved 30x30 meter design, mirroring an industry-wide trend (Starlink is moving from 2.5x2.5 meter arrays toward roughly 5x5 meters).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:54:22

    In audience Q&A, Anpanman clarifies that AST is currently producing microns (a satellite subcomponent) at a rate of about 6 per month, but total fully-built satellites are not yet at 6 per month — he estimates the current satellite completion rate at roughly 3 to 4 per month, expected to reach 6 soon, having been slowed somewhat by the Blue Origin launch mishap.

Government Backlog, Contracts, and Path to $1B Revenue

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:34:43

    AST disclosed a $1.3 billion contracted backlog, up from $1.1 billion a quarter ago, with a large part of that increase coming from 3 new government contract awards Anpanman estimates were valued at around $125 million combined, bringing his own running count to roughly 16 total government contracts (as subprime or prime).

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:34:43

    Scott Wisniewski said the company will provide more disclosure on the 3 new government awards in the coming weeks.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:36:59

    In response to a question about the roughly quarter-long pushout of the 45-satellite target due to the Blue Origin mishap, Scott Wisniewski reiterated a focus on reaching $1 billion of revenue over the course of 2027 (possibly meaning run-rate rather than full-year total, per Anpanman's read), with government revenue potentially reaching up to $500 million in 2027 "if things go right."

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:38:37

    Chris Quilty asked what spectrum is being used for the non-communications radar applications; the company confirmed it is low-band spectrum, around 900 MHz, which Anpanman notes no other satellite operator is positioned to use since competitors like SpaceX are focused on mid-band and Globalstar lacks access to 900 MHz.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:38:37

    Scott Wisniewski described additional government use cases beyond radar, including low-power 3GPP-compatible secure communications for handsets, existing radios, wearables, headsets, and drones.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:38:37

    Anpanman speculates a connection to defense-tech company Anduril, noting Palmer Luckey has previously discussed satellite communications work in a televised interview and reportedly held a personal investment in AST as of 2025.

2026 Revenue Guidance Reiterated

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:42:04

    AST reiterated full-year 2026 revenue guidance of $150-200 million, which Anpanman calls a big deal given the Blue Origin mishap pushed satellite deployment back roughly a quarter; he had expected the range to come down but it didn't, which he reads as a sign the government-related testing on BlueBird 6 and other satellites is going well.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:42:04

    Anpanman notes Q2 revenue came in a few million dollars lighter than Street consensus, and that CFO Andy Johnson explained the company manages the business on a full-year basis rather than quarter-to-quarter, with the second half more back-end loaded, since commercial subscription revenue is not yet predictable enough for quarterly guidance.

Japan J-LEO Sovereign Satellite Deal with Rakuten

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:42:08

    Abel Avellan confirmed that while satellites flagged for Japan will carry a kill switch for use over Japan specifically, they remain part of AST's federated global constellation and can be used and monetized outside Japan, which Anpanman says clarifies earlier confusing comments from Rakuten's Hiroshi (Miki) Mikitani about the JV providing service globally.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:42:08

    Anpanman speculates Rakuten will likely receive some share of revenue generated when Japan-funded satellites are used outside Japan, though the exact split depends on how the satellite funding is structured between the two companies.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:42:08

    Scott Wisniewski said there are ongoing discussions with other countries about sovereign satellite solutions, framing it as "what G20 country would not want their own sovereign capability that is affordable," and comparing the funding model to Planet Labs' prior deal building Earth-observation satellites for Japan.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:59:35

    In audience Q&A, Anpanman clarifies that AST itself is funding the core roughly 90-100 satellite constellation, while Japan's J-LEO funding covers additional satellites in excess of that base count, not a share of the core build.

700 MHz for Global Emergency Services

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:44:37

    Scott Wisniewski highlighted the ability to leverage 700 MHz spectrum globally for emergency services, citing the US FirstNet allocation (20 MHz dedicated), Mexico's Altan Redes (holding roughly 60 MHz, 30x30, of 700 MHz), and dedicated 700 MHz emergency-services spectrum frameworks in various European countries.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:44:37

    Anpanman contrasts this with Europe's IRIS constellation, a roughly $15 billion (up from a prior $10 billion figure he cited) MSS-spectrum-based European government satellite program, arguing MSS spectrum is less effective than 700 MHz for penetrating collapsed buildings or dense tree cover during emergencies.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:44:37

    Anpanman argues that access to 700 MHz spectrum for emergency backup networks is only possible through AST's MNO-partnership model, not available to satellite-only competitors like SpaceX, Amazon, or Globalstar, who are limited to MSS spectrum.

Beta Service Coverage with 25 Satellites

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:48:12

    In response to a question about what beta service coverage looks like with 25 satellites, the company said it would provide approximately half a day of coverage, which Anpanman describes as good initial intermittent broadband service that should improve toward full-day coverage as more satellites launch.

Live Q&A

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:49:34

    Asked why BlueBird 6 isn't showing up in property, plant and equipment in the 10-Q, with the satellites-in-orbit asset value unchanged versus Q4, Anpanman said he is not sure, speculating it could relate to different accounting treatment for the satellite given its partial military use, but noted this wouldn't be consistent with BlueBird 6 having problems given the company just landed 3 additional military contracts worth $125 million.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:54:22

    Asked to clarify a comment about launching "every month or two," Anpanman said he's fairly certain it means launching once or twice per month, since the math otherwise wouldn't support the disclosed launch and satellite targets.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:54:22

    Asked how AST gets to an average $21-23 million per-satellite cost when a single Falcon 9 launch costs $40-80 million, Anpanman explained that figure is a long-run average achieved once Blue Origin's New Glenn reaches full cadence, moving from 7 satellites on 2 launches to potentially 9 satellites on 4 launches (or up to 12 per launch).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:54:22

    Asked why FPGA-based Microns were originally expected for the first 24 Bluebirds with ASICs following, Anpanman said ASIC production at scale took longer than planned, so ASICs likely won't appear until the mid-band Bluebirds; he also notes community member Catseye's point that FPGAs may remain preferable for low-band satellites used in radar and other reprogrammable government applications versus the more rigid ASICs.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:49:34

    An audience member suggested a Barclays connection between new hire Ozzy Ramos and AST President Scott Wisniewski (also ex-Barclays); Anpanman agreed there is probably overlap and that Scott likely knows him.

Analyst Reactions

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:57:37

    Cantor Fitzgerald upgraded its ASTS price target from $80 to $90.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:57:37

    Piper Sandler, which had initiated coverage roughly two weeks earlier with a $100 price target during a weak market period, trimmed its target by $2 to $98 the evening of earnings (which Anpanman attributes to dilution from the recent convertible note offering), while reiterating ASTS as its favorite stock in the space sector.

Watch Items6

  • Mid-band Bluebirds (BlueBird 47 and beyond) entering construction and beginning launches

    construction later in 2026, launches beginning early 2027 Anpanman 00:09:55
  • Next satellite launch: Falcon 9 carrying Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16

    satellites shipping in August, launch to follow Anpanman 00:29:01
  • Further public disclosure of details on the 3 new government contract awards (~$125 million combined)

    expected in the coming weeks Anpanman 00:34:43
  • Path to $1 billion of revenue, including up to $500 million potentially from government contracts

    over the course of 2027 Anpanman 00:36:59
  • C-band spectrum auctions

    next year (2027) Anpanman 00:09:55
  • Street/analyst reaction to the Q2 2026 earnings call

    the following trading day Anpanman 00:59:35

Open Questions5

  • Why isn't BlueBird 6 appearing in property, plant & equipment on the 10-Q, with the satellites-in-orbit asset value unchanged versus Q4?

    Anpanman 00:49:34
  • How will J-LEO revenue be split between AST and Rakuten for satellites used outside Japan?

    Anpanman 00:59:35
  • Will EchoStar be able to retain its global S-band spectrum allocations, such as its roughly 15x15 MHz in Europe, once SpaceX's acquisition proceeds, given other countries' sovereignty concerns?

    Anpanman 00:18:45
  • Who is the potential 4th participant in the US joint venture beyond AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile — a cable/MVNO player like Comcast or Charter, or a regional carrier like C Spire?

    Anpanman 00:22:06
  • Why does the 10-Q show an 'involuntary conversion' related to insurance, presumably tied to the lost BlueBird 7?

    Anpanman 00:59:35
2026-08-10 49:48

Starlink Mobile Just Made AST SpaceMobile the Winner

Anpanman

This solo AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode features only Anpanman, previewing the company's earnings call set for after market close on August 10, 2026. He spends most of the episode reacting to a weekend of Starlink Mobile hype driven by Elon Musk.

Anpanman argues Musk's claims that Starlink could capture 25% to 50% of global internet traffic, worth up to $1 trillion in revenue, will force AT&T, Verizon, and eventually T-Mobile to bake AST SpaceMobile's satellite service into every plan. He says this makes old 5-10% subscriber uptake estimates obsolete, pushing his own expected uptake toward 80-100%.

He frames this as a prisoner's dilemma among carriers and says AST gains subscribers without customer acquisition costs since carriers already own the subscriber base. He also compares AST's speeds to competitors, reviews Globalstar, Amazon Kuiper, and Iridium, and notes Rakuten confirmed the roughly $1 billion J-LEO satellite award on its earnings call this morning.

Anpanman's headline conclusion is that Starlink's move into mobile service is the best thing that could happen to AST SpaceMobile. He expects the market to shift from a Starlink/AST duopoly toward AST becoming the clear winner among MNO partners globally.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman argues Elon Musk's weekend claims that Starlink could capture 25% of global internet traffic near-term (about $500 billion of revenue) and up to 50% long-term (about $1 trillion of revenue) will push mobile carriers to adopt AST SpaceMobile satellite service as a standard feature to compete.
  • Anpanman says old uptake estimates of 5-10% subscriber adoption for AST SpaceMobile are now outdated, and he personally expects uptake to reach roughly 80-100% as satellite coverage becomes 'table stakes' for carriers.
  • Anpanman describes a 'prisoner's dilemma' among AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile: once one carrier bakes AST's satellite coverage into all its plans, the others must follow or risk losing subscribers.
  • Anpanman contrasts AST's customer-acquisition model, which relies on carriers' existing subscriber bases and costs AST nothing directly, with Starlink's reported $400-500 cost to acquire each new customer.
  • Anpanman recalls that roughly two months earlier T-Mobile's CFO publicly criticized Starlink's satellite service limitations in technical detail at an investor conference, which Anpanman reads as a sign of internal strain in the T-Mobile/Starlink partnership.
  • Anpanman states AST's Block 1 BlueBird satellites (launched 2025) deliver about 100 Mbps and Block 2 satellites deliver about 200 Mbps, with a roadmap through Block 3-5 targeting a further 10x improvement, versus Starlink bulls' claim that Starlink's V2 satellite will reach about 150 Mbps.
  • Anpanman reviews Globalstar (roughly 8 MHz of uplink and 15 MHz of downlink spectrum, global, partnered with Amazon/Apple) and Amazon's Kuiper-based direct-to-device plans, describing Amazon's approach as a separate proprietary network not integrated into MNO cores.
  • Anpanman argues MNOs are unlikely to partner with Amazon for direct-to-device service because Amazon's Kuiper broadband already competes with carriers' home internet and fiber businesses, and Amazon wants to own the customer relationship.
  • Anpanman describes Iridium as a niche player with 2.4 million total subscribers (2 million IoT devices plus 402,000 commercial voice/data subscribers), constrained to about 7.8 MHz of usable spectrum with no dedicated uplink or downlink, but highlights IoT as a large opportunity given AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile's combined roughly 84 million IoT devices today.
  • Anpanman argues Elon Musk's claim that every future car will connect via Starlink actually strengthens AST SpaceMobile's position, because automakers that compete with Tesla are unlikely to want to partner with SpaceX.
  • Rakuten confirmed on its earnings call the morning of this episode that it received the roughly $1 billion J-LEO sovereign satellite constellation award with AST SpaceMobile, though the joint venture has not yet been formalized and Rakuten is targeting beta commercial service by the end of this year.
  • Anpanman says, based on his own due diligence rather than confirmed company guidance, that Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 are close to shipping and expects them to launch on a Falcon 9 in mid-September 2026 or later.
  • Anpanman predicts AST SpaceMobile could ultimately capture roughly 70-80% of global MNO partnerships versus a generous 10-20% for Starlink, a shift from what he previously viewed as a 30/70 or 40/60 duopoly split.

Detailed Discussion11 topics

Earnings Preview and Podcast Housekeeping

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:02

    AST SpaceMobile reports earnings after the close today, which Anpanman expects to be full of significant developments, jokingly noting the company always calls each quarter 'the most important quarterly update in the history of the company.'

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:39

    Anpanman thanks Redrum for converting X Spaces into podcast episodes distributed on Apple and Spotify, including Kook's spaces, and notes that X typically deletes Spaces after about 30 days, so podcast archiving is the only way to preserve older content.

Starlink Mobile Weekend News and Musk's Claims

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:06

    Over the weekend there was a surge of Starlink Mobile commentary from Musk supporters; Musk stated he believes Starlink could reach 25% of global internet traffic (about $500 billion of revenue) in the next few years, and over the long term up to 50% of all internet traffic, or $1 trillion in revenue.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:05:50

    Musk supporters mocked T-Mobile's CEO over the weekend and Musk himself joined in rather than discouraging it; Anpanman believes the T-Mobile/Starlink relationship is 'untenable' and says he now checks daily whether T-Mobile's T-Satellite webpage is still up as a signal of how the relationship is deteriorating.

Uptake Estimates Revised Sharply Upward

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:47

    Anpanman says the long-running debate over AST SpaceMobile subscriber uptake (previously estimated at 2-15%) is now moot; with Starlink entering the mobile business and threatening MNOs directly, he expects uptake closer to 80-100% rather than the old 5-10% range.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:17

    Anpanman argues satellite coverage is becoming 'table stakes' -- a term he attributes to T-Mobile -- meaning 100% connectivity (hybrid terrestrial plus satellite) will become the baseline customer expectation, making dead zones unacceptable.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:10:40

    Anpanman recounts personally using T-Mobile around 2003-2004 when it had only mid-band spectrum and no low-band, resulting in unusable coverage in office buildings and subways; he cites this as the type of poor dense-area experience Starlink Mobile would face using mid-band spectrum like AWS-3 without extensive tower buildout.

MNO Competitive Dynamics

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:36

    Anpanman describes a 'prisoner's dilemma': if AT&T puts AST SpaceMobile satellite coverage in all its plans to defend against Starlink, Verizon has to follow, and then T-Mobile has to as well, since offering 100% coverage becomes a differentiator that can shift subscribers.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:16:32

    Anpanman argues AST SpaceMobile gains subscribers without incurring customer acquisition costs, unlike Starlink, which he says costs about $400 to $500 to acquire a customer (advertising, sales, marketing, and incentives); AST's model instead relies on carriers texting customers in dead zones to prompt them to turn on satellite service, building awareness and eventual paid adoption.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:13

    Anpanman recalls that roughly two months before this episode, T-Mobile's CFO gave detailed technical criticism of Starlink's service limitations (orbital lag, limited data capacity, satellite replenishment needs) at an investment conference, which Anpanman interprets as a sign T-Mobile feels pressured by the Starlink relationship despite being partners.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:19

    Anpanman says the market has shifted from what he previously saw as a Starlink/AST duopoly (Starlink getting maybe 30-40% of MNOs) to a 'winner-take-most' dynamic, with AST potentially capturing 70-80% of global MNO partnerships and Starlink a generous 10-20%, since AST has the incumbent MNOs (60+ partners, 3+ billion subscribers) on its side.

Satellite Speed Comparisons

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:23:04

    Anpanman states AST's Block 1 BlueBird satellites, launched in 2025, deliver about 100 megabits per second, Block 2 satellites deliver about 200 megabits per second, and the company's roadmap through Block 3, 4, and 5 targets a further improvement of over 10x, versus Starlink bears' claim that Starlink's V2 satellite will reach about 150 megabits per second.

Competitor Landscape: Globalstar and Amazon Kuiper

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:38

    Anpanman describes Globalstar as having good, global spectrum (roughly 8 MHz of uplink and 15 MHz of downlink), suggesting Amazon (which is building on Globalstar-related spectrum) 'is going to be able to build something good,' though he is unsure how long Amazon will take to bring its own direct-to-device satellites to market, citing Kuiper's long development timeline as a precedent.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:38

    Anpanman says Amazon's direct-to-device approach is a separate, proprietary bent-pipe-free network (unlike AST's MNO-integrated architecture), aimed at Amazon's own devices, IoT, robotics, and autonomous delivery, and potentially a future Amazon phone; he argues MNOs would be reluctant to partner with Amazon because its Kuiper home-internet service competes with carriers' fiber and 5G home businesses and because Amazon wants to control the customer relationship.

Iridium and the IoT Opportunity

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:32:04

    Anpanman describes Iridium as a niche resilient-communications provider with a growing PNT (position, navigation, timing) business that he says is not winner-take-all, since customers want multiple redundant PNT sources to guard against GPS jamming/spoofing, especially in defense and aviation.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:32:04

    Anpanman states Iridium has 2.4 million total subscribers, of which about 2 million are IoT devices and 402,000 are commercial voice/data subscribers, illustrating that the IoT opportunity is far larger than the consumer voice opportunity; he says these IoT customers often pay $50-100 per month for tracking/monitoring data.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:32:04

    Anpanman estimates AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile combined currently have about 84 million IoT devices, which he expects could grow 3-5x in the next few years, calling this a massive opportunity as the carriers ramp up IoT connectivity.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:32:04

    Anpanman notes Iridium's key constraint is only about 7.8 MHz of usable spectrum in a single channel with no dedicated uplink or downlink, requiring time-division sharing, limiting it to niche applications rather than broad commercial subscriber competition with Starlink-scale services.

Automotive Connectivity and the SpaceX-Tesla Stack

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:36:47

    Responding to Musk's weekend claim that every future car will be connected by Starlink, Anpanman argues this actually strengthens AST SpaceMobile's position, since automakers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Toyota, and BMW would view SpaceX/Starlink as effectively tied to a competitor, Tesla, and would eventually push SpaceX/Tesla toward a merger.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:38:14

    Anpanman frames SpaceX/Tesla as a vertically integrated 'stack' (AI via Grok, X for social/communications, chips, cars, robots, rockets, satellites, data centers) and argues AST SpaceMobile is the clear 'open alternative' for companies -- robotics makers, IoT device makers, government/military customers -- that don't want to rely on the SpaceX/Tesla ecosystem.

Rakuten J-LEO Award Confirmation

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:41:52

    Rakuten confirmed on its earnings call this morning that it received the roughly $1 billion J-LEO award to build a sovereign satellite constellation in Japan with AST SpaceMobile; the joint venture with AST has not yet been formalized, and the satellites will also be usable for AST service outside Japan once the constellation is built.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:41:52

    Anpanman relays that Rakuten is planning to start commercial (beta) service in Japan toward the end of this year, which requires more satellites to be launched.

Bluebird 14-16 Launch Update

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:42:38

    Based on his own due diligence rather than a company statement, Anpanman says Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 appear very close to shipping, will launch on a Falcon 9, and are likely to launch in mid-September 2026 or later rather than early September.

Audience Q&A

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:25

    Asked what analysts will ask on the earnings call, Anpanman guesses: (1) whether AST is in talks with T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom, (2) how Starlink Mobile's move into the terrestrial mobile business affects AST's strategic positioning and MNO conversations, and (3) launch-provider status, including new launch agreements, Blue Origin's return to launch, and how many additional Falcon 9 launches AST has purchased (which he expects the company to decline to disclose).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:25

    Asked whether AST will become a household name, Anpanman says he doesn't think so, and that this is a good thing -- the company's goal is reliable service delivered under carrier branding (e.g. 'Verizon Always Connected powered by AST SpaceMobile'), contrasting this with what he calls T-Mobile's strategic mistake of promoting the Starlink brand, which gave SpaceX free marketing instead of building T-Mobile's own halo effect.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:25

    Asked whether AST retains ownership of J-LEO satellites subsidized by Japan, Anpanman says he believes AST will be a minority joint-venture partner, will build the satellites and get paid, and will share in revenue from their use outside Japan, noting Rakuten CEO Mickey Tani (Anpanman's rendering) alluded to Rakuten wanting an economic cut from satellites used globally.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:25

    Asked whether the network can handle connectivity for many MNOs without throttling, Anpanman says yes, capacity scales by densifying the constellation; he notes the low-band constellation's initial use cases are lower-usage areas, while the planned mid-band constellation (using Ligado spectrum) will need to scale quickly since it will be deployed even in dense, high-usage areas nationwide.

Watch Items5

  • AST SpaceMobile earnings call and release

    After market close, today (August 10, 2026) Anpanman 00:00:02
  • Bluebird 14, 15, and 16 shipping and launch on Falcon 9

    Mid-September 2026 or later, per Anpanman's own due diligence (not confirmed by the company) Anpanman 00:42:38
  • Rakuten/AST J-LEO joint venture formalization

    Not yet formalized; expected to take some time Anpanman 00:41:52
  • Rakuten beta commercial service launch in Japan

    Targeted toward the end of this year (2026) Anpanman 00:41:52
  • Whether T-Mobile's T-Satellite webpage is removed, as a signal of the T-Mobile/Starlink relationship ending

    Ongoing, checked daily by Anpanman Anpanman 00:05:50

Open Questions5

  • Will AST SpaceMobile ever announce a definitive agreement with T-Mobile and/or Deutsche Telekom?

    Anpanman 00:43:25
  • Will AST SpaceMobile become a household name, or remain a behind-the-scenes provider branded under MNO names?

    Anpanman 00:43:25
  • What is the exact ownership and revenue-sharing structure between AST and Rakuten for satellites built under the J-LEO program, including whether Rakuten gets a cut when those satellites are used outside Japan?

    Anpanman 00:43:25
  • Can AST SpaceMobile's network handle connectivity demand across many MNOs simultaneously without throttling as adoption scales, particularly for the planned mid-band Ligado-spectrum constellation in dense areas?

    Anpanman 00:43:25
  • How many additional Falcon 9 launches has AST SpaceMobile purchased, and when will Blue Origin resume launching for AST?

    Anpanman 00:43:25
2026-08-10 1:03:55

AST SpaceMobile Q2 2026 Earnings Call

Abel Avellan · Scott Wisniewski · Andy Johnson · Max Kohlberg · Greg Pendi · Mike Crawford · Colin Canfield · Michael Funk · Chris Scholl · Louis DiPalma · Brian Kraft · Chris Quilty · Scott Searle

This episode is a rebroadcast of AST SpaceMobile's Q2 2026 business update call, published August 10, 2026. CEO Abel Avellan, President Scott Wisniewski, CFO/Chief Legal Officer Andy Johnson, and IR's Max Kohlberg present results, fielding both pre-submitted shareholder questions and live sell-side analyst questions. Neither recurring podcast host Anpanman nor Kook appears; this is a straight company earnings-call rebroadcast.

Q2 2026 revenue came in at $31.5 million, more than doubling Q1, and management reiterated full-year 2026 revenue guidance of $150-200 million. Pro forma cash and liquidity topped $3.7 billion after a $1.15 billion convertible note offering priced at a 1.625% coupon, the company's lowest ever. Contracted revenue backlog grew to approximately $1.3 billion, which Wisniewski said is mostly commercial today but expected to see government scale fastest.

Management said satellites are in production through BlueBird 46, with 14-16 ready to ship shortly, and reiterated a target of roughly 45 BlueBirds in orbit by early 2027. The company now counts over 60 MNO partners covering more than 3 billion subscribers, has 10 launches booked across two providers, and is expanding into new addressable markets including radar, IoT, AI edge compute, and sovereign satellite constellations like Japan's Rakuten-partnered J-LEO award.

The headline takeaway is a company in transition from buildout to commercialization, with a fortified balance sheet, a growing backlog, and management targeting revenue approaching $1 billion in its first full year of commercial service, expected in 2027.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile reported Q2 2026 revenue of $31.5 million, more than double Q1 2026, driven by commercial gateway deliveries and US government service milestone achievements.
  • The company reiterated full-year 2026 revenue guidance of $150-200 million, with revenue expected to grow sequentially each quarter and be weighted toward Q4.
  • Pro forma cash, cash equivalents and restricted cash reached more than $3.7 billion as of June 30, 2026, including proceeds from a July 2026 convertible note offering.
  • AST priced $1.15 billion of 1.625% convertible senior notes due 2034, its lowest coupon ever, with a capped call raising the effective conversion price to $149.20 per share and effective dilution described as less than 2%.
  • Contracted revenue backlog grew to approximately $1.3 billion; President Scott Wisniewski said a minority of the backlog is government-related today but that portion is expected to scale fastest going forward.
  • AST received 3 new US government contract awards during Q2 2026, with combined funded near-term value of more than $100 million expected across 2026 and 2027.
  • Satellite production and assembly is underway through BlueBird 46, with BlueBirds 14-16 described as ready to ship shortly.
  • AST's AST5000 ASIC chip is now in full production and is expected to help nearly double peak data speeds from the 98.9 Mbps already achieved on Block 1 satellites.
  • AST now counts over 60 mobile network operator partners covering more than 3 billion subscribers globally, up from prior counts in the 45-50 range.
  • The company reiterated a target of approximately 45 BlueBird satellites in orbit by early 2027, supported by 10 launches booked across two launch providers.
  • Average build cost per satellite, including launch, remains guided at $21-23 million across the planned constellation, described on this call as over 90 satellites.
  • AST has deployed over 3,000 of approximately 5,600 low-band cellular cells needed to cover the US, with the remainder targeted for deployment by the end of 2026.
  • AST disclosed a preliminary award, pending government approvals and final agreements, to participate with longtime partner Rakuten in Japan's Low Earth Orbit Sat Infrastructure Development Project (J-LEO/GLEO), worth up to approximately $1 billion in non-dilutive, non-debt government capital.
  • Executives outlined plans to expand into new markets including radar, IoT, AI edge compute, secure government communications, and sovereign satellite constellations, each framed as a potential multi-billion-dollar-per-year opportunity.
  • Scott Wisniewski said the new AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture does not affect AST's existing bilateral agreements and instead frees up potential third and fourth US carrier customers for AST.
  • Management reiterated a goal of revenue approaching $1 billion during AST's first full year of commercial service, which they expect to begin in 2027.

Detailed Discussion15 topics

Opening remarks and strategy

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  • Max Kohlberg Untagged 00:00:19

    Opened the call with the safe-harbor disclaimer, introducing Abel Avellan, Scott Wisniewski, and Andy Johnson, and framed the market opportunity as nearly 6 billion mobile phones globally with many people still lacking cellular broadband coverage.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:58

    Said AST's network is designed to extend and complement existing terrestrial MNO infrastructure into space rather than replace it, positioning the company in what he called 'a category of one' combining low-band and mid-band spectrum with broadband speeds and native cellular application support.

Spectrum strategy

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:03:30

    Said AST's satellite technology is capable of tuning approximately 1,150 MHz of low-band and mid-band spectrum (and C-band in the future), with a path to approximately 100 MHz of access in the United States combining MNO partner spectrum and AST's own spectrum access.

  • Abel Avellan Untagged 00:33:39

    Cited AST's spectrum and phased-array combination, supported by over 3,900 patents and patent-pending claims, as the company's 'fuel' advantage; later in shareholder Q&A he cited the patent figure as over 3,600 patent and patent-pending claims, an inconsistency between the two statements on the same call.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:51:31

    In analyst Q&A, said AST can tune close to 1,200 MHz of low-band/mid-band capacity per country, and that the roughly 100 MHz US figure comes from the Ligado spectrum acquisition plus MNO partner spectrum access; overseas access is being built country-by-country, including via the Vodafone European joint venture where 21 of the top 25 European operators have indicated interest.

Rakuten J-LEO award (Japan)

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:05:37

    Disclosed AST recently received an award, pending government approvals and final agreements, with longtime partner Rakuten for participation in Japan's Low Earth Orbit Sat Infrastructure Development Project (GLEO/J-LEO), with a total expected value of up to approximately $1 billion in non-dilutive, non-debt government capital.

  • Abel Avellan Speculation 00:38:55

    Answering an analyst question on what won AST the deal, said AST had the only platform demonstrating and delivering broadband capability today, an architecture that lets nations keep data and infrastructure management on the ground, and a multi-year partnership history with Rakuten.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 01:00:41

    Explained the Japan-flagged satellites are architecturally identical to the rest of the constellation and usable globally via the same gateway network; roughly half the investment capital for those satellites is non-dilutive and non-debt for global usage, with only a subset formally flagged as Japanese.

MNO partnerships and network deployment

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:06:26

    Said AST's commercial ecosystem now includes over 60 MNO partners covering over 3 billion subscribers globally, including AT&T, Verizon, Vodafone, Rakuten, STC Group, Bell Canada, and TELUS.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:06:26

    Said the US deployment includes over 3,000 low-band cellular cells already installed, with the remaining cells expected to be deployed this year to light up roughly 5,600 cellular cells covering the United States.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:11:32

    Said AST is actively engaged with more than 20 mobile network operators across over 50 country markets beyond the US, Canada, Europe, Japan, Saudi Arabia and the US government, working toward roughly 50 gateways across 20 markets, with network integration/testing already underway in Europe with Vodafone, Orange, Telefónica, Vodafone Ukraine, and Deutsche Telekom.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:42:09

    Said AST's existing bilateral agreements with AT&T and Verizon are unaffected by the new AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture, and that the JV actually frees up a potential third and fourth US carrier customer for AST since AST's network is carrier-agnostic.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:55:52

    Said AST plans to keep existing partner contracts as-is while expanding relationships both through the new US and European joint ventures and directly with each operator.

Satellite manufacturing and ASIC

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:07:27

    Said BlueBirds 14-16 are undergoing final testing with manufacturing assembly nearly complete, and the recently launched BlueBird 11-13 demonstrated AST's ability to rapidly and repeatedly build, launch, and deploy its largest phased arrays using advanced composite material.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:08:04

    Said the AST5000 ASIC chip is now in full production, expected to nearly double the peak data speed of 98.9 Mbps already achieved on in-orbit Block I satellites; the ASIC supports up to 10 gigahertz of processing bandwidth per satellite, roughly a 10x improvement over Block I, with a further 10x improvement expected over time via AI-enabled spectrum management.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:07:27

    Said the company is in various stages of production and assembly through BlueBird 46, which management said aligns with the spacecraft count needed for continuous coverage in key markets, using a 95% vertically integrated manufacturing strategy.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:20:50

    Confirmed BlueBirds 14-16 are ready to ship shortly, while BlueBird 17 through BlueBird 46 are in various stages of production and assembly, supporting a network deployment plan targeting approximately 45 BlueBird satellites in orbit by early 2027.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:41:49

    In analyst Q&A, said AST is producing microns at roughly 6 per month and is currently on micron 46; current microns are all low-band systems, with mid-band capability production starting later this year for launches beginning very early in 2027.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:49:53

    Said AI compute capability is starting to be added into satellites beginning with Satellite 47 and 48, later in the year.

Manufacturing facility expansion

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:08:40

    Said AST currently has over 500,000 square feet of manufacturing and operations space globally, including a dedicated micron production facility, and recently unveiled plans for an additional 400,000 square feet in Midland, Texas, bringing the global footprint to over 1 million square feet, with over 900,000 square feet in the US once complete.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:35:39

    Said AST is currently manufacturing at a rate of about 6 BlueBirds per month and wants to expand capacity via the additional 400,000 square feet to supply enough production for growing government and non-government applications and even larger future satellites.

Revenue backlog and government contracts

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:10:59

    Said the company increased its revenue backlog to approximately $1.3 billion in aggregated contracted revenue from partner agreements and US government contract awards.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:13:56

    Said AST drove revenue against several existing government contracts and received 3 new contract awards in the quarter, with funded near-term value of over $100 million total expected during 2026 and 2027, describing a trend of small development contracts scaling into larger programs of record; further public announcements on specific awards are planned.

  • Greg Pendi Untagged 00:40:14

    Asked how much of the $1.3 billion backlog is government-related.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:40:42

    Responded that a minority of the overall backlog is government, though the recent additions were primarily government, and said he expects the government portion to scale most significantly in the near term.

Total addressable market expansion

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:15:10

    Outlined plans to expand AST's TAM beyond direct-to-device using the same spacecraft and gateway architecture, citing government radar, secure communications to low-profile devices (handsets, radios, headsets, wearables, drones already showing broadband speeds over 100 Mbps), sovereign in-country dedicated constellations (citing the Japan J-LEO award), federal emergency/backup networks (citing Vodafone Ireland, FirstNet, and recent outages in Spain and Australia), IoT, and space-based AI edge compute; each was framed as a potential multi-billion-dollar annual-plus revenue opportunity.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:49:53

    Said these new TAM opportunities piggyback on AST's existing space and gateway architecture rather than requiring new infrastructure, citing satellite 46 currently in production and AI compute capability being added starting with satellites 47 and 48.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:58:05

    Confirmed the upper C-band is already built into AST's current ASIC architecture, and the company is working on a third-generation chip incorporating L-band MSS, mid-band, and C-band together.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:58:42

    Clarified that despite a single chip architecture, AST is keeping different phased arrays per spectrum block (low-band, mid-band, and future C-band), rather than collapsing designs.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:59:17

    Said the US government radar application uses government spectrum (not AST's own), taking advantage of AST's large phased array and satellite sensitivity, and is already a built and in-orbit capability for government use; the major radar application is in the lower spectrum bands.

Q2 2026 financial results and 2026 guidance

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:19:31

    Said AST achieved over $30 million in revenue in Q2, more than doubling Q1 revenue, driven by US government contract milestones and commercial infrastructure sales, and delivered 13 gateways to 7 customers across 5 continents in the quarter; reiterated full-year 2026 revenue guidance of $150-200 million.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:20:50

    Reported Q2 2026 revenue of $31.5 million, driven primarily by commercial gateway deliveries and US government service milestone achievements, and confirmed the company remains on track for full-year 2026 revenue guidance of $150-200 million.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:20:50

    Said revenue is expected to grow sequentially each quarter through 2026 but will likely be weighted toward Q4, so full-year performance is the best basis for evaluation; achievement remains contingent on satellite launch/deployment, gateway sales timing, and commercial service activation.

Operating expenses and CapEx guidance

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  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:23:09

    Reported Q2 2026 non-GAAP adjusted operating expenses of $119.1 million versus $91.2 million in Q1; adjusted opex excluding cost of revenue was $95.9 million versus $79.8 million in Q1, near the high end of the prior $85-95 million guidance, driven by workforce growth, expanded production facilities, professional fees, and AI-related investment.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:23:09

    Reported Q2 2026 capital expenditures of approximately $610 million versus $257 million in Q1, just below the midpoint of prior $575-650 million guidance, made up primarily of launch contract payments, capitalized BlueBird materials/labor, and facility/production equipment.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:23:09

    Guided Q3 2026 adjusted operating expenses (excluding cost of revenue) to approximately $105-115 million, and Q3 2026 capital expenditures to approximately $350-425 million, driven primarily by launch payment timing; guided full-year 2026 adjusted opex excluding cost of revenue to average approximately $100 million per quarter, or about $400 million total.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:48:10

    Reaffirmed average capital cost guidance, including direct materials and launch, of approximately $21-23 million per satellite for the constellation of over 90 BlueBird satellites, excluding certain initial validation satellites; said the range is subject to geopolitical fluctuation but the company hopes to bring costs down over time via launch-provider negotiations.

Convertible notes and balance sheet

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  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:30:33

    Said AST executed a $1.15 billion convertible debt transaction in July for 1.625% convertible senior notes due 2034, its lowest coupon ever, with a capped call raising the effective conversion price to $149.20 per share (above AST's all-time high trading price) and effective dilution described as less than 2%.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:30:33

    Said pro forma cash, cash equivalents and restricted cash as of June 30, 2026 (inclusive of the $1.15 billion convertible notes offering) was over $3.7 billion.

Shareholder Q&A

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:32:54

    Responding to a shareholder question on government revenue timing, said the government opportunity is expected to start scaling into a recurring multi-billion-dollar-a-year opportunity starting in 2027, citing over $100 million in recent contract awards as evidence of momentum.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:33:39

    Responding to a shareholder question on AST's spectrum ownership, said spectrum access combined with AST's large phased array and IP portfolio is what allows the company to multiply its TAM into seven additional new applications beyond core direct-to-device.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:35:39

    Responding to a shareholder question on the Texas manufacturing expansion, said the additional 400,000 square feet supports growth in government and non-government applications and larger future satellites supporting communications, radar, GPS, AI, cloud computing, and IoT.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:36:48

    Responding to a shareholder question on whether other countries will pursue their own FirstNet or J-LEO-style programs, said the J-LEO award is a proof point for how large countries think about controllable in-country communications infrastructure and expects this trend to play out multiple times in coming years, citing the 700 MHz band as a resiliency frequency relevant to the US, Europe, and Latin America.

Analyst Q&A: launch cadence, cost, and beta timeline

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  • Michael Funk Untagged 00:46:40

    Asked how many launches AST has contracted for the remainder of 2026 and 2027 with Blue Origin and other providers, and about vehicle stackability.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:47:12

    Said AST has 10 launches booked with 2 different providers, targeting a cadence of roughly every month or two on average, with launch-specific disclosure typically provided about 2 months in advance; noted Blue Origin has made progress rebuilding its pad and resolving the root cause of its prior anomaly and is targeting a return this year, but said AST is not counting on that in its own numbers, expecting a mix of launches to reach its initial 45 satellites by early 2027.

  • Louis DiPalma Untagged 00:52:36

    Asked how to model 2027 revenue given prior commentary about approaching $1 billion in the first full year of commercial service, alongside the $1.3 billion backlog.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:53:14

    Said the company still expects to approach $1 billion of revenue in its first full year of commercial service; for next year, government could contribute as much as half, with continued infrastructure revenue and commercial service revenue ramping into the balance as it comes online.

  • Louis DiPalma Untagged 00:54:01

    Asked about the timing of consumer beta trials, whether AT&T and Verizon have signaled when general customers can test the service, and what percentage of the day a satellite would be overhead with 25 satellites in orbit.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:54:53

    Said AST is targeting having the capability ready for consumers later in 2026, deferring go-to-market timing and structure to carrier partners; said the company has flexibility on how it runs beta beyond the historically cited 25-satellite threshold, and that with about 25 satellites, coverage would be roughly half the day.

Analyst Q&A: 2027 revenue building blocks and international government

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  • Colin Canfield Untagged 00:43:01

    Estimated 2027 revenue building blocks of roughly $100-200 million of gateway support, $100-200 million of US government support, and roughly $100 million of international government support, and asked about revenue recognition mechanics for commercial service with partial constellation deployment.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:43:49

    Said operators want the service now and AST is racing toward scaled beta and commercial rollout with as little as 45 satellites in orbit; said revenue recognition for commercial service should begin when commercial service begins next year, said gateway revenue should exceed $100 million, hoped government revenue would exceed the analyst's estimate, and said commercial service revenue should ramp quickly once started.

  • Colin Canfield Untagged 00:44:55

    Asked about the expected market structure for international government opportunities in Germany and the rest of Europe, customer appetite for multi-sourcing supply chains, and IRIS.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:45:25

    Said the defense market (comms and non-comms) is attractive to many parties, expects international governments to increasingly turn to larger scaled services like AST's over time, and pointed to the European MSS process prioritizing providers with European operations as a relevant trend, alongside strong partners like Rakuten in Japan and Vodafone in Europe.

Analyst Q&A: sovereign constellations and other opportunities

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  • Scott Searle Untagged 01:01:33

    Asked whether AST could provide color on other sovereign/dedicated constellation opportunities percolating globally, in terms of number, region, or timeline.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 01:01:49

    Declined to comment on specific opportunities but confirmed there are discussions with other parties, said he does not understand why a G20 country wouldn't want this kind of controllable communications capability given the price, and expects this trend to play out multiple times over time similar to what is seen in the Earth observation arena.

Watch Items10

  • Consumer beta service capability targeted, with go-to-market timing and structure deferred to carrier partners AT&T and Verizon

    later in 2026 Scott Wisniewski 00:54:53
  • Approximately 45 BlueBird satellites in orbit, enabling initial commercial service

    early 2027 Andy Johnson 00:20:50
  • Mid-band micron production start, with mid-band satellite launches to follow

    mid-band production starts later in 2026; launches begin very early 2027 Abel Avellan 00:41:49
  • Q3 2026 adjusted operating expense guidance of approximately $105-115 million (ex. cost of revenue)

    Q3 2026 Andy Johnson 00:23:09
  • Q3 2026 capital expenditure guidance of approximately $350-425 million

    Q3 2026 Andy Johnson 00:23:09
  • Revenue approaching $1 billion in AST's first full year of commercial service

    expected to begin in 2027 Scott Wisniewski 00:53:14
  • Government revenue scaling into a recurring multi-billion-dollar-a-year opportunity

    starting in 2027 Scott Wisniewski 00:32:54
  • AI edge compute capability added starting with Satellite 47 and 48

    later in 2026 Abel Avellan 00:49:53
  • Remaining low-band US cellular cells (of ~5,600 total) deployed

    by end of 2026 Abel Avellan 00:06:26
  • Blue Origin New Glenn targeted return to flight, not currently counted in AST's own launch numbers

    targeted this year (2026), per Blue Origin Scott Wisniewski 00:47:12

Open Questions5

  • How much of the $1.3 billion contracted revenue backlog is government versus commercial, beyond being described as 'a minority' government?

    Greg Pendi 00:40:14
  • Will Blue Origin's New Glenn return to flight within 2026, and how would that affect AST's launch cadence given AST says it is not counting on that timing in its own guidance?

    Michael Funk 00:46:40
  • What will the revenue-sharing structure look like between AST and the new AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture?

    Brian Kraft 00:55:52
  • Which other countries or regions might pursue their own sovereign J-LEO-style dedicated satellite constellations with AST, and on what timeline?

    Scott Searle 01:01:33
  • How exactly will 2027 revenue split between government, infrastructure/gateway, and commercial service revenue?

    Louis DiPalma 00:52:36
2026-08-08 31:07

Kook's Weekly - Is SpaceX Bluffing About Its T-Mobile Phone War?

Kook

This is a solo Kook's Weekly recap episode of the AST SpaceMobile Podcast, hosted entirely by Kook. It was recorded the week AST launched three more Block 2 BlueBird satellites and covers regulatory, partnership, and competitive news ahead of AST's Monday earnings call.

Kook recaps the successful launch of BlueBirds 11-13, noting Abel Avellan confirmed it was "nominal," and says the bear narrative has shifted from doubting AST's satellite production to doubting its launch cadence. He guesses the next launch lands sometime between early and late September 2026. He also highlights FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr's public push to clear regulatory hurdles for direct-to-cell, and notes AST's Jennifer Manner was named to the FCC's Technological Advisory Council.

Kook flags a tweeted Meta working session with AST in San Francisco as a possible sign a deal is finalized or near, and says AST received a Japan spectrum operating license this week, calling the J-LEO award to Rakuten and AST "99% confidence." He reports AST press materials confirming integration testing with Deutsche Telekom, T-Mobile's majority owner, and cites analyst Arne Lutzsch's finding that AST's partners now cover roughly 80% of Europe's mobile subscribers. He also argues SpaceX's floated terrestrial phone-carrier ambitions make little economic sense and says Viasat's earnings show legacy satellite operators losing share fast.

Kook frames these signals, especially the European coverage number and accelerating launch cadence, as building toward the market eventually recognizing ASTS as a winner-take-most story, with AST's Monday earnings call as the next major catalyst.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile successfully launched three more Block 2 BlueBird satellites (BlueBirds 11-13) the week before this episode, with Abel Avellan confirming the launch was "nominal."
  • Kook says the market's bear narrative has shifted from doubting AST's satellite production capacity to doubting its launch cadence, and he expects the next AST launch between early and late September 2026.
  • FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr publicly stated the FCC is "clearing the path" for direct-to-cell technology, including making spectrum available, which Kook reads as a positive signal for AST's pending Ligado and other spectrum approvals.
  • AST SpaceMobile's Jennifer Manner (SVP of regulatory affairs and international strategy) was selected to serve on the FCC's Technological Advisory Council.
  • A tweet from investor Vinod S. revealed a Meta/AST SpaceMobile working session at Meta's San Francisco offices covering product vision, go-to-market strategy, and technical integration; Kook speculates this type of workshop typically follows a strategic deal being finalized.
  • AST SpaceMobile received an operating license from Japan for the relevant satellite frequencies this week, which Kook views as a positive step toward finalizing the J-LEO joint venture with Rakuten, which he believes has already been effectively awarded.
  • Blue Origin's David Limp confirmed the May 2026 New Glenn pad anomaly was caused by a faulty liquid oxygen valve, and Blue Origin is retrofitting its other launch equipment.
  • Following SpaceX's first-ever public earnings call, sell-side firm Piper Sandler said it is "incrementally more confident" in ASTS, framing AST as a carrier-neutral partner versus SpaceX's carrier-antagonistic positioning.
  • An AST press release titled 'AST SpaceMobile accelerates presence across Europe with leading mobile network operators' disclosed that AST has begun integration testing with Deutsche Telekom, the 51% owner of T-Mobile.
  • European telecom analyst Arne Lutzsch ('Battery Commodity') calculated that AST SpaceMobile's mobile network operator partners collectively cover roughly 80% of European mobile subscribers.
  • Kook argues SpaceX's floated plans to build its own terrestrial mobile network make little business sense given the market's low growth and heavy capital intensity, and doubts the initiative is merely posturing to renegotiate with T-Mobile.
  • Viasat's latest earnings call was described (via co-host reference 'Tanner') as a 'dumpster fire,' with the company losing market share broadly and its Aquatis joint venture appearing effectively dead.
  • AST SpaceMobile's next quarterly earnings call was scheduled for the Monday following this episode, with Kook hoping for updates on launch visibility and new commercial deals.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

Launch Recap and Cadence

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:01:05

    Kook recaps last week's launch of three Block 2 BlueBird satellites, noting Anpanman attended in person with a group of about 35 people, and Abel Avellan quickly confirmed the launch was "nominal."

  • Kook Confirmed 00:02:32

    Kook says the market's bear narrative has shifted from questioning whether AST can produce satellites to whether it can launch them fast enough, noting the company has confirmed it is finalizing additional Bluebirds at the Midland factory ahead of shipment to Florida for the next launch.

  • Kook Speculation 00:02:32

    Kook spitballs that the next launch is likely no later than the end of September 2026 (his conservative/outside date), with early September as his more aggressive guess, noting other launches may be consuming range availability.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:03:46

    Kook notes Abel Avellan's launch press release described the platform as "designed to provide broadband for direct-to-device" but "increasingly serving as a platform for additional capabilities," which Kook reads as a deliberate hint about undisclosed, possibly proprietary or national-security-related, additional use cases the company can't fully detail.

Regulatory and Government Signals

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:05:38

    FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr said this week that the FCC is "clearing the path" for direct-to-cell technology, including making spectrum available and approvals moving forward, which Kook interprets as a positive signal for AST's pending Ligado spectrum approval and other spectrum leases.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:06:24

    Jennifer Manner, AST SpaceMobile's SVP of regulatory affairs and international strategy, was selected to serve on the FCC's Technological Advisory Council, which Kook frames as AST having "a seat at the table" in shaping government direct-to-device policy.

Market and Social Reaction to the Launch

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:07:35

    SpaceX tweeted "deployment of all 3 Bluebird satellites confirmed," drawing 1.4 million views, notably without naming AST SpaceMobile; Y Combinator president Gary Tan then reposted it, calling it "direct-to-phone broadband from orbit, no ground towers required... doing God's work."

Meta and Japan Signals

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  • Kook Speculation 00:09:21

    A tweet from investor Vinod S. described a "working session" between Meta and AST SpaceMobile at Meta's San Francisco offices covering end-to-end product vision, user experience, network architecture, go-to-market strategy, and technical integration; Kook, drawing on his own startup experience (an N of 1), speculates such multi-team workshops typically occur after a strategic deal has already been reached.

  • Kook Untagged 00:09:21

    Kook notes Meta had previously visited AST's Midland facility with its senior telecom infrastructure lead, adding context to the new Meta working-session news.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:11:11

    Kook says AST SpaceMobile received its license from Japan to operate in the relevant satellite frequencies this week, which he calls a positive step toward operationalizing the J-LEO program alongside AST's own service.

  • Kook Speculation 00:11:11

    Kook says he has "99% confidence" that the J-LEO award has effectively gone to Rakuten and AST SpaceMobile, framing it as potentially worth $1 billion of capital to the company, though he notes the deal still needs time to move through Japanese board processes before being formally finalized.

Blue Origin Update

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:13:19

    David Limp confirmed the New Glenn pad anomaly was caused by a faulty liquid oxygen valve, and Blue Origin is retrofitting its other launch equipment/boosters as a result, according to Kook.

SpaceX Earnings Call and Terrestrial MNO Ambitions

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  • Kook Untagged 00:16:05

    Following SpaceX's first-ever public earnings call, Tom Lee discussed "omni-connectivity" and an expanding total addressable market driven by AI edge demand, IoT devices, and machine-to-machine communication needs.

  • Kook Speculation 00:17:42

    Kook says SpaceX is exploring building out its own terrestrial mobile network but argues this makes little sense given the capital intensity, the low-growth, low-return nature of the MNO business, and the likelihood SpaceX would be the highest-cost new entrant in a saturated market.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:19:59

    Kook cites analyst Tim Farrar's theory that SpaceX's terrestrial MNO posturing is a negotiating tactic to extract a better/extended deal from T-Mobile, but Kook disagrees, arguing MNOs have little incentive to want a non-integrated, roaming-only SpaceX service from a company that is also a competitor.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:21:24

    Piper Sandler stated after the SpaceX call that it is "incrementally more confident" in ASTS, framing AST SpaceMobile as a carrier-neutral partner versus SpaceX's carrier-antagonistic positioning.

Europe: Deutsche Telekom and Subscriber Coverage

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:22:02

    An AST SpaceMobile press release titled "AST SpaceMobile accelerates presence across Europe with leading mobile network operators" disclosed that AST has begun integration testing with Deutsche Telekom, which owns 51% of T-Mobile; Kook notes the timing, coming right after SpaceX's public overtures toward T-Mobile, appears pointed.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:24:05

    European telecom analyst Arne Lutzsch ('Battery Commodity') calculated that, counting only the European mobile subscribers of AST's MNO partners, AST SpaceMobile's addressable coverage reaches roughly 80% of the European market.

  • Kook Speculation 00:24:05

    Kook frames the 80% European coverage figure as evidence of a 'winner-take-most' market dynamic, comparing it to Nvidia's early GPU business before the market recognized its AI trajectory, and estimates a similar epiphany for ASTS could play out over a 1-2 year timeframe.

  • Kook Speculation 00:24:05

    Kook notes AST could plausibly have launched roughly 9 satellites within about 3 months given recent cadence, encouraging investors not to underestimate how quickly the buildout toward the 45-satellite target could progress.

Competitive Landscape: Viasat

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:27:32

    Referencing co-host 'Tanner's' review of Viasat's earnings call, Kook says Viasat is losing market share broadly, calling the quarter a 'dumpster fire,' and that Viasat's joint venture Aquatis appears effectively dead after being mentioned zero times in the latest shareholder letter versus ten times the prior quarter.

Looking Ahead to Earnings

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  • Kook Untagged 00:29:02

    Kook previews AST SpaceMobile's earnings call scheduled for the following Monday, saying he hopes for updates on production cadence, launch visibility, and new commercial deals that could help "inflect the perception" of the stock; he notes he will be traveling but plans to listen if possible.

Watch Items2

  • AST SpaceMobile's next quarterly earnings call

    Monday (following this episode) Kook 00:29:02
  • AST SpaceMobile's next satellite launch

    Kook's estimate: early September 2026 (aggressive) to end of September 2026 (conservative) Kook 00:02:32

Open Questions3

  • Whether the Meta working session in San Francisco signals a finalized strategic deal between Meta and AST SpaceMobile or one still in progress.

    Kook 00:09:21
  • Whether SpaceX's floated terrestrial MNO ambitions are a genuine business plan or posturing to renegotiate/extend its deal with T-Mobile.

    Kook 00:19:59
  • Whether the Deutsche Telekom integration-testing disclosure is a preview of bigger commercial news to come on AST's Monday earnings call.

    Kook 00:22:02
2026-08-08 1:54:05

The Kook Report - The $ASTS DD

Kook

Kook of the AST SpaceMobile podcast hosted this solo episode, reading his full "$ASTS DD" due-diligence deck live while waiting for AST SpaceMobile's Batch 2 Falcon 9 launch. Co-host Anpanman attended the launch in person in Orlando.

Kook walks through his investment thesis, arguing ASTS is a winner-take-most business protected by commercial, patent, and regulatory barriers to entry. He credits founder Abel Avellan's telecom background and the "super wholesale" model for solving prior satellite companies' go-to-market failures.

He recounts near-death-spiral financing risk from ASTS's early years, describes the cap table shifting toward institutional holders, and lays out valuation regimes from distressed option up to an unrealized "winner-take-most" tier above $150. He compares ASTS's beamforming and ground-based architecture favorably to Starlink, and reviews the Ligado spectrum deal, Golden Dome, and AI-data-center-in-space upside.

Kook's headline conclusion is that ASTS has resolved nearly every major risk it once faced, leaving market size as the last open question, and he signs off as AST SpaceMobile's live launch webcast begins.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook solo-hosted this episode, reading through his personal AST SpaceMobile due-diligence ("DD") deck live while waiting for AST SpaceMobile's Batch 2 Falcon 9 launch, with co-host Anpanman attending the launch in person in Orlando instead.
  • Kook opened by honoring the memory of Steve Larison, a community member he credits alongside Katzi and Anpanman with helping develop early conviction in the ASTS investment thesis.
  • Kook's investment thesis rests on ASTS being a 'winner-take-most' business with commercial, intellectual-property, and regulatory barriers to entry, enabled by a 'super wholesale' model that avoids the go-to-market failure of prior satellite phone companies which had to sell both a device and a service.
  • Kook describes AST SpaceMobile founder Abel Avellan as a serial telecom entrepreneur who previously founded and sold a satellite company, and credits him with securing the support of tower companies, spectrum owners, and handset makers needed to build ASTS.
  • Kook frames the investment as having resolved a series of 'if' statements (does the technology work, will regulators approve it, is financing available, will MNO deals happen) to 'yes,' leaving market size as the main remaining uncertainty.
  • Kook recounts personally living through a near 'death spiral' as an early ASTS investor, driven by financing risk and a shrinking liquidity runway, which he calls the most acute risk of the entire investment.
  • Kook says AST SpaceMobile's cap table has shifted from mostly thin retail ownership toward strategic and long-only institutional holders, while founder Abel Avellan still retains a large economic and supervoting ownership stake.
  • Kook observes that ASTS stock historically rallies into satellite launches because the market treats launches as operational de-risking events even though a launch itself is binary risk, citing the BlueBird 7 New Glenn loss as an example of the stock recovering within days.
  • Kook lays out four stock valuation 'regimes' for ASTS -- distressed option, limited-success, a cautiously optimistic $100-150 range, and an unrealized 'winner-take-most' regime he pegs above $150 -- and says the market moves between them based on sentiment and news flow.
  • Kook's own model assumes ASTS could generate at least $10 billion of revenue, and he argues buying the stock at roughly 1-3x that future revenue looks like a good risk-reward, while stressing this is not a directive to buy.
  • Kook compares ASTS's beamforming favorably to Starlink's, arguing ASTS delivers focused, high-power beams versus Starlink's broader, less precise pattern, and that ASTS needs far fewer satellites -- about 50 for initial coverage and 250-500 for a full constellation -- versus a Starlink constellation measured in the thousands.
  • Kook argues ASTS's ground-based ('bent pipe') processing architecture preserves data sovereignty for partner countries and militaries, unlike Starlink's space-based processing, which routes user data through Starlink's own network rather than the local carrier's core.
  • Kook contrasts AST SpaceMobile's Ligado spectrum deal with SpaceX's roughly $20 billion spectrum purchase, arguing ASTS secured favorable terms because its beamforming technology is uniquely able to monetize the otherwise-idle Ligado L-band spectrum.
  • Kook highlights the Golden Dome and broader U.S. government/defense opportunity as a validated, no-longer-hypothetical revenue stream for AST SpaceMobile, alongside speculative future upside from potentially hosting AI data centers in space.
  • Kook reviews AST SpaceMobile's regulatory history and argues FCC/regulatory risk has fallen to near zero after years of contested proceedings, closing the episode as AST SpaceMobile's live launch webcast begins.

Detailed Discussion23 topics

Introduction and Tribute to Steve Larison

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  • Kook Untagged 00:01:02

    Kook explains he is reading the entire ASTS DD live while waiting for the launch countdown, since most listeners have never actually read the full deck; he plans to switch over to the live launch webcast once it begins.

  • Kook Untagged 00:01:02

    Kook says he felt too unwell and travel-worn to attend the launch in person in Orlando this time, so Anpanman went instead; the two try to always have at least one host attend in person.

  • Kook Untagged 00:01:02

    Kook dedicates the DD to the memory of Steve Larison, who along with Katzi and Anpanman helped develop early conviction in the ASTS investment by pushing each other to think critically about the company.

Investment Thesis and De-Risking Story

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  • Kook Untagged 00:01:02

    Kook frames ASTS's elevator pitch as connecting an ordinary phone anywhere, illustrating the value with an anecdote from Lloyd Blankfein's book Streetwise about the stress of being unreachable for 12-hour flights before in-flight Wi-Fi existed.

  • Kook Speculation 00:01:02

    Kook's investment thesis is that ASTS is a revolutionary, scalable, defensible business with a large commercial market; he says investors who bought ahead of de-risking events sometimes get compensated, but sometimes the payoff is only clear in hindsight.

  • Kook Speculation 00:01:02

    Kook says the most recent major de-risking event was the mid-June Batch 1 launch of the composite satellites, which proved the go-forward Block 2 technology works in space, even though commercial operations haven't started yet.

  • Kook Untagged 00:01:02

    Kook stresses the importance of writing down an explicit investment thesis so that 'thesis drift' -- deviation from the original reasons for owning a stock -- gives a clear signal to sell.

Winner-Take-Most Positioning and Barriers to Entry

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  • Kook Speculation 00:01:02

    Kook argues ASTS benefits from several reinforcing barriers to entry rare in an early-stage company: commercial barriers, a large patent/IP portfolio, and regulatory barriers, and that the investment industry historically overlooked space until SpaceX's rise.

  • Kook Speculation 00:01:02

    Kook says the 'super wholesale' business model -- working with any existing device rather than requiring a dedicated satellite phone -- solves the go-to-market inefficiency that killed prior satellite ventures like Iridium.

  • Kook Speculation 00:01:02

    Kook believes ASTS could be among the fastest businesses ever to scale to 100 million and potentially a billion users, calling this a 'pretty sexy stat' if it proves true, though he frames it as unproven belief rather than fact.

Founder Background: Abel Avellan

2
  • Kook Untagged 00:14:59

    Kook says AST SpaceMobile was founded in 2017 by Abel Avellan, a serial telecom entrepreneur who had previously sold a satellite company after recognizing it had become a low-quality commodity business.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook argues Avellan's ability to win the backing of tower companies, spectrum owners, and handset owners -- without whom the company would not be possible -- signals he was viewed as an unusually capable team-builder and executor.

De-Risking Milestones and Remaining Risk

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says his original investment depended on a series of 'if' statements -- does the technology work, will regulators approve it, is financing available, will the constellation get built, will MNO deals happen -- that outside experts overwhelmingly believed would resolve to 'no.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook believes those if-statements have now resolved to 'yes' across technology, regulation, and financing, leaving essentially one big remaining if: whether direct-to-device satellite becomes a large market.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says SpaceX's own stock market valuation and its stated ambition to become an MNO are evidence the broader market believes direct-to-device is a big opportunity, which he reads as favorable context for ASTS.

Consensus View vs. Variant Perception

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says the consensus view a year or two ago was that satellite ventures have historically been plagued by financial distress, and that most people stopped their analysis there without considering changes in the business model, launch costs, and consumer demand.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says his near-term watch items are the J-LEO announcement (which he calls a billion-dollar deal), continued launch-cadence pacing that could compress to roughly once a month, and larger contracts like Golden Dome and FirstNet that could shift market perception of the company.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says the ultimate driver of value is how much revenue the company generates over time, and that whether ASTS supports a $100 billion, $250 billion, or trillion-dollar market cap is unknown but no longer an unreasonable question given how scalable infrastructure companies can achieve winner-take-most outcomes.

Lessons Learned: SPACs and the Death Spiral

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  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says SPACs are brutal to invest through because of a weak shareholder base, no institutional ownership, and extreme volatility, and that the transition from R&D experiment to operating company took a long time and was very hard.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook describes personally living through a near death spiral, where launch/technology delays caused investors to worry about liquidity runway, which repriced the cost of capital and made the runway problem worse -- despite this being the exact risk he had warned the company about in advance.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook identifies technology risk, execution risk, regulatory risk, and financing risk as the compound risks he took on, calling financing risk the real killer because it drives enterprise-value leakage once investors worry about the liquidity runway.

Cap Table and Ownership

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says the cap table now includes strategics and long-only institutional holders at the top of the table, a shift from earlier years when the stock was viewed as 'toxic waste' by de-SPAC-wary institutions and traded on thin retail volume.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook notes founder Abel Avellan still holds a large economic and voting ownership stake despite the company's capital intensity, which he interprets as a sign the company financed itself well rather than diluting the founder excessively.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook estimates roughly $1 trillion of capital in the telecom coverage universe could flow into ASTS as it gains traction and results, a figure he says is now closer to $3 trillion once SpaceX is included, not counting other space companies like Rocket Lab.

How ASTS Stock Trades Into Launches

4
  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says he invested dramatically early and watched the stock grind lower for three to four years before a revaluation moment, illustrating that some stocks require waiting a large fraction of a decade for the market to recognize their value.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook recalls being paranoid ahead of the BlueWalker 3 launch, worried launch itself was pure risk, until Anpanman pointed out the market actually likes launches because they represent operational de-risking; analysis of comparable stocks confirmed this pattern held.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says the stock has consistently rallied into and around successful launches (Block 2, the current Batch 2), and that even after the BlueBird 7 New Glenn failure, the stock recovered within days, a pattern he expects to repeat faster after any future mishap.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook lays out four valuation regimes the stock has moved through: a distressed-option regime pricing only spectrum/balance-sheet/technology NAV, a 'limited success' regime, a cautiously optimistic $100-150 regime reflecting comfort with execution, and an unrealized winner-take-most regime above $150 tied to government deals and full execution.

Sell-Side Estimates and Valuation Regimes

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  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says he tracks sell-side estimates (citing Deutsche Bank) mainly as a sanity check on operational metrics and market-share-to-revenue translation rather than as precise forecasts, and notes estimates fell as the market absorbed prior delays before typically rising again as forecasts look further out.

Corporate Governance and Abel's Control

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says ASTS has a controlling shareholder in Abel Avellan, which he frames as either terrible or great governance depending on whether you trust the founder to make difficult long-term decisions insulated from short-term Wall Street pressure, citing Google's YouTube purchase and Meta's WhatsApp purchase as historical parallels.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook views ASTS's board favorably, saying its members can open doors, inspire regulator and customer confidence, and attract talent rather than being merely 'shiny names.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says Abel Avellan is an owner-operator aligned with shareholders since AST SpaceMobile is effectively his own investment vehicle and he is the largest common shareholder.

Business Model and Monetization

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says ASTS monetizes through MNO partners who bear customer-acquisition costs (e.g., AT&T advertising the service), which ASTS captures indirectly through revenue share rather than paying CAC directly.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says his own pricing model uses conservative per-gigabit assumptions, but he believes actual pricing will likely exceed his model because the service is scarce, premium, and can be segmented across billions of consumers globally for value-based pricing.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:59

    Kook says he originally modeled spectral efficiency at 2 bits per hertz, but believes the company has 'recently been blasting past that,' citing roughly 10 bits per hertz at peak data rates, which he says makes him uncertain how much further the technology has advanced beyond his own model.

Modeling the Market Opportunity

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  • Kook Speculation 01:16:08

    Kook models subscriber counts using only AT&T and Verizon (deliberately excluding T-Mobile, which he believes ASTS will eventually win), applying assumed attach rates and a roughly $10 ARPU to bridge to a range of $10 billion to $40 billion of potential revenue.

  • Kook Speculation 01:16:08

    Kook says if ASTS were already priced at a $1 trillion market cap he would not own the stock, but believes the company can plausibly do at least $10 billion of revenue, making ownership at roughly 1-3x that revenue an attractive risk-return in his view.

  • Kook Speculation 01:16:08

    Kook says he personally can see a path to a $250-$500 stock price 'pretty soon,' but frames this explicitly as his own thinking rather than a buy recommendation.

Financing the Company

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  • Kook Speculation 01:16:08

    Kook says whether the company can finance itself was long one of the most important questions for the market, and that he took the view, largely out of desperation at the bottom, that 'good projects find money' -- a view that proved correct on outcome but not on his pricing/timing expectations.

  • Kook Untagged 01:16:08

    Kook explains that convertible bonds are dilutive in practice even before conversion, because convertible-bond arbitrageurs borrow and sell stock to hedge, increasing effective supply and pressuring the share price on issuance.

  • Kook Speculation 01:16:08

    Kook says he expected more non-dilutive prepayments from partners than the company has actually received, and is unsure whether partners offered less than expected or whether the company deliberately chose to fund itself and retain better long-term revenue shares instead.

  • Kook Speculation 01:16:08

    Kook argues that a company stating it is 'fully financed' for one target (e.g., 65 satellites) is not inconsistent with later raising more money to fund a larger ambition (e.g., 100, then 243, then 500 satellites), and cautions against being overly fixated on dilution as a result.

JVs, Sovereignty, and the J-LEO Deal

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  • Kook Speculation 01:16:08

    Kook says countries increasingly want sovereignty over satellite constellations rather than relying on the U.S. or on Elon Musk, but that it is logistically and economically infeasible for each country to build its own constellation, creating demand for AST SpaceMobile's flexible JV structures with local kill-switch control.

  • Kook Speculation 01:16:08

    Kook cites the Saudi Telecom (stc) deal as ASTS's first legitimate revenue backlog, with $1 billion of minimum contracted revenue and a $175 million upfront prepayment, calling it a meaningful data point given Saudi Arabia is not a particularly large country.

  • Kook Speculation 01:16:08

    Kook says he is 'anxiously awaiting' a possible definitive agreement with T-Mobile, which he describes as 'looking increasingly certain.'

  • Kook Speculation 01:16:08

    Kook describes the J-LEO structure as potentially allowing ASTS to sell satellites to the Japan JV for roughly $1 billion onto its own balance sheet while retaining economic use of those satellites across the rest of the world outside Japan, though he says he isn't sure exactly how it will be structured.

Technology: Beamforming and Satellite Architecture

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  • Kook Untagged 01:16:08

    Kook frames the core technical 'problem statement' as needing a very large phased array to overcome the low transmit power of an ordinary cell phone, requiring a big antenna that is both cost-effective to launch and durable enough to survive space.

  • Kook Untagged 01:16:08

    Kook describes the satellites' 'tuna can' packaging that unfurls like a jack-in-the-box once in orbit, and says the company has learned a great deal about heat dissipation relevant to potential future AI-data-center applications in space.

  • Kook Speculation 01:16:08

    Kook says an ASTS satellite carries roughly 2,400 square feet of phased array (about 40,000 elements) versus a next-generation, not-yet-launched Starlink satellite's 10,000-12,000 elements operating at higher, non-low-band frequencies.

ASTS vs. Starlink Comparison

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  • Kook Speculation 01:16:08

    Kook says ASTS delivers precise, high-power beamforming ('a high-powered rifle') compared to Starlink's broader, less targeted pattern ('shooting shotguns'), based on FCC filing data he attributes to community analyst Katzi's early work.

  • Kook Speculation 01:16:08

    Kook argues ASTS can do full broadband voice, video, and data natively integrated with an MNO's network using roughly 50 satellites for initial continuous coverage and 250-500 for a full constellation, versus a Starlink constellation he says is measured in the thousands and currently limited mainly to text/data.

  • Kook Speculation 01:16:08

    Kook says ASTS's ground-based ('bent pipe') processing preserves data sovereignty and integrates seamlessly with a phone as a native network extension, whereas Starlink's space-based processing routes data through Starlink's own network and appears to the phone as a roaming network, which he says can affect battery drain and user/MNO satisfaction.

  • Kook Speculation 01:47:41

    Kook says FCC filings show SpaceX's system lacks strong beamforming, requiring 100-kilometer interference buffer zones around country borders that make it difficult or impossible to serve smaller, border-dense regions like Hungary without spamming neighboring countries' spectrum -- a limitation he says does not apply to ASTS.

  • Kook Speculation 01:47:41

    Kook argues ASTS holds several durable technical moats over Starlink: superior beamforming, an unfurling mechanism that fits a large array into existing rockets (versus Starlink's dependence on Starship working), an early-completed AST5000 ASIC chip, and deep integration with MNO network cores.

Ligado Spectrum Deal vs. SpaceX's Spectrum Buy

3
  • Kook Speculation 01:17:44

    Kook says ASTS aggregates spectrum three ways: from MNO partners in return for revenue share, through creative corporate deals like the Ligado acquisition, and via government grants that vary by country.

  • Kook Speculation 01:17:44

    Kook says SpaceX paid over $20 billion for its spectrum, while he believes ASTS struck a comparatively favorable Ligado deal because ASTS's unique beamforming technology is the only system that can turn the otherwise low-value Ligado spectrum into high commercial value.

  • Kook Speculation 01:17:44

    Kook shares his own back-of-envelope estimate that the Ligado spectrum could be worth roughly $30 billion, sanity-checked against implied per-megahertz valuations embedded in AT&T's and Verizon's market caps.

Government Opportunity and Golden Dome

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  • Kook Speculation 01:17:44

    Kook says the government opportunity, including Golden Dome, is no longer hypothetical -- ASTS now has demonstrated government traction -- though the ultimate size of future contracts remains unknown; he says a large military contract worth hundreds of millions of dollars would be strongly validating for the stock's valuation multiple.

  • Kook Speculation 01:17:44

    Kook says community analyst Katzi has observed ASTS's ITU-filed sun-synchronous orbital 'shells,' which hint at government/military use cases not always explicitly announced by the company.

  • Kook Speculation 01:17:44

    Kook says position-navigation-and-timing (PNT) government applications alone could be worth billions of dollars, and that government opportunities are additive/stacking rather than mutually exclusive with the commercial business.

  • Kook Speculation 01:17:44

    Kook lists additional potential non-dilutive government funding sources including the 5G Fund for Rural America, military grants, and FirstNet, though he says these are increasingly less important to the stock given the company's current balance sheet.

AI Data Centers in Space

2
  • Kook Speculation 01:17:44

    Kook says he is evaluating whether ASTS could become the platform ('the AWS') for AI data centers in space, viewing it as a potential source of significant additional upside beyond his original telecom-only thesis, but stresses this is speculative and not yet explicitly valued in his model.

  • Kook Speculation 01:17:44

    Kook argues the company's proven ability to build and launch large satellites at increasing scale demonstrates it 'can build' toward an AI-data-center use case, even though the actual market for space-based AI compute remains rapidly evolving and uncertain.

Launch Capacity and Regulatory History

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  • Kook Speculation 01:17:44

    Kook says the market's concern shifted from satellite production capability to launch cadence and capacity after Blue Origin's quality-control issues in the spring, though he notes ASTS is launch-agnostic with agreements across SpaceX, Blue Origin, ISRO, and other providers including newer entrants like Relativity and Stoke.

  • Kook Speculation 01:17:44

    Kook says he believes ASTS has roughly five Falcon 9 launches booked but is not fully certain there aren't more, and that Blue Origin is expected to return to the pad, giving him confidence in long-term launch visibility even amid near-term bridge-period uncertainty.

  • Kook Speculation 01:47:41

    Kook says regulatory risk has effectively fallen to zero now that ASTS has received FCC approval, after years of contested proceedings where he says short sellers and skeptics repeatedly claimed approval would not happen.

Competitive Landscape and Historical Failures

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  • Kook Speculation 01:47:41

    Kook contrasts satellite-spectrum-based competitors (global but high-frequency, limiting indoor use and throughput) against ASTS's hybrid approach of pairing satellite spectrum with terrestrial MNO spectrum, which he calls the only approach of its kind.

  • Kook Speculation 01:47:41

    Kook argues Starlink is fundamentally a competitor to full-service MNOs like AT&T rather than to ASTS directly, because MNOs view SpaceX as 'carrier-adversarial' rather than carrier-neutral, positioning ASTS instead as an 'arms dealer' to the world's MNOs.

  • Kook Untagged 01:47:41

    Kook reviews historical satellite ventures like Teledesic, ICO, and Skybridge (mostly unrealized 'paper constellations') plus bankrupt-and-reorganized Iridium and Globalstar, attributing their failures to dedicated-device requirements, lack of vertical integration, and reliance on prime contractors like Boeing that led to costly change orders.

  • Kook Speculation 01:47:41

    Kook notes ASTS and SpaceX share vertical integration as a key commonality that other failed satellite ventures lacked, even though building an aerospace production line while simultaneously developing the technology ('production hell') causes many investors to give up too early.

Sign-Off and Live Launch

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  • Kook Untagged 01:47:41

    Kook notes AST SpaceMobile's own launch webcast began right as he reached his final slide, joking that Scott Wisniewski might be listening and cutting him off, and wraps the episode wishing the team a successful mission.

Watch Items5

  • J-LEO (Japan sovereign satellite) deal announcement, which Kook describes as a roughly billion-dollar deal

    a couple of months out, in Kook's estimation Kook 00:14:59
  • Continued compression of AST SpaceMobile's launch cadence, potentially to about once a month

    ongoing, near-term Kook 00:14:59
  • Larger government/defense contracts such as Golden Dome and FirstNet that could re-rate market perception of the company

    not specified Kook 00:14:59
  • A possible definitive commercial agreement (DA) with T-Mobile

    not specified, described as 'looking increasingly certain' Kook 01:16:08
  • AST SpaceMobile's live Batch 2 Falcon 9 launch webcast, occurring during the recording

    same night as the episode recording Kook 01:47:41

Open Questions5

  • Will the market's eventual resolution of ASTS's true ARPU and monetization path land the stock near $250-$2,500, or resolve down toward a much lower value like $20?

    Kook 01:16:08
  • Why has AST SpaceMobile relied less on non-dilutive partner prepayments than Kook originally expected -- were prepayments less available, or did the company choose equity/converts to retain better long-term revenue shares?

    Kook 00:14:59
  • Will AST SpaceMobile sign a definitive commercial agreement with T-Mobile?

    Kook 01:16:08
  • How will the AI-data-centers-in-space opportunity actually develop, and could it become a major additional driver of ASTS's total addressable market?

    Kook 01:17:44
  • How many Falcon 9 launches does AST SpaceMobile actually have booked beyond the roughly five Kook believes are contracted?

    Kook 01:47:41
2026-08-07 47:28

AST SpaceMobile x Deutsche Telekom - Europe conquered

Anpanman

This episode of the AST SpaceMobile Podcast features solo host Anpanman reacting same-day to news that Satellite Connect Europe, the AST/Vodafone joint venture, has begun integration and testing with Deutsche Telekom alongside its existing European carrier partners.

Deutsche Telekom publicly acknowledged AST SpaceMobile by name for the first time on its own earnings call the same day, and executives cast doubt on EchoStar's ability to secure 2 GHz S-band spectrum in the EU as its Starlink acquisition moves through regulatory review. Anpanman also walks through the SpaceX lockup expiry, arguing the sell-off is already priced in and institutions will use the liquidity event to add to small existing positions.

He frames Deutsche Telekom's move as implying an eventual T-Mobile relationship, since Deutsche Telekom controls T-Mobile, and speculates AST could reach 70-80% of EU mobile connections by adding Deutsche Telekom to its European partner roster. He also covers public-safety, NATO/defense, and Satellite Connect Europe's ownership structure relative to EU spectrum rules.

Anpanman's headline conclusion is that AST SpaceMobile is on the verge of locking up both the US and EU wireless markets, though he cautions the market has not priced this in yet and urges patience without margin or options.

Key Takeaways

  • Satellite Connect Europe, the joint venture between AST SpaceMobile and Vodafone, has begun integration and testing with Deutsche Telekom alongside its existing European carrier partners, per a same-day press release.
  • Deutsche Telekom acknowledged AST SpaceMobile publicly by name for the first time on its earnings call the same day, alongside a mention of Amazon's LEO ambitions.
  • On the Deutsche Telekom earnings call, executives suggested EchoStar (being acquired by SpaceX/Starlink) may face difficulty obtaining 2 GHz S-band spectrum in the EU, or may receive a smaller allocation than desired, due to shifting EU political winds.
  • Host Anpanman does not yet consider this a commercial agreement with Deutsche Telekom, only an initial testing/integration step, but believes a commercial deal is a matter of when, not if.
  • Anpanman argues SpaceX's roughly 90 billion-share lockup expiry is largely priced into SpaceX's stock, which trades near $110, below its $135 IPO offering price and well off its $220 high.
  • Anpanman estimates SpaceX's real-time short interest at approximately 298-300 million shares, which he characterizes as approaching 50% of the float.
  • Anpanman states large institutions such as Fidelity (1.6% stake, about 124 million shares) and Baron Capital (0.78%) hold only fractional-percent positions in SpaceX post-IPO and are expected to add to those positions once lockup shares become available.
  • Space sector companies Redwire, Satellogic, and BlackSky reported good quarterly results, which Anpanman says helped sentiment across the sector.
  • Deutsche Telekom owns 54% economic ownership of, and fully controls, T-Mobile, which Anpanman says means a Deutsche Telekom move toward AST implies an eventual T-Mobile relationship.
  • Deutsche Telekom and Starlink signed an MOU to work together in March 2026, about five months before this episode's testing announcement with Satellite Connect Europe.
  • Using an AI-assisted estimate, Anpanman calculates that adding Deutsche Telekom would give AST SpaceMobile coverage over roughly 70-80% of EU mobile connections, and 80-90% of subscribers in certain major EU countries — this is Anpanman's own extrapolation, not company-stated guidance.
  • Anpanman speculates that under current EU spectrum-eligibility rules, Satellite Connect Europe's ownership may need to shift so Vodafone holds 51% and AST holds 49% in order to qualify for a European spectrum allocation.
  • A Bloomberg article roughly two weeks prior reported that Satellite Connect Europe is well positioned to receive a 2 GHz spectrum allocation in Europe.
  • Anpanman states that Amazon's newly filed roughly 5,000-satellite Globalstar-based constellation adopts a Starlink-style separate roaming network architecture rather than the current Globalstar bent-pipe design, which he argues creates the same fundamental conflict with MNOs that Starlink has.
  • Anpanman says Starlink is reportedly working with roughly 20-22 mobile network operators globally, some of which, like Globe Telecom in the Philippines, also have non-exclusive relationships with AST SpaceMobile.

Detailed Discussion13 topics

Deutsche Telekom testing announcement

3
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:36

    AST SpaceMobile announced it has started integration and testing with a number of European carriers it already works with, and the major new piece of news is that it is now also working with Deutsche Telekom.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:36

    This does not mean AST has a commercial agreement with Deutsche Telekom yet; it is an initial testing step, and Anpanman expects a commercial agreement to eventually follow.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:36

    Deutsche Telekom also acknowledged AST SpaceMobile by name on its earnings call today, which Anpanman says is the first time Deutsche Telekom has publicly done so.

SpaceX lockup expiry and market dynamics

9
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:53

    Media and hedge fund commentary warned that today's SpaceX lockup expiry would bring roughly 90 billion shares to market, but SpaceX stock has already traded 98 billion shares, and Anpanman argues the expiry is largely priced in.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:53

    SpaceX stock trades around $110, below its $135 IPO offering price, and had hit a high of $220.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:53

    Anpanman personally does not expect SpaceX stock to fall much further due to the lockup expiry itself, though he says he could be wrong.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:53

    The SpaceX decline has dragged down the broader space sector including AST and Rocket Lab, as some traders treat the whole sector as a proxy trade on SpaceX (long SpaceX/short other names).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:00

    As of yesterday, SpaceX's real-time short interest was approximately 298-300 million shares, which he estimates is approaching 50% of the float.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:00

    Institutions that participated in SpaceX's IPO (Fidelity, T. Rowe, Invesco, Vanguard, Massachusetts Financial, Jennison, ARK, etc.) only received small toehold positions since just 5% of the company was sold, and are expected to add to positions once lockup liquidity becomes available.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:04:00

    Baron Capital holds 0.78% of SpaceX; Fidelity holds 1.6% (about 124 million shares) and may also hold additional private shares not reflected in the holders list. Fidelity's mandate allows up to 15% ownership for high-conviction positions, though Anpanman doesn't expect it to reach that level.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:00

    Anpanman believes insider selling from the lockup expiry will be fairly orderly rather than causing a 20% leg down, once shares are digested over the coming days.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:00

    There is a lockup milestone requiring the stock to sustain a certain premium to the IPO price for the next tranche to unlock; since the stock is trading below that level, Anpanman says that milestone has not been met.

Sector earnings

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:07:41

    Redwire, Satellogic, and BlackSky reported good quarterly results, which Anpanman says is helping sentiment across the space sector alongside relief that the SpaceX lockup was not the feared 'Armageddon' event.

T-Mobile and Deutsche Telekom relationship

3
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:13

    Anpanman says it was already a foregone conclusion that T-Mobile would eventually join AST, and understands the company is also in talks with T-Mobile directly.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:13

    Deutsche Telekom owns 54% economic ownership of T-Mobile but, in his view, fully controls it, so Deutsche Telekom working with Satellite Connect Europe implies T-Mobile eventually will as well.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:08:13

    Deutsche Telekom and Starlink signed an MOU to work together back in March 2026, roughly five months before today's testing announcement with Satellite Connect Europe.

Deutsche Telekom earnings call reaction and EchoStar spectrum problems

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:09:39

    An estimated 60-70% of analyst questions on Deutsche Telekom's earnings call concerned satellite, and executives were diplomatic, emphasizing their terrestrial network's strength while framing satellite as an add-on for edge cases rather than a threat.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:09:39

    Deutsche Telekom executives said they were surprised by SpaceX's recent announcement of ambitions to compete directly with MNOs, but acknowledged SpaceX is very ambitious; they also referenced Amazon and 'ambitious' AST SpaceMobile as other LEO capacity providers, marking the first time Deutsche Telekom named AST SpaceMobile publicly.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:12:47

    When asked about European MSS spectrum, Deutsche Telekom executives said EchoStar (being acquired by SpaceX/Starlink) is going through a regulatory process and suggested EchoStar may not get its desired 2 GHz reallocation, or could get a much smaller one, due to shifting EU political winds.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:12:47

    An analyst noted Starlink has complained it cannot provide adequate service over only a 10 MHz by 10 MHz S-band allocation; Anpanman contrasts this with AST, which he says is built to deliver full mid-band service efficiently over that same amount of spectrum, and notes a similar spectrum dispute is playing out in Brazil.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:12:47

    Pre-market algorithmic trading pushed AST SpaceMobile stock down to around $65 despite the Deutsche Telekom news; Anpanman noted Citadel was a top pre-market trader in the stock and said he was buying aggressively because he viewed the news as major and under-appreciated by the market.

Valuing AST SpaceMobile's EU opportunity

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:24

    Using an AI query, Anpanman estimates that adding Deutsche Telekom to AST's existing European partners would give AST coverage over roughly 70-80% of EU mobile connections overall, and 80-90% of subscribers in certain major EU countries — his own AI-assisted extrapolation, not company guidance.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:24

    Anpanman frames AST as potentially having effectively 100% coverage of the US market and 70-80% of the EU market, and speculates that even conservative subscriber uptake (3-10%) at roughly $5/month would be financially massive.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:24

    Anpanman speculates AST could become the largest wireless carrier in the world by subscriber count served (as a wholesaler working through MNO partners), envisioning a scenario years out with roughly 2 billion paying subscribers at $3-5/month ARPU and 85-90% gross margins — explicitly a long-term, speculative scenario.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:24

    Anpanman notes AST may generate $150-200 million of revenue in 2026 without any commercial service yet deployed, and argues bears mistakenly value the company on near-term revenue rather than the eventual multi-billion-dollar, high-margin endgame.

Bear narrative and analyst reaction

2
  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:17:02

    Anpanman singles out Scotiabank analyst Andres Coelho, previously an AST bull who turned negative, whose recurring bear thesis has been that Starlink will take AST's MNO customers due to AST's slower deployment; Anpanman argues the Deutsche Telekom news undermines that thesis and expects short positions to be covered.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:02

    Anpanman references other AST skeptics, including Tim Farrar and a commentator he refers to as Stuart Taylor, questioning how they will explain the Deutsche Telekom development given their prior bearish framing.

Public safety, NATO/defense, and European manufacturing

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:20:43

    The Deutsche Telekom/Satellite Connect Europe press release highlighted accelerating network deployment, filling coverage gaps, enhancing network resilience, and enabling public safety communications, emergency response, and connectivity for consumers, enterprises, and government.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:43

    Anpanman frames this as a European equivalent of the FirstNet public-safety use case, citing recent floods and fires in Spain and France as examples where resilient satellite connectivity for firefighters and first responders is critical when towers are down or destroyed.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:43

    Anpanman says Starlink offered its service to some fire-stricken areas, but argues AST's model of enabling first responders to communicate during disasters strengthens AST's case to regulators when seeking 2 GHz S-band spectrum (e.g. 10x10 or 15x15 MHz) up for renewal in May.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:23:53

    Anpanman states NATO has been testing with AST SpaceMobile in European countries, a fact he says is known within the 'Space Mob' community though not the general market.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:53

    Anpanman speculates Satellite Connect Europe could eventually feature a defense 'kill switch' capability or a separate federated constellation of 'Eurobirds' for defense purposes, similar to arrangements in Japan, with potential manufacturing/final testing in Spain and possible Ariane 6 launch support (which he says can carry 6 satellites in its heaviest configuration) and Ex-Im-style funding.

Satellite Connect Europe ownership structure and EU spectrum tender

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:36

    A Bloomberg article from roughly two weeks prior reported Satellite Connect Europe is well positioned to receive a 2 GHz spectrum allocation, but noted current rules may require AST to modify the JV's ownership structure to qualify; Anpanman guesses this could mean Vodafone at 51% and AST at 49%.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:36

    Anpanman says MNOs are lobbying European regulators to change rules so Satellite Connect Europe could qualify for both the European-operator and US-operator spectrum allocation buckets, alongside a separate allocation reserved for the EU's own IRIS-2 constellation, which he says has had a slow start and drawn MNO skepticism.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:36

    Anpanman argues having Europe's largest MNOs (Vodafone, Orange, Telefonica, Deutsche Telekom) advocating with regulators is a powerful advantage for AST versus SpaceX.

SpaceX's European regulatory dependency

3
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:51

    Anpanman recalls Deutsche Telekom's CEO (whose surname he struggles to pronounce, referring to Tim Höttges) previously stating around April that SpaceX is heavily dependent on Deutsche Telekom to help it on regulatory matters in Europe.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:51

    Anpanman argues that if Deutsche Telekom shifts its advocacy toward AST, European MNOs who no longer trust SpaceX after its move to compete directly with them will work against, rather than for, SpaceX's EU regulatory interests, tying into broader European desire to protect national telecom champions.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:51

    Anpanman contrasts AST's 'bent pipe' architecture, where European-generated traffic stays within the country and returns to the ground locally, with Starlink's global network architecture where traffic can traverse Starlink's network globally, framing AST as more aligned with data sovereignty concerns.

Amazon and Globalstar comparison

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:38

    Anpanman notes today's Globalstar architecture is a bent-pipe design similar in approach to AST's, but that in Amazon's newly filed roughly 5,000-satellite constellation, Amazon is adopting a Starlink-like separate roaming network architecture instead.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:38

    Anpanman argues this Starlink-like approach benefits Amazon by letting it bundle global connectivity into Amazon devices/Prime, but creates the same fundamental conflict with MNOs (loss of customer/data control) that limits Starlink's MNO partnership traction, which he expects will also limit Amazon.

Audience Q&A

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:52

    Asked whether MNOs currently working with Starlink will drop it for AST now that SpaceX has confirmed it will compete for their customers, Anpanman says this is likely over the long run but not the short run, since carriers like T-Mobile and Japan's KDDI/NTT Docomo have heavily marketed Starlink and would find an abrupt reversal embarrassing.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:52

    Anpanman suggests T-Mobile could execute a gradual 'uncarrier' marketing pivot by offering AST's service (speculatively branded something like 'T-Space Mobile') as an additional broadband choice alongside its existing Starlink-powered T-Satellite texting service, which he thinks would also play well with regulators.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:52

    Japanese carriers other than Rakuten currently lack an AST alternative because Rakuten holds exclusivity in Japan, unless Rakuten chooses to open the relationship to other carriers.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:52

    Rogers in Canada rolled out Starlink without a wholehearted marketing push and could pivot to AST relatively easily; AST already works with Bell Canada and added TELUS earlier this year, and Canada has no carrier exclusivity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:52

    Anpanman estimates Starlink is working with roughly 20-22 MNOs globally, some of which, such as Globe Telecom in the Philippines, also have longstanding non-exclusive relationships with AST and will decide which to emphasize once AST's service is live.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:52

    Anpanman acknowledges a past investor concern that MNOs might offer both AST and Starlink long-term as Starlink's service improves, but argues SpaceX's decision to publicly announce direct competition with MNOs now makes it easier for MNOs to choose not to push Starlink.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:32:44

    Responding to a comment that the press release was just a way to announce Deutsche Telekom indirectly and was otherwise a 'nothing burger,' Anpanman disagrees, saying the integration testing disclosed across multiple operators and countries is a substantial development, and that bundling Deutsche Telekom with other operators softens the story for regulators as a pan-European solution rather than a standalone Deutsche Telekom move.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:32:44

    Anpanman clarifies Deutsche Telekom's stock move today was driven by good results and raised guidance reported that morning, not by the satellite testing news.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:32:44

    Asked when T-Mobile news might drop, Anpanman says he does not expect it soon, likely only once the Satellite Connect Europe/AST-Vodafone joint venture structure goes definitive, possibly announced alongside that.

Final thoughts and risk management

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:11

    Anpanman says today's Deutsche Telekom news is massive but not the biggest catalyst yet; he considers a definitive commercial agreement or MOU with Deutsche Telekom, and eventually T-Mobile, to be the bigger milestone, which he estimates is probably months away.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:11

    Anpanman reiterates his standing advice to avoid margin and options given macro uncertainty (citing potential Fed rate moves and the ongoing Iran conflict as examples), advocating for a position sized to be held through volatility without needing to sell.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:43:11

    Anpanman references friends who suffered from being overleveraged on margin or options, both publicly known cases and private ones he's heard about, as a caution against excessive risk-taking.

Watch Items5

  • Commercial agreement or MOU between AST/Satellite Connect Europe and Deutsche Telekom

    Anpanman estimates probably months away Anpanman 00:43:11
  • T-Mobile commercial relationship with AST SpaceMobile

    Not expected soon; likely tied to the Satellite Connect Europe joint venture going definitive Anpanman 00:32:44
  • EU 2 GHz S-band spectrum allocation decision, including whether EchoStar/Starlink secures an allocation

    Spectrum comes up for renewal in May Anpanman 00:20:43
  • AST SpaceMobile beta commercial service launch

    Later this year Anpanman 00:39:52
  • SpaceX lockup-related share liquidity digestion and institutional buying

    Over the next few days following the lockup expiry Anpanman 00:01:53

Open Questions4

  • Will Deutsche Telekom and, by extension, T-Mobile move from testing to a definitive commercial agreement with AST/Satellite Connect Europe, and on what timeline?

    Anpanman 00:32:44
  • Will EchoStar secure its desired 2 GHz S-band spectrum allocation in the EU as part of the Starlink acquisition, or will it receive a smaller allocation or none at all?

    Anpanman 00:12:47
  • Will Satellite Connect Europe's ownership structure need to change (e.g. Vodafone 51%/AST 49%) to qualify for EU spectrum allocation, and will regulators change the rules instead?

    Anpanman 00:25:36
  • Will Starlink's other MNO partners (T-Mobile, KDDI, NTT Docomo, Rogers, etc.) shift toward AST SpaceMobile now that SpaceX has said it will compete directly with MNOs, and how quickly?

    Anpanman 00:39:52
2026-08-06 37:06

AST SpaceMobile: SpaceX Just Handed Us T-Mobile

Anpanman

This episode of the AST SpaceMobile Podcast features host Anpanman recording solo from an airport after the Space Mob investor meetup in Titusville, where 35-40 Space Mob members gathered to watch the Bluebird 11, 12, and 13 launch. He recaps the mission, previews Monday's Q2 2026 earnings call, and breaks down SpaceX's newly public direct-to-cell ambitions.

Anpanman argues SpaceX's stated plan to build its own terrestrial small-cell network and compete directly with AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile makes AST SpaceMobile more valuable to every mobile network operator globally, not less. He says T-Mobile's Starlink exclusivity has become untenable and predicts an eventual AST relationship, while cautioning that any T-Mobile deal or the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture will still take time to formalize.

He also covers recent spectrum wins in Brazil, Kenya, and expected wins in Europe, along with regulatory risk facing the pending EchoStar-SpaceX transaction given SpaceX's newly explicit competitive stance toward MNOs. He revisits Verizon's 2024 deal as the historic stock unlock and draws a parallel for what a T-Mobile relationship could do next.

Anpanman's headline conclusion is that SpaceX's aggressive posture toward carriers, far from threatening AST, hands it a stronger hand with every MNO worldwide, and he urges shareholders to stay unleveraged and patient ahead of the earnings call and further catalysts.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman attended the Space Mob investor meetup in Titusville the night of the Bluebird 11, 12, and 13 launch, estimating 35-40 attendees, roughly double the turnout at the prior Bluebird 8, 9, and 10 meetup.
  • AST SpaceMobile's Q2 2026 earnings call is scheduled for the Monday following this episode (August 10, 2026); Anpanman plans to ask or submit a question about how SpaceX's new direct-to-cell push changes AST's competitive positioning.
  • Satellites 14, 15, and 16 are close to shipping, and Anpanman speculates a launch could occur as early as September 2026 given SpaceX's roughly 30-day turnaround between launches from SLC-40.
  • AST confirmed it established communications and nominal control with Bluebird 11, 12, and 13 after launch; Anpanman expects their antenna unfolding within about 30 days, faster than Bluebird 6's 49 days and Bluebird 8/9/10's 28, 33, and 34 days.
  • SpaceX publicly stated ambitions to build a terrestrial direct-to-cell network of small cells and a new Starlink terminal to compete directly with mobile carriers, with Elon Musk saying he expects a majority of internet traffic to eventually move over Starlink's satellites.
  • Anpanman believes T-Mobile's exclusivity arrangement with Starlink has become commercially untenable now that SpaceX has declared intent to compete with carriers, and expects T-Mobile to seek an early exit; SpaceX's own prospectus reportedly allows MNOs to terminate these relationships without penalty within a 3-to-5-year window.
  • Anpanman frames Verizon's 2024 decision to partner with AST over Starlink as the company's historic stock unlock, citing AST's roughly $800 million market cap and $100 million of cash before that deal, and the stock's move from about $2 to $5 after AT&T and from $5 to $10 (later reaching $39) after Verizon.
  • AST has recently received a 10x10 MHz spectrum allocation from Brazil's Anatel and approval to use over 20x20 MHz of 700 MHz spectrum with Kenya's Safaricom; Anpanman expects Europe to grant a similar 10x10 MHz allocation.
  • Anpanman sees regulatory risk for the pending EchoStar-SpaceX spectrum transaction, noting EchoStar and Viasat's European S-band licenses face a 'jump ball' reallocation in early 2027 and that SpaceX's stated intent to compete with MNOs could complicate international approval.
  • Anpanman is skeptical Starlink can meaningfully compete with mobile carriers in dense areas, pointing to Charlie Ergen's roughly $8-9 billion failed terrestrial wireless buildout at Dish and past failed cable-company Wi-Fi hotspot efforts as cautionary precedent.
  • The joint venture between AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile, plus the AST-Rakuten J-LEO partnership, will both take additional time to reach definitive agreements, though Anpanman speculates SpaceX's aggressive public statements could accelerate the timeline.
  • Anpanman does not expect any pre-earnings press releases, T-Mobile news, or Meta partnership details to be disclosed before Monday's call, and encourages shareholders to submit their own questions on Meta talks.
  • Anpanman closes by urging shareholders to stay unleveraged, avoid margin and derivatives, and hold shares through upcoming catalysts, comparing the current moment to owning Apple stock right before an iPhone announcement.

Detailed Discussion16 topics

Titusville launch meetup recap

2
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:25

    Anpanman is recording from the airport after attending the Space Mob investor meetup at the Space Bar in the Courtyard Marriott in Titusville, held the night of the Bluebird 11, 12, and 13 launch; he estimates 35 to 40 Space Mob members attended, which those who attended both events said seemed like roughly double the turnout at the prior Bluebird 8, 9, and 10 meetup.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:04:06

    He says he preferred the more intimate ~30-person gathering over larger events because it allowed him to meet everyone and have good discussions, though he expects future company-sponsored launch events to be larger.

Next launch timing and earnings call preview

3
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:49

    Satellites 14, 15, and 16 are pretty close to shipping; Anpanman notes SpaceX's turnaround between launches from SLC-40 is roughly 30 days, and speculates there could be enough of a gap to fit in a September 2026 launch.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:02:15

    AST SpaceMobile's earnings call is scheduled for the coming Monday; Anpanman plans to submit or hopes an analyst asks how the changing competitive landscape, especially SpaceX going directly after MNOs, changes AST's positioning, though he expects the company to be reserved in its response.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:32:57

    He does not expect any pre-earnings press releases or T-Mobile news before Monday's call, saying big strategic developments like a T-Mobile relationship will take time and should not be bet on in the near term.

Launch mission recap and satellite status

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:02:45

    The Bluebird 11, 12, 13 mission on Falcon 9 was flawless; the company used computer-generated separation graphics (rather than camera footage) because the payload adapter's cone shape blocks the second stage's cameras from showing satellite release, which drew some light criticism for a graphical error showing the rocket turning that never actually happened.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:06

    The company confirmed it established communications with the three satellites and achieved nominal control after detumbling; Anpanman expects antenna unfolding in roughly 30 days, noting Bluebird 6 took about 49 days to unfold versus 28, 33, and 34 days for Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10, so he guesses these three might unfold in something like 26-28 days as the company's process improves.

Free merch bags for launch attendees

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:05:04

    As with the Bluebird 8, 9, 10 launch, the company emailed codes to retail investors who previously attended launches, redeemable for free merch bags containing a mission-patch bag, a 2XL t-shirt, a sticker, and a magnetic metal pin; Anpanman ordered three (the maximum allowed) and plans to bring extras to the next launch for attendees.

SpaceX's direct-to-cell announcement

2
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:07:05

    Overnight, major outlets including Dow Jones and Bloomberg picked up news of SpaceX's direct-to-cell ambitions; Anpanman says Elon Musk stated he expects a majority of internet traffic to move over Starlink's satellites in coming years, which he calls a bold, aggressive claim toward MNOs SpaceX works with or has considered working with.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:05

    Anpanman plans to listen to Deutsche Telekom's earnings call the next morning, expecting analysts to ask about the strategic implications of Starlink potentially competing with its T-Mobile subsidiary and its European business.

T-Mobile exclusivity and potential exit

3
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:39

    T-Mobile told The Verge it has some exclusivity remaining with Starlink, but per SpaceX's prospectus, MNO relationships (roughly 3 to 5 years) can reportedly be terminated by the MNO without penalty; Anpanman believes T-Mobile will likely exit the relationship sooner rather than later once it makes business sense.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:39

    He argues that continuing to actively market T-Satellite each day only provides free marketing and awareness for a company (SpaceX) that is becoming T-Mobile's direct competitor.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:39

    Timing for any T-Mobile-AST partnership (MOU then definitive agreement) will take time, partly because the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture structure means AT&T effectively has final say on whether AST can work with T-Mobile, though this would be enabled under the joint venture.

Why AST staying out of the media narrative helps

1
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:43

    Anpanman initially thought it was unfortunate AST wasn't mentioned in coverage of SpaceX's carrier ambitions, but concluded it's actually beneficial: MNO executives don't want to feel pressured or told what to do, so it's better that the media and SpaceX frame the competitive threat while AST is not positioned as an obvious 'saving grace,' letting MNOs reach that conclusion themselves.

Verizon as the original stock unlock

3
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:11:12

    Anpanman recalls that in early 2024 AST's US business was just AT&T, with a market cap around $800 million and only about $100 million of cash left in the bank; he says building a satellite constellation with that little capital would have been almost impossible without MNO funding.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:11:12

    He says Verizon's decision to partner with AST over Starlink (after evaluating both) gave AST two-thirds of the US market and, just as importantly, served as major market validation; the stock moved from about $2 to $5 after AT&T's commercial agreement, then from $5 to $10 and eventually as high as $39 after the Verizon deal, before pulling back.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:11:12

    Anpanman says a Michael Pollack presentation (later taken down) indicated that after Verizon's investment, the Department of Defense, SDA, and DIU all began reaching out to AST, reasoning that if both AT&T and Verizon were on board, the technology must be real and viable.

SpaceX crossing the Rubicon with MNOs

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:14:47

    Anpanman argues SpaceX's public comments mean it has 'crossed the Rubicon' — by openly stating it will build its own terrestrial network of small cells and a new Starlink terminal to get customers to act as cell repeaters and compete with carriers, SpaceX has foreclosed future MNO partnerships, making it easier for AST to have MNO conversations since operators globally now see a clear need for a strategic counter-partner.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:14:47

    He contrasts AST's pitch (partnering with local MNOs, offering a 'kill switch' for sovereign control, and keeping data in-country) against what he characterizes as SpaceX's approach of building a colossal global network that extracts value and market share from local incumbents, which he says regulators will resist.

Spectrum wins in Brazil, Europe, and Kenya

1
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:16:44

    Brazil's Anatel gave AST a 10x10 MHz spectrum allocation; Anpanman believes Europe will make a similar 10x10 MHz allocation, and says AST just received approval to work with Kenya's Safaricom on over 20x20 MHz of 700 MHz spectrum.

Regulatory risk for the EchoStar-SpaceX deal

3
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:08

    The EchoStar-SpaceX transaction has not yet closed and still requires international regulatory approval; Anpanman says SpaceX's aggressive Q&A comments about competing with MNOs could jeopardize that approval, joking that Charlie Ergen 'might be sweating bullets' if the deal gets held up.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:08

    In Europe, EchoStar and Viasat together hold a majority of S-band licenses, which face a 'jump ball' reallocation in early 2027; Anpanman speculates AST and Europe's IRIS will get a slug of that spectrum, while it's unclear whether EchoStar and Viasat will be reallocated any, especially given SpaceX's stated intent to compete with European MNOs.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:19:08

    He notes FCC Chairman Brendan Carr previously told Ergen he had not met build-out requirements on certain licenses and would need to sell or lose them, illustrating that regulators can revoke underutilized spectrum rights.

Can Starlink really compete with MNOs?

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:48

    Anpanman argues that to truly compete with MNOs, Starlink would need low-band spectrum, tower infrastructure, and new terminals capable of acting as small cells, plus customer incentives to buy and use that equipment — describing Bernstein's view of AWS-3 deployment as more of a 'low-end quality of service' offering rather than full MNO competition.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:22:48

    He cites Charlie Ergen's Dish Network, which spent roughly $8-9 billion (beyond spectrum costs alone) trying to build a terrestrial wireless network using state-of-the-art technology and still failed, as a cautionary precedent for how difficult and costly this is.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:22:48

    He recalls a cable company's past effort (referred to ambiguously in the recording) to deploy citywide Wi-Fi hotspots in New York as an MVNO fallback strategy, saying the hotspots ultimately 'didn't work that well' outside their immediate coverage radius.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:48

    Responding to a point attributed to 'Mach33' that most data traffic occurs on Wi-Fi, Anpanman agrees but argues consumers pay a premium for mobile connectivity specifically for areas with no alternative coverage (dead spots, one-bar areas), which is where Starlink could have an initial edge over MNOs in coverage but would still need to build out expensive terrestrial infrastructure to compete in dense areas.

What T-Mobile could mean for ASTS upside

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:00

    Anpanman frames the key open question as: if Verizon's 2024 decision was the unlock that took AST to the next level, what would a T-Mobile relationship do, given it would mean AST is important to all three of the largest and most profitable US carriers rather than just one.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:00

    He notes most TMT investors either don't know what AST SpaceMobile is or dismiss it as unable to compete with Starlink, forgetting that MNOs are the industry's gatekeepers.

J-LEO, Rakuten, and telco joint venture patience

3
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:39

    Anpanman cautions that the AST-Rakuten J-LEO joint venture is happening but will take time to finalize, and asks listeners to be patient while more details emerge through regulators and eventual Rakuten statements.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:29:39

    He relays that the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile telco joint venture's CEO said the venture 'feels good' about its progress and that a deal is 'coming soon,' but Anpanman expects reaching a definitive agreement to still take time given its complexity; he speculates SpaceX's aggressive public statements could cut that timeline roughly in half by increasing urgency in MNO boardrooms.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:39

    He predicts a future Harvard Business School case study on what he calls one of the biggest strategic blunders of all time: former T-Mobile CEO Mike Sievert's decision to partner with SpaceX/Starlink, noting most executives who made that decision are no longer at T-Mobile or Deutsche Telekom.

Community Q&A

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:32:57

    Asked whether the company would release PRs before earnings, Anpanman said he doubts it since earnings are Monday and the company will likely hold news; he also does not expect T-Mobile news to come soon.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:32:57

    Asked how many Falcon 9 launches are scheduled, Anpanman said AST has a handful scheduled and has bought more, and can potentially take other constellations' launch slots if those other operators are not ready on time, meaning some AST launches could come on short notice in the coming months.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:32:57

    Asked whether Scott (Wisniewski) would provide color on reported Meta talks during the earnings call, Anpanman said he doesn't believe so, but encouraged shareholders to submit their own questions to the company about the status and impact of any Meta discussions.

Closing thoughts: stay unleveraged

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:34:56

    Anpanman says he personally bought more ASTS shares that morning and the prior day, is not on margin, and urges other shareholders to avoid margin and derivatives so a forced decision doesn't occur right before major catalysts.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:34:56

    He compares the current moment to a shareholder selling Apple stock right before an iPhone announcement due to unrelated volatility, urging investors to just hold shares and trust the process through the earnings call and beyond.

Watch Items4

  • AST SpaceMobile Q2 2026 earnings call

    This coming Monday Anpanman 00:02:15
  • Possible next AST launch (satellites 14, 15, 16)

    Possibly as early as September 2026 Anpanman 00:01:49
  • Antenna unfolding of Bluebird 11, 12, and 13

    Approximately 30 days after the August 5, 2026 launch Anpanman 00:04:06
  • Deutsche Telekom earnings call, expected to address SpaceX/Starlink competitive threat to T-Mobile and its European business

    Tomorrow morning (relative to recording) Anpanman 00:07:05

Open Questions4

  • Will T-Mobile move to exit its Starlink exclusivity early now that SpaceX has publicly declared intent to compete with carriers, and how soon could a T-Mobile-AST relationship materialize?

    Anpanman 00:08:39
  • Given SpaceX's newly explicit competitive stance toward MNOs, will international regulators approve the pending EchoStar-SpaceX spectrum transaction, and will EchoStar and Viasat retain their European S-band licenses in the early-2027 reallocation?

    Anpanman 00:19:08
  • How quickly can the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture and the AST-Rakuten J-LEO partnership reach definitive agreements, and will SpaceX's aggressive statements accelerate those timelines?

    Anpanman 00:29:39
  • Will AST SpaceMobile provide any update on reported Meta talks during Monday's earnings call?

    Anpanman 00:32:57
2026-08-05 29:42

AST SpaceMobile - SpaceX Just Declared War

Anpanman

This solo commentary episode features Anpanman broadcasting live from Titusville, Florida, near Kennedy Space Center, ahead of the Bluebird 11, 12, and 13 satellite launch. He breaks down SpaceX's Q2 2026 earnings call, where Gwynne Shotwell and Elon Musk revealed plans to compete directly for AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile wireless customers.

Shotwell said SpaceX is targeting a share of the roughly $600 billion in annual revenue earned by AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile, and Musk said Starlink aims to deliver the majority of the world's data communications. SpaceX described a CapEx-light terrestrial network built from small cells, possibly leveraging home Starlink dishes and even Teslas as mobile base stations.

Anpanman argues this is bullish for AST SpaceMobile because it makes AST the strategic counter MNOs need against Starlink, reinforcing AST's 50-50 revenue-share model. He says T-Mobile and AST talks are progressing, notes AST's multi-year exclusivity with AT&T and Verizon, and revisits analyst Tim Farrar's mistaken read of the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture.

His headline conclusion is that SpaceX's public admission of a terrestrial land-grab strengthens the regulatory case for the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture with AST and gives global carriers like Deutsche Telekom even more reason to partner with AST instead of Starlink.

Key Takeaways

  • On SpaceX's Q2 2026 earnings call, Gwynne Shotwell and Elon Musk stated for the first time that SpaceX intends to compete directly for AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile's roughly $600 billion in combined annual wireless revenue, rather than only partnering with mobile carriers.
  • Elon Musk said SpaceX's goal is for Starlink to eventually deliver the majority of the world's data communications.
  • SpaceX described plans to build a capital-light terrestrial cellular network using small cells/femtocells, potentially leveraging existing home Starlink dishes and possibly Tesla vehicles as mobile base stations.
  • Anpanman argues SpaceX's public strategy shift is bullish for AST SpaceMobile because it pushes AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile to rely on AST's 50-50 revenue-share model as their strategic counter to Starlink, rather than competing against them.
  • Anpanman states that T-Mobile and AST SpaceMobile are in talks and that those talks are reportedly progressing well, though he does not have a specific timeline.
  • Chris Sambar, a former AT&T executive and AST board member, is set to join T-Mobile, which Anpanman views as a signal favorable to a future T-Mobile/AST relationship.
  • AST SpaceMobile holds multi-year mutual exclusivity agreements with AT&T and Verizon, meaning SpaceX could not sell satellite service to those carriers even if it wanted to until those agreements sunset.
  • Anpanman contends SpaceX is choosing to build a competing network rather than acquire a carrier outright, partly because an acquisition (e.g., Verizon, with an estimated $384 billion enterprise value) would be prohibitively expensive and likely blocked by the FCC and DOJ.
  • Anpanman argues SpaceX's public proclamation of building a terrestrial competitor actually helps the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture's regulatory case, since it demonstrates a genuine fourth-competitor dynamic to regulators.
  • Analyst Tim Farrar previously claimed the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile satellite joint venture existed mainly to help carriers negotiate better terms with Starlink; Anpanman says this was proven wrong, since AST SpaceMobile is powering the joint venture as a competing satellite solution.
  • SoftBank and NTT Docomo in Japan are working with Starlink largely because Rakuten holds exclusivity with AST SpaceMobile in Japan, and Anpanman does not believe Rakuten is currently interested in giving up that exclusivity.
  • Anpanman revisits T-Mobile's earlier decision to give SpaceX access to 5x5 MHz of PCS-G block spectrum and to prominently market the Starlink-powered T-Satellite product to its own subscriber base, calling it a major strategic blunder that helped SpaceX develop a competing service using T-Mobile's own customer base and spectrum.
  • AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile stock reportedly fell more than 4% following the SpaceX earnings call comments, per Bloomberg headlines cited by Anpanman.
  • Anpanman paid tribute to a deceased community member, Steve Larison, near Kennedy Space Center ahead of the launch.
  • Bluebird 11, 12, and 13 were set to launch in the early morning following this recording, with Bluebird 14, 15, and 16 described as coming soon after.

Detailed Discussion5 topics

SpaceX's Q2 2026 earnings call revelations

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:31

    Anpanman said he did not expect Gwynne Shotwell or Elon Musk to disclose what they did on SpaceX's earnings call, calling it 'candidly quite shocking,' and said SpaceX's relationship with T-Mobile is 'pretty much gone at this point.'

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:02:48

    In Q&A, SpaceX said it plans to take wireless customers directly from AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile and to build out its own terrestrial network, rather than continuing to only partner with MNOs.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:03:19

    Elon Musk stated Starlink's plan is to eventually deliver a vast majority of the world's data communications.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:04:11

    Gwynne Shotwell said that AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile together generate roughly $600 billion of revenue a year, and that SpaceX anticipates acquiring a meaningful number of MNO customers because it believes its service, especially in dead zones, will be better.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:05:16

    Anpanman noted MNOs' dense terrestrial towers still deliver superior service in dense urban areas, but said Starlink believes its roughly 65 MHz of EchoStar mid-band spectrum, combined with a denser next-generation 'V2' satellite constellation launching next year, could let it match MNO-level service in suburban and rural areas.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:05:16

    SpaceX discussed a CapEx-light path to a terrestrial network using small cells/femtocells, potentially deploying them at homes and offices of existing Starlink customers, and possibly using Teslas as mobile cell towers.

Why this is bullish for AST SpaceMobile

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:38

    Anpanman argued SpaceX going after MNO customers directly is 'the best news possible' for AST SpaceMobile, because AST fills the coverage gaps (dead zones and low-signal areas) that MNOs need to compete against Starlink, without being adversarial to the carriers.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:07:38

    Anpanman said Block 1 satellites deliver about 100 megabits per second and Block 2 satellites deliver about 200 megabits per second, with speeds expected to keep increasing.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:04

    He said SpaceX's public move is effectively forcing MNOs to work with AST, since AST already has superior direct-to-device technology and operates on a 50/50 revenue-share partnership basis rather than competing with carriers.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:04

    He explained AST's model lets it piggyback on an MNO's existing customer base and sales/support infrastructure, splitting revenue 50/50, versus SpaceX which must build its own costly customer acquisition and support model (estimated at $600-800 per acquired mobile customer).

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:13:04

    Anpanman reiterated AST's spectrum roadmap: low-band spectrum reused from MNO partners today, mid-band spectrum from Ligado and others next, and eventually C-band (3.5-4 GHz) spectrum satellites, a roadmap he said Abel Avellan described as far back as his first conversation with Avellan in 2021.

T-Mobile / AST relationship and regulatory dynamics

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  • Anpanman Rumor 00:09:02

    Anpanman said he can 'definitively say' T-Mobile will work with AST SpaceMobile eventually, though he doesn't know when, and that from what he understands, AST and T-Mobile are in talks that are reportedly going well.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:02

    He noted Chris Sambar, the former AT&T executive who orchestrated AT&T's AST partnership, is joining T-Mobile shortly, which he reads as a positive signal for a future AST-T-Mobile relationship.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:09:02

    AST SpaceMobile holds mutual, multi-year exclusivity agreements with AT&T and Verizon, meaning SpaceX would have to wait for those agreements to sunset even if it wanted to work with those carriers.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:02

    Anpanman reasoned that SpaceX's aggressive, competitive public stance toward T-Mobile, AT&T, and Verizon on the earnings call implies its discussions with T-Mobile about extending their relationship, or with AT&T/Verizon about future partnership, are not going well.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:53

    Anpanman said SpaceX/Starlink discussed acquiring MNO customers over buying an MNO outright, since as a growth company it prefers a cost-efficient, share-taking strategy that the market will reward with a premium valuation, versus an outright purchase like Verizon (estimated ~$384 billion enterprise value, implying a roughly $500 billion deal) that the FCC and DOJ would likely block anyway and that would turn SpaceX into a slow-growth carrier overnight.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:16:23

    AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile shares reportedly fell more than 4% following the SpaceX comments, per a Bloomberg headline Anpanman cited live during the recording.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:16:23

    Anpanman argued SpaceX's public statement that it intends to build a competing 'fourth carrier' actually helps its own regulatory standing with the FCC (citing Chairman Brendan Carr) for spectrum and network investment, but simultaneously undercuts any future attempt by SpaceX to acquire an MNO like T-Mobile, since regulators could point to the public commitment to building a competitor.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:18:11

    Analyst Tim Farrar previously claimed the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile satellite joint venture was formed so the carriers could negotiate more effectively with Starlink; Anpanman said this take was 'the absolute wrong read,' noting AST issued a press release commending the joint venture within a minute of its announcement, showing AST was involved from the start and the JV exists to build AST-powered satellite service as a Starlink competitor.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:16

    Anpanman said SpaceX's public proclamation about competing for wireless customers now gives regulatory cover to the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture: since Starlink is a stated direct competitor, the FCC/DOJ should have no issue with the JV declining to buy satellite service from Starlink, and there should be increased urgency to move the JV to a definitive agreement and deepen work with AST SpaceMobile.

Global implications and T-Mobile's Starlink history

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:38

    Anpanman said SoftBank and NTT Docomo in Japan are reportedly working with Starlink largely because Rakuten holds exclusivity with AST SpaceMobile in Japan, and that he does not believe Rakuten currently wants to give up that exclusivity given its still-small market share, though it could reconsider in the future.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:38

    He argued that European carriers like Deutsche Telekom, weighing AST versus Starlink, now have 'the nail in the coffin' against working with Starlink given its stated plan to build a terrestrial network and take carrier customers directly, comparing it to a Trojan horse.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:20

    Anpanman revisited T-Mobile's earlier decision (under then-CEO Mike Sievert) to grant SpaceX 5x5 MHz of PCS-G block spectrum and prominently market the Starlink-powered T-Satellite product to T-Mobile's own customers, calling it what he expects to become a Harvard Business School case study on a major strategic blunder, since it let SpaceX develop, test, and stand up a competing service using T-Mobile's own spectrum and customer base.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:20

    He noted T-Mobile's CFO and CEO have recently shifted tone from touting the Starlink partnership to being more defensive about the service and its adoption, which he reads as a strategic pivot.

Personal note and upcoming launch

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:05

    Anpanman recorded live from the Courtyard Marriott in Titusville, Florida near Kennedy Space Center ahead of a launch, noting a possible launch window shift from 3:42 to as late as 5:00 due to weather and lightning in the area.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:27:54

    Anpanman paid tribute to a deceased community member, Steve Larison, sharing a Dr Pepper at his gravesite near the Kennedy Space Center area and updating him on AST and community news.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:29:31

    Bluebird 11, 12, and 13 were set to launch early the following morning, with Bluebird 14, 15, and 16 described as coming 'not far behind' those three.

Watch Items3

  • Bluebird 11, 12, and 13 (Block 2) satellite launch from Florida

    Early morning following the recording, originally targeted for a 3:42 launch window with possible pushback to as late as 5:00 Anpanman 00:00:05
  • Bluebird 14, 15, and 16 satellite launches

    Described as coming 'not far behind' the Bluebird 11-13 launch, no specific date given Anpanman 00:27:54
  • T-Mobile / AST SpaceMobile commercial relationship

    No specific date; Anpanman says talks are reportedly progressing and it is 'a matter of when, not if' Anpanman 00:09:02

Open Questions4

  • When will AST SpaceMobile and T-Mobile reach a formal commercial agreement?

    Anpanman 00:09:02
  • How much US wireless market share will Starlink's vertically integrated home-and-mobile solution actually capture (Anpanman speculated 10-15%)?

    Anpanman 00:21:31
  • Will regulators treat SpaceX's public commitment to building a competing terrestrial network as a bar to any future attempt to acquire an MNO?

    Anpanman 00:16:23
  • Will Rakuten eventually give up its AST SpaceMobile exclusivity in Japan to let SoftBank and NTT Docomo access AST's service?

    Anpanman 00:23:38
2026-08-04 40:11

AST SpaceMobile: Bluebird 11-13 Launch This Week

Anpanman

This is a solo AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode hosted by Anpanman, recorded the night before the Bluebird 11-13 launch. He covers market capitulation signals, SpaceX's crowded short interest ahead of its first earnings call, the Bluebird 11-13 launch and production cadence, a Grain Management spectrum update, and a lengthy takedown of critic Lucky Stewie.

Anpanman argues the stock and space sector bottomed last week after hedge fund Situational Awareness was forced to sell its book to Citadel, citing two long-time holders who capitulated near $51-55 as a classic bottom signal. He details SpaceX's $283 million short interest, 4.1% borrow fee, and lockup expiry dynamics ahead of its first public earnings call.

He walks through the Bluebird 11-13 launch, scheduled for early Wednesday morning at Cape Canaveral with a window opening around 3:42 a.m. ET, noting production has run 3-4 satellites a month versus the 6-per-month target. He also traces how Lucky Stewie (Stuart Taylor) only became an AST critic after Viasat's L-band deal with AST turned litigious in August 2025.

Anpanman closes bullish, saying anyone who liked AST at $100 should love it at $55-63, and calls a future T-Mobile deal fait accompli, just a matter of timing.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman, solo host of the AST SpaceMobile Podcast, recorded this episode the night before the Bluebird 11-13 launch, believing the stock and broader space sector had bottomed after a sharp market unwind.
  • Anpanman cites two long-time AST holders who capitulated and sold near $51-55 (one had held since the 2021 NPA/de-SPAC days) as a classic sentiment-washout bottom signal, though he notes their situations were personal and not investment advice.
  • He attributes much of the recent selling pressure to hedge fund Situational Awareness (run by 'Leo') being forced to sell its book to Citadel, which was the top advertised trader in AST and other momentum names for two days before reducing activity.
  • Anpanman flags macro risks including Iran-US tensions and a potential Japanese yen carry-trade unwind as ongoing headwinds, alongside signs of stabilization.
  • SpaceX's short interest stood at $283 million with a borrow fee of about 4.1% (up from roughly 2% the prior week), driven by traders betting the IPO lockup expiry (10-20% of shares) would overwhelm demand.
  • Anpanman argues institutional holders like Fidelity (1.7%), Baron Capital (0.8%), Vanguard (0.72%), and Invesco (0.71%) are underweight SpaceX and likely to buy into the lockup expiry rather than sell, undercutting the bearish lockup narrative.
  • He expects SpaceX to 'beat and raise' on its first public earnings call (the next day, after market close) given how IPO financial models are typically set conservatively by underwriters.
  • Because some funds are short AST as a hedge against long SpaceX positions, Anpanman expects a strong SpaceX print to trigger short covering that benefits AST's stock price.
  • The Block 2 Bluebird 11, 12, and 13 satellites were scheduled to launch early Wednesday morning from Cape Canaveral, with a launch window opening around 3:42 a.m. ET and running to about 5:20 a.m.; the event was not company-sponsored.
  • Anpanman estimates AST's current production cadence at roughly 3-4 satellites per month, behind the company's 6-per-month target, attributing the slower pace partly to the company taking extra time following the Blue Origin New Glenn launchpad mishap.
  • He notes Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 are expected to ship soon, and that the shipment-to-launch timeline may be compressing from about 27 days (for Bluebirds 8-10) to about 22 days for Bluebirds 11-13, if the Wednesday launch occurs as planned.
  • Anpanman discussed Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum testing with AST, saying a decision could come well before the FCC's November deadline since testing is already underway, though this is his own estimate rather than confirmed company guidance.
  • Anpanman gave a detailed account of critic Stuart Taylor ('Lucky Stewie'), noting Taylor's Viasat investment was rerated by AST's Ligado L-band spectrum deal and only became an outspoken AST critic starting in August 2025, after Viasat turned litigious over the deal.
  • Anpanman said he had recently blocked Lucky Stewie after growing tired of persistent trolling, while continuing to follow other bears like Pivotal Capital and Hiro Nanda as useful contrarian bottom indicators.
  • Anpanman said he considers a future T-Mobile commercial deal with AST 'fait accompli' — inevitable, though the timing is uncertain — and expects the stock reaction to exceed the rally seen after the Verizon deal.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

Market Sentiment and Capitulation Signals

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:21

    Anpanman said that after the stock and space sector rallied, sentiment improved markedly, and that signs of a bottom were visible last week, including a long-time AST holder (since the 2021 NPA/de-SPAC days) who expressed deep regret about not selling near $130 and ultimately capitulated and sold as the stock fell toward $55.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:51

    Anpanman described a second holder who used margin and options and sold his position after the stock hit $51, having previously been warned repeatedly against holding a high-beta name like AST on margin; after selling, this person predicted a further drop into the 40s, then said 'now that I've sold, it's probably the bottom' — which Anpanman says proved true.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:05:08

    Anpanman explained tax implications of trading around a core position: selling a long-held low-cost-basis position (e.g., bought around $8-10, sold at $55) triggers long-term capital gains, meaning a repurchase later results in fewer total shares after taxes; this is why he keeps a large core position untouched and only trades a smaller separate position.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:53

    Anpanman said he deliberately does not block most bears or skeptics (with exceptions like Pivotal Capital and Hiro Nanda, whom he follows as reliable bottom signals), and that last week's wave of trolls predicting AST would fall to $30-40, plus negative posts from Lucky Stewie and 'Tim Ferrer' (Tim Ferriss referenced as a critic), reinforced his view that sentiment had washed out near a bottom.

Situational Awareness / Citadel Forced Unwind

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:34

    Anpanman said that once it became known that hedge fund Situational Awareness ('Leo's' fund) had to sell its book to Citadel, the market could pinpoint a large institutional driver of the broader unwind (beyond retail liquidation, other hedge fund liquidation, and Korea-related selling), and the market began to bottom from there.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:34

    Anpanman said Citadel was the number one advertised trader in Situational Awareness's names (including AST, Rocket Lab, SpaceX, IonQ, Oclo, SMR, Rigetti, Circle, and Robinhood/'Hood') on Thursday and Friday but had largely disappeared from those names by the time of this recording, suggesting Citadel had finished unwinding shorts and selling longs from that book; he noted JPMorgan and Merrill were the top advertised AST traders the day of recording, with retail third.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:09:34

    Anpanman cited a Bloomberg headline reported live during the recording that 'Kotu's hedge fund sinks 8% in worst drop in more than a year,' noting it wasn't just Situational Awareness — other AI/semiconductor-focused funds were also forced to de-gross heading into end-of-July.

Macro Risks

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:10

    Anpanman flagged ongoing macro risks including shifting Iran-US headlines (alternating between prospects of peace and conflict) and concerns that unwinding the Japanese yen carry trade could force Japan to sell US Treasuries, pushing yields up and forcing broader risk-asset selling.

SpaceX Short Interest, Lockup Expiry, and Institutional Demand

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:15:21

    Anpanman cited data showing SpaceX's short interest at $283 million with a borrow fee around 4.1%, up from about 2% the prior week and roughly mid-1% the week before that, indicating the short trade against SpaceX was getting increasingly crowded ahead of an estimated 10-20% share lockup expiry.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:03

    Anpanman explained that some shorts are directional bets on the lockup expiry overwhelming demand, while others are 'boxed' positions from holders of pre-IPO shares via SPVs who are not bound by lockup restrictions and are shorting to lock in gains until they can collapse the box once shares are formally distributed.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:03

    Anpanman argued the lockup expiry narrative is overblown because major institutions — Fidelity (1.7% position), Baron Capital (0.8%), Vanguard (0.72%), Invesco (0.71%), and Valor Management (6.7%) — are underweight relative to their typical conviction sizing and are likely waiting to buy into the lockup expiry rather than sell, potentially producing a squeeze instead of a selloff.

SpaceX Earnings and Impact on the Space Sector

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:55

    Anpanman said SpaceX's first public quarterly earnings call was scheduled for the next day after market close, and predicted a 'beat and raise' given how IPO financial models are typically set conservatively by underwriting banks in the first several quarters, plus SpaceX's Google and Anthropic data-center leasing deals as tailwinds.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:55

    Anpanman said that with SpaceX trading at $115 (well below its IPO price), he would personally be a buyer of SpaceX at current levels if forced to choose, though he clarified he does not currently own or plan to buy it.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:32

    Anpanman argued that because some funds hold AST short as a hedge against long SpaceX positions, a strong SpaceX earnings print and stock rally would likely force those funds to cover their AST shorts, benefiting the broader space sector including AST.

Bluebird 11-13 Launch and Production Cadence

3
  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:27:31

    Anpanman said the Block 2 Bluebird 11, 12, and 13 satellites were scheduled to launch early Wednesday morning (not the next day, which was SpaceX's earnings day), with a launch window opening around 3:42 a.m. ET and running until about 5:20 a.m.; he planned to be at Cape Canaveral with other Space Mob members, and noted this was not a company-sponsored event, likely due to its proximity to AST's Q2 earnings call, though some executives were expected to attend informally.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:31

    Anpanman estimated AST's current production cadence at roughly 3 to 4 satellites per month, behind the company's stated 6-satellites-per-month goal, attributing the gap partly to the company deliberately slowing production following the Blue Origin New Glenn mishap since there was no need to rush shipping satellites without launch capacity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:31

    Anpanman said Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 were expected to ship 'fairly soon,' and that the shipment-to-launch timeline appeared to be compressing: Bluebirds 8 through 10 took approximately 27 days from shipment announcement to launch, while Bluebirds 11 through 13 would represent roughly 22 days if the Wednesday launch occurred as planned.

Grain Management Spectrum Update

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:02

    Anpanman said he had tweeted about upcoming Grain Management milestone dates, clarifying those are FCC-imposed deadline bookends and that actual developments could happen sooner; he expects an advisor selection and a decision, and guessed the companies (already testing together) could reach a decision well before the FCC's November deadline, potentially combining Grain's 800 MHz spectrum with AT&T's and Verizon's 850 MHz spectrum for added capacity.

Lucky Stewie and AST Critics

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:29:57

    Anpanman said he recently blocked critic Stuart Taylor ('Lucky Stewie') after growing tired of him trolling every post, and gave background on Taylor: he began investing in Viasat years ago (citing a personal friendship with Viasat's Mark Dankberg), during a period when Viasat's stock had fallen to around $10 amid competition from Starlink.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:57

    Anpanman said Viasat's stock began re-rating after AST SpaceMobile's January 2025 announcement of an agreement for 80-year rights to Ligado's L-band spectrum, and re-rated further after AST's roughly $450-500 million payment to Ligado around July, causing Viasat's stock to rise from about $10 to $15 and eventually to $30.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:57

    Anpanman argued AST SpaceMobile single-handedly revalued the legacy satellite sector's spectrum holdings — Viasat, Globalstar, Iridium, and EchoStar (whose Charlie Ergen he said was 'on his deathbed' financially before AST's activity) — and said in hindsight he should have bought a basket of these legacy names.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:29:57

    Anpanman noted that EchoStar's Charlie Ergen 'put Hughes into bankruptcy today,' mentioned in passing as evidence of ongoing distress in the legacy satellite sector prior to AST's involvement revaluing spectrum assets.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:57

    Anpanman said Lucky Stewie's Twitter/X account, opened in 2022, never discussed AST SpaceMobile — focusing instead on poker and legacy satellite topics — until August 2025, when Viasat became litigious trying to get out of its spectrum deal with AST; Anpanman said he directly asked Taylor about this timing and received what he called a 'lame excuse' about prior familiarity with direct-to-device via a past EchoStar-related project that never materialized.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:57

    Anpanman characterized Lucky Stewie as consumed by tracking AST investors, noting he tweets about small trading gains (around $2,000 on one recent trade) as if 'rubbing it in' the community's face, and joked that the two most prominent AST critics happen to both be British.

T-Mobile Outlook and Closing Thoughts

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:38:03

    Anpanman said he believes a future T-Mobile commercial deal with AST SpaceMobile is 'fait accompli' — inevitable, with the only question being timing — stating the companies are definitely talking, and predicted the stock reaction to a T-Mobile deal would exceed the rally seen after AST's Verizon agreement.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:38:03

    Anpanman closed by reiterating that anyone who liked AST at $100 should be happy buying or holding at $55-63 given improving fundamentals, and said he felt bullish heading into the Bluebird 11-13 launch and SpaceX's earnings call, framing the launch as 'execution' toward commercial service with Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 following shortly after.

Watch Items5

  • Bluebird 11, 12, and 13 (Block 2) satellite launch from Cape Canaveral

    Early Wednesday morning, launch window approximately 3:42 a.m. to 5:20 a.m. ET Anpanman 00:27:31
  • SpaceX's first public quarterly earnings call as a listed company

    The day after this recording, after market close Anpanman 00:21:55
  • Grain Management 800 MHz spectrum decision/advisor selection

    Anpanman's guess: well before the FCC's November deadline Anpanman 00:29:02
  • Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 shipment

    'Shortly' after Bluebirds 11-13, per Anpanman Anpanman 00:27:31
  • SpaceX IPO lockup expiry

    This week and/or next week, per Anpanman Anpanman 00:17:03

Open Questions5

  • Will SpaceX's first public earnings call deliver a 'beat and raise' as Anpanman expects, or will elevated consensus from newly-initiating analyst coverage make that harder to achieve?

    Anpanman 00:21:55
  • Will SpaceX's IPO lockup expiry trigger a share-price decline as many shorts are betting, or will underweight institutional holders absorb the supply and cause a squeeze?

    Anpanman 00:17:03
  • When will AST SpaceMobile and T-Mobile actually announce a commercial deal, given Anpanman's view that it is inevitable but of uncertain timing?

    Anpanman 00:38:03
  • Will the Grain Management 800 MHz spectrum decision land before the FCC's November deadline as Anpanman speculates?

    Anpanman 00:29:02
  • Will AST SpaceMobile's production cadence close the gap between the current estimated 3-4 satellites per month and the company's 6-per-month target?

    Anpanman 00:27:31
2026-08-03 54:49

248 Satellites vs 650: Why $ASTS Beats Starlink on Efficiency

Kook · Redrum

This solo episode features Kook only, recapping the market turmoil from Leo Aschenbrenner's leveraged hedge fund blowup. He also covers AST SpaceMobile's ($ASTS) accelerating production, Batch 2's imminent launch, and Vodafone's endorsement of the partnership.

Kook dissects Leo Aschenbrenner's roughly $20 billion fund blowing up on 4x leverage, calling it a lesson in factor risk management. He shares his own history of leverage on ASTS, including LEAPS bought at $12 tied to Scott Wisniewski's promotion to president.

Kook says Batch 2 is ready to launch around August 5, 2026, with Batch 3 following soon after, and production advancing through BlueBird 42. He argues ASTS's 248-satellite constellation beats Starlink's 650-satellite fleet on efficiency, citing Vodafone CEO Margarita de la Valle calling the partnership 'worth us working on.'

Kook frames ASTS's link budget as giving it indoor and in-vehicle coverage that Starlink cannot match, expanding its addressable market. He also flags new government launch task orders as a possible early signal of an eventual AST Golden Dome contract.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook, the sole host of this episode, spent significant time drawing risk-management lessons from Leo Aschenbrenner's roughly $20 billion hedge fund blowing up on 4x leverage, noting the fund was effectively long AI on both sides of its book.
  • Kook disclosed his own leverage history on ASTS: unintentional leverage from SPAC redemption trades during COVID that he later unwound, and later deliberate leverage via LEAPS bought when the stock was $12, a bet driven by Scott Wisniewski's promotion to President and Shanti Gupta's promotion to COO.
  • Kook said AST SpaceMobile's Batch 2 satellites are ready to launch around August 5, 2026, with Batch 3 (BlueBirds 14, 15, and 16) expected to follow shortly after.
  • Kook said AST's satellite production has advanced through BlueBird 42.
  • Kook argued AST SpaceMobile's link budget lets it connect indoors, in cars, and outdoors ("3 for 3"), while Starlink's Direct-to-Cell service only works outdoors ("1 for 3"), giving AST a much larger addressable market.
  • Citing calculations attributed to Anpanman, Kook said Starlink's 650-satellite Direct-to-Cell constellation (43,450 sq ft of array) is equivalent to about 18 AST BlueBird satellites, versus about 1.4 for Iridium's constellation and about 0.17 for Globalstar's.
  • Vodafone CEO Margarita de la Valle said of the AST partnership, "it definitely is worth us working on," which Kook cited as key reassurance that the relationship has been worthwhile.
  • Kook said Safaricom has authorized AST SpaceMobile to use a 20-by-20 MHz spectrum band for direct-to-device service.
  • Kook speculated that two newly awarded US government task orders for 18 satellite launches (tied to space-based sensing/tracking from Vandenberg, before the end of 2027) could hint at an eventual Golden Dome contract for AST, since AST has already filed for satellite shells requiring roughly half that many Falcon launches.
  • Kook noted that Japan's J-LEO joint venture between Rakuten and AST appears to already be confirmed in the fine print of AST's convertible bond offering documents, even though it has not been formally announced.
  • Kook said SpaceX appears to be stoking rumors about acquiring Verizon mainly as pressure to secure a mobile virtual network operator (MVNO) deal with a major US carrier, rather than as a literal acquisition plan.
  • Kook noted Amazon's recent FCC filing seeks approval only in L-band and S-band spectrum, leaving AST's low-band position unchallenged, and cited analysis suggesting Amazon's Aquatis joint venture with Viasat may be dead.
  • Redrum closed the episode by asking listeners whether the newly awarded SpaceX Golden Dome-related launches could secretly be tied to an unannounced AST Golden Dome deal.

Detailed Discussion12 topics

Leo Aschenbrenner Hedge Fund Blowup and Risk Management

6
  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:55

    Leo Aschenbrenner's hedge fund, reported around $20 billion, blew up after running roughly 4x leverage; his book was long AI stocks and also effectively long AI on the short side, since his shorts (e.g. Adobe) were 'short AI losers' rather than a true hedge.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:55

    Kook says this reflects a basic factor-risk-management failure: the book was long the momentum and AI factors on both sides, so it behaved as if far more levered than intended.

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:55

    Kook mentions a retail investor named Jacob was also hurt in the fallout, calling it heartbreaking that 'normal victims' get caught in these deleveraging events.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:55

    Kook praises Ken Griffin as one of the best risk managers in the business, contrasting his platform's discipline with Aschenbrenner's apparent lack of a strong risk manager.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:55

    Kook explains the mechanics of a deleveraging 'vortex': as market volatility rises, VaR-based funds are forced to sell regardless of conviction, which cascaded through momentum names including the space sector; SpaceX's stock got hit partly on lockup-expiry selling, which dragged ASTS down too.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:55

    Kook warns against ever holding leveraged ETFs long-term due to time decay, calling them 'absolutely horrible instruments' outside of very short-term trades.

Kook's Personal Leverage History with ASTS

4
  • Kook Speculation 00:19:50

    Kook admits he ran significant unintentional leverage during COVID via SPAC arbitrage trades (buying SPACs redeemable near a $10 floor funded at near-0% rates), but got 'sloppy' and held positions after the NAV floor protection went away, coming close to a lack of sufficient account collateral.

  • Kook Speculation 00:19:50

    Kook says he later took deliberate, non-recourse leverage via LEAPS options on ASTS when the stock was $12, driven by high conviction after AST promoted Scott Wisniewski to President and Shanti Gupta to COO, which he read as confirmation Block 1 would not be a failure.

  • Kook Untagged 00:19:50

    The stock ran from $12 to $40 and then stabilized in the $20s; Kook calls this a 'point-in-time tactical' leverage decision, not a long-term strategy, and says he has been working to unwind that leverage ever since.

  • Kook Speculation 00:19:50

    Kook contrasts himself with Aschenbrenner, who kept constant leverage even as his book's returns grew, arguing that if you're not a trained risk professional you should generally just own shares outright, and that leverage (if ever used) belongs when a stock is down significantly, not near highs.

Production Ramp: Batch 2 Ready, Batch 3 Next

4
  • Kook Company Guidance 00:19:50

    Kook says Batch 2 satellites are ready to go and the company's launch cadence is picking up, with 'launch over launch' expected in about a month and a half.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:19:50

    Batch 3, comprising BlueBirds 14, 15, and 16, is expected to follow 'right after' Batch 2, not far after.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:21:32

    Kook states satellite production is now advancing through BlueBird 42.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook compares AST's manufacturing ramp to Tesla's Model 3 'production hell,' arguing AST has now beaten that phase and is delivering satellites at scale rather than just being a 'concept stock.'

Launch Cadence and Beta Service Timeline

4
  • Kook Company Guidance 00:21:32

    Kook relays that Scott Wisniewski has said AST is positioned for beta commercial service later this year, which implies additional launches beyond Batch 3.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook expects AST's upcoming earnings call (referenced as 'next Monday') to provide more clarity on 2026 launch cadence, speculating the company could announce it has booked additional Falcon 9 launches using proceeds from its recent convertible note.

  • Kook Untagged 00:21:32

    Kook cites a graphic by Anpanman illustrating what stacking 3 versus 8 BlueBird satellites in a single launch looks like, and a tweet by community member @SubaruWRX0219 showing that just 3 satellites in a row can cover the continental US with their beam radius.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook relays that an analyst referred to as Kevin Chen pointed out Vodafone CEO Margarita de la Valle stating Vodafone expects to have 45 satellites at the beginning of 2027, which Kook takes as a sign Vodafone has visibility into AST's launch plans; this is Vodafone's statement, not AST's own guidance.

ASTS vs Starlink: Link Budget and TAM

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook cites network consultant Joe Madden's analysis that ASTS's total addressable market is much larger than Starlink's because ASTS's superior link budget lets it work indoors, which Starlink cannot.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook summarizes: ASTS can close the link budget in a car, indoors, and outdoors ('3 for 3'), while Starlink can only close it outdoors ('1 for 3').

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook explains that ASTS's network is architecturally integrated with MNO spectrum, so an underconnected phone seamlessly pulls from satellite slices without roaming, whereas Starlink's direct-to-cell service works as on/off roaming that a phone tries to avoid.

Margarita de la Valle and Size Matters: 248 Satellites vs Competitors

4
  • Kook Confirmed 00:21:32

    Kook quotes Vodafone CEO Margarita de la Valle saying of the AST partnership, 'it definitely is worth us working on,' which he took as major reassurance that the relationship has not been a waste of time.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook argues AST's 248-satellite constellation can match what competitors need thousands (Starlink) or even a filed 1 million (SpaceX/AI data center constellation) satellites to do, making AST's fleet fundamentally more manageable for fleet operations.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Citing calculations by Anpanman comparing total array area: Globalstar's 25-satellite constellation (400 sq ft of array) equals about 0.17 of an AST satellite; Iridium's constellation (3,450 sq ft, built for over $3 billion nearly 30 years ago) equals about 1.4 AST satellites; and Starlink's 650-satellite Direct-to-Cell fleet (43,450 sq ft) equals about 18 AST satellites.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook recounts that AST engineers told him the small-array 'swarm' coordination approach AST originally considered 'just doesn't work,' which is why AST abandoned it in favor of large single arrays — implying rivals attempting a swarm approach may hit the same wall.

Spectrum Deals and the Scotiabank Thesis

3
  • Kook Confirmed 00:21:32

    Kook states Safaricom has authorized AST SpaceMobile to use a 20-by-20 MHz spectrum band for direct-to-device services, at no cost to AST.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook explains what the community previously called the 'Scotiabank thesis' (now renamed after cutting ties with Scotiabank over perceived short-bias conflicts): that AST's real value to MNOs is capital efficiency, letting them deploy licensed spectrum without building towers, freeing up CapEx for uses like stock buybacks.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook argues spectrum holders such as Sirius, Grain Management, Ligado, and NexNav are all filing with the FCC to enable their spectrum for supplemental coverage from space, implying AST is the only current solution that can accommodate low-band spectrum for this use.

Unannounced Announcements: J-LEO, Japan, and Sovereignty

3
  • Kook Confirmed 00:21:32

    Kook says Japan's Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications selecting a Rakuten/AST joint venture (J-LEO) is effectively already confirmed in the fine print of AST's convertible bond offering documents, even though it has not been formally announced.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook notes community member Katzi found FCC documents suggesting testing has commenced in Japan, and cites recent APAC business-development and Japan-focused technical-lead hires as further circumstantial signals, while acknowledging he isn't certain what these hires mean.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook argues AST's system is designed 'sovereign first,' citing research (credited to Rocket Tank 123 and a researcher called Smith) on Canadian and Bahamian government documents emphasizing sovereignty and control, a pattern he says is echoed across Satellite Connect Europe, J-LEO, and US deals.

Amazon's Constellation and Golden Dome Hints

4
  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook says he only partially read Amazon's newly filed constellation documents but notes Amazon is seeking FCC approval only in L-band and S-band, not threatening AST's low-band position, and it remains unclear how Amazon reaches market with its service.

  • Kook Rumor 00:21:32

    Kook cites analysis from 'Mega Constellations' suggesting Viasat's Aquatis joint venture (with Amazon) is likely dead.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:21:32

    Kook notes the US government awarded two additional task orders (separate from an existing Sierra/L3Harris order slated for 2028-2029) for 18 satellite launches related to space-based sensing and tracking, from Vandenberg, before the end of 2027.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook speculates ('hopium') that these 18 launches could hint AST is finally close to a Golden Dome deal, noting AST has filed for 2 Sun-Synchronous-Orbit (SSO) shells with 28 satellites planned, requiring roughly 9 Falcon launches — about half of the just-awarded task order's launch count.

SpaceX MVNO Rumors and Verizon Speculation

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook says SpaceX appears to be stoking rumors about acquiring Verizon, which he and Anpanman believe is really pressure/noise aimed at securing an MVNO deal to resell wireless service as a 'SpaceX phone' using a major carrier's network plus Starlink satellites.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Kook expects SpaceX to ultimately pivot its TAM narrative toward AI data centers in space rather than the wireless business, which trades at a much lower revenue multiple than SpaceX itself.

FUD Review and Staying Disciplined

2
  • Kook Untagged 00:21:32

    Kook references a long 'FUD Review' tweet by Katzi cataloging predictions the Space Mob community made that skeptics ('FUDsters') dismissed but that turned out true.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:32

    Reflecting on Aschenbrenner's collapse, Kook says he constantly questions whether he could become 'the next Leo,' and discloses his own net worth is down about 50% over the past two months, which he attributes to a market correction rather than a new negative signal.

Closing Outlook for August

3
  • Kook Company Guidance 00:53:29

    Kook says Batch 2 launches this week, on the 5th; due to a heavy travel schedule over the next three weeks he plans to watch from home on YouTube rather than travel to Florida, and may do an extended pre-launch stream reading his research.

  • Kook Speculation 00:53:29

    Kook argues July was an extreme tail-risk 'clearing event' (the hedge fund blowup, war, oil-price spikes) and that historically, forward market performance tends to be strong after such events, making him cautiously optimistic for August, while explicitly disclaiming any ability to forecast prices.

  • Redrum Speculation 00:55:34

    Redrum closes the episode asking listeners in the comments whether the 18 newly awarded SpaceX Falcon 9 launches could secretly be tied to an unannounced AST Golden Dome deal.

Watch Items4

  • AST SpaceMobile Batch 2 satellite launch

    on the 5th (August 5, 2026) Kook 00:53:29
  • Batch 3 launch (BlueBirds 14, 15, 16)

    right after Batch 2 Kook 00:19:50
  • AST SpaceMobile earnings call, possible launch-cadence clarity

    next Monday Kook 00:21:32
  • Beta commercial service launch

    later this year Kook 00:21:32

Open Questions5

  • Will AST SpaceMobile receive a Golden Dome government contract, as hinted by two newly awarded task orders for 18 satellite launches?

    Kook 00:21:32
  • When will Japan's J-LEO joint venture between Rakuten and AST be formally announced, given it already appears in bond-offering fine print?

    Kook 00:21:32
  • What additional clarity will AST provide on 2026 launch cadence at its upcoming earnings call?

    Kook 00:21:32
  • Will SpaceX secure an MVNO deal with a major US carrier such as Verizon?

    Kook 00:21:32
  • Is Amazon's Aquatis joint venture with Viasat dead, and what is Amazon's actual path to market given its L-band/S-band-only FCC filing?

    Kook 00:21:32
2026-07-31 25:47

Why Is Citadel Suddenly Trading AST SpaceMobile?

Kook · Redrum

This solo episode features Kook, recorded while driving in New York traffic, breaking down unusual Citadel trading activity across AST SpaceMobile and other momentum stocks. It follows the forced liquidation of hedge fund Situational Awareness, run by an investor Kook calls Leo. Redrum appears briefly at the close for the podcast's regular listener-comment outro.

Kook noticed Citadel went from zero trading volume to the top trader in Situational Awareness holdings like T1 Energy, NBIS, IREN, and SanDisk within a single day. He believes this shows Citadel bought Leo's distressed book at a discount, in a process that also drew bids from Millennium and Jane Street.

Kook then found Citadel newly active as a top trader in ASTS, Rocket Lab, SpaceX, Redwire, and Intuitive Machines. He theorizes Citadel hedged the beta exposure of its newly acquired momentum book using options, swaps, or short positions rather than holding it unhedged.

Kook's headline conclusion is that this roughly 8-to-10-sigma deleveraging event, which dragged AST down to about $50-51 on Wednesday despite no AST-specific news, has now flushed excess leverage from the system. He argues this leaves risk-reward more attractive heading into a month with AST catalysts still ahead in August.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook, on a solo episode recorded while driving, analyzed unusual Citadel trading activity after hedge fund Situational Awareness (run by an investor he calls Leo) was forced to unwind its book.
  • Citadel went from zero advertised trading volume in T1 Energy, NBIS, IREN, and SanDisk over six days to becoming the top trader in each name in a single day, which Kook takes as evidence Citadel took on a large chunk of Situational Awareness's liquidated portfolio.
  • Citadel also became the top trader in AST SpaceMobile (ASTS), Rocket Lab, SpaceX, Redwire, and Intuitive Machines after not trading these names in the prior six days, even though none of these were confirmed Situational Awareness holdings.
  • Kook speculates Citadel hedged the beta exposure of its newly acquired momentum-stock book using put options, custom swaps with banks, or short positions in correlated names like ASTS, rather than holding the long book unhedged.
  • Kook says a hedge fund contact told him Situational Awareness was already rumored to be shopping and unwinding positions as early as the Wednesday of the prior week, well before public reporting.
  • Kook compares the situation to 2008 financial-crisis dynamics: funds with cross-holdings to a distressed fund sell first, and some then short the distressed fund's remaining positions anticipating forced liquidation, creating overswings to the downside.
  • AST SpaceMobile stock fell to around $50-51 during Wednesday's selloff even though ASTS was not a Situational Awareness holding, which Kook attributes to correlated margin deleveraging across momentum names rather than any AST-specific news.
  • Kook estimates Situational Awareness's gross book had grown to roughly $40-45 billion before the forced unwind, after which founder Leo was left with about $10 billion of AUM, including private holdings such as a stake in Anthropic.
  • Kook cites reports that at least two hedge funds were down 40-50% for the month, with broader hedge fund strategies down mid-to-high single digits as of the prior week.
  • Kook's overall conclusion is that with leverage now flushed from the system, risk-reward has improved for high-beta stocks like AST SpaceMobile heading into what he calls a month with meaningful AST catalysts still ahead in August.
  • Redrum closes the episode asking listeners whether Citadel's overnight jump to become the top AST SpaceMobile trader was coincidence or a deliberate hedge.

Detailed Discussion7 topics

Citadel's Trading Activity Following Situational Awareness's Unwind

7
  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:33

    Kook checked trading data and found Citadel had zero advertised volume in T1 Energy over the prior six days, then became the number one trader in T1 Energy the day after news broke that Situational Awareness's fund was in trouble.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:01:37

    Kook extended the check to other Situational Awareness holdings — NBIS, IREN, and SanDisk — and found Citadel became the top trader in each after showing no activity over the prior six days, suggesting Citadel took on a large share of Leo's liquidated book.

  • Kook Speculation 00:01:37

    Kook speculates Citadel likely bought Situational Awareness's book at a discount, guessing it could have been in the 15-30% range, in a competitive process that also involved Millennium, Jane Street, and possibly banks bidding on the portfolio.

  • Kook Speculation 00:01:37

    Kook noted Citadel was NOT a top trader in Sharon AI, a name where Situational Awareness had recently done a private placement, speculating any remaining Situational stake there may now be restricted or subject to a holding period from that private deal.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:04:38

    After someone jokingly asked whether Citadel was trading AST SpaceMobile, Kook checked and found Citadel was in fact the number one trader in ASTS, a stock Citadel had shown no advertised trading in over the prior six days.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:04:38

    Kook also found Citadel newly active as a top trader in Rocket Lab, SpaceX, Redwire, and Intuitive Machines, but said this pattern did not extend to smaller-cap space names, only to the larger, more liquid ones.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:05:18

    Kook checked non-space names too and found Citadel newly active as a top trader in Robinhood and Coinbase, again with no prior activity over the previous six days, reinforcing that Citadel's new trading footprint spans multiple high-momentum sectors, not just space stocks.

Kook's Theory on Why Citadel Is Hedging

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:06:41

    Kook theorizes that after absorbing several billion dollars of high-beta, high-momentum long positions from Situational Awareness, Citadel would not want to carry unhedged market-beta exposure, so it likely hedged using listed put options, custom swaps arranged through banks like Goldman, or over-the-counter puts on correlated names.

  • Kook Speculation 00:06:41

    Kook offers an alternative explanation: that during Wednesday's rally, Citadel may have directly entered short positions in some of these correlated names, potentially including ASTS, specifically to hedge the beta of the book it was absorbing.

Rumors and Timeline of the Situational Awareness Unwind

2
  • Kook Rumor 00:07:59

    Kook says a contact in the hedge fund world told him rumors were circulating as early as the prior Wednesday that Situational Awareness was unwinding and shopping some of its positions, well before Kook or retail investors became aware of it.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:13:17

    Kook cites Wall Street Journal and Bloomberg reporting that Situational Awareness's Leo had been shopping some of his private stakes for roughly two to three weeks before the public unwind became apparent.

2008-Style Forced Liquidation Dynamics

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:09:26

    Kook draws on his own experience from the 2008 financial crisis, explaining that when a hedge fund is known to be in trouble, other funds first sell any cross-held long positions to get ahead of the distressed fund's forced selling.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:59

    Kook explains that disciplined funds may then go further and short the distressed fund's other positions, anticipating forced liquidation will drive the price down; this collective shorting creates a self-reinforcing overswing to the downside as the distressed fund is forced to accept whatever price it can get.

  • Kook Speculation 00:13:17

    Kook notes that during deleveraging events, correlation between otherwise-unrelated stocks effectively goes to 1, because funds and retail accounts holding correlated momentum names sell down whichever ones they believe in least to meet margin calls.

Impact on AST SpaceMobile

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:10:59

    Kook says AST SpaceMobile fell to around $50-51 on Wednesday during the forced-selling event, even though ASTS was not a confirmed Situational Awareness holding, attributing the drop to correlated margin-driven selling of momentum names rather than any AST-specific news.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:59

    Kook explains that after-hours on Wednesday, positions moved a further 3-5% lower even after markets had already closed at their lows, which he read as a sign someone was being forcibly liquidated overnight.

Scale of the Deleveraging Event

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:15:47

    Kook estimates the deleveraging event was roughly an 8-to-10-sigma event, well beyond a typical 2-to-3-sigma move, though he caveats he would need to double check the exact figure.

  • Kook Speculation 00:15:47

    Kook says Situational Awareness's gross book had grown to roughly $40-45 billion before the forced unwind; founder Leo reportedly came out the other side with about $10 billion of AUM remaining, which includes private holdings such as a stake in Anthropic.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:17:11

    Kook cites Bloomberg reporting that at least two additional hedge funds were down roughly 40-50% for the month alone, with broader hedge fund strategies down mid-to-high single digits as of the prior week, which he called a high figure for the industry average.

Market Outlook and Investor Takeaways

4
  • Kook Speculation 00:19:58

    Kook argues that now that unhealthy leverage has been flushed out of the system, risk-reward has become more attractive across high-beta names, including AST SpaceMobile, since fundamentals for many of these companies remain positive even as concerns about an AI bubble persist.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:09

    Kook advises investors not to fixate on making back paper losses from prior peaks, to avoid trading on margin, and to focus on riding out volatility while holding high-conviction positions, framing this as important for mental health during drawdowns.

  • Kook Speculation 00:22:19

    Kook observes that cycles of market euphoria followed by deleveraging seem to be happening more frequently, citing the April tariff tantrum and an October crypto selloff as recent prior examples of similar dynamics.

  • Kook Speculation 00:23:26

    Kook closes by estimating that roughly $45 billion of deployed capital came out of the market from Situational Awareness alone, a figure he says is further multiplied by other hedge funds and retail Korean margin investors also forced to liquidate correlated positions; he expects a healthier market going forward with AST's August catalysts still ahead.

Watch Items1

  • AST SpaceMobile's upcoming stock catalysts

    August Kook 00:23:26

Open Questions4

  • Was Citadel's overnight jump from zero volume to the number one trader in AST SpaceMobile a coincidence or a deliberate hedge?

    Redrum 00:23:26
  • Is the recent market bounce a dead cat bounce, or will stocks continue to grind lower?

    Kook 00:19:58
  • Will the Fed continue giving forward guidance or shift to a more data-driven approach, and how might events like the Iran war situation affect markets?

    Kook 00:17:11
  • Why did Citadel not show up as a top trader in Sharon AI despite Situational Awareness having a position there?

    Kook 00:01:37
2026-07-31 1:14:59

AST SpaceMobile: Why This Selloff Isn't About Fundamentals

Anpanman · Redrum

This AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode, published July 31, 2026, is a solo hour-plus session from longtime host Anpanman, with a brief outro from podcast operator Redrum. Anpanman explains why ASTS cratered from a $133 high to as low as $56 in a matter of weeks.

He argues the crash was a market-wide, multi-sigma deleveraging event driven by margin calls and hedge-fund "degrossing," not a change in AST's fundamentals. He cites retail selling at the fastest pace since COVID, cross-ownership with over-leveraged Korean retail traders, and rumors that hedge fund Situational was unwinding positions.

He also dismisses a Semafor report suggesting SpaceX might buy wireless spectrum or a carrier like Verizon or T-Mobile, calling it a SpaceX-sourced pressure tactic against the pending AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile-AST joint venture. He then runs through near-term AST catalysts: an August 5 Falcon 9 launch, BlueBirds 14-16 shipping, Grain Management spectrum, and August 10 earnings.

Anpanman's headline view is that AST SpaceMobile's fundamentals have improved since the stock's $133 peak despite losing Blue Origin as a launch partner, and that the stock looks undervalued and closer to a bottom, though he stresses avoiding margin leverage throughout.

Key Takeaways

  • ASTS stock fell from an all-time high of $133 to as low as $56 (briefly touching $51 in forced after-hours selling) during a broad, multi-week market deleveraging event, not because of AST-specific fundamental problems, according to Anpanman.
  • Anpanman attributes the selloff to forced margin selling and hedge-fund 'degrossing' of leveraged long/short trades (e.g., long semiconductors, short consumer staples), which he says temporarily decouples stock moves from company fundamentals.
  • Retail investors sold at the fastest pace since COVID; Anpanman highlights cross-ownership between Korean retail investors and US high-beta names like AST SpaceMobile and Rocket Lab as an amplifier of the cascading selloff.
  • Rumors that hedge fund Situational was unwinding leveraged positions last week contributed to pressure on names it held; Anpanman says fundamentals stop mattering during forced deleveraging events but reassert themselves once the deleveraging is over.
  • A Semafor article suggested SpaceX might seek to acquire wireless spectrum or even buy a carrier like Verizon or T-Mobile; Anpanman believes this is a SpaceX-sourced leak meant to pressure carriers ahead of the AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile-AST joint venture going definitive.
  • Anpanman calculates SpaceX buying Verizon (enterprise value about $384 billion) would likely require an all-cash deal near $500 billion given SpaceX's $1.5 trillion valuation, and would dilute SpaceX's growth multiple by turning it into a wireless carrier, making the scenario highly unlikely.
  • AST SpaceMobile has a Falcon 9 launch scheduled for early morning on August 5, 2026, from Cape Canaveral, with Anpanman planning to attend; AST's next earnings call is scheduled for August 10, 2026.
  • AST SpaceMobile is expected to ship BlueBirds 14, 15, and 16 from Midland to Florida within the next few weeks, which Anpanman reads as a positive sign of accelerating production cadence.
  • Formal details of the Rakuten J.Leo joint venture are expected within the next few weeks, potentially before AST's August 10 earnings call.
  • Grain Management, holder of former T-Mobile 800 MHz spectrum, is running a solicitation process to decide how to deploy that spectrum with a direct-to-device operator; Anpanman believes AST SpaceMobile is the only qualified low-band direct-to-device satellite operator and thus the most likely partner.
  • Anpanman expects a definitive agreement on the AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile satellite joint venture with AST SpaceMobile to be announced relatively soon, based on executive comments the prior week.
  • Anpanman does not expect AST SpaceMobile to raise its full-year revenue guidance on the upcoming earnings call because of launch delays tied to the loss of BlueBird 7 in the Blue Origin New Glenn anomaly, and guesses guidance could be trimmed toward the lower end of its range.
  • Anpanman believes AST SpaceMobile is undervalued at current prices and could recover toward the $90s relatively quickly once markets refocus on fundamentals rather than deleveraging dynamics.

Detailed Discussion5 topics

The Market Deleveraging Event

8
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:01

    A chart he tweeted showed retail selling happening at the fastest pace since COVID, part of a massive, multi-sigma deleveraging event where borrowed money had to come out of the system very quickly.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:01

    A person who had held AST SpaceMobile since the NPA (SPAC merger) days, with an average cost likely in the mid-to-high single digits, sold their position two days before this recording because they no longer felt comfortable; they had hoped to retire when the stock hit $133 but couldn't after the drawdown to $55-56.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:18:42

    He described how hedge funds 'gross up' leverage — investing multiples of their actual capital long and short simultaneously — and how 'degrossing' during a risk event forces them to sell long positions (like momentum/AI names) and cover shorts (like consumer staples) at the same time, distorting how index-level moves look relative to individual stock carnage.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:09

    He framed the AI CapEx spending debate as an 'arms race,' borrowing a framing from Reformed Trader comparing it to the US-Soviet Star Wars arms race, and said AI demand is 'inexorable' even if there are boom-bust cycles ahead.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:23:14

    There were rumors that hedge fund Situational was winding down leveraged positions last week, which he only learned about the day of this recording; a number of names in which Situational held stakes have since rebounded on the view that forced selling from that fund is largely done.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:23:14

    SanDisk and Micron have pulled back sharply but remain up 3-4x since the start of the year, illustrating that even names hit hard by the deleveraging event are still fundamentally strong for holders who weren't on margin.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:26:41

    After Meta's earnings release pressured the Nasdaq, ASTS saw forced selling that pushed it down to $51, which he interprets as a sign of margin calls hitting after the market close — a hallmark of pure capitulation.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:49

    He believes markets are closer to a bottom because a large amount of leverage has been taken out of the system — he cited tweets estimating hedge funds had unwound roughly 50-60% of the leverage deployed since the big run began in April — though he cautioned there could still be more shoes to drop.

AST SpaceMobile Fundamentals Versus the Selloff

4
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:34:45

    He argued that if investors loved AST SpaceMobile at $130, they should love it more at $56-58, because he believes the company's fundamentals have improved, not deteriorated, since the stock's high.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:34:45

    He acknowledged the negative of losing Blue Origin as a launch partner (referring to the BlueBird 7 New Glenn anomaly) but noted AST has since raised money and bought additional Falcon 9 launches, plus has a launch coming up next week, as positives offsetting that setback.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:16:00

    He said he personally sold roughly a third of his more speculative AST position into the $130s on the way up, then began reallocating capital back into the stock as it fell into the low hundreds, 90s, and 80s, continuing to buy on the way down.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:16:00

    He said no one can perfectly time tops or bottoms and that beating yourself up over not selling at the exact top is unproductive, since most people who sold at $130 would likely have started buying back somewhere on the way down anyway.

SpaceX Spectrum/Carrier Acquisition Rumors

8
  • Anpanman Rumor 00:41:24

    A Semafor article suggested SpaceX was either seeking to acquire wireless spectrum or buy a carrier; the market initially sold off T-Mobile, AT&T, and Verizon on the report, before T-Mobile recovered on speculation SpaceX might target it specifically.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:41:24

    A related article speculated, via unnamed former and current Verizon executives, that Verizon could sell itself, following new Verizon CEO Dan Schulman's cost-cutting moves; he noted such 'people familiar with the matter' sourcing (as opposed to 'sources with direct knowledge') typically reflects advisors or bankers floating trial balloons, not company principals.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:24

    He noted the Semafor article referenced SpaceX pursuing C-band spectrum (3.5-4 GHz), which he said is the wrong band for direct-to-device coverage (600-900 MHz is needed), suggesting the reporters don't fully understand what they're describing.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:39

    He believes SpaceX is the source of these leaks, aiming to pressure one of AT&T, Verizon, or T-Mobile into an MVNO agreement with Starlink and sow a 'prisoner's dilemma' among the three carriers ahead of their joint venture with AST SpaceMobile becoming a definitive agreement.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:39

    He recalled a similar prior leak: shortly after the AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile joint venture was announced and Gwynne Shotwell said SpaceX would compete against it, a Bloomberg article surfaced claiming Starlink was in talks with Charter Communications about a working relationship, which he characterized as a similar psyop.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:39

    He estimated Verizon's enterprise value at about $384 billion versus SpaceX's roughly $1.5 trillion enterprise value; since Verizon shareholders would likely demand an all-cash deal rather than SpaceX stock, SpaceX would need to raise roughly $500 billion or more in cash to acquire it.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:39

    He projected SpaceX 2027 revenue at $72.6 billion (up from an estimated $38.9 billion in 2026), versus Verizon's projected $143 billion of 2027 revenue (versus $141 billion in 2026); buying Verizon would make SpaceX predominantly a wireless-service company and likely cause its valuation multiple to derate from about 39x 2026 revenue toward something closer to Verizon's own multiple (roughly 2.5x revenue).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:39

    For these reasons he considers it highly unlikely, though not impossible, that SpaceX buys T-Mobile, Verizon, or AT&T; he also noted regulators focused on sovereignty would resist a US entity like SpaceX controlling foreign MNOs if it set that precedent domestically.

AST SpaceMobile Catalyst Tracker

6
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:58:01

    A Falcon 9 launch is coming up next week; he is arriving the afternoon of August 4 and departing the afternoon of August 5, with the launch happening early morning on August 5, and no company-sponsored event this time since earnings fall the same week.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:58:01

    AST's next earnings report is coming up on August 10; formal J.Leo (Rakuten joint venture) details are likely to be announced in the next few weeks and could land before that earnings call depending on how quickly AST and Rakuten finalize the joint venture terms.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:01:24

    Grain Management, which owns former T-Mobile 800 MHz spectrum, is awaiting FCC approval to test with AST SpaceMobile and is running a solicitation process, hiring advisors to determine how the spectrum will be deployed with a direct-to-device operator; the FCC requires deployment of most of the spectrum within a year, and he believes AST is the only qualified low-band direct-to-device satellite operator, likely for use in the AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile joint venture or IoT applications.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:01:24

    He expects some military contract awards 'soon,' based on hints from due diligence that something is 'cooking and brewing.'

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 01:01:24

    BlueBirds 14, 15, and 16 are expected to ship from Midland to Florida in the next few weeks; unlike the prior batch (8, 9, 10) where the company didn't mention the next satellites shipping soon, this time AST mentioned 14-16 shipping alongside its recent launch-date disclosure, which he reads as positive language pointing to an accelerating production cadence.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:01:24

    AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile executives said this past week that the satellite joint venture with AST SpaceMobile is 'coming along nicely' and being negotiated well, with a definitive agreement expected to be announced soon; he views the recent SpaceX spectrum/carrier noise as evidence the JV announcement is getting close and someone is trying to disrupt it.

Listener Q&A

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  • Anpanman Speculation 01:07:57

    Asked about short-squeeze potential, he said true squeezes require a structurally crowded trade or spiking borrow rates; he noted some hedge funds are long SpaceX and short AST as a hedge, and unwinding that pairs trade could contribute to a squeeze-like move, but he thinks a bigger driver would be markets simply refocusing on AST's fundamentals, which could take the stock back toward the $90s relatively quickly.

  • Anpanman Untagged 01:07:57

    Asked if he regrets being seen as 'the face' of the ASTS community and whether he gets blamed by margin-liquidated investors, he said he has not received negative messages, only encouragement, credits a large multi-year due-diligence community rather than himself alone, and reiterated that he has always told people not to use margin/leverage and that anyone long AST on margin will eventually be humbled.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:09:57

    Asked whether the US beta service and Vodafone's stated need for 45 satellites in service imply an updated launch chart on the upcoming earnings call, he said the US beta service will likely launch with fewer satellites (aided by FirstNet-specific use cases) while Vodafone wants a more fulsome service and will wait for more satellites, but he is not sure AST will share an updated launch chart on this particular earnings call.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:09:57

    On how SpaceX's upcoming earnings release and insider lockup expiry might affect ASTS, he said this will be SpaceX's first public quarterly discussion of its business and competitive landscape; a strong quarter could be a relief for the space sector broadly, but the lockup unlock (with SpaceX shares heavily shorted at over 230 million shares) makes the net stock impact hard to call, especially since SpaceX stock is already trading below its IPO price.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:09:57

    Asked whether he expects AST to raise full-year revenue guidance, he said no, because launch timing has been delayed by the loss of Blue Origin as a launch partner, and guessed the company might instead sharpen guidance toward the lower end of its range, though he allowed there could also be additional contract wins.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:12:19

    Asked whether bigger market players deliberately target hot names once they get 'too close to the sun' (referencing Situational's blowup), he said he doesn't believe this was coordinated — it was a broad deleveraging event caused by multiple factors, though he allowed some detractors may have wanted to see Situational fail.

Watch Items8

  • AST SpaceMobile Falcon 9 launch of the next BlueBird batch

    early morning, August 5, 2026 Anpanman 00:58:01
  • AST SpaceMobile earnings call

    August 10, 2026 Anpanman 00:58:01
  • Formal Rakuten J.Leo joint venture details

    next few weeks, possibly before August 10 earnings Anpanman 00:58:01
  • Grain Management 800 MHz spectrum deployment decision / FCC approval

    pending, solicitation process underway Anpanman 01:01:24
  • New US military/government contract awards

    expected soon Anpanman 01:01:24
  • BlueBirds 14, 15, and 16 shipping from Midland to Florida

    next few weeks Anpanman 01:01:24
  • AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile joint venture definitive agreement announcement

    relatively soon, within the next few weeks Anpanman 01:01:24
  • SpaceX Q2 earnings release and insider lockup expiry

    next week Anpanman 01:09:57

Open Questions4

  • Are markets at or close to a bottom of the deleveraging-driven selloff, or is more forced selling still to come?

    Anpanman 00:29:49
  • Will AST SpaceMobile share an updated launch chart or path to 45 satellites in early 2027 on its upcoming earnings call?

    Anpanman 01:09:57
  • Will AST SpaceMobile raise its full-year revenue guidance on the August 10 earnings call?

    Anpanman 01:09:57
  • How will SpaceX's first public quarterly earnings release and insider lockup expiry affect ASTS stock next week?

    Anpanman 01:09:57
2026-07-27 53:55

AST SpaceMobile: Amazon Files for 5,000 Satellites

Anpanman · Redrum

This is a solo AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode featuring only Anpanman, recorded amid a sharp market pullback. He reacts to Amazon's new FCC filing for a 5,000-plus satellite direct-to-device constellation and what it means for ASTS.

Anpanman explains Amazon's filing is a regulatory placeholder using existing Globalstar spectrum, similar to how Astra filed for 10,000 satellites in 2021 without ever building them. He argues AST's Ligado deal creates a US spectrum "poison pill" that could eventually push Viasat toward a partnership or lease with AST for international L-band rights.

He walks through mid-band and C-band spectrum economics, citing a $12-20 billion cost to deploy low-band nationwide versus $35-60 billion for C-band, and ties this to AT&T CEO John Stankey's recent comments about CapEx savings from satellite coverage. He also flags that 25-35% of terrestrial coverage is only one bar, a large addressable gap for direct-to-device, and recounts a hedge fund short seller who didn't know AST has a growing government business.

Anpanman expects Q2 2026 earnings around August 10-11 and a BlueBird 11/12/13 launch the week of August 3. He closes with a lengthy, candid discussion of margin, options, and risk management lessons after a community member suffered a catastrophic trading loss, and reminds listeners that ASTS's pullback from over $100 to $56 mirrors last year's levels.

Key Takeaways

  • Amazon filed with the FCC for a direct-to-device constellation of over 5,000 satellites, using existing Globalstar spectrum in the US and broader L-band/S-band filings internationally, with an architecture Anpanman says resembles Starlink rather than AST SpaceMobile.
  • Anpanman characterizes Amazon's filing as a regulatory placeholder to preserve spectrum rights, comparing it to failed launch company Astra's 2021 FCC filing for a 10,000-satellite fixed wireless broadband constellation that never came to fruition.
  • AST SpaceMobile's Ligado transaction gives it 80-year US rights to L-band spectrum, which Anpanman calls a "poison pill" for Viasat, since any company using Viasat's international L-band spectrum would have to operate without the most profitable US mobile broadband market.
  • Anpanman speculates AST could eventually partner with or lease spectrum from Viasat internationally, or alternatively pursue country-by-country regulatory allocations on its own, given Viasat is not fully utilizing its global L-band holdings.
  • Citing spectrum-deployment cost statistics, Anpanman says nationwide low-band deployment costs $12-20 billion, mid-band costs $20-35 billion, and C-band costs $35-60 billion, with C-band requiring roughly 7 cell towers versus 1 for 700 MHz for equivalent coverage.
  • AT&T CEO John Stankey recently said publicly, for the first time among major carrier executives per Anpanman, that satellite coverage could allow CapEx savings by decommissioning uneconomic terrestrial towers in low-usage areas.
  • Anpanman estimates that 25-35% of terrestrial cellular coverage in the US is serviced by only one signal bar, which he calls largely non-functional service, representing a large addressable opportunity for AST's direct-to-device technology.
  • He also estimates, combining one-bar coverage gaps with the fact that carriers' population-coverage claims of 97-99% mask true geographic coverage of only 75-80% of US land area, that only around half of the US is served by genuinely strong terrestrial signal.
  • Anpanman recounts a conversation in which an institutional hedge fund portfolio manager who is short AST SpaceMobile (as a hedge against a SpaceX long position) reportedly had no idea AST has a government/defense business including Golden Dome and SDA contracts.
  • AST SpaceMobile's next launch, carrying BlueBird 11, 12, and 13, is expected the week of August 3, 2026, with Anpanman estimating a date around August 6-8 and possibly as late as August 10.
  • Anpanman expects AST's Q2 2026 earnings call around August 10 or 11, 2026, based on last year's August 11 earnings date and the company's preference for Monday reporting.
  • A community member named Jacob reportedly suffered a catastrophic account loss from options trading, which Anpanman uses as a cautionary example for a broader discussion on margin and options risk management.
  • Anpanman discusses macro headwinds including the Iran conflict, an upcoming Fed meeting where rate-hike odds have risen from about 20% to 40%, and notes ASTS stock has fallen from over $100 to $56, a level last seen a year earlier.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

Amazon's 5,000+ Satellite FCC Filing

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:02:07

    Amazon filed with the FCC for a direct-to-device constellation of over 5,000 satellites, in addition to previously committed plans to deploy Globalstar replenishment satellites (currently being built by MDA Space, delayed) and a next-generation batch of roughly 50 satellites based on Aurora satellites from DA Space.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:02:07

    The new constellation will use existing US Globalstar spectrum plus broader L-band and S-band spectrum filed internationally; Amazon specifically did not request Supplemental Coverage from Space authority because the Globalstar spectrum is already approved for satellite-to-device MSS use, the same spectrum currently used by Apple iPhones.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:07

    Anpanman calls this a regulatory placeholder — a common industry practice where companies file a large constellation to preserve spectrum rights and start the regulatory process, comparing it to failed launch company Astra's 2021 FCC filing for a 10,000-satellite fixed wireless broadband constellation that never came to fruition.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:07

    The filed architecture will reportedly be similar to Starlink's rather than AST's, and will also focus on mid-band spectrum in addition to the existing Globalstar bands; many details in the filing are confidential or redacted.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:07

    Anpanman expects other satellite operators such as Rocket Lab and Iridium to file similar large placeholder constellations (he guesses on the order of 4,000-5,000 satellites) with the FCC over the next few months to preserve their own spectrum rights and demonstrate expansion plans to regulators.

Ligado, Viasat and the Spectrum "Poison Pill"

4
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:24

    Mega Constellations (an outside account) speculated Amazon's filing could be a first move toward a deal for Viasat's ex-US L-band spectrum, but Anpanman notes the US rights to that spectrum are actually owned by Ligado, and AST already holds the 80-year rights to it via its Ligado transaction.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:24

    Anpanman calls this a "poison pill": anyone wanting to work with Viasat internationally would have to do so without the US market, which he describes as the most profitable market for mobile broadband, giving AST leverage over how that global spectrum gets used.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:24

    He separately notes AST also acquired a small company with global spectrum priority rights, putting AST at roughly number 3 or 4 in the international regulatory priority queue, which he says already produced results such as AST's 10x10 MHz S-band allocation in Brazil via Anatel.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:24

    Anpanman speculates AST could partner with or lease spectrum from Viasat for international deployment, or alternatively go country-by-country with regulators to secure allocations directly, since Viasat is not fully utilizing its L-band spectrum globally; he frames this as a longer but more economically attractive path.

Mid-Band and C-Band Spectrum Economics

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:10:41

    Citing an article shared by another community member ('Smith') that he believes dates to around 2007, Anpanman discusses the relative cost of deploying different spectrum bands: C-band (roughly 3.5 to 4.1 GHz) carries much more data than low-band but has poor propagation, requiring roughly 7 cell towers versus 1 for 700 MHz to cover an equivalent area, with 1900 MHz needing about 3 towers.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:10:41

    AT&T owns a large chunk of the 3.5 GHz C-band range and Verizon owns a large chunk around 3.9 GHz, while T-Mobile does not own C-band spectrum but holds a large amount of 2.5-2.6 GHz spectrum from its Sprint/Clearwire acquisition.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:10:41

    The FCC is auctioning another 160 MHz of C-band spectrum (3.98-4.14 GHz), expected to conclude around July 2027; a prior 280 MHz lower C-band auction completed in early 2021 raised $81 billion in gross proceeds.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:10:41

    Anpanman recalls that when he first met Abel Avellan in early 2021, Avellan described AST's low-band constellation as capable of creating 2,800 spot beams/cells per satellite, mid-band capable of 10,000 cells per satellite, and C-band capable of well north of 10,000 cells per satellite.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:41

    He estimates nationwide deployment costs of $12-20 billion for low-band spectrum, $20-35 billion for mid-band, and $35-60 billion for C-band, with the step-up driven mainly by needing more towers; he expects the vast majority of mid-band and C-band deployment outside dense urban areas to happen via satellite instead of new towers.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:41

    He projects that layering AST's Block 3 (mid-band) and Block 4 (C-band) satellites as an overlay on top of low-band coverage could push per-cell throughput from roughly 200 megabits to well north of a gigabit, enabling genuine terrestrial network performance rather than just a coverage layer.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:10:41

    He cites AT&T CEO John Stankey's comments from the prior week as the first time a major carrier executive publicly floated satellite-driven CapEx savings — decommissioning uneconomic towers and relying on satellite coverage instead — in addition to satellite's revenue upside.

The One-Bar Coverage Opportunity

5
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:49

    AST's Jared Wilson, a long-tenured AT&T executive who left AT&T about a year ago to join AST SpaceMobile, has discussed the opportunity of addressing terrestrial dead spots where local towers deliver only one bar of signal.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:49

    Based on an AI-assisted research estimate he cites as uncertain, approximately 25-35% of terrestrial coverage in the US is serviced by only one bar of signal, which he describes as effectively non-functional service beyond emergency voice calls.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:49

    He argues MNOs are not incentivized to admit coverage gaps, quoting the commonly cited 97-99% coverage figure but noting this reflects population/expected-location coverage rather than geography; he estimates true geographic land coverage is only around 75-80%.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:49

    Combining these figures (subtracting an estimated 25% one-bar-coverage share from a roughly 75% geographic coverage base), he arrives at a rough estimate that only about half of US land area gets genuinely strong terrestrial coverage, framing this as a large addressable opportunity for direct-to-device satellite service.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:49

    He adds that MNOs may also choose to shut down underutilized towers and switch to satellite coverage, and expects satellite to increasingly serve as an augmentation, bolstering layer, or outright replacement for terrestrial coverage outside dense urban/suburban areas.

Short Sellers and AST's Government Business

4
  • Anpanman Rumor 00:22:19

    A contact at a hedge fund told Anpanman about an ongoing conversation with a portfolio manager at a well-known fund who is short AST SpaceMobile as a hedge against a long SpaceX position; the hedge has worked because both stocks have fallen.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:22:19

    That portfolio manager reportedly had no idea AST SpaceMobile has a government business making progress on awards tied to Golden Dome, the Space Development Agency, and the proliferated warfighter program.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:19

    Anpanman argues many institutional short sellers who hedge with a basket of space names don't need to know each name well since they're diversified, but warns this is dangerous since short losses are theoretically unlimited, unlike long positions.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:19

    He believes the broader market is similarly not pricing in AST's government business given the stock's recent performance, but doesn't expect the stock to stay depressed for long as long as the company keeps executing, caveated by macro factors like interest rates and the Iran conflict.

Earnings Date and Launch Timing

5
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:39

    Last year's Q2 earnings were reported on August 11 (a Monday), and the company posted its earnings date on July 28 that year; Anpanman expects a similar pattern this year, guessing earnings will land around August 10 or 11, 2026, since the company prefers Monday reporting and August 10, 2026 falls on a Monday.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:39

    He expects a press release announcing the earnings date either the next day, the following Tuesday, or at the latest by the end of that week.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:39

    Based on shipment timelines and analysis with help from community member Tanner, he estimates the next BlueBird launch (carrying BlueBirds 11, 12, and 13) will most likely occur around August 6-8, 2026, at the latest around August 8, with a small chance of slipping to August 10 — potentially coinciding with earnings, which he calls unlikely but possible.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:25:39

    He expects the company to host investors for this launch, since AST previously told him it planned to alternate investor-hosted events every other launch; investors were not hosted for the prior BlueBird 8/9/10 launch, so 11/12/13 should get one.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:25:39

    He plans to personally attend the launch in person, noting his children are away at sleepaway camp for two weeks, removing his usual excuse not to travel.

Investor Q&A: Amazon vs. Starlink Patents

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:44

    Responding to a listener question (Scott Powell) about how Amazon's and Starlink's D2D technology might avoid AST's patent portfolio, Anpanman said he doesn't know, noting Amazon appears to be following an architecture similar to Starlink's and would have to navigate both Starlink's and AST's patents.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:44

    He noted AST has not yet enforced any of its patents, speculating the company may be waiting for competitors to further develop their technology before pursuing licensing royalties or forcing a change in approach, but expects enforcement at some unspecified point in the future.

Market Volatility, Rates, and the Iran Conflict

4
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:36

    Anpanman describes the broader high-growth and space sector as correlated and down significantly, driven by uncertainty over the Iran conflict (with a possible pause for peace talks) and a July Fed meeting where the market-implied odds of a rate hike have risen from about 20% to about 40%.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:36

    He contrasts the current environment with the 2022 rate-hike cycle, when the Fed moved from roughly 0% to 5.25-5.5%, calling that an enormous move, and argues any near-term hikes now would be far smaller in magnitude.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:30:36

    He argues AST is fundamentally in a much stronger position than in 2022-2023, citing roughly $3.7 billion of cash, growing defense-related work, and sovereign constellation wins including Japan's JLEO program, Brazil's Anatel 10x10 MHz S-band allocation, and an anticipated EU spectrum allocation in the 2 GHz reallocation expected in early 2027 per a Bloomberg article.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:36

    He notes high-beta growth and space stocks broadly repriced downward regardless of company-specific news or catalysts due to the combined war and rate-related risk repricing.

Margin, Options, and Risk Management Lessons

9
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    Anpanman opens by discussing a community member, Jacob, who suffered a catastrophic account loss from what Anpanman characterizes as gambling on options rather than investing, quoting his own former hedge fund boss: "until you've lost a painful amount of money, you can never be a good investor."

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:35:33

    He advises that margin should only be used tactically and short-term, with strict, pre-set risk limits (e.g., cutting a 5-10% margin position after roughly a week if it loses 10%, or trimming to cover margin if a position rallies 20-30%), not as a long-term investing strategy.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:35:33

    For options, he limits his own long-options exposure to roughly 5% of capital or less, arguing being long options is a losing game unless you can correctly predict both the timing of a catalyst and the resulting stock price.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:35:33

    He warns that shorting covered calls or cash-secured puts effectively creates synthetic short-put exposure with capped upside and full downside, and that volatility expansion (not just adverse stock moves) can sharply increase losses on short options positions, requiring more maintenance margin.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:35:33

    He recommends that after a large portfolio gain (e.g., 10x an investor's prior net worth), investors set aside a multiple of their original net worth (e.g., 3x) after taxes, so they can psychologically tolerate future drawdowns on the remaining "house money" position.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:35:33

    He recounts personally taking profits and paying taxes during AST's warrant exercise (when the stock was in the high $20s to low $30s) and again in the $90s via a donor-advised fund donation of appreciated stock, which lets him tolerate the stock's decline to $56 today.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:35:33

    He describes selling some speculative calls and a small position of levered ASTX around $130-133 in May ahead of an expected Blue Origin launch, only for a static-fire mishap to destroy the launchpad and trigger a broad, ongoing derating of the space sector from late May onward.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:35:33

    He cautions that leveraged/inverse products like ASTX decay toward zero over time due to volatility drag and derivative costs, especially during choppy (non-unidirectional) price action, and should only be used briefly and never on margin.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:52:10

    He closes by urging listeners not to fixate on AST's prior highs (e.g., $100-130) as a target to "make back," calling those unrealized gains "funny money," and to instead stay patient, know what they own, and wait for clearer high-conviction entry points ("fat pitches") rather than using leverage to recover losses.

Watch Items5

  • BlueBird 11, 12, and 13 launch

    Week of August 3, 2026; Anpanman estimates most likely August 6-8, at latest August 8, with a small chance of slipping to August 10 Anpanman 00:25:39
  • AST SpaceMobile Q2 2026 earnings call

    Expected around August 10 or 11, 2026, based on last year's August 11 date and the company's preference for Monday reporting; earnings-date press release expected within days Anpanman 00:25:39
  • Investor-hosted event tied to the BlueBird 11/12/13 launch

    Expected to accompany the upcoming launch, per the company's stated every-other-launch investor-hosting cadence Anpanman 00:25:39
  • FCC C-band spectrum auction (160 MHz, 3.98-4.14 GHz)

    Auction process expected to conclude around July 2027 Anpanman 00:10:41
  • EU 2 GHz MSS spectrum reallocation decision

    Expected early 2027 Anpanman 00:30:36

Open Questions5

  • What underlying satellite architecture and technology will Amazon actually use for its 5,000+ satellite constellation, and how will it navigate AST SpaceMobile's and Starlink's existing patent portfolios?

    Anpanman 00:28:44
  • Will AST SpaceMobile eventually strike a partnership or lease arrangement with Viasat for its international L-band spectrum given the US 'poison pill' dynamic, or will AST instead pursue country-by-country regulatory allocations on its own?

    Anpanman 00:07:24
  • Will the Federal Reserve raise interest rates at its upcoming July meeting, and if so, how much would that further pressure high-beta growth stocks like ASTS?

    Anpanman 00:30:36
  • Will the Iran conflict escalate again or hold to a ceasefire/peace talks, and how would that affect broader market risk appetite for space and growth stocks?

    Anpanman 00:30:36
  • When will AST SpaceMobile begin enforcing its patent portfolio against competitors developing similar direct-to-device technology?

    Anpanman 00:28:44
2026-07-27 57:29

AST SpaceMobile: Production Hell Is Over, Here's Proof

Kook · Redrum

This is a solo recap episode of the AST SpaceMobile podcast hosted by Kook, with brief appearances from Redrum at the open and close. Kook processes a brutal week for ASTS stock, driven by investor Jacob Keaton's public account blowup and broader forced selling from overleveraged traders.

Kook argues the sell-off reflects leverage and margin calls rather than any change in AST SpaceMobile's fundamentals. He highlights satellites in production rising from 38 to 42, Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10 now fully deployed as the largest phased arrays in LEO, and a CEO tweet disclosing radar capability, 200 Mbps peak speeds, and space AI edge computing.

He also covers T-Mobile JV dynamics and an FCC test on T-Mobile spectrum, Verizon blocking a Starlink MVNO backdoor, a new Nokia hire, the Midland facility expansion, the closed $1 billion convertible bond, a government GPS-backup use case, and a point-by-point takedown of a widely shared short thesis.

Kook's headline conclusion is that AST SpaceMobile has moved past "production hell" into steady manufacturing cadence, and that last week's crash was a leverage-driven correction rather than a fundamentals problem, with launch, JLEO, and T-Mobile catalysts still ahead.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook attributes AST SpaceMobile's brutal stock decline over the past week to broad market deleveraging and forced margin-call selling among overleveraged retail investors, not to any change in company fundamentals.
  • Kook cites investor Jacob Keaton's public account blowup as a cautionary tale, warning that short-term options and other leveraged, time-decaying instruments can wipe out capital in a volatile stock like ASTS even if the underlying stock ends up flat.
  • Kook denies being a 'paid pumper,' noting ASTS traded $630 million in volume on the down Friday, which he argues makes it implausible that his or Anpanman's tweets are moving the stock for personal gain.
  • AST SpaceMobile's satellites in production rose from 38 to 42 in about two weeks, which Kook says shows the company has moved past 'production hell' into a steady manufacturing cadence.
  • Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10 are now fully deployed (not just partially unfolded), described by CEO Abel Avellan as the world's largest communications arrays operating in low Earth orbit, built with a newly invented lightweight composite, stackable architecture.
  • In the same tweet, Abel Avellan for the first time explicitly described the Bluebird satellites as a 'radar phased array,' disclosed a 200 Mbps peak data rate goal, and referenced 'space AI edge computing' as a mission-critical government application.
  • Abel Avellan's tweet indicated satellites can launch in groups of 3, 5, 6, or 8 depending on the rocket, which Kook reads as confirmation of AST's diverse launch-vehicle lineup including Falcon 9, New Glenn, ULA, MHI, Vulcan, Ariane 6, and ISRO.
  • Kook highlights a comparison claiming a single ASTS launch of 3 satellites puts up roughly double the total array square footage of Iridium's entire constellation, which cost Iridium $3 billion to build.
  • Kook states his own personal, non-recommendation estimate that AST SpaceMobile could eventually be worth 'half a trillion dollars' on tens of billions of dollars of potential revenue, explicitly framing it as his own speculative guess, not a price target.
  • Ankush Bansal, a 21-year veteran of Nokia, joined AST SpaceMobile this week as presales lead for Asia-Pacific, based in Sydney, which Kook cites as evidence of the company's growing global talent pipeline.
  • Kook reports a 30-day FCC authorization was granted this past week for AST SpaceMobile to test direct-to-device broadband service on T-Mobile's spectrum, which he views as a signal that a T-Mobile commercial relationship is coming.
  • Kook cites analyst Walter Piechek's view that the T-Mobile/SpaceX Starlink joint venture arrangement is effectively dead, with future satellite partnerships expected to run primarily through the new AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture.
  • Verizon has ruled out giving Starlink any 'backdoor' MVNO access to its wireless network, which Kook interprets as the major US carriers deliberately using their new joint venture to block SpaceX/Starlink competition.
  • Kook explains T-Mobile's Starlink-based satellite service has seen low usage because it only activates as a separate roaming network in complete dead zones, whereas AST SpaceMobile's service is designed to natively boost weak signal without requiring the phone to roam.
  • Kook argues AST SpaceMobile's addressable market is expanding beyond dead-zone coverage to weak-signal areas (an estimated ~25% of the market versus ~1% with zero coverage) and to carriers' desire to decommission costly terrestrial towers.
  • AST SpaceMobile confirmed on July 1, 2026 that its satellites are being used by the US Space Development Agency and Missile Defense Agency to test an alternative, secure positioning-navigation-and-timing source as a GPS backup when GPS is jammed or spoofed.
  • AST SpaceMobile's previously priced $1 billion convertible note offering has now closed, raised with relatively low dilution and a low interest rate despite broader stock-market weakness during the raise.
  • Kook systematically rebuts a widely shared short thesis claiming ASTS has zero subscribers, will do under $200 million of 2026 revenue versus a prior $500 million Street estimate, will burn $1.7 billion this year, and lags SpaceX/Starlink in commercial uptake.
  • Redrum asks listeners in a pinned comment whether they agree with Kook's view that a $50 billion-plus valuation for ASTS is 'not that crazy' at a $130 share price.

Detailed Discussion14 topics

Market Volatility, Leverage, and Risk Management

4
  • Kook Untagged 00:00:31

    Kook recaps a rough past week for the stock, noting people DMed him asking if it was 'the kook bottom,' which he says can't be declared in advance — it's only an observed state after the fact. He describes himself as pretty despondent last week.

  • Kook Speculation 00:01:15

    Kook discusses Jacob Keaton's public account blowup, noting the post about it got more impressions than his own DD document over almost a year; he believes Keaton made a lot of money via heavy leverage on near-perfect timing, then got wiped out when the market reversed violently.

  • Kook Speculation 00:03:06

    Kook warns that if you don't understand derivatives or time-decay products, you shouldn't use them; he calls short-dated options products like 'ASTX' (leveraged ASTS instruments) 'total pieces of shit' that can lose 80-90% of capital from time decay even if the underlying stock ends up flat, and stresses fully-paid common stock can't 'kill you' the way leverage can.

  • Kook Speculation 00:06:00

    Kook describes a cascading margin-call and forced-selling dynamic among overleveraged investors as the mechanical driver of last week's decline, drawing a parallel to South Korea's market deleveraging, and says he was surprised how many people in the ASTS ownership circle turned out to be highly leveraged.

Stock Price History and Investor Psychology

2
  • Kook Confirmed 00:07:45

    Kook recalls the stock hitting roughly $60 in July 2025 and then getting 'obliterated' below $40, and hitting $100 intraday in October 2025 before correcting back to about $50; each time he felt he had 'missed' the top, only for the stock to later exceed it, and he sees the current pullback from a recent $130 high as following the same pattern.

  • Kook Speculation 00:11:28

    Kook argues the fundamentals — TAM, business model, and proof points from SpaceX's own commercial traction — still support the roughly $50 billion valuation the stock had shown at $130, framing the crash as a leverage-driven 'blow-off' that culls weak-handed investors rather than a re-rating of the underlying business.

Paid Pumper Accusations

1
  • Kook Speculation 00:12:43

    Kook states he has never been paid by AST SpaceMobile and says the same is true of Anpanman, Tut, and other named community researchers (Connor, Tanner, Kevin, Katzy); he notes ASTS traded $630 million in volume on the down Friday, arguing it's implausible that tweets from him or others are 'pumping' a stock that size.

Production Ramp and Manufacturing Cadence

2
  • Kook Confirmed 00:19:51

    Kook reports satellites in production/assembly rose from 38 to 42 in about two weeks, citing a tweet from an account called 'the tech investor'; the cumulative number of shipped satellites is also trending up, and the in-assembly count keeps growing rather than staying fixed, meaning the company hasn't yet hit a capacity ceiling.

  • Kook Speculation 00:19:51

    Kook expects the in-assembly satellite count to eventually plateau while cumulative shipped satellites accelerate as the company reaches a cadence of between 6 and 12 satellites per month.

Bluebird 8/9/10 Deployment and Abel Avellan's Tweet

5
  • Kook Company Guidance 00:21:54

    CEO Abel Avellan tweeted that Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10 are now fully deployed (not in partial 'bar configuration'), calling them the world's largest communications arrays operating in LEO, built via a newly invented lightweight composite, stackable satellite design and manufacturing process.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:23:47

    The same tweet described the satellites as 'the largest and most advanced direct-to-device and radar phased array' — the first time this radar framing has been used — and disclosed satellites can be launched in groups of 3, 5, 6, or 8 depending on the rocket, with 8 tied to Blue Origin's New Glenn.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:26:07

    Abel Avellan's tweet cited a peak data rate of 200 megabits per second and referenced 'space AI edge computing' among 'many mission-critical government applications.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:07

    Kook speculates the mention of space AI edge computing points toward the US military as a likely first, high-paying customer for expensive AI compute in orbit, paving the way for later commercial applications.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:54

    Kook says the jump from 38 to 42 satellites in production within two weeks shows AST is 'well past production hell,' and reads Abel's comment that Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 are 'right behind' as meaning additional launch vehicles are ready, not that satellites will sit idle for years awaiting a launcher.

Kevin Chen's "Ripdown" Analysis

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:29:42

    Kook summarizes analyst Kevin Chen's thread arguing that Abel's comment about 'inventing a new way to design and manufacture at scale' reflects that AST had to invent its own assembly, integration, and testing procedure from scratch — explaining the long ramp delay — and that the process is now ready for mass scale, which Kook calls a hard-to-replicate competitive moat, achievable by maybe only two other companies.

  • Kook Speculation 00:29:42

    Kevin Chen's own math maps launch groupings to specific vehicles: Blue Origin New Glenn's '7x2' fits 6-8 Bluebirds and a '9x4' configuration (not confirmed by Abel) could fit 12-14; MHI and Falcon 9 carry 3, Vulcan and Ariane 6 carry 5, and ISRO carries 2.

ASTS vs. Iridium Comparison and Long-Term Valuation

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:27:47

    Kook cites a comparison from 'the tech investor' that a single ASTS launch of 3 satellites puts up roughly double the total array square footage of Iridium's entire constellation, which cost Iridium $3 billion to build; he contrasts Iridium's billions of dollars of revenue and government business against ASTS's much larger array capability.

  • Kook Speculation 00:27:47

    Kook states his own personal estimate — explicitly not a buy recommendation or price target — that AST SpaceMobile could generate tens of billions of dollars of revenue and eventually be worth half a trillion dollars, describing it as his own probability-weighted directional bet given the size of his position.

Starlink-Tesla Mesh Network Threat

1
  • Kook Speculation 00:33:05

    Kook relays a theory highlighted by 'Tanner' that Starlink and Tesla could team up so every Tesla becomes a Starlink hub, creating a mesh network that, combined with Starlink satellite service, Wi-Fi in cities, and EchoStar's direct-to-consumer spectrum, could position SpaceX as a '4th MNO' in the US; he says Elon Musk appears to be confirming the plan, but such service would only work on newer phones with different chips and reliability is uncertain.

Talent Acquisition

1
  • Kook Confirmed 00:34:57

    Ankush Bansal, a 21-year veteran of Nokia, joined AST SpaceMobile this week as presales lead for Asia-Pacific, based in Sydney; Kook cites this alongside a prior APAC hire based in Tokyo as evidence of a broader global opportunity beyond the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile focus, possibly tied to the JLEO opportunity.

T-Mobile JV Status and Regulatory Signals

4
  • Kook Confirmed 00:35:52

    Kook reports a 30-day FCC authorization was granted this past week for AST SpaceMobile to test direct-to-device broadband on T-Mobile's spectrum, which he says 'doesn't seem random' alongside other recent spectrum testing, including on Grain Management's 800 MHz band.

  • Kook Speculation 00:35:52

    Kook cites industry consultant Walter Piechek's view that the T-Mobile/SpaceX Starlink JV relationship is 'just about dead,' based on T-Mobile's CEO stating the new AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile telco JV will source 'the vast majority' of future satellite partnerships.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:35:52

    Verizon has publicly ruled out giving Starlink 'backdoor' MVNO access to its wireless network, stating there is no such path; Kook reads this as confirmation that the major US carriers are deliberately using their new joint venture to block SpaceX/Starlink competitive access.

  • Kook Speculation 00:35:52

    Kook cites an unnamed AST SpaceMobile executive's Portuguese-language interview in which the executive referred to AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile together as the mobile operator partners AST will provide US coverage through, which Kook reads as an inadvertent confirmation that T-Mobile will also become an ASTS customer.

Why T-Mobile's Starlink Service Sees Low Usage, and TAM Expansion

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:39:42

    Kook explains T-Mobile's Starlink-based satellite service has seen low usage because it functions as a separate roaming network that activates only in complete dead zones, unlike AST SpaceMobile's design, which integrates natively with the carrier's core network to boost weak signal (roughly 1 bar) up to 3-5 bars without the phone needing to roam.

  • Kook Speculation 00:41:18

    Kook estimates — recalling a conversation with Anpanman and admitting he 'forgets the exact number' — that roughly 25% of the market experiences the weak-signal (1-bar) problem versus only about 1% with zero coverage, arguing the weak-signal TAM is exponentially larger than the pure dead-zone TAM.

  • Kook Speculation 00:41:18

    Kook argues that as AST SpaceMobile's network improves, mobile carriers will increasingly decommission 'uneconomic' terrestrial towers (citing base station power, fiber, and maintenance costs), continually shrinking their terrestrial footprint and expanding AST's addressable market at the expense of tower companies like American Tower.

Government/Defense: PNT, GPS Backup, and Golden Dome Capacity

3
  • Kook Confirmed 00:44:45

    Kook cites an article reporting that the US Space Development Agency and Missile Defense Agency are using dedicated, secure frequency partitions on AST SpaceMobile satellites to test an alternative positioning-navigation-and-timing (PNT) source as a GPS backup for military equipment operating where GPS is jammed or spoofed; AST SpaceMobile confirmed the arrangement on July 1, 2026.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:44:45

    Kook notes US Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth requested additional Pentagon funding at a July 21, 2026 hearing, with a relevant funding bill potentially passing in August 2026, which he links to more government money flowing toward AST SpaceMobile-relevant capabilities.

  • Kook Speculation 00:46:24

    Kook speculates the large Midland manufacturing expansion is partly aimed at dedicated capacity for undisclosed programs, naming Golden Dome and the JLEO sovereign Japanese constellation as known drivers and wondering whether Satellite Connect Europe might ultimately require its own separate constellation.

Midland Facility Expansion and Convertible Bond

2
  • Kook Confirmed 00:46:24

    Kook reiterates AST SpaceMobile's approved Midland, Texas facility expansion, including a 23-acre lease with tax incentives and over 1,000 new jobs, arguing this represents entirely new production capacity — since the new facility hasn't broken ground — rather than evidence of problems with the company's current capacity.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:46:24

    Kook confirms AST SpaceMobile's previously announced $1 billion convertible bond offering has now closed, raised with relatively low dilution and a low interest rate despite the broader stock market's weakness during the raise.

Debunking the ASTS Short Thesis

2
  • Kook Disagreement 00:51:23

    Kook rebuts a widely shared short thesis (attributed to an account called 'Evan Tyndall') grouping ASTS with Walmart, Intel, and Tesla as shorts, which claims ASTS has zero subscribers yet will do under $200 million of 2026 revenue (versus a $500 million Street estimate from a year ago), will burn $1.7 billion this year, and lags SpaceX/Starlink badly in commercial uptake.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:51:23

    Kook counters that a company can't have 'zero subscribers' while generating $200 million of revenue since someone must be paying for it; he argues the $1.7 billion is being invested in team, facilities, satellites in production, and launch contracts rather than 'burned,' and that a downward Street-estimate revision for a pre-revenue growth company reflects normal uncertainty during a production ramp, not a red flag — resolving the disagreement in favor of his own rebuttal.

Watch Items4

  • Possible encapsulation update/announcement tied to the next satellite launch

    expected within about a week of the July 27, 2026 episode Kook 00:57:46
  • Firm date for the next AST SpaceMobile satellite launch

    potentially next week or the week after the July 27, 2026 episode Kook 00:57:46
  • JLEO (Japan sovereign satellite JV) and a potential T-Mobile commercial deal announcement

    near-term, unspecified ('tick-tock') Kook 00:57:46
  • Pentagon funding bill tied to Hegseth's July 21, 2026 funding request

    potentially passing in August 2026 Kook 00:44:45

Open Questions4

  • What near-term 'bridge' of launch vehicles will AST rely on before diversifying beyond Falcon 9, and did the recent convertible raise help lock in additional Falcon 9 launches?

    Kook 00:29:42
  • What exactly is driving the need for AST's large new Midland manufacturing capacity beyond the known 6-satellites-per-month target — Golden Dome, JLEO, a separate Satellite Connect Europe constellation, or something not yet disclosed?

    Kook 00:46:24
  • How will the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture actually operate in practice, and does it create a single collective 'buyer cartel' risk for AST SpaceMobile?

    Kook 00:35:52
  • Do listeners agree with Kook's view that a $50 billion-plus valuation for ASTS was 'not that crazy' at a $130 share price?

    Redrum 00:57:46
2026-07-24 42:26

AST SpaceMobile - All 3 US Carriers Now On Board

Anpanman · Redrum

This is a solo AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode from Anpanman, who returns from vacation to recap a heavy news week. All three major US carriers, AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile, reported earnings, and Anpanman breaks down what their commentary means for ASTS.

AT&T CEO John Stankey explicitly described a CapEx savings story where satellite coverage lets AT&T decommission uneconomic terrestrial towers, something Anpanman says analysts have largely missed. AT&T and Verizon both said they will not allow Starlink an MVNO backdoor into their networks, and Verizon's Dan Schulman shut down speculation that SpaceX could buy an MVNO like Charter or Boost Mobile to gain indirect carrier access.

T-Mobile's CEO called satellite coverage table stakes rather than a niche add-on, a notable shift from prior bear-case framing, though he confusingly said Starlink exclusivity would continue past its one-year anniversary. Separately, Abel Avellan posted an unusually promotional tweet disclosing Bluebird's radar phased-array capability, space-edge AI computing potential, and a 200 Mbps peak-speed target, plus specific per-rocket satellite stacking counts.

Anpanman's headline takeaway is that AST has moved from serving one-third of the US market to effectively all of it, with AT&T, Verizon, and soon T-Mobile all engaged, even as macro weakness keeps pressuring the stock price short term.

Key Takeaways

  • AT&T CEO John Stankey explicitly stated that AST SpaceMobile satellite coverage will let AT&T decommission terrestrial cell towers in uneconomic areas, creating a CapEx savings story on top of the revenue opportunity, which Anpanman says the market and analysts have largely overlooked.
  • AT&T and Verizon both reiterated they will not allow any satellite provider, meaning Starlink, to gain an MVNO (virtual network operator) relationship with their networks; Verizon's Dan Schulman specifically shut down speculation that SpaceX could gain backdoor access by acquiring an MVNO like Charter or EchoStar's Boost Mobile.
  • T-Mobile's CEO said satellite coverage is now "table stakes" rather than optional, a major shift from the bear case that framed direct-to-device satellite as a niche service; Anpanman frames this as AST moving from serving roughly one-third of the US market (AT&T only) to effectively 100% once T-Mobile is fully onboarded.
  • AT&T is the lead/quarterbacking partner for AST SpaceMobile in the US and originally had exclusivity restricting AST from working with other carriers; Stankey removed that restriction, enabling Verizon's involvement and now T-Mobile's invitation into a joint venture among all three carriers.
  • T-Mobile's CEO said Starlink's exclusivity with T-Mobile would continue beyond its one-year anniversary (July 23), which surprised Anpanman; he believes this likely pertains to specific spectrum (the PCS G block Starlink uses) or service types rather than a blanket restriction, and that nothing today prevents T-Mobile from working directly with AST SpaceMobile.
  • Abel Avellan tweeted unusually promotional details after Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10 successfully deployed and Bluebirds 11, 12, and 13 were delivered for launch: the Bluebird satellites function as a radar phased array, can support space-edge AI computing and mission-critical government applications, and are targeting 200 Mbps peak data rates versus roughly 98 Mbps on Block 1 and about 140-160 Mbps recently achieved on Block 2 (Bluebird 6).
  • Abel's tweet also disclosed that Bluebird satellites can be stacked 3, 5, 6, or 8 per launch depending on the rocket: 3 for Falcon 9 and MHI, 5 for Ariane 6 and Vulcan, and 6 or 8 for Blue Origin's New Glenn (6 also possibly applying to Relativity once operational).
  • A Bloomberg article reported SpaceX may be winding down Falcon 9 rideshare and dedicated launch reservations heading into 2028 and beyond as it shifts focus to Starship; Anpanman views this as a natural, expected transition tied to Starship's future commercial cadence rather than a risk to AST's near-term launch plans, since AST already uses dedicated (not rideshare) Falcon 9 launches and is diversifying across Blue Origin, MHI, Ariane 6, Vulcan, and ISRO.
  • Anpanman expects the next AST Falcon 9 launch (Bluebirds 11, 12, 13) around August 5-7, 2026, based on roughly three weeks needed to integrate three Block 2 satellites into the Falcon 9 fairing after shipment.

Detailed Discussion6 topics

AT&T Q2 2026 earnings comments

7
  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:54

    All three US MNOs (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile) reported earnings this past week; John Stankey highlighted AST SpaceMobile's importance and how well-positioned the company is to help AT&T achieve 100% coverage.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:01:20

    Stankey explicitly described a CapEx savings story for the first time he's seen an MNO state so directly: satellite coverage lets AT&T potentially decommission terrestrial towers in areas where they aren't economic, adding a cost-savings angle on top of the revenue story; Anpanman says this is overlooked by research regardless of whether one is an ASTS bull or skeptic.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:01:20

    AT&T reiterated it will not enable a virtual network operator (MVNO) relationship with any satellite company, understood to be directed at Starlink.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:20

    MNOs describe satellite as addressing only the 2% coverage gap based on population coverage, but geographic coverage gaps are much larger; AST's JR Wilson (recently joined from AT&T) has discussed a "1-bar opportunity" where satellite could serve users even in areas with weak (1-bar) terrestrial signal, which Anpanman guesses could be roughly 10-15% of covered area, though he stresses he hasn't researched the exact number.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:20

    MNOs have a marketing incentive to frame their terrestrial coverage as already excellent (98-99% of population) rather than admit dead zones, so they'll pitch satellite as making a great network "exceptional" rather than fixing a bad one.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:05:48

    AT&T is the lead MNO partner for AST SpaceMobile in the US and historically had restrictions preventing AST from working with other carriers like Verizon or T-Mobile; Stankey removed that restriction, allowing AT&T to invite Verizon into the relationship (pairing both companies' 850 MHz spectrum) and now inviting T-Mobile into a joint venture, motivated by the competitive threat from Starlink.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:05:48

    Based on other comments, it sounds like the definitive long-form joint venture agreement among AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile will be announced soon.

Verizon Q2 2026 earnings comments

3
  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:06:09

    In Verizon's call this morning, CEO Dan Schulman said Starlink's direct-to-home service poses no big competitive impact and Verizon feels good about its fixed wireless and fiber products.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:06:09

    Schulman reiterated Verizon's commitment to the joint venture with AT&T and T-Mobile and stated Verizon will not enable an MVNO relationship, again understood to target Starlink.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:06:09

    Schulman proactively addressed speculation that SpaceX could gain a "backdoor" MVNO relationship by acquiring an existing MVNO such as Charter (which has an MVNO deal with Verizon) or EchoStar's Boost Mobile, and explicitly stated there is no backdoor path to an MVNO relationship.

T-Mobile Q2 2026 earnings comments and exclusivity confusion

7
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:53

    The AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture must clear regulatory review once announced, so CEOs must be careful about competitive-landscape comments; Anpanman expects T-Mobile to keep supporting T-Satellite (powered by Starlink) as an opt-in service even after the JV with AST begins, though not marketed heavily.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:53

    T-Mobile said satellite represents only a fraction of 1% of network traffic, but Anpanman attributes this to Starlink's narrowband, texting-only service being low quality and low bandwidth; he expects utilization to rise significantly once AST provides broadband service across all three carriers, though usage will remain a premium, intermittent, edge-case service rather than a home-broadband replacement.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:07:53

    T-Mobile's CEO stated satellite coverage is now "table stakes," not optional, a marked shift from the prior bear/skeptic narrative that framed it as a niche service; Anpanman says this shift is significant because AST is moving toward 100% US MNO market coverage (AT&T, Verizon, and soon T-Mobile).

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:07:53

    Elon Musk had described a 1-year exclusivity period for Starlink's T-Mobile deal, expiring July 23 (marking the one-year anniversary post-launch), after which Starlink could sell its service to AT&T and Verizon; T-Mobile's CEO surprised Anpanman by saying exclusivity would continue beyond this date.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:53

    Anpanman speculates the continued exclusivity likely pertains to specific elements of the Starlink/T-Mobile agreement, such as the 5x5 MHz slice of T-Mobile's 1900 MHz PCS G-block spectrum allocated exclusively to Starlink, rather than a blanket restriction; he says nothing today precludes T-Mobile from working directly with AST SpaceMobile.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:53

    The AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture is reportedly structured so T-Mobile would contribute cash, intellectual property, and certain spectrum bands, with AT&T quarterbacking; Anpanman says this could let T-Mobile work with AST via AT&T/Verizon even if a Starlink exclusivity restriction remains on certain spectrum.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:53

    A key tell for whether T-Mobile is truly working with AST will be if T-Mobile contributes low-band spectrum (600-900 MHz, beyond the PCS G block) to the joint venture, since no satellite provider other than AST can service that spectrum.

Abel Avellan's Bluebird tweet

6
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:13:56

    Abel Avellan tweeted an unusually promotional update after Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10 successfully deployed and Bluebirds 11, 12, and 13 were delivered; Anpanman notes the company and Abel are typically not big self-promoters, recalling a board member once telling him Abel is an engineer focused on execution rather than marketing.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:13:56

    Abel explicitly described the Bluebird satellites as a radar phased array in print for the first time (previously only discussed on earnings calls), which Anpanman interprets as a sign the company feels very good about its position on Golden Dome and other defense applications.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:13:56

    Abel described the satellite as a platform for multiple uses, including space-edge AI computing and mission-critical government applications; Anpanman says this is the first time Abel has explicitly referenced space-edge AI computing, though Scott Wisniewski had hinted at it once or twice at investor conferences before.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:13:56

    Abel disclosed that Bluebird satellites can be stacked 3, 5, 6, or 8 per launch depending on the vehicle: 3 for Falcon 9 and MHI, 5 for Ariane 6 and Vulcan, 6 for Ariane 6 or potentially Relativity, and 6 or 8 for Blue Origin's New Glenn.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:13:56

    Abel reiterated a 200 Mbps peak data rate target for Block 2; Anpanman's guess is the company is currently achieving roughly 140-160 Mbps on Bluebird 6, versus about 98 Mbps (98.3 Mbps) previously achieved on the Block 1 fleet.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:56

    Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 are reported ready to ship soon, and a community-maintained chart Anpanman and "Cassie" put together shows the count of ready satellites has risen to 42, up from 39 just a few days earlier.

Falcon 9 wind-down speculation and launch cadence

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:26:44

    AST SpaceMobile has bought additional Falcon 9 launches, though the company is restricted from disclosing exact launch counts due to communications restrictions in its multi-launch agreement with SpaceX; AST is also pursuing additional multi-launch agreements (MLAs) with other providers.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:44

    A Bloomberg article reported SpaceX is considering winding down Falcon 9 rideshare and dedicated launches heading into 2028 and beyond as it shifts focus to Starship; Anpanman views this as a natural transition, since most Falcon 9 launches support Starlink, which will eventually move to Starship, and because a wave of medium-lift competitors (Rocket Lab Neutron, Blue Origin 7x2/9x4, Relativity Vulcan, and Japan's Mitsubishi Heavy Industries targeting up to 30 launches/year) will crowd the market by 2028-2029.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:44

    Anpanman does not view this as a risk to AST because AST is a dedicated (not rideshare) Falcon 9 customer, has already bought down launches, and is diversifying across Blue Origin, ISRO, and other providers; if Starship doesn't reach commercial cadence, Falcon 9 will remain in service.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:56

    Based on roughly three weeks needed to integrate three Block 2 satellites into a Falcon 9 fairing after shipment, Anpanman expects the Bluebirds 11, 12, 13 launch around August 5-7, 2026, noting someone else had floated a "net August 1st" possibility.

Q&A: price action, Starship stacking, JV mechanics, and market volume

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:33:13

    Asked about short-term price expectations, Anpanman said he has none right now, citing a weak macro environment (sticky inflation, the Iran conflict) affecting all high-beta growth names, not just ASTS; he says near-term price moves are noise and he remains bullish based on the company's fundamentals.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:33:13

    Asked how many Bluebird satellites could stack on a Starship launch using composite stacking, Anpanman guessed 14-16 by weight, though he said he'd need to check Starship's fairing dimensions and it could be a long time before AST flies on Starship.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:33:13

    Asked how the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture would work and whether it obviates direct AST-carrier agreements, Anpanman said he believes the JV is a coordination layer (pooling spectrum and infrastructure, enabling joint satellite-access purchasing) while direct commercial agreements between AST and each MNO continue, though he's not certain of the exact mechanics.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:33:13

    Asked about low market volume, Anpanman expects it to persist due to macro uncertainty (Iran, rates, inflation) and summer vacations, but thinks it will be hard to ignore the number of upcoming AST catalysts as August approaches.

Watch Items4

  • Launch of Bluebirds 11, 12, and 13 on Falcon 9

    Anpanman's estimate: around August 5-7, 2026 (within the first week of August); one community member floated a net August 1st possibility Anpanman 00:13:56
  • Definitive long-form joint venture agreement announcement among AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile

    Expected soon, per other comments Anpanman references, no specific date given Anpanman 00:05:48
  • Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 readiness to ship

    Described as ready to ship soon, no specific date given Anpanman 00:13:56
  • Potential pickup in trading volume and investor attention

    Possibly starting in August 2026 Anpanman 00:33:13

Open Questions5

  • What exactly does T-Mobile's continued Starlink exclusivity beyond the one-year anniversary cover (specific spectrum, service types, or phone models), and does it meaningfully restrict T-Mobile from working with AST?

    Anpanman 00:07:53
  • How will the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture actually be structured mechanically, including how AST gets paid and whether it obviates direct MNO agreements with AST?

    Anpanman 00:33:13
  • Will T-Mobile contribute low-band spectrum (600-900 MHz, beyond the PCS G block) to the joint venture, which Anpanman says would be the key tell that AST is truly involved with T-Mobile?

    Anpanman 00:07:53
  • How many additional Falcon 9 launches has AST SpaceMobile purchased, and will the company disclose this in the upcoming quarter given SpaceX communications restrictions?

    Anpanman 00:26:44
  • Will SpaceX actually wind down Falcon 9 rideshare/dedicated launches heading into 2028, or will timelines slip if Starship doesn't reach commercial cadence?

    Anpanman 00:26:44
2026-07-20 37:06

Know What You Own: Surviving the Momentum Crash and What Comes Next for $ASTS

Kook

In this solo weekly recap, Kook processes AST SpaceMobile's brutal momentum-driven stock crash to $56 (a 58% drawdown), triggered by a surprise $1 billion convertible bond offering. He explains why he ultimately concluded the raise was the right move rather than a red flag.

He walks through fundamental progress: the first composite BlueBird (BlueBird 10) successfully unfurling, batch two satellites shipping on schedule, and spectral efficiency numbers coming in roughly 3x above his prior model.

The catalysts include the J-LEO project now referenced in an official Reg FD filing, mounting circumstantial evidence of an imminent T-Mobile deal, FCC TAM-expansion proposals, and a possible AST investment in a launch company.

He closes on investment psychology: why 'knowing what you own' is the only real defense against momentum-factor volatility, and why the underlying thesis hasn't changed despite the drawdown pain.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile stock dropped to as low as $56 last week (a 58% drawdown from highs) amid a broader momentum-factor crash across high-multiple 'go-go' stocks (a list shared by Shae Belor showed similar names down 40-75%), which Kook attributes to South Korean margin calls cascading into de-risking across the AI/momentum complex rather than anything company-specific.
  • The stock drop coincided with a surprise ~$1 billion convertible bond offering that Kook initially reacted to with anger (he describes himself as 'ripshit'), but after reflection he concluded raising the extra capital was the right decision because it funds satellites, launches, hiring, and product roadmap aggression (including J-LEO and Golden Dome ambitions) and avoids a 'capital markets death spiral.'
  • BlueBird 10 became the first composite-construction BlueBird satellite to successfully unfurl its phased-array antenna, closing out one of the last major technical open questions in Kook's view; batch two (BlueBirds 11-13) is officially in motion after the company hit a shipping deadline for the first time.
  • New spectral efficiency data showed satellites performing at roughly 3 times the data-per-hertz Kook had been modeling, which he says dramatically lowers the dollar-per-bit economics of the network, though he cautions this reflects peak rates and many pricing/oversell variables remain uncertain.
  • AST's Reg FD disclosure confirmed the company is in advanced discussions with Rakuten regarding preliminary selection of 'RAST' (Rakuten-AST) for the J-LEO project, expected to be roughly $1 billion — validating prior community speculation that some had dismissed as 'cult' theorizing.
  • The company's prior target of 45 satellites deployed by year-end 2026 has been pushed to early 2027, which Kook accepts as reasonable given how difficult satellite manufacturing ramps are, and which he expects to be blamed partly on launch-provider delays.
  • Kook and others (via 'mosaic investing' — piecing together public but non-obvious information, as distinct from insider trading) believe a T-Mobile partnership announcement is imminent, citing the expiring one-year Starlink exclusivity window, Chris Sambar's move to T-Mobile, AST testing on T-Mobile's spectrum, and a stated T-Mobile joint venture with AT&T and Verizon.
  • The FCC is proposing to expand the direct-to-device addressable market beyond smartphones to include Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, unlicensed devices, agricultural sensors, tractors, utility infrastructure, pipelines, rail networks, remote industrial equipment, and public safety devices — a potentially major TAM expansion Kook says is hard to quantify but favors low-cost, low-friction providers like AST.
  • Kook frames his core investment philosophy as 'know what you own' — deeply understanding a thesis so that short-term volatility (which he calls 'co-owner risk,' i.e. getting hurt by other investors' forced selling) doesn't knock you out of a position you'd otherwise be right about.
  • A UBS report doing a 47-page deep dive on satellites' impact on the European telecom sector reportedly did not mention AST SpaceMobile at all, which Kook cites as evidence the stock remains under-discovered despite the scale of the opportunity he believes it represents.

Detailed Discussion8 topics

Satellite Fundamentals: BlueBird Unfurling and Batch Two

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:01:57

    BlueBird 10 was successfully deployed/unfurled — described as one of the final major technical milestones being watched for, and notably the first composite-built BlueBird to successfully unfurl (FM1/BlueBird 6 unfurled earlier but was not made of composite material).

  • Kook Speculation 00:01:57

    Kook notes the company can be assumed to have brought FM1 into formal operation, though this isn't confirmed; he frames the recent milestones as knocking down the last of the open technical questions.

  • Kook Speculation 00:01:57

    Batch 2 is officially in motion, and notably the company hit a shipping/production deadline for the first time — which Kook takes as a sign the 'machine that makes the machine' (manufacturing ramp) is finally working, and that the 'production hell' phase (comparable to what Tesla went through) is essentially over.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:01:57

    Citing a timeline compiled by community member Kevin Chen: BlueWalker 3 to Block 1 (BlueBird 1-5) took 2 years; FM-1 (BlueBird 6) followed 14 months later; BlueBird 7 followed 3 months after that; the first batch of 3 composite satellites followed 5 months after FM2 (BlueBird 7); and batch 2 followed just 2 months after that — illustrating an accelerating satellite production cadence.

Spectral Efficiency Breakthrough

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:03:16

    Updated spectral efficiency numbers show the satellites performing at roughly 3 times the data-per-hertz (data transmitted per unit of spectrum) that Kook had been modeling — a peak-rate figure, but one he says dramatically lowers dollar-per-bit economics versus his prior model, all else equal.

  • Kook Speculation 00:03:16

    Kook cautions there remain many uncertain variables in his cost model — how much can be charged per unit of data, the ability to oversell capacity (since he doesn't believe service will actually be priced strictly per unit of data) — and that launch costs are the one variable not yet moving favorably, though he expects them to normalize over time to previously expected levels.

Convertible Bond Offering and Capital Strategy

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:05:21

    The company surprised the market with a $1 billion convertible bond offering last week, which Kook calls a 'drive-by convertible bond offering,' noting it came despite prior conference-call guidance suggesting no further converts were planned.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:21

    Kook's stock holdings dropped to $56 amid the announcement and broader market weakness; he describes his emotional reaction as anger, which he initially aimed outward before realizing it was directed at himself, ultimately concluding the raise makes his investment safer rather than riskier.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:21

    Kook argues the extra capital funds things he wants the company to pursue aggressively: satellites, capacity for J-LEO and Golden Dome-type programs, an aggressive product roadmap, spreading launch-industry risk across providers, and hiring top talent — and avoids a scenario of debating 'how many quarters of cash are left,' which he calls a bad position versus modest dilution.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:21

    Kook expects the company to put down roughly $500 million on Falcon 9 launches, which will deplete cash but represent real assets for the company.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:21

    Kook explains convertible bond pricing depends partly on volatility and credit spread; he notes SpaceX's high-yield credit spread (the reference credit used to price such deals) has been blowing out, and that convertible-bond new issuance is spiking broadly because 'Mag 7' companies are raising capital for AI buildout — creating a large supply of competing new issuance.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:21

    Kook argues the company likely timed the raise deliberately because capital markets access effectively shuts down in August, faces volatility in September, and remains uncertain in October — making it sensible to raise now rather than risk being unable to issue later while cash burn continues.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:21

    Kook credits CEO Abel Avellan and President Scott Wisniewski for making the capital-raise decision despite knowing it would draw criticism, and credits the company's founder-controlled share structure (supervoting shares) with allowing management to make long-horizon decisions for perpetual shareholders rather than being dictated to by shorter-horizon hedge fund holders.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:21

    The stock has now traded around $130/share on three separate occasions, which Kook cites as evidence that level isn't an anomaly and that 'everything now is better than what it had been before.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:21

    The broader momentum-factor sell-off (which Kook likens to a 'Lehman Brothers type crash' across similar high-beta names) was driven by South Korean margin calls cascading into de-risking of the AI complex — a form of 'co-owner risk' where other investors' forced liquidations hit unrelated holders' prices, rather than anything specific to AST's fundamentals.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:05:21

    A list shared by Shae Belor ('the future is on sale right now') showed high-growth momentum stocks (e.g., Oklo, Enovix) down between 40% and 75%, with ASTS down 58%, placing it within that broader momentum-stock correction rather than as an outlier.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:21

    Kook believes convertible-bond hedgers moved to put on hedges very quickly this time (versus getting 'nuked' on the prior convert when the stock traded up more than expected), which he thinks contributed to a sharp stock pop on Friday.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:21

    Community chart analyses from 'Tough for Us, Tough for R' and 'Reformed Trader' reportedly show that after previous AST convert issuances, once the stock had already been dragging, it tended to shoot up quickly afterward — cited by Kook as an encouraging historical pattern.

J-LEO / Rakuten Reg FD Disclosure and Launch Provider Speculation

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:08:26

    AST's Reg FD disclosure states (quoted): the company is 'currently in advanced discussions with Rakuten, a shareholder of the company... regarding the preliminary selection of RAST, Rakuten AST, [as] a recipient for the JALEO project expected to be roughly $1 billion' — which Kook says moves J-LEO speculation from unconfirmed community theorizing into an official company filing.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:08:26

    The company's guidance shifted the target for 45-satellite deployment to early 2027, which Kook takes in stride as a 'kitchen sink' adjustment.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:08:26

    The company plans to buy more launches, which Kook assumes are largely Falcon 9 slots, and there is a 'strong insinuation' the company will make an investment in a launch company.

  • Kook Speculation 00:08:26

    Kook initially speculated the launch-company investment could be participation in a Blue Origin fundraise, but talked himself out of that since AST is already heavily invested in Blue Origin as a launch partner; he now speculates it could instead involve Relativity Space, reasoning that Relativity's backer Eric Schmidt (also linked to Google, a major AST shareholder) could create an effective 'Google-owns-its-own-SpaceX' dynamic in combination with AST — explicitly flagged as speculation with many other possible outcomes.

Sovereignty Theme and Golden Dome

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  • Kook Speculation 00:08:26

    Kook frames a broader global 'sovereignty' theme (countries wanting to reduce reliance on SpaceX) as core to his AST thesis, citing Anpanman's note that AST/SatCo is seen as the frontrunner for European satellite spectrum, and noting similar dynamics playing out with the EU, Japan, and South Korea seeking their own constellation access.

  • Kook Speculation 00:08:26

    As a personal, unrelated small trade illustrating the same sovereignty theme, Kook disclosed buying a small position in IQMX, a recently SPAC'd quantum computing company he believes is a European leader, on the logic that Europe won't want to rely on the US (IBM) for quantum ambitions — explicitly described as a very small position and not a claim of quantum expertise.

  • Kook Speculation 00:08:26

    Kook argues constellations are fundamentally global economies-of-scale businesses better run as multi-client platforms than built independently by individual sovereign nations, positioning AST as structured to serve that role — and speculates the company's rapid capacity additions are partly being built for specific government programs (like Golden Dome) rather than purely commercial demand.

  • Kook Speculation 00:08:26

    Citing community analyst 'Another Smith' tracking FCC filings, Kook notes AST has responded to the FCC regarding 900 MHz matters with largely redacted content that appears related to radio-location capabilities for the Space Development Agency (SDA) and non-communication use cases — which he ties to the Golden Dome narrative.

T-Mobile Speculation and Mosaic Investing

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  • Kook Speculation 00:14:11

    Kook describes 'mosaic investing' as legally piecing together small, individually non-material but publicly available data points (as distinct from trading on insider information) to anticipate events before they're announced — citing past examples where the community correctly pieced together the Verizon deal and, in his view, now T-Mobile, ahead of official announcement.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:11

    Kook and Anpanman believe a T-Mobile partnership announcement is increasingly likely, citing: T-Mobile's one-year Starlink exclusivity deal expiring this week; signs the two companies are 'getting divorced'; Chris Sambar (AST's former champion at AT&T) joining T-Mobile; AST testing on T-Mobile's spectrum; and a stated T-Mobile joint venture with AT&T and Verizon — while acknowledging they could be wrong.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:11

    Citing an interview shared by 'Another Smith' titled 'Why MNOs Care So Much,' Kook explains carriers view the opportunity not just as fixing zero-bar dead zones but boosting one-bar coverage areas into usable data connectivity, which drives customer satisfaction and increased ARPU.

TAM Expansion: FCC IoT Proposal, Data Centers, and Landlines

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:21:05

    The FCC is proposing to expand direct-to-device satellite connectivity beyond smartphones to include Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, unlicensed devices, agricultural sensors, tractors, utility infrastructure, pipelines, rail networks, remote industrial equipment, and public safety devices — cataloged in a write-up by Jonathan Cooper — which Kook believes materially expands AST's addressable market, though he says he can't size how big it ultimately is.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:05

    Kook argues skeptics undercount the TAM by looking at static coverage maps rather than how often people move in and out of connectivity, and by not accounting for a shift toward ubiquitous connected devices needing backup links, plus resistance to building more physical towers.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:05

    Noting rising political pushback on data centers over power and water usage (citing AOC cheering data-center bans), Kook speculates that if the cost of terrestrial data centers rises due to such opposition, the relative competitiveness of space-based data centers could increase — floated as a distinct, speculative future TAM vector for AST, not a near-term plan.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:05

    Kook revisits the landline-removal theme: MNOs want to eliminate expensive copper landline networks but are required to maintain 911 service; he cites an AT&T document (posted on his pinned tweet) describing a solution pairing AST with cell-tower backup to guarantee 911 service even if a base station loses power, which he says could save carriers billions of dollars.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:05

    California gubernatorial candidate Steve Hilton has raised the forced removal of landlines from Californians as a political issue affecting seniors and rural residents, which Kook flags as a dynamic where AST's technology could be a proposed solution — worth monitoring.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:21:05

    Anpanman flagged a 47-page UBS report deep-diving on satellites' impact on the European telecom sector that reportedly does not mention AST SpaceMobile at all, which Kook cites as evidence the company/stock remains genuinely under-discovered.

Investment Psychology: Know What You Own and Surviving the Drawdown

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  • Kook Speculation 00:35:20

    Kook's core investment framework, developed over 20 years, is to understand a position at an extremely deep level ('know what you own') so as to inoculate himself against volatility; he notes this is easier managing his own capital (a family-office-style structure where he answers only to himself) than for a hedge fund analyst accountable to a portfolio manager.

  • Kook Speculation 00:35:20

    Kook describes the recent crash as driven by 'co-owner risk' — being hurt by other investors' forced deleveraging (South Korean margin calls cascading into AI-complex de-risking) rather than anything wrong with the underlying thesis — and stresses the importance of surviving such episodes without being liquidated or having options expire worthless.

  • Kook Speculation 00:35:20

    Kook says the market has now fully reset expectations for 45 satellites by year-end 2026 (that target having slipped to early 2027), and argues that while frustrating, AST's own ramp difficulties will be dwarfed by even greater ramp difficulties faced by later competitors trying to catch up.

  • Kook Speculation 00:35:20

    Drawing a historical analogy to early SaaS stocks (e.g., ServiceNow, Cadence, KLA) that repeatedly saw 30-40% drawdowns that knocked out most holders despite strong long-term compounding, Kook argues the same dynamic explains why holding AST through violent drawdowns is difficult but potentially very rewarding.

  • Kook Speculation 00:35:20

    Kook estimates (explicitly spitballing) that he has been about 5 years early on AST SpaceMobile, contrasting with past experiences of being merely a year or two early on other investments — acknowledging this is a much longer early period than typical and not necessarily ideal.

  • Kook Speculation 00:35:20

    Kook closes expressing excitement about the next three weeks, expecting a batch-two satellite launch and potential news catalysts around J-LEO, T-Mobile, or other developments, framing the recent capital raise as having reloaded the company's financial capacity right as multiple catalysts converge.

Watch Items5

  • Batch two (BlueBirds 11-13) launch

    Expected within 'the next 3 weeks' from the episode's recording Kook 00:35:20
  • T-Mobile Starlink exclusivity window expiring, potentially clearing the way for a T-Mobile/AST announcement

    One-year exclusivity described as expiring 'this week' Kook 00:14:11
  • 45-satellite constellation deployment milestone

    Target shifted from year-end 2026 to early 2027 Kook 00:08:26
  • Formalization of the Rakuten/AST J-LEO joint venture ('RAST')

    Advanced discussions per Reg FD filing, no firm close date given Kook 00:08:26
  • Possible AST investment in a launch company (speculated as Relativity Space or similar)

    No timing given; insinuated in recent company commentary Kook 00:08:26

Open Questions4

  • Which launch company (if any) AST is planning to invest in, given Blue Origin seems ruled out by Kook's own reasoning and Relativity Space is only a guess

    Kook 00:08:26
  • When (or whether) a T-Mobile partnership will be officially announced, versus remaining inferred from circumstantial 'mosaic' evidence

    Kook 00:14:11
  • How large the TAM expansion from the FCC's proposed IoT/agricultural/utility/unlicensed-device rules will actually be in practice

    Kook 00:21:05
  • Whether rising political opposition to terrestrial data centers (power/water concerns) will meaningfully translate into demand for space-based data centers as a real business vector for AST

    Kook 00:21:05
2026-07-17 40:42

Money Isn't Everything: Lessons on Life, Loss, and Investing

Anpanman

In a solo, personal episode recorded while attending a close friend's funeral, Anpanman steps away from AST SpaceMobile stock analysis to talk about keeping financial losses in perspective during the current sector drawdown.

He shares his father's story of over-leveraging into businesses during the easy-money era, losing nearly everything while hiding a late-stage cancer diagnosis. He uses it to warn against margin, 'chasing your peak,' and options without precise timing conviction.

The episode closes with practical guardrails: never use margin, size options small, plan taxes before year-end. Anpanman's view is that the market is probably closer to a bounce than it was a month ago, though he stresses no one can know the timing.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman recorded this episode solo from the West Coast while attending the funeral of a close friend who died of cancer, using the moment to remind listeners that financial losses are never worth more than health or relationships.
  • Anpanman's father, an immigrant entrepreneur who had built a successful life, over-leveraged into multiple businesses (including motels and a golf course) during an easy-money period and lost nearly everything around 2009-2011, requiring Anpanman to commit a significant portion of his own savings to plug the financial holes.
  • While Anpanman was helping his father financially, his father was neglecting his own health checkups and was ultimately diagnosed with late-stage colorectal cancer; he died with deep regret over the stress he had caused the family, and over having treated an unrealized paper-wealth peak as something real and 'his' that he had to get back.
  • Anpanman calls 'chasing your peak' -- the mindset of feeling entitled to recover a prior all-time-high in your portfolio and dipping into more risk to do so -- the single most dangerous investing mentality, comparing it to going on tilt in a casino.
  • Anpanman's personal rule is to never use margin at all; for investors who do use it, he suggests limiting it to roughly 5-10% of an account, only when there is high conviction, with predefined stop-loss and profit-taking rules set before entering the trade.
  • Anpanman uses options only sparingly (a few percent of his portfolio at most) and only when he has precise conviction on timing, price, and movement, citing a lesson from his first portfolio manager that options without that precision are a losing game because macro conditions can wipe out an otherwise-correct individual stock thesis.
  • Anpanman cites widely reported stories of hundreds of thousands to over a million Korean retail investors being wiped out in margin accounts as a stark, real-world illustration of the human toll of excessive leverage, noting the risk of real psychological harm behind the numbers that people online mock.
  • Anpanman advises anyone sitting on large unrealized trading gains (e.g., meme-stock traders up huge for the year and then down) to actively manage their tax situation before year-end -- either realizing some losses to offset recognized gains or setting aside cash to cover taxes on already-recognized gains -- to avoid ending up with a large tax bill and no capital to pay it.
  • Anpanman argues financial losses are always recoverable over time, unlike health, and closes the episode by inviting anyone in real distress over financial losses to reach out to him directly rather than do something drastic.
  • Anpanman says he believes the market is probably closer to a bounce and potential reversal than it was a month earlier, but explicitly states he cannot know the timing and is 'not a guru.'

Detailed Discussion8 topics

Why Anpanman is recording this episode

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:26

    Anpanman opens by explaining he is on the West Coast for the funeral of a close friend who recently passed away from cancer, a friend who leaves behind a spouse and three kids (two of them older); the friend had not gone back for checkups amid the busyness of life.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:42

    He says he chose to hold this space specifically because of the current market drawdown and stress he has seen among listeners over the last 24 hours, to remind the community that they are not alone and that money isn't everything.

Life perspective and managing paper wealth

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:42

    Anpanman advises anyone who has made life-changing or generational wealth to mentally set aside their prior net worth (or some multiple of it, after setting aside taxes) as untouchable, and treat anything above that as more disposable 'free money.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:42

    He pushes back on the idea that he and Kook (referred to in the transcript as 'Cook'/'Hook') are unique geniuses, saying they aren't that different from the rest of SpaceMob -- they found the AST SpaceMobile thesis through some mix of luck and serendipity, researched it, had conviction, and were 'delusional enough to hold,' but everyone, no matter how smart or experienced, eventually gets humbled by the market.

Hubris, going on tilt, and the AST convertible note decision

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:03:45

    Anpanman describes hubris -- feeling invincible after a run of success -- as the mechanism that causes people to press bets and take on outsized risk right before a pullback humbles them.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:03:45

    He notes the macro/space-sector environment has taken down AST SpaceMobile's stock even though company-specific news has been positive, and speculates that AST's management and board likely considered doing a convertible note raise a week or two before recording, reasoning that with a low coupon and high conversion strike, it makes sense to lock in financing rather than bet the company on a near-term stock rebound.

Lessons from Anpanman's father: over-leverage and loss

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:06:13

    Anpanman's father passed away from cancer just over a decade ago; he was a self-made immigrant entrepreneur who built multiple successful businesses and lived what Anpanman calls a true American-dream success story.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:06:13

    During the 2007-2008 financial crisis, Anpanman was working at a hedge fund, lost about 20 pounds from stress, and the fund finished the year down roughly 5% but positive relative to peers because they didn't gate redemptions -- which led to a large influx of new capital afterward. He recounts personally messaging his friend Neel Kashkari, who was running TARP at the time, expressing support amid Kashkari's public criticism.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:06:13

    Around 2009-2011, his father -- riding a long track record of success and cheap/easy money -- over-leveraged into businesses he had no real expertise in, including buying motels and a golf course, and eventually got into serious financial trouble, asking Anpanman for help.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:06:13

    Anpanman committed a significant portion of his own financial savings during that period to plug his parents' business debt holes while continuing to manage a book and analysts at his hedge fund, working remotely (before that was common) with an understanding boss.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:06:13

    During that same stretch his father neglected medical checkups and was ultimately diagnosed with late-stage colorectal cancer; Anpanman spent 2009-2011 helping him health-wise and then roughly two years after his death working through the estate, personally negotiating down and paying off much of the debt, including some personally-guaranteed obligations he later learned he was not actually required to pay (e.g., certain credit card debt).

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:06:13

    In his father's final weeks, he expressed deep regret for having put the family through the financial stress, and separately for having lost the huge (but only ever unrealized/paper) net worth he'd accumulated by 2007-2008; Anpanman told him that peak 'wasn't real' and wasn't his to mourn, a message he says applies broadly to anyone fixating on a portfolio's prior all-time high.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:06:13

    Anpanman notes this was the second time in his life he had to financially reset -- the first was blowing up a personal investment account as a young banker in the aftermath of an earlier market bubble.

Chasing your peak: the worst investing mindset

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:38

    Anpanman says his own brokerage account and net worth hit an all-time high at the end of May (just before the Blue Origin New Glenn incident), and he has since seen people online expressing that they were up a large amount and now feel they 'have to make it back' -- which he calls the absolute worst mentality an investor can have.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:38

    He explains that no one can know the timing of when market momentum will reverse -- conditions can change (he cites the Iran conflict potentially worsening as one example) -- so treating a past peak as an entitlement to be reclaimed is akin to a gambler on tilt in a casino chasing losses.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:13:38

    He relays advice from a former portfolio manager: you cannot truly manage money until you have personally lost a painful amount of it, since that experience creates the internal 'limiter' that keeps greed in check during future cycles.

Rules on margin and options

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:17:16

    Anpanman states plainly that he personally never uses margin, and that options -- when he uses them at all -- make up only a few percent of what he does, used around the edges rather than as a primary investing tool.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:16

    For investors who do want to use margin, he suggests using it only tactically -- around 5-10% of an account when conviction is high -- with predefined guardrails set before the trade (e.g., cut the position if it falls 10%, take profits if it rises 20%) so as not to keep adding to a losing margin position hoping it turns around.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:17:16

    He cites IBM's biggest-ever single-day drawdown of 24% as an example of how even a stock perceived as a 'safe, yield-paying' holding can wipe out an investor who was margined against it.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:16

    Anpanman argues margin deployed in size is guaranteed to eventually catch you, comparing it to motorcycle riding: every rider eventually falls, it's just a matter of how bad the fall is.

Korea margin accounts and the dark side of volatility

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  • Anpanman Rumor 00:23:04

    Anpanman references press coverage of Korean retail margin accounts being zeroed out -- citing figures of roughly 300,000 accounts initially, growing to around 1.3 million people -- as an example people mock online without acknowledging the real human toll, including the risk that some affected people, especially if middle-aged or older, could be pushed toward suicide.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:04

    He attributes the scale of risk-taking in Korea partly to social/economic dynamics there -- intense academic and business competition with fewer alternate paths to success than in the US -- which pushes some people toward gambling-like market speculation as a perceived faster way out.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:04

    He also criticizes incentives on X/FinTwit where influencers flex about winning picks to sell subscriptions or gain followers, and urges listeners to think independently rather than get swept into momentum or get-rich-quick narratives; he says he personally should have checked in on more people sooner and that this space is partly an overdue effort to do so.

Tax planning and closing market outlook

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:34:26

    Anpanman warns traders sitting on large recognized gains (e.g., someone up 400-500% on meme stocks who has since given back some of it) to plan taxes before year-end: either sell enough of a still-up position to realize offsetting losses, or set aside cash to cover taxes on gains already recognized, rather than holding a losing position into the next year hoping it recovers and ending up owing taxes with no capital to pay them.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:34:26

    He reiterates that financial mistakes are always recoverable -- even a full account wipeout -- unlike health mistakes, and explicitly invites any listener contemplating something drastic over financial losses to reach out to him personally.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:34:26

    Closing the episode, Anpanman says the recent drawdown represents an all-time-extreme move to the downside in terms of momentum, and that he believes the market is probably closer to a bounce and potential reversal than it was a month prior, while stressing he is 'not a guru' and cannot know the timing.

Watch Items

No watch items recorded.

Open Questions2

  • No one can know the timing of when the current market/momentum downturn will reverse, or what will trigger it (Anpanman cites the Iran conflict potentially worsening as one wildcard).

    Anpanman 00:13:38
  • Whether the broader market and AST SpaceMobile specifically are close to a bounce/reversal from the current drawdown remains unresolved; Anpanman offers only a personal belief that a bounce is 'probably' closer than it was a month ago, explicitly disclaiming certainty.

    Anpanman 00:34:26
2026-07-16 58:49

Anpanman & Kook: Why Did AST SpaceMobile Do a Convert at $58?

Anpanman · Kook

Anpanman and Kook recorded live right after AST SpaceMobile priced a $1.0 billion convertible note (announced July 15, 2026) with the stock down near $58.

They unpack why the company raised capital now rather than waiting: cheapening convert-market conditions, SpaceX's own credit spreads widening, and the Blue Origin New Glenn launchpad explosion forcing AST to plan on buying more SpaceX launch capacity.

They argue the timing reflects disciplined capital management rather than any change in AST's underlying trajectory. They point to the same-day unfurling of the first composite Block 2 BlueBird satellite, the newly disclosed advanced J-Leo talks with Rakuten, and a reframed MVNO 'prisoner's dilemma' thesis that they say removes competitive urgency versus Starlink.

The headline conclusion: despite a roughly 56%+ drawdown and real personal losses for both hosts, they remain highly bullish, expecting the stock's history of 70%-in-ten-days moves to reassert itself as launch, JV, and Golden Dome-related catalysts land in coming quarters.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile priced a $1.0 billion convertible senior note on July 15, 2026 (1.625% coupon, due 2034) while the stock traded near $58; Anpanman and Kook conclude the timing was forced by external credit-market conditions rather than planned weeks in advance.
  • Anpanman and Kook argue SpaceX's own credit spreads have been widening — due to concerns about xAI, Starship capital needs, and SpaceX's overall business mix — making SpaceX a shaky reference credit for ASTS bonds, compounded by a wave of new convertible issuance from 'Mag 7' companies that is cheapening the whole convert market.
  • They tie the decision partly to the Blue Origin New Glenn launchpad explosion, which suspended that launch program for months and is expected to force AST to buy additional SpaceX Falcon 9 launch capacity, adding urgency to raise cash even at a depressed share price.
  • Anpanman and Kook argue that because Starlink is increasingly viewed by mobile carriers as a competitive threat to their own fixed wireless and mobile businesses, no major MNO wants to actively work with Starlink now — which they say removes the prior competitive urgency for AST to hit near-term launch dates.
  • Anpanman frames AST's US carrier joint venture as functioning like a 'prisoner's dilemma' stopgap that discourages any single MNO from defecting to give Starlink MVNO access to their spectrum and subscriber base.
  • Anpanman and Kook highlight the same-day (per the episode) unfurling of the first composite-construction Block 2 BlueBird satellite as a major technical milestone, distinguishing it from earlier prototype/pathfinder satellites (BlueWalker 3, Block 1, FM1/FM2) as the first true proof point for AST's scalable manufacturing design.
  • Kook recalls Scott Wisniewski telling him around September 2025 that some government/defense use cases (implied to be Golden Dome-related) could require a dedicated satellite production line of roughly 240 additional satellites, which Anpanman and Kook connect to AST's current Midland, Texas manufacturing expansion and recent large hiring push.
  • Both hosts discuss AST's ongoing spectrum accumulation (Grain Management 800 MHz, Ligado L-band, Brazil and expected Europe S-band allocations) as a value driver they believe the market underappreciates today, expecting a gradual re-rating as more of these deals are understood, similar to how the market initially criticized the Ligado L-band deal before it proved highly valuable.
  • Kook and Anpanman acknowledge significant personal financial losses from the stock's drawdown (Kook says he lost nine figures) but say they remain long-term holders, expecting near-term catalysts like a Batch 3 satellite launch, further SpaceX launch-capacity purchases, J-Leo JV formalization, and eventual Golden Dome disclosures to drive a recovery.
  • Anpanman and Kook push back on a bearish analyst (referred to as Kevin Mack) who argued a 90%-gross-margin business like AST shouldn't trade at a premium multiple to revenue, arguing AST is building toward being the world's largest wireless company with potentially close to a billion subscribers plus a government/defense business, unlike a low-margin retail business.

Detailed Discussion8 topics

Convert Timing and Credit Market Dynamics

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  • Kook Speculation 00:02:13

    Describes 'hindsight capital' — credit traders are focused on total new convertible-bond issuance; the 'Mag 7' (e.g. Google, Meta) becoming large new bond issuers (potentially ~$20 billion deals) is scaring credit markets used to buyback-driven capital return, creating oversupply that could cheapen converts broadly; combined with SpaceX credit widening and no clean unsecured reference credit for ASTS, this creates a narrow window forcing a binary now-or-later financing decision.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:01

    Agrees the SpaceX credit-widening angle wasn't something he'd contemplated; notes the space sector has broadly derated amid worsening conditions in Iran, even as company-specific opportunities are coming to a head; believes bankers and Scott Wisniewski likely saw credit conditions only getting worse, prompting them to act now.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:04:22

    States the capped call transaction raised the effective conversion strike price to $149, and while the base coupon is 1.625%, the capped call cost means the effective all-in cost is higher — still comparatively cheap.

  • Kook Speculation 00:04:58

    Does mental math that the capped-call-adjusted effective cost is roughly 3.25%, and notes the structure still produces positive carry for AST.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:09

    Says two separate contacts independently raised SpaceX credit widening with him, suggesting it's front-of-mind for credit investors, comparing it to how Oracle's credit spread became a widely watched market proxy; argues SpaceX is a mixed credit profile given xAI ('a money vaporization machine'), Starship ('a company that blows up rockets for data'), a high-capex ISP business, and Cursor.

Why Raise Now: Blue Origin Setback and Capital Strategy

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  • Kook Untagged 00:06:26

    Admits to personal losses from the drawdown (says he 'lost nine figures' over the past two months) and feels foolish for not hedging with downside trades, but says he was never going to sell his ASTS stock regardless.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:17

    Argues the company can't run itself like a short-term option and must think long-term; acknowledges in hindsight they could have raised earlier at $80–100, but questions whether convert buyers would have been there then, and notes doing an offering at a lower price can be more attractive to buyers than a higher one.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:15

    Argues waiting into August/September was risky because of Iran-related uncertainty, US midterm elections potentially causing Congressional gridlock, and August being a historically slow/thin market period; notes the company disclosed advanced J-Leo discussions with Rakuten for the first time via a Reg FD filing, reflecting a real near-term opportunity worth funding ahead of macro uncertainty.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:18

    Agrees you can't count on conditions improving later; expects AST will need to quickly buy additional SpaceX Falcon 9 launch capacity to offset the Blue Origin loss (estimates this could burn through roughly half a billion dollars fast), reducing AST's cash cushion; argues the company now needs to be funded like a 'hyperscaler' needing 'adult money.'

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:12:32

    Notes Scott Wisniewski had told people weeks earlier the company was not planning a convert, but that was before the Blue Origin explosion; once bankers offered attractively cheap convert terms amid the mounting opportunities, Scott had to choose between an ATM raise or a convert and went with the convert.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:13:18

    Notes the company updated guidance to 45 satellites in orbit by early 2027 rather than year-end 2026.

MVNO Prisoner's Dilemma, Starlink Threat, and the US Carrier JV

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:18

    Argues that a year or two ago, being late by even a quarter would have been a real competitive problem versus Starlink signing up MNOs, but today AST is in a position of privilege where every MNO wants to work with it because they see what Starlink/SpaceX is doing; says the US carrier JV was created as a competitive counter, not a race against Starlink, and that being delayed by a quarter or a few quarters is no longer as urgent as long as the product/service is delivered correctly.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:00

    Says this framing was emphasized to him in a brief conversation with AST management on the day of recording; states SpaceX CFO Brian Johnson is hoping the MNOs will defect from each other in a prisoner's-dilemma dynamic so one ends up working with Starlink, but believes MNOs are smarter than that because their core fixed wireless/mobile businesses are at risk.

  • Kook Speculation 00:16:07

    Says Anpanman's MVNO framing clarified his prior confusion about the JV's purpose; previously worried (partly influenced by a critic he refers to only as 'he who shall remain unnamed,' apparently analyst Tim Farrar/'Tim Ferrara') that the JV could function as a buyer's cartel to pressure ASTS pricing, which he doubted the FTC would allow; now sees the real value as the implicit MVNO angle, which forces Starlink into a costly 'Charlie Ergen game of chicken' of building its own physical towers — a low-ROA business he thinks Wall Street would hate given SpaceX's other capital-intensive ventures (Cursor, a 'NeoCloud reseller' AI business, and Starship needed to keep Starlink viable).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:43

    Floats that SpaceX could instead buy Dish's unfinished terrestrial network build-out (estimates roughly 70% of US population covered) as a path to a credible terrestrial threat, though notes MNOs would view that very negatively; recalls a Bloomberg article about SpaceX-Charter discussions that he believes was floated by SpaceX/Starlink to scare MNOs into believing Starlink would build a real terrestrial network to force a prisoner's-dilemma defection.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:35

    Predicts that as this dynamic plays out in the US, other markets' MNOs (e.g., Japan's KDDI) will also come to see working with Starlink as too risky and eventually shift toward AST SpaceMobile; says he ran an informal poll asking when KDDI would move to AST.

MVNO Change-of-Control and Transferability Question

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  • Kook Untagged 00:20:39

    Asks whether existing cable-company MVNO agreements (e.g., Charter/Spectrum's arrangement, reportedly first done with Verizon) would be transferable if SpaceX acquired the cable company, or whether such deals typically carry change-of-control triggers.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:21:08

    Believes there is likely some change-of-control provision, noting cable companies contributed spectrum as part of their MVNO deals (citing Verizon as an early MVNO partner), but is unsure of the exact structure and says it's 'homework' to look into further; agrees AT&T couldn't buy a cable company and expect Verizon to honor that MVNO agreement.

Stock Regime Shifts, Catalysts, and Blue Origin Capital Raise Speculation

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  • Kook Untagged 00:21:39

    Reflects on being surprised by past sudden 'regime shifts' in the stock (recalling being distracted during a prior rip in the stock last June) and wonders what specifically triggers the next inflection point, noting the stock has moved as much as 70% in about 10 days before.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:26

    Believes the recent capital raise now being 'cleared' makes for a good entry point for institutions, and that AST is clearly buying more SpaceX launch capacity.

  • Kook Speculation 00:23:52

    Spitballs a theory that a reported roughly $10 billion Blue Origin capital raise might be connected to AST's timing — guessing AST could put in $100–150 million as a cap-table investment/vote of confidence, jokingly comparing it to a 'sidecar' Anthropic-style investment, and imagines Blue Origin could become the market's preferred 'clean' space company if New Glenn achieves cadence and if Amazon's Kuiper were eventually folded in.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:03

    Explicitly clarifies the company is not going to buy a launch company itself, but floats that AST could hypothetically be part of financial backing if Sierra Space or Blue Origin were to acquire ULA.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:26:26

    Cautions that AST actually buying a launch company would, in his view, validate the bearish narrative from 'Rocket Lab guys' and would be an operational overreach; both hosts note recent public confusion (citing a Tim Ferriss/Farrar tweet thread) mistakenly assuming AST was buying a launch company, when the intent is only to purchase launches/capacity, not acquire a launch provider.

Golden Dome, Midland Expansion, and Spectrum Strategy

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:34:04

    Notes that scaling manufacturing from 6 satellites/month toward 10–12/month only makes sense for government purposes, citing a Twitter comment suggesting classified programs might require a fully separate building.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:34:39

    Recalls Scott Wisniewski saying, around September 2025, that AST planned to set up a new dedicated Micron production facility, implicitly for Golden Dome-related, non-communications government use cases; recalls Scott specifically saying such use cases could involve an extra roughly 240 satellites as their own dedicated production line, and speculates these could even require a different type of satellite processor/chip given potential classification requirements.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:36:15

    Ties this to AST's cash position (roughly $3 billion, now down to about $2.7 billion) and the principle that a $25–30 billion market-cap company should never let cash fall below about $1 billion; connects recent moves around a 400,000-square-foot Midland production facility and previously mocked job postings for around 500 open positions as evidence the company is spending ahead of an anticipated (not yet disclosed) Golden Dome opportunity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:38:xx

    Notes Grain Management's spectrum deal got regulatory approval faster than expected; says AST is working with Grain, which will select a vendor to light up that 800 MHz spectrum, and speculates AST may need to contribute economically for rights to use it; also floats that a Department of War-linked Ligado settlement could shift more spectrum economics, or that Viasat could eventually spin off or merge its S-band spectrum with AST.

  • Kook Speculation 00:38:42

    Says acquiring global S-band (e.g., via a hypothetical Viasat deal) would be thematically simple and valuable versus deals like Grain, whose value the market may not immediately recognize — comparing spectrum accumulation to 'digging out a riverbed' before it's clear there's 'water' (revenue) to fill it.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:04

    Argues AST likely doesn't need a Viasat transaction because it is independently accumulating S-band spectrum cheaply or for free in the markets that matter — citing an already-granted 10x10 MHz allocation in Brazil, an expected similar 10x10 MHz in Europe, and roughly 10 other markets being pursued — suggesting investors betting on a Viasat-AST S-band deal may be disappointed.

  • Kook Speculation 00:42:19

    Says he hopes AST does not acquire whole companies (unless it's a pure spectrum deal), citing the operational-integration risk of absorbing a company like Iridium's 'legacy culture' (as Rocket Lab is doing) versus AST's current lean structure; believes gradual spectrum 'blocking and tackling' will be an underappreciated value-creation mechanism that the market only recognizes in hindsight.

First Composite Block 2 Satellite Unfurl and Near-Term Launch Catalysts

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  • Kook Speculation 00:43:38

    Says the simplest driver of a stock rebound is likely still just launch; expects a 'Batch 3' shipment soon and possibly a new multi-launch agreement (MLA) with SpaceX or added launch certainty even if AST has to pay up, which would restore confidence after the Blue Origin-driven 'TAM deliverability' scare.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:44:44

    Clarifies AST already has an MLA with SpaceX; the open question is just purchasing additional launch options, which may not be separately publicized but could be disclosed in an earnings-call context (e.g., moving from a handful of purchased launches to two handfuls).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:45:26

    Says the market initially reacted very negatively to the Ligado spectrum deal (questioning why AST needed spectrum at all), yet the roughly $2 billion economic-equivalent deal is now believed to be worth around $20 billion, drawing a parallel to SpaceX buying EchoStar, Amazon buying Globalstar, and Rocket Lab buying Iridium; expects AST's other spectrum wins (Grain, Brazil/Europe S-band) to be gradually re-rated similarly.

  • Kook Untagged 00:47:57

    Notes the same-day unfurling of the first composite Block 2 satellite is a final 'de-risker' ahead of the convert pricing, since convert buyers effectively wanted proof the satellite would deploy before committing capital.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:48:51

    States this marks the first time a composite Block 2 satellite has been unfolded in orbit (distinct from FM1/FM2), calling it a major milestone; notes three more Block 2 satellites have been shipped to Cape Canaveral.

  • Kook Untagged 00:49:07

    Says this is the first true proof point toward the ultimate scalable manufacturing model, contrasting it with earlier 'prototype' vehicles (BlueWalker 3, Block 1, FM1) that he'd previously worried weren't representative of the real production design.

Investor Psychology, Personal Losses, and Skeptics

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  • Kook Untagged 00:27:57

    Vents frustration at online critics — citing an analyst nicknamed 'Eric the Umpire' who posted a lengthy thread arguing the dilution is positive, and a mocking video — while admitting he is embarrassed the stock trades around $60 and feels visceral urges for vindication if the stock recovers to $150.

  • Kook Speculation 00:30:26

    Argues his core belief is that Abel Avellan and Scott Wisniewski are ethical, and there is 'not a chance' Avellan's prepaid forward transaction was executed knowing a convert would follow right after Andrew Johnson told investors no convert was planned, since that would risk securities misrepresentation; concludes something must have changed operationally or in market conditions in the prior two weeks — and that the successful satellite unfurl confirms it wasn't a defensive raise driven by bad news.

  • Kook Speculation 00:53:47

    Theorizes that the aggressive short covering seen recently may reflect the unwinding of an index-arbitrage 'reverse conversion' trade (short stock plus long synthetic position, speculated to be run by funds like Millennium) rather than shorts anticipating the capital raise; questions whether the correlation with a Starship launch outcome (success or failure) would help or hurt ASTS.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:55:37

    Mocks a bearish Substack article by an analyst referred to as Kevin Mack arguing a company with AST's ~90% gross margin should trade at only about 3 times revenue.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:56:22

    Rebuts that framing, arguing AST is building toward being the largest wireless company in the world with potentially several hundred million to roughly a billion subscribers at scale, plus a government business, which does not fit a low-margin, grocery-store-style 3x-revenue valuation.

Watch Items7

  • Batch 3 (BlueBird 11-13) shipment and launch

    expected soon, per hosts Kook 00:43:38
  • Possible additional SpaceX launch-capacity purchase (existing MLA, more options)

    near-term, may surface on an earnings call rather than a standalone press release Anpanman 00:44:44
  • Formalization of the J-Leo joint venture with Rakuten

    advanced discussions disclosed via Reg FD; not yet formal Anpanman 00:09:15
  • Golden Dome-related contract/production-line disclosure

    unclear — spending is happening now, disclosure timing unknown Anpanman 00:36:15
  • Grain Management spectrum vendor selection

    upcoming, not yet finalized Anpanman 00:38:00
  • US midterm elections and potential Congressional gridlock

    ahead of the November 2026 midterms Anpanman 00:09:15
  • Starship launch outcome and its read-through for ASTS sentiment

    unspecified upcoming launch Kook 00:54:59

Open Questions7

  • Are existing cable-company MVNO agreements (e.g., Charter/Spectrum) transferable, or do they contain change-of-control provisions that would prevent SpaceX from inheriting that MVNO capacity if it acquired a cable company?

    Kook 00:20:39
  • What specifically triggers AST SpaceMobile's historical rapid stock 'regime shifts' (including moves of up to 70% in about 10 days), and can the next one be anticipated?

    Kook 00:22:47
  • Will Blue Origin's reported roughly $10 billion capital raise include a strategic investment from AST, and could Blue Origin eventually absorb Amazon's Kuiper to form a cleaner competitor narrative to SpaceX?

    Kook 00:23:52
  • Could AST SpaceMobile participate in financing a Blue Origin or Sierra Space acquisition of ULA?

    Anpanman 00:26:03
  • Will Viasat monetize or spin off its S-band spectrum in a deal with AST, or is AST's own organic spectrum accumulation (Brazil, Europe, ~10 other markets) sufficient to make that unnecessary?

    Anpanman 00:41:04
  • When will AST formally disclose Golden Dome-related government contracts or the dedicated production line reportedly being planned for such use cases?

    Anpanman 00:36:15
  • Will other international MNOs, such as Japan's KDDI, eventually shift from Starlink-linked arrangements to AST SpaceMobile given the US MVNO/prisoner's-dilemma dynamic?

    Anpanman 00:19:35
2026-07-16 57:18

Pain Before Gain: Why Anpanman Is Still Buying the Dip on $ASTS

Anpanman

Recorded the evening AST SpaceMobile surprised the market with a $1 billion convertible note announcement, Anpanman (solo episode) walks shareholders through why the stock sold off. He defends management against accusations of dishonesty and explains the deal's mechanics in detail.

His headline conclusion: this is a 'pain before gain' moment, with management pressing its advantage on newly emerged opportunities (Blue Origin's launch outage, the Japan J-Leo project, and a Midland manufacturing expansion) rather than lying about needing capital. He was personally buying shares after-hours into the weakness.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman argues AST management did not lie about not needing another convertible note; he says circumstances materially changed in the roughly two months since the mid-May Q1 earnings call, primarily due to Blue Origin's launch pad setback and the emergence of the Japan J-Leo opportunity.
  • The new convert priced with a 1.625% coupon and roughly 7.5-year maturity, a 20% initial conversion premium over the $66.30 prior close (initial conversion/strike price of $79.557), and price talk that the capped call could raise the effective strike to $140-$150 — capping potential future dilution at roughly 1.5% if the stock ends up in the money.
  • AST disclosed cash on hand fell to $2.7 billion as of June 30, down from about $3 billion the prior quarter (roughly $300 million of quarterly burn); Anpanman says that cash pool was originally sized to fund 100 satellites under the prior plan, not the extra launches and J-Leo equity match now needed.
  • Two catalysts drove the raise per Anpanman: Blue Origin suffered a launch-pad-related setback (described as a static-fire explosion) that took it offline for the rest of the year, forcing AST to consider buying additional SpaceX Falcon 9 (and possibly ULA, Mitsubishi Heavy, Relativity) launches to keep the constellation buildout on schedule; and the Japan J-Leo sovereign satellite project (Japanese government committing roughly $1 billion) requires AST to contribute matching equity capital alongside Rakuten.
  • AST separately disclosed that the previously targeted 45-satellite deployment by year-end had already slipped to early 2027 (Q1), and that it is in advanced discussions with Rakuten to form the J-Leo joint venture — both framed by Anpanman as updates delivered to convert investors via the same 8-K/Reg FD disclosure.
  • AST announced a roughly $150 million Midland, Texas manufacturing expansion adding about 400,000 square feet to its existing ~500,000 square foot global footprint; Anpanman pushes back on a viral take (attributed to 'Tim Ferriss' on X) that this signals production problems, arguing instead it points to a ramp toward 10-12 satellites/month tied to emerging government demand (Scott Wisniewski had previously said 6/month is the commercial baseline and higher rates would require government work).
  • Anpanman draws a direct parallel to AST's January 2024 capital raise, when a $100 million equity offering (after an initial convertible note with AT&T/Google/Vodafone) diluted shareholders by over 30% and cratered the stock to about $3.50 from a briefly spiked $5.56 — a raise he says was painful at the time but funded the company through to Verizon's strategic investment and, eventually, an all-time-high stock price of $133.
  • He also parallels the January 2025 Ligado L-band spectrum deal (roughly $2 billion economic outlay), which investors initially blasted as unnecessary but which he says has since been worth roughly $20 billion in value and helped trigger sector-wide MSS spectrum consolidation (SpaceX/EchoStar, Amazon/Globalstar, Rocket Lab/Iridium).
  • Anpanman states AST is not buying a launch company (explicitly ruling out an ULA acquisition) — the roughly $1 billion in net proceeds (after capped-call costs, from the $1.15 billion gross including the green shoe) is earmarked mainly for purchasing additional launches, funding AST's required equity contribution to the J-Leo joint venture, and possible smaller 'tuck-in' acquisitions rather than transformative M&A.
  • Anpanman disclosed he personally bought AST SpaceMobile shares after-hours the night of the convert announcement as the stock fell to roughly $57-$58, while acknowledging his own unrealized losses are in the 'low double...low 8-digit' range.

Detailed Discussion10 topics

Sentiment, sector derating, and framing the drawdown

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:21

    Opens by acknowledging a brutal stretch since the end of May, with the stock down and people upset; says trolls are blaming him and Kook for the convert and stock performance, and that he is not 'easy on management' — he pushes them on tough questions but ultimately they run the company. He advises anyone who doesn't trust management to sell.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:36

    Says the entire space sector has derated 50-60% (citing Planet Labs, Rocket Lab, Intuitive Machines as also down significantly), attributing part of it to the SpaceX IPO's liquidity-draining effect on the sector and part to macro factors; AST is down further on top of that because of the convert.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:21

    Discloses he personally is down 'low double, low 8-digit figures' on paper but hasn't crystallized the losses; recalls being down about 80% on his warrants when the stock was at $2 and warrants were at $0.35, calling that period worse.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:02:36

    Notes the stock hit $58 after-hours on unusually low volume (7-10 million shares recently vs. a typical 20-25 million share average daily), attributing thinner summer liquidity (institutional investors 'out in the Hamptons') to more exaggerated price moves.

Mechanics of the $1 billion convertible note

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:05:23

    Lays out price talk: 1.625% coupon, 7.5-year maturity, 20% initial conversion premium over the $66.30 close, implying an initial conversion/strike price of $79.557.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:05:23

    Explains the capped call structure (AST buys back the sold call and sells an upper call), with price talk suggesting the capped-call strike could be raised well above the prior all-time high of $133, to roughly $140-$150 — which would put potential dilution from the converts (if they go in the money) at only about 1.5%.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:05:23

    Says convert arbitrage buyers will need to hedge their positions, estimating hedging in the 5-7 million share range depending on how much of the issue they buy (70-80%), with likely more hedging activity over the next 2-3 days.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:23:31

    Notes the deal, including the green shoe, totals $1.15 billion gross, and after netting out the cost of the capped call, proceeds to the company are roughly $1 billion.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:23:31

    Clarifies for a listener that this is convertible debt, not immediate equity dilution — it only becomes dilutive if the stock is above the conversion price at maturity (in 7.5 years); otherwise the company must refinance or repay it in cash.

What changed since Q1 earnings: Blue Origin and J-Leo

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:09:26

    States that as part of the recent setbacks, BlueBird 7 was not placed in the proper orbit and had to be deorbited, and separately, Blue Origin — a key launch partner — suffered an explosion during what was expected to be a routine static-fire test, destroying/damaging the launch pad (referred to in the transcript as the 'SLC-A' pad) and taking Blue Origin offline for the remainder of the year, removing a key pillar of AST's launch campaign.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:09:26

    Says AST disclosed cash on hand of $2.7 billion as of June 30, down from about $3 billion the prior quarter (~$300 million burned), and that the original $3 billion was earmarked to fully fund 100 satellites and the plans as they stood at the time — not additional launch purchases needed after Blue Origin's outage.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:26

    Explains that with Blue Origin offline until 'at best early next year,' AST may need to buy additional launches from alternatives — floats ULA, Relativity, Mitsubishi Heavy, and SpaceX as candidates — and that he and other institutional investors had urged management to procure more SpaceX Falcon 9 launches (with upfront prepayments if needed) for schedule certainty, even suggesting building enough of a buffer program (e.g., adding ~5 more Falcon 9 launches plus Mitsubishi Heavy/ISRO/Relativity) before bringing Blue Origin back once it has 3-4 successful commercial launches under its belt.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:09:26

    Says the original 45-to-60-satellite multi-launch campaign (13 launches) was targeted to complete by end of this year but has been pushed back because of the Blue Origin issue; the disclosed 45-satellite timeline is now early 2027 (Q1).

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:09:26

    Describes the J-Leo opportunity as previously unforeseen: the Japanese government is providing roughly $1 billion for infrastructure and satellites, but AST must contribute some matching equity capital (some debt can be raised against it, but cash contribution is required) — a new capital need that wasn't anticipated before.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:09:26

    Confirms AST's 8-K/press release for the convert also formally disclosed the company is in advanced discussions with Rakuten to form the J-Leo joint venture, upgrading the status from rumor to an official company disclosure.

Midland manufacturing expansion

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:14:06

    States AST is expanding manufacturing in Midland at a cost of about $150 million, adding roughly 400,000 square feet to the existing ~500,000 square feet of global production facilities, with some tax incentives attached; says he saw the press release/community-dug-up filing but hasn't fully dug into it yet.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:14:06

    Pushes back on a tweet (attributed to 'Tim Ferriss') suggesting the expansion signals production isn't going well and is needed just to hit the original 6-satellites/month goal; Anpanman recalls Scott Wisniewski previously said going beyond 6/month (to 10-12/month) would only be required for government applications, and interprets the expansion as a signal that government work is materializing.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    In Q&A, agrees with a listener's suggestion that the added 400,000 sq ft could be for a separate secure/classified facility required for government manufacturing programs, saying he hadn't considered that angle but it's plausible; also reiterates ramping to 10-12 satellites/month as an alternate explanation.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    Says he believes AST will start manufacturing Block 3 mid-band BlueBird satellites sometime toward the end of this year, requiring the company to build two satellite 'shells' simultaneously, and that a third shell (enabled by the expanded space) would be a good use of the new capital.

Pain before gain: the January 2024 raise parallel

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:19:11

    Recalls AST's January 2024 strategic raise (convert with Vodafone, Google, AT&T) that initially sent the stock from about $3 to $5.56 on a press-release mix-up, before a second press release revealed a required $100 million equity offering that ultimately priced around $3.50, forcing the company to issue over 30 million shares (over 30% dilution).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:11

    Says that $100 million, which looks 'paltry' now, was absolutely necessary to fund the company for the next 5-6 months and ultimately led to Verizon joining as a partner, after which the stock rose from $6 to $8, $9, $10, and eventually to an all-time high of $133 (per the episode description).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:11

    Frames the current convert similarly: painful in the moment, but once investors understand the capped call gets the effective strike above $133 with only ~1.5% dilution, and that management is acting opportunistically ahead of several pending catalysts, he views it as 'smart management' — just poorly timed relative to the recent all-time high.

Ligado deal parallel and capital allocation philosophy

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  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:23:31

    Recalls that when the Ligado L-band spectrum deal was announced around January 2025 (stock in the mid-$20s), investors were furious, questioning why AST needed to spend roughly $500 million via an SPV plus ongoing fees to acquire MSS spectrum it didn't obviously need.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    Says it took a few weeks for the market to realize the deal ('spectrum alchemy') was a no-brainer: the disputed 45 MHz of L-band spectrum (roughly 1.5-1.7 GHz) was tied up with the Department of War, and only BlueBird satellites could unlock it for its original satellite-to-terrestrial purpose via AT&T and Verizon, enabling higher-quality broadband beyond terrestrial spectrum alone.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    Says AST's roughly $2 billion economic outlay on Ligado has since become worth about $20 billion, and the deal helped trigger sector-wide MSS spectrum consolidation: SpaceX buying EchoStar spectrum, Amazon buying Globalstar, and Rocket Lab buying Iridium.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    Argues that if investors trust management as smart capital allocators who expand the business (as with Ligado, the military pivot, and Verizon), they should be willing to fund new opportunities as they emerge rather than insisting the company 'stick to its original plan' — framing this as the core test of whether AST is the right investment for a given shareholder.

Use of proceeds and launch-provider options (audience Q&A)

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:23:31

    Says he spoke briefly (about 5 minutes) with the company and is fairly certain AST is not buying a launch company/launch provider outright, though there could be some investment activity around that; the proceeds are mainly for buying more launches and possibly funding tuck-in acquisitions.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    States AST will not buy ULA — ULA exists partly because the U.S. wants launch-vehicle diversity, but it is behind on reusability; recalls ULA was rumored to be acquired by Sierra Space or Blue Origin back in 2024 at a price of roughly $2-3 billion, which he estimates is now more like $3-5 billion given additional government work.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    Speculates that if Blue Origin (which is raising $10 billion) or Sierra Space were to acquire ULA, AST could make a strategic investment into that transaction to secure guaranteed launch capacity and possibly some equity, rather than buying a launch provider itself.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    Says he thinks it's a high probability that AST/Rakuten's J-Leo joint venture will itself contract launch services, though Mitsubishi Heavy specifically doesn't need AST's capital.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    Says a strategic investment in Blue Origin (already an important AST customer) could raise AST's profile and priority in Blue Origin's launch queue, though he isn't sure how much of the newly raised capital would go toward such an investment versus simply buying more launches.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    Pushes back on the idea that SpaceX is being uncooperative on launch agreements, saying SpaceX is simply being commercial, that AST chose Blue Origin because it looked economical and promising despite its issues, and that the SpaceX launch-side team (as opposed to the competing Starlink business side) has been professional.

Disclosure, trust, and dilution Q&A

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:23:31

    Explains that companies raising capital for multiple, not-yet-committed purposes typically use generic 'general working capital and corporate purposes' language, whereas AST's disclosure specifically named buying launches, pursuing acquisition opportunities (not a launch provider), and funding growth initiatives — which he views as relatively more transparent than the norm.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:23:31

    Reiterates that at the Q1 call management said they didn't foresee needing another convert, but did not rule out an equity/ATM raise; he argues this isn't a broken promise given what changed in the roughly two months since mid-May: negatives (Blue Origin blowing up, the Iran conflict) alongside positives (J-Leo, the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile-adjacent JV forming, Chris Sambar joining T-Mobile, Grain Management's 800 MHz approval with AST testing on it, SDA testing at 900 MHz for military use).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    Frames the choice for investors as: if three highly accretive opportunities requiring capital appear, would you rather management stay in its lane or pursue them — he says he'd personally hand management the money to 'press their advantage.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    Tells a listener worried about dilution in the next six months that if that risk is unacceptable to them, AST may not be the right investment, since it's a growth company that may need to raise capital again; says the company likely wants to maintain $1-1.5 billion of cash buffer beyond stated needs, noting 'you don't run a $30 billion market cap company on a lean cash balance.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    Says he expects management to explain the rationale for the raise at the upcoming earnings call, and possibly sooner if additional news/color emerges.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    Notes that unlike AST shareholders, Rocket Lab shareholders generally don't lambast management for raising capital and instead wonder what growth opportunities will follow — contrasting investor mentality across the two stocks.

Spectrum and competitive positioning

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:23:31

    Cites a same-day Bloomberg article (on Starlink and EU satellite policy) that called out Satellite Connect Europe (the Vodafone-AST JV) as well-positioned to receive an allocation of 2 GHz MSS spectrum in Europe, calling this a positive signal since those reporters are usually good at surfacing things before they happen.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:23:31

    States Brazil's Anatel has allocated AST 10x10 MHz of S-band spectrum, and expects additional spectrum grants globally to be announced in the coming weeks and months.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:31

    Says MNOs globally are increasingly aligned with AST as a strategic counter to Starlink, as more of the market recognizes Starlink as a competitive threat.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:49:20

    References Chris Sambar's hiring at T-Mobile and an AT&T/Verizon joint venture pooling spectrum and infrastructure that is reportedly planning to work with multiple satellite partners, though he says it's clear there's one they are primarily working with (implying AST); says he's optimistic but unsure exactly when T-Mobile might formally come on board.

Closing message

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:49:20

    Responds to online hostility by noting he, Kook, Cathie, Tanner and others share research and opinions without compensation, denies being a 'paid pumper,' and says management has given him no reason to distrust them so far; acknowledges others are free to disagree, sell, or invest elsewhere if AST doesn't fit their risk tolerance.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:49:20

    Recalls the 2022-2024 period when the stock fell to about $2 and some longtime holders sold at the bottom out of exhaustion, only for shares to later reach $58 after-hours (referencing the rebound); frames high volatility and the need for personal risk-tolerance discipline (warning against margin/heavy options use) as inherent to the investment.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:49:20

    Confirms his last share purchase was after-hours on the day of the announcement, and closes reiterating the deal terms (1.6% coupon, 7.5-year maturity, capped-call conversion price of $140-150, ~1.5% potential dilution) and that sentiment-driven weakness is often a good time to add for those with the risk tolerance and capacity to do so.

Watch Items7

  • Upcoming AST SpaceMobile earnings call, where management is expected to explain the rationale for the $1 billion convert and capital needs

    Not dated in-episode; described as 'the upcoming earnings call' Anpanman 00:23:31
  • AST's next satellite launch (additional Block 2 BlueBirds via SpaceX)

    August (per Anpanman, 'we have our launch coming up in August') Anpanman 00:49:20
  • 45-satellite constellation deployment timeline

    Early 2027 (Q1), pushed out from year-end 2026 due to the Blue Origin setback Anpanman 00:09:26
  • Formation of the AST-Rakuten J-Leo joint venture and further details on the ~$1 billion Japanese government program

    Not specifically dated; described as in 'advanced discussions,' with more formal details expected Anpanman 00:09:26
  • Start of Block 3 mid-band BlueBird satellite manufacturing

    Anpanman's guess: 'sometime towards the end of this year' Anpanman 00:23:31
  • Blue Origin's return to active launch service for AST after its recent pad/static-fire setback

    'At best early next year' per Anpanman Anpanman 00:09:26
  • Additional global spectrum grants beyond Brazil's Anatel allocation and the EU 2 GHz MSS allocation to Satellite Connect Europe

    Expected 'in the coming weeks and months' Anpanman 00:23:31

Open Questions5

  • Exactly how much of the ~$1 billion in new proceeds will go toward additional launch purchases versus J-Leo equity funding versus potential tuck-in acquisitions?

    Anpanman 00:23:31
  • Will AST make a strategic investment into Blue Origin's ongoing $10 billion capital raise (or into a potential ULA acquirer such as Blue Origin or Sierra Space) to secure guaranteed launch capacity?

    Anpanman 00:23:31
  • When, if ever, will T-Mobile formally join the satellite direct-to-device partnership alongside AT&T and Verizon, given Chris Sambar's move to T-Mobile?

    Anpanman 00:49:20
  • Is the new 400,000 sq ft Midland expansion driven by a need for a separate secure/classified facility for government manufacturing programs, or simply by capacity needs to reach 10-12 satellites/month?

    Anpanman 00:23:31
  • How will the Iran conflict and broader macro conditions (potential Fed rate moves) affect market sentiment and AST's stock in the near term?

    Anpanman 00:05:23