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2026-10-12 53:42

AST SpaceMobile vs SpaceX Spectrum

Kook

This solo episode of the AST SpaceMobile Podcast features host Kook alone, recorded after a brutal week for ASTS stock. He unpacks a sharp selloff tied to leveraged-trading pain, a delayed Blue Origin launch, and confusion over SpaceX's spectrum purchase.

Kook argues SpaceX's purchase of low-band spectrum, which he pegs at roughly $8 billion and which triggered the selloff, actually signals SpaceX abandoning its role as a wholesale B2B satellite provider to carriers in favor of a direct-to-consumer Starlink Mobile strategy. He says that removes SpaceX as AST's main competitive threat for mobile-carrier partnerships.

He also covers the State Department's J-LEO announcement naming AST and Rakuten, a Brazil spectrum win, Elon Musk's spectrum fight with India, and skepticism that Starlink Mobile can out-compete entrenched US carriers. He relays analyst Tim Farrar's view that Starship delays will slow SpaceX's own satellite rollout.

Kook's headline conclusion is that the market badly misread the SpaceX news. He says Barron's and sell-side analysts agree it should favor AST SpaceMobile, not hurt it, as carriers rally around AST's technology instead of SpaceX's.

Key Takeaways

  • ASTS stock fell sharply on heavy volume last week after SpaceX announced it would buy low-band spectrum, but host Kook argues the market's negative reaction was backwards and the news is actually good for AST SpaceMobile.
  • Kook describes SpaceX's spectrum purchase as roughly $8 billion (stated casually/approximately) for what he believes is Nextel-era 800 MHz spectrum, and frames it as SpaceX pivoting from a wholesale B2B satellite-to-carrier model toward a vertically-integrated, direct-to-consumer 'Starlink Mobile' service.
  • That pivot, according to Kook, removes SpaceX as AST SpaceMobile's main potential competitor for mobile-carrier partnerships, strengthening AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile's incentive to stick with AST instead.
  • Kook says Barron's publicly stated the ASTS selloff didn't match the fundamentals, and cites sell-side firms Berenberg and Roth Capital as viewing the SpaceX spectrum news as validation of AST's direct-to-cell strategy rather than a threat.
  • The US State Department named AST SpaceMobile and Rakuten specifically in a joint communique on US-Japan technology cooperation tied to the J-LEO satellite project.
  • Kook argues Elon Musk's public dispute with the Indian government over spectrum access, which he ties to lobbying by an Indian billionaire he refers to as Ambani, illustrates a structural international weakness for SpaceX versus AST's local-partner model.
  • Kook relays a report that telecom analyst Roger Entner described the new AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile satellite joint venture as informally known as the 'Non-Elon Club,' intended to prevent SpaceX from unilaterally setting satellite-to-phone standards.
  • Former AT&T network executive Chris Sambar, now at T-Mobile, publicly stated that AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile are aligning around direct-to-satellite technology, and Kook cites reports that T-Mobile has removed Starlink branding from its satellite marketing.
  • Kook relays analyst Tim Farrar's view that SpaceX's new terrestrial build-out obligations will further delay its second-generation direct-to-cell satellites, which already depend on the not-yet-operational Starship rocket and were pushed to the second half of 2028.
  • Kook estimates AST needs roughly 25 launches on vehicles like New Glenn to deploy its 243-satellite constellation, versus a rough estimate that Starlink's broader satellite plans could require on the order of 300 Starship launches, a gap he argues favors AST's near-term execution.
  • Kook notes the FCC has opened additional spectrum for Supplemental Coverage from Space and removed a continuous-coverage requirement, giving AST SpaceMobile more flexible access to spectrum held by its carrier partners.
  • Kook says AST SpaceMobile received a new FCC Special Temporary Authority to test the 902-928 MHz band for advanced radar capabilities tied to non-communications government use cases.
  • Kook pushed back on investor criticism that AST needs to 'control the narrative,' arguing the company already communicates extensively through its 10-K filings, earnings calls, and industry presentations rather than hyping unconfirmed programs like Golden Dome or Japan's J-LEO.

Detailed Discussion14 topics

A Brutal Week for ASTS Stock

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  • Kook Untagged 00:00:21

    ASTS stock had what Kook calls a horror-show week driven by three specific negative developments happening together: a delayed Blue Origin launch, AST's own execution slipping, and confusion around SpaceX's spectrum purchase.

  • Kook Untagged 00:01:39

    Kook describes leveraged traders getting hammered, including people using heavy options leverage or ASTX (a leveraged ASTS product) who sent him DMs describing facing 'basically ruin'; he says momentum stocks broadly got hit, not just ASTS.

  • Kook Untagged 00:03:32

    Kook spent the weekend refreshing his personal 'Code Red' ASTS diligence document for an upcoming re-release, noting it had been roughly six months since his last update.

Satellite Shipment Tweet and Company Communication Style

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  • Kook Speculation 00:05:15

    AST tweeted that its satellites had arrived at Cape Canaveral, information the community already knew; Kook speculates the company may have held off posting until it had schedule certainty for the launch date, and floats a Monday announcement of a firm launch date as possible though he's 'not particularly hopeful.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:50

    Kook pushes back hard on investors demanding the company 'control the narrative,' arguing AST already communicates extensively via its 10-K, earnings calls, investor presentations, and industry events, and that it deliberately avoids hyping unconfirmed programs like Golden Dome or Japan's J-LEO because of government confidentiality requirements and cultural protocol (especially with Japan).

State Department Spotlights J-LEO and Rakuten

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:06:38

    The US State Department named AST SpaceMobile and Rakuten specifically — not a broad list of companies — in a joint communique on US-Japan technology cooperation, which Kook frames as evidence of high-level government coordination around AST's role in strategic competition with China.

  • Kook Speculation 00:06:38

    Kook argues AST's strength in the 'awareness' and 'decision' components of the military 'kill chain' concept makes the J-LEO project strategically valuable to Golden Dome beyond basic connectivity use cases.

International Spectrum Wins: Brazil and the Elon-India Dispute

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:14:00

    Kook notes AST — and separately SpaceX — received spectrum access in Brazil this week, calling it an incremental but under-appreciated win.

  • Kook Speculation 00:15:24

    Kook discusses Elon Musk's public Twitter fight with India's government after an Indian billionaire he refers to as Ambani allegedly lobbied to block SpaceX; Kook argues this damages SpaceX's international standing because sovereign governments may distrust a US company with unilateral 'kill switch'-style control over connectivity.

  • Kook Speculation 00:15:24

    Kook argues AST's B2B model, which 'vests power' in local mobile network operators and governments through data sovereignty, is a structural international advantage versus SpaceX's more centralized, vertically-integrated approach.

SpaceX Buys Low-Band Spectrum — Good or Bad for AST?

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  • Kook Speculation 00:18:09

    Kook says SpaceX bought low-band spectrum he describes casually as costing roughly '$8 billion, whatever,' which he believes is Nextel-era spectrum that's been around for about 20 years; the news triggered an immediate roughly 15% single-day ASTS stock drop on about 50 million shares traded.

  • Kook Speculation 00:18:09

    Kook argues the purchase is actually good news for AST because it shows SpaceX removing itself as a B2B competitor and instead becoming a vertically-integrated B2C 'Starlink Mobile' provider, a business model Kook says is fundamentally inconsistent with how Elon Musk operates and with how AST's MNO-partnership model works.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:22

    Kook relays that two friends — a telecom industry contact with CEO-level MNO relationships and a banker with spectrum expertise — independently and unprompted told him the SpaceX news was good for ASTS, and cites Barron's publicly stating the stock drop 'shouldn't' have happened and calling it an endorsement of AST's strategy, alongside supportive sell-side notes from Berenberg and Roth.

Did ASTS Miss Out on the Spectrum?

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  • Kook Speculation 00:24:48

    Kook speculates the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture, not AST directly, was likely the bidder that drove up the spectrum's price, and that AST may instead be positioned for a lease/revenue-share deal on that spectrum rather than an outright purchase, consistent with how AST already accesses partner spectrum without buying it outright.

Can Starlink Mobile Actually Compete With the MNOs?

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  • Kook Speculation 00:27:48

    Kook argues Starlink Mobile faces major structural hurdles: building out terrestrial towers and radios takes years, it likely lacks Apple/Samsung device partnerships, carrier churn is already low, and it would be entering a US market where AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile already compete intensely on price, device subsidies, and marketing.

  • Kook Speculation 00:27:48

    Kook cites a banking friend's view that Starlink Mobile is not a meaningful threat to the big three US carriers 'before a 2040-type outcome.'

Tim Farrar and the Starship Launch Math

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  • Kook Speculation 00:35:43

    Kook relays analyst Tim Farrar's view that SpaceX's new terrestrial build-out will further delay its V2 direct-to-cell satellites, which already rely on Starship and had already slipped to the second half of 2028.

  • Kook Speculation 00:35:43

    Kook estimates (doing rough math with an AI tool) that AST needs on the order of 25 launches on vehicles like New Glenn to field its 243-satellite constellation, while Starlink's roughly 15,000-satellite plan could require on the order of 300 Starship launches, with a minimum viable direct-to-cell product alone needing an estimated 50 Starship launches — a cadence he calls essentially impossible on current Starship timelines.

The 'Non-Elon Club' Carrier JV and T-Mobile's Pivot Away From Starlink

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  • Kook Rumor 00:39:12

    Kook cites a Roger Entner interview describing the new AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile satellite joint venture as informally known as the 'Non-Elon Club,' designed to prevent SpaceX from unilaterally setting satellite-to-phone standards and to stop any single carrier from striking an exclusive MVNO deal with Starlink.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:40:28

    Kook highlights T-Mobile executive Chris Sambar — the former AT&T network leader Kook credits with originally brokering AT&T's AST deal — publicly stating that AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile are coming together around direct-to-satellite service technology, and cites reports that T-Mobile has erased Starlink branding from its satellite offering.

US Carrier Market Structure vs. the ULA Analogy

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  • Kook Speculation 00:40:28

    Kook argues the US MNO market, unlike the Boeing/Lockheed ULA launch monopoly born of insufficient demand, is a genuinely competitive 'street fight' between AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile with thin margins and constant promotional spending, meaning Starlink would face real competition rather than a complacent incumbent structure.

Other Carriers Reportedly Shifting From Starlink to AST

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  • Kook Rumor 00:45:32

    Kook says it 'looks like' One New Zealand may be flipping from Starlink to AST SpaceMobile, and that he expects more carriers to follow this pattern.

  • Kook Speculation 00:45:32

    Kook notes Abel Avellan tweeted about the aggregate spectrum held by US carriers, implying AST already has access to it, which Kook reads as a possible subtle confirmation of a T-Mobile relationship.

FCC Tailwinds and Golden Dome Radar Testing

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:45:32

    Kook notes the FCC has opened additional spectrum specifically for Supplemental Coverage from Space and removed a continuous-coverage requirement, giving AST more flexible access to spectrum already held by its MNO partners.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:45:32

    Kook relays (crediting community member Justin Barrett) that AST received a new FCC Special Temporary Authority to test in the 902-928 MHz band for its advanced radar capabilities, which he connects to Golden Dome-related non-communications use cases the company is restricted from publicly detailing.

New Glenn Returns to the Pad

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  • Kook Speculation 00:48:35

    Kook says he was personally invited to invest in a new Blue Origin funding round at a high valuation with strong investor interest, and that Blue Origin is stacking first-stage boosters with roughly 20 second stages in production, which he says would materially improve AST's satellite deployment pace if New Glenn resumes launching reliably.

When the Market Gets It Wrong

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  • Kook Speculation 00:50:41

    Kook recounts a past example with Anpanman: when AST announced its Verizon deal, the stock rose only about 5% despite what Kook considered monopoly-level significance for the stock (then trading around $5), prompting him to buy aggressively above the market offer; he draws a parallel to the current selloff, suggesting the market may again be mispricing good news before recognizing it.

Watch Items3

  • Possible announcement of a firm launch date for AST's next batch of satellites

    possibly as early as the Monday following this episode Kook 00:05:15
  • SpaceX's V2 direct-to-cell satellites, which depend on Starship

    already delayed to second half of 2028, per Tim Farrar as relayed by Kook Kook 00:35:43
  • New Glenn's return to the launch pad

    no specific date given; Blue Origin stacking boosters with ~20 second stages in production Kook 00:48:35

Open Questions4

  • Was AST SpaceMobile itself bidding on the low-band spectrum SpaceX ultimately bought, or was it the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture bidding on AST's behalf via a prospective lease deal?

    Kook 00:24:48
  • Can Starlink Mobile actually become economically viable as a direct-to-consumer carrier given device-ecosystem lock-in with Apple and Samsung, the lack of existing towers, and the capital intensity of competing with entrenched US MNOs?

    Kook 00:27:48
  • Will SpaceX ultimately pursue an MVNO deal with one of the big three US carriers, and would such a deal even be economically competitive given markup requirements on wholesale network access?

    Kook 00:40:28
  • Will the Indian government relent and grant SpaceX market access given Elon Musk's public dispute with India's government, or will the diplomatic friction persist?

    Kook 00:15:24
2026-10-08 48:48

SpaceX Buys Grain Management Spectrum Explained

Anpanman

This solo episode features Anpanman reacting live to breaking news that SpaceX is acquiring Grain Management's low-band spectrum, paired with a same-day FCC order. He frames it as a strategic turning point for AST SpaceMobile ($ASTS) despite an initial negative knee-jerk stock reaction.

SpaceX is buying Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum, 7 MHz by 7 MHz nationwide, to launch its own mobile network operator competing with AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile. The same day, the FCC released an order opening roughly 480 MHz of carrier spectrum for satellite direct-to-device use, no longer requiring contiguous nationwide bands.

Anpanman argues this is bad for the three carriers short-term but great for AST, since it locks AT&T, Verizon and especially T-Mobile into needing AST as their satellite counter to a newly aggressive Starlink. He says a T-Mobile definitive agreement with AST could now arrive within days or weeks rather than months.

His headline conclusion: the competitive field is now set as the three major US carriers plus AST versus SpaceX and Starlink, a dynamic he expects to repeat globally, and he says he personally plans to add to his AST position that evening.

Key Takeaways

  • SpaceX announced it is acquiring Grain Management's 800 MHz low-band spectrum, 7 MHz by 7 MHz nationwide, to build its own mobile network operator business competing directly with AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile.
  • Anpanman argues the Grain deal is bad for the three major US carriers short-term but strategically very good for AST SpaceMobile, because it forces the carriers to rely on AST for satellite coverage to counter a newly competitive Starlink.
  • An FCC order released the same day opens roughly 480 MHz of carrier (MNO) spectrum for satellite direct-to-device use and removes the prior requirement that the spectrum used be a contiguous nationwide band.
  • Anpanman believes a T-Mobile definitive commercial agreement with AST, previously expected in Q1-Q2 of next year, could now be announced within days or weeks given the pressure created by the SpaceX-Grain deal.
  • The AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile telco joint venture, which Anpanman says was actually formed in May to pool spectrum and infrastructure against SpaceX's satellite ambitions, is expected to face a DOJ antitrust second request before approval.
  • Anpanman speculates Grain Management's asking price for the spectrum was roughly $6 billion or more, though the actual transaction value was not disclosed by SpaceX.
  • AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile stock traded down sharply after-hours on the news, which Anpanman considers a reasonable near-term market reaction given the new fourth-competitor threat from Starlink.
  • Anpanman does not expect Starlink to offer a competitive mobile network operator service until around 2028-2029, since it still needs to deploy V2 direct-to-cell satellites and build out terrestrial infrastructure for the new spectrum.
  • Anpanman says AST's biggest loss from the Grain deal is not having access to that spectrum itself (a 'nice to have, not a need to have'), while its biggest win is that the deal squarely locks T-Mobile into AST's camp.
  • Anpanman argues AST should remain a neutral, multi-tenant satellite provider rather than take a direct equity investment from the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture, expecting the JV to instead contribute more terrestrial spectrum to AST's network.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

SpaceX acquires Grain Management spectrum

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:59

    SpaceX announced a transaction to acquire Grain Management's spectrum: 800 MHz low-band spectrum, 7 MHz by 7 MHz nationwide, giving SpaceX the ability to launch a full mobile phone service and compete with AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile as a fourth carrier.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:30

    He speculates SpaceX could deploy the spectrum via a new dedicated low-band D2D satellite (separate from its mid-band V2 satellite using EchoStar spectrum), plus a terrestrial tower/radio network, possibly using assets from Charlie Ergen's failed DISH wireless buildout.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:30

    He calls this a historic day and says AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile executives are likely holding emergency board meetings, though they probably already suspected the deal since Grain had been talking to AST and others.

Strategic implications for AST SpaceMobile

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:59

    He argues the deal is bad for the carriers (if Starlink captures even 3-10% market share) but very good for AST, because it locks the carriers into needing satellite service to counter Starlink's claimed 100% geographic coverage versus terrestrial networks' ~96% population coverage.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:03:40

    He references the T-Mobile CEO recently calling satellite coverage 'table stakes' as evidence carriers will be forced to deploy AST service broadly.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:26

    On why carriers won't instead work with Amazon or Globalstar on D2D: he says T-Mobile already lived this story with SpaceX/Starlink, which started as a partner and is now competing for the carriers' own subscribers, and expects Amazon would eventually do the same.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:05:10

    He states the strategic value of AST, 'this little company out of Midland,' has gone up again as a result of the Grain deal, even though it would have been nice for AST to have leased the Grain spectrum itself.

FCC order opens carrier spectrum for direct-to-device

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:05:40

    The same-day FCC order opens up roughly 480 MHz of additional carrier (MNO) terrestrial spectrum for satellite direct-to-device use, versus the previously limited set of nationwide bands allowed under the Supplemental Coverage from Space framework.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:06:10

    The order also removes the requirement for a contiguous geographic/spectrum swath, allowing carriers to use segments of spectrum instead, which he says plays to AST's ability to light up portions of spectrum without 'spilling noise everywhere.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:40

    He credits FCC Chairman Brendan Carr with opening competition broadly: enabling SpaceX to compete against the MNOs via Grain's spectrum, while also freeing the MNOs to deploy all their own spectrum via satellite to counter Starlink.

The telco JV and antitrust

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:58

    He says the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile telco joint venture was formed in May and, contrary to some industry consultants' claims that it exists to negotiate leverage against Starlink, was actually built to pool spectrum, terrestrial gateways and network integration to better compete against SpaceX's satellite ambitions.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:44

    He recalls John Stankey previously saying the telco JV would likely face a DOJ antitrust second request before approval, but argues Starlink's move to become a fourth competing carrier now strengthens the JV's case that it is not anti-competitive.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:12:10

    On concerns the JV could pressure AST's pricing, he says that's unlikely: the carriers need a healthy, well-funded AST partner to counter Starlink, so he expects the roughly 50/50 (maybe 40/60) revenue-sharing structure to be maintained rather than squeezed.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:13:55

    AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile stock traded down sharply after-hours on the news, which he views as a rational reaction to a previously stable oligopoly becoming more unstable.

T-Mobile's position with Starlink

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:01

    He analogizes Starlink to an openly cheating spouse and T-Mobile to the publicly embarrassed partner, arguing T-Mobile should move quickly to end its Starlink relationship and take back its satellite spectrum access.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:46

    He says a T-Mobile definitive agreement with AST, which he previously thought was months or quarters away (possibly Q1/Q2 of next year), could now come within days or weeks given the urgency created by the Grain deal.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:36:00

    He calls T-Mobile's original 2022 decision to partner with SpaceX/Starlink 'the ultimate strategic blunder,' arguing it indirectly helped AST by educating the market about direct-to-device and pushing Verizon and AT&T toward AST.

Global sovereignty and competitive landscape

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:16:02

    He argues many countries want sovereign satellite solutions rather than ceding mobile connectivity to a foreign operator like Starlink, which could 'eviscerate' local incumbent carriers who have invested in spectrum, infrastructure and jobs.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:30

    He suggests Japan's NTT Docomo, KDDI and SoftBank, and Europe's Deutsche Telekom, are reassessing Starlink partnerships given Starlink's ambitions to eventually compete with its own carrier partners, strengthening the case for working with AST instead.

Why SpaceX didn't just buy a carrier

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:54

    He argues SpaceX avoided acquiring an existing MNO because that would slow its growth profile and get it valued like a low-growth telecom rather than a high-growth company; buying spectrum and taking share instead preserves a growth narrative.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:24:00

    He notes SpaceX's ambitions extend beyond mobile phones to IoT, robotics and cars, giving it additional reasons to build out its own connectivity beyond just competing with AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile.

Launch updates

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:24

    He says Blue Origin is getting back to the launch pad and should be ready to fly for AST again around January or February, giving AST another active launch provider.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:28:10

    He notes AST already has launches booked on SpaceX Falcon 9 and is working with other launch providers as well, addressing concerns that SpaceX might refuse to fly AST satellites given the companies are now competitors in some respects.

Live Q&A

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:33:23

    Asked about Grain's likely asking price, he guesses it was around $6 billion or more based on earlier Bloomberg reporting about Grain soliciting offers, though the actual transaction value was not disclosed by SpaceX.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:34:10

    He says he never believed AST itself was trying to buy the Grain spectrum, since AST already has low-band access through carrier partnerships; he thinks Grain's bankers used the process mainly to get SpaceX to bid the price up.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:11

    Responding to a listener question about whether AST is too late versus Starlink's coming low-band capability, he says Starlink likely won't reach a reasonably competitive MNO service until around 2028-2029, while AST's handset-compatible infrastructure and MNO spectrum access already exist.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:38:36

    On AST's biggest loss and win from the Grain deal: the loss is not having access to the Grain spectrum itself (a 'nice to have, not a need to have'); the biggest win is that the deal squarely locks T-Mobile into AST's camp.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:40:16

    Asked if a T-Mobile announcement is coming soon, he says it's a decent possibility within days or weeks, since any previously planned announcement timeline would likely be pulled forward given the urgency created by today's news.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:42:24

    On AST's competitive advantage versus Amazon and Iridium, he cites AST's technology, patents and already-deployed constellation as hard to replicate, and argues Iridium's roughly 8 MHz of shared uplink/downlink spectrum (time-division duplexed) can never support a broadband service, limiting it to voice, PNT and military use.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:44:25

    Asked whether the telco JV should invest directly in AST, he argues AST should remain neutral and multi-tenanted across all global MNOs rather than being owned by one party, and expects the JV to instead contribute more terrestrial spectrum to AST's network over time.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:46:49

    He closes by saying he plans to add to his AST position that evening and expects it will take the market, including sell-side analysts, days to weeks to fully digest the strategic implications of the SpaceX-Grain deal.

Watch Items4

  • T-Mobile definitive commercial agreement with AST SpaceMobile

    Possibly days to weeks away, pulled forward from a prior estimate of Q1/Q2 next year Anpanman 00:09:46
  • Blue Origin returning to the launch pad as an active AST launch provider

    Probably January or February Anpanman 00:27:24
  • DOJ/FCC antitrust review of the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile telco joint venture

    Expected second request before approval; no specific date given Anpanman 00:10:44
  • Narrative/sell-side digestion of the SpaceX-Grain deal's implications for AST

    Possibly before tomorrow's market open, or within a few weeks Anpanman 00:46:49

Open Questions5

  • What was the actual transacted price for SpaceX's acquisition of Grain Management's spectrum?

    Anpanman 00:33:23
  • Is Grain's 800 MHz spectrum currently supported by existing handsets, or would new hardware/software support be required?

    Anpanman 00:37:11
  • Will the DOJ require a second antitrust request for the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile telco joint venture, and how will that affect its approval timeline?

    Anpanman 00:10:44
  • How quickly can SpaceX realistically build out a terrestrial network and win subscribers at scale (tens of millions) rather than just a few million?

    Anpanman 00:24:40
  • Will the telco JV take a direct equity stake in AST, or will it instead simply contribute more terrestrial spectrum to AST's network?

    Anpanman 00:44:25
2026-10-06 41:29

AST SpaceMobile Just Got US State Department Backing

Anpanman

This AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode is a solo commentary from Anpanman, covering a cluster of fresh catalysts: T-Mobile scrubbing Starlink from its T-Satellite website, Telus completing integration testing in Canada, and a US State Department joint statement with Japan naming AST SpaceMobile and Rakuten.

Anpanman traces T-Mobile's 2022 Starlink spectrum deal under CEO Mike Sievert and argues removing Starlink branding right after the AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile joint venture announcement signals T-Mobile is pivoting toward AST. He also covers Telus's completed integration testing, joining Bell, and speculates Rogers may eventually drop Starlink too.

The bulk of the episode centers on a US-Japan State Department joint statement naming AST and Rakuten as the only private companies cited for LEO satellite cooperation, tied to Japan's $1 billion J-LEO sovereign constellation. Anpanman connects this to Golden Dome, citing the book The Kill Chain, and discusses AST's radar, electronic warfare, and PNT potential for defense use cases.

Anpanman closes very bullish, telling short sellers they are making a poor bet, while flagging in Q&A that at least three more equity offerings may be needed before commercial service starts in late 2027 or early 2028.

Key Takeaways

  • T-Mobile scrubbed all Starlink branding from its T-Satellite website on the Thursday the AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile satellite joint venture was announced, though support/FAQ pages still mention Starlink since T-Mobile is still using that service.
  • Anpanman argues this is strategically significant because T-Mobile's 2022 partnership with Starlink, under then-CEO Mike Sievert, gave Starlink access to T-Mobile's 1.9 GHz mid-band spectrum that Starlink otherwise lacked for mobile handsets, which he calls a strategic mistake T-Mobile is now trying to unwind.
  • Only one sell-side analyst, Berenberg, has published research on the possibility of T-Mobile partnering with AST SpaceMobile, which Anpanman says means the market is not pricing in this potential shift.
  • Telus has completed integration testing with AST SpaceMobile in Canada, following Bell Canada's earlier successful voice/video calling tests and gateway deployment; both Telus and Bell are also AST strategic equity investors.
  • Anpanman believes Rogers, Canada's third major carrier, may eventually move away from its Starlink partnership after its CEO said Rogers is open to working with other satellite providers.
  • The US State Department issued a joint statement with Japan on technology cooperation that explicitly welcomed 'Japan's Rakuten Group and the US-based AST SpaceMobile cooperation' on LEO satellite infrastructure — the only two private companies named in the statement.
  • Anpanman connects this to Japan's $1 billion sovereign J-LEO satellite constellation being built by a Rakuten-AST joint venture, which he says could tie into Golden Dome-style allied defense cooperation, sensing, radar, and electronic warfare use cases.
  • The AST-Rakuten joint venture to execute the J-LEO project has not yet been formally finalized, even though the J-LEO contract itself has already been awarded to Rakuten.
  • Anpanman cites AST's work with Space Force and the Department of War on sensing/radar, plus FCC filings on positioning, navigation and timing (PNT), as evidence the market undervalues AST's defense business.
  • In listener Q&A, Anpanman estimated at least three more AST equity offerings may be needed before commercial service starts in late 2027/early 2028, and said he would not be surprised, though he doesn't view it as likely, if the US government eventually took a passive equity stake in AST.

Detailed Discussion10 topics

T-Mobile Scrubs Starlink From Its T-Satellite Website

3
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:45

    PC Magazine reported that T-Mobile scrubbed its T-Satellite website, removing all references to Starlink; this happened on Thursday, the same day the AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile joint venture was announced.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:45

    T-Mobile's support and FAQ pages still mention Starlink by name because the carrier is still using the service, but Anpanman expects T-Mobile to continue de-emphasizing the Starlink brand going forward.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:27

    In an ideal world for AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile, none of them will ever mention AST SpaceMobile by name, since AST is a background wholesale infrastructure provider while the carriers own the customer relationship and billing.

T-Mobile's History With Starlink and Why the Shift Matters

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:45

    T-Mobile's turnaround under CEO John Legere included the MetroPCS and Sprint mergers and an 'Un-carrier' marketing strategy that took market share from AT&T and Verizon through simplified, bundled plans.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:45

    In 2022, new CEO Mike Sievert partnered with Elon Musk and Starlink for marketing purposes, giving Starlink access to T-Mobile's 1.9 GHz mid-band spectrum, which Starlink otherwise lacked for mobile handset service, even though AST had already been working with AT&T on direct-to-device technology since 2017.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:45

    Anpanman calls the T-Mobile/Starlink spectrum deal a huge strategic mistake, because it let Starlink test and iterate its satellites using T-Mobile's spectrum and distribution, setting up Starlink to later become a direct competitor rather than staying a partner.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:45

    AT&T's John Stankey, already working with Verizon on a joint venture with AST, extended an invitation to T-Mobile to join around May 2026, after which T-Mobile had to keep running Starlink service while knowing Starlink intended to compete with it directly.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:27

    Anpanman previously thought an AST-T-Mobile MOU or definitive agreement was 'months or quarters' away, but now believes the website change and the signed carrier JV suggest it could come sooner.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:09:27

    Only one sell-side analyst, Berenberg, has written about the possibility of T-Mobile working with AST; Anpanman says no one else is pricing this in and dismisses bears who argue the US direct-to-device market would be smaller than Mongolia's.

AST's Wholesale Business Model

2
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:09:27

    Under AST's 'super wholesaler' model, MNO partners handle customer acquisition, billing, marketing, and provide spectrum (especially valuable low-band), while AST provides the satellite constellation and integration, in roughly a 50/50 split.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:09:27

    Anpanman cites a book published around May 2026, flagged by a Space Mob community member, that highlights AST's advantage of leveraging an existing installed base of 3GPP-compatible phones rather than requiring new hardware, unlike earlier satellite-phone services.

Canada: Telus Integration Testing and Rogers' Starlink/Lynk Relationship

7
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:09:27

    Telus has completed integration testing with AST SpaceMobile, following Bell Canada's earlier successful voice and video calling tests and gateway deployment in Canada.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:09:27

    Both Bell and Telus are AST strategic equity investors as well as commercial partners; Telus's equity stake is not large but gives it 'skin in the game.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:27

    Canada is a three-player carrier market (Telus, Bell, Rogers); Anpanman expects AST's Canadian market share to 'asymptotically approach 100%.'

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:09:27

    When Rogers first announced its Starlink partnership, it also announced testing with Lynk Mobile the same day; Lynk has struggled for about five years, including a failed SPAC attempt, and Rogers effectively dropped that relationship.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:27

    Rogers' CEO recently said that while Starlink is a partner, Rogers is open to working with others; Anpanman reads this as a sign Rogers may move away from Starlink given dissatisfaction with 'intermittent texting and spotty satellite service.'

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:09:27

    Once Block 3 BlueBirds launch, Ligado spectrum (also available in Canada) will add capacity and coverage on top of the Block 2 low-band constellation already serving Canada.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:27:04

    Responding to a listener question about a LEO government contract reportedly given to Telesat, and ties between Canadian PM Carney and Telesat, Anpanman estimates AST currently holds roughly two-thirds of the Canadian market (Telus plus Bell) and says he needs to research the Telesat contract further before commenting.

US State Department Joint Statement With Japan

3
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:09:27

    The US State Department issued a joint statement with the government of Japan on technology cooperation covering AI, advanced communications, 5G, 6G, space, quantum research, security, and securing strategic technology supply chains.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:09:27

    The statement explicitly 'welcomed Japan's Rakuten Group and the US-based AST SpaceMobile cooperation for the development and deployment of low Earth orbit satellite infrastructure' — the only two private companies named in the entire joint statement.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:27

    Anpanman notes Japan's MIC (its FCC equivalent) has been discussing using the Rakuten/AST $1 billion J-LEO constellation for Japan's self-defense forces, including sensing, radar, and connectivity to protect the island.

Rakuten J-LEO Sovereign Constellation and Golden Dome

4
  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:09:27

    The J-LEO constellation will use BlueBird satellites with a network control center based and sovereignly operated in Japan, but federated into AST's broader network, allowing AST to lease capacity from those satellites elsewhere.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:27

    Anpanman speculates the US is implicitly inviting allies — Canada, Europe, and Japan — into a Golden Dome-style framework by encouraging sovereign constellations built on AST's compatible technology, so allied systems could interoperate with a future US system.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:09:27

    Anpanman cites the book 'The Kill Chain' by Christian Brose (which he says he is still early into, recommended by Kook) as background on how the US under-invested in networked warfare after the Cold War, noting as an example that the F-22 and F-35 cannot directly communicate with each other and pilots must coordinate verbally.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:27

    Anpanman argues AST's sovereign constellations for allies like Japan and Europe create compatible, interoperable networks that could support Golden Dome and allied defense cooperation, partly because allied governments are wary of political dependence on Starlink/SpaceX.

Production Capacity and Government Demand

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:04

    Anpanman says AST wants to reach a production capacity of 12 satellites per month, adding 'who knows when that will happen, but they've got the square footage to do it,' citing an expanding facility in Barcelona, an HQ in Belgium, and a constellation flagged in Germany for European operations.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:27:04

    Anpanman states AST now has what he describes as a 'running tally' of roughly 15 government contracts, spanning the DIU, SDA, Space Force, Department of War, and Navy, plus work with NATO.

Electronic Warfare, Sensing and PNT

4
  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:27:04

    AST is testing with Space Force and the Department of War on sensing and radar applications, which Anpanman says could help locate launched missiles or stealth aircraft.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:04

    Anpanman speculates, explicitly flagging it as speculation, that AST's large phased arrays could be used for electronic warfare — for example disrupting cellular networks over roughly a 30-mile radius by flooding frequencies with noise, without needing to physically cut communications infrastructure.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:27:04

    AST has filed with the FCC regarding an emerging positioning, navigation and timing (PNT) capability, which Anpanman calls critical for military assets.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:04

    Anpanman argues resiliency requires multiple satellite constellations working together rather than a winner-take-all outcome, so that if an adversary like Russia jams one constellation, allied forces have others (AST, Starshield, Iridium, etc.) to fall back on.

Q&A: J-LEO/Joint Venture Status and Government Backing

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:04

    Asked whether the State Department announcement was needed for US government approval of the J-LEO contract in Japan, Anpanman clarified the J-LEO contract itself was already awarded to Rakuten and likely doesn't need separate US approval, but the AST-Rakuten joint venture to execute it has not yet been formally inked.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:04

    Anpanman argues being named in a joint US-Japan government statement signals AST has support from the US government, likely including the State Department, FCC, and Department of War, positioning AST as a favorable framework for future allied partnerships.

Q&A: Dilution and Funding Outlook

4
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:04

    Asked how many more rounds of dilution will be needed given cash burn and limited near-term revenue, Anpanman said, spitballing, he expects 'at least 3 more offerings' before commercial service starts in late 2027 or early 2028, noting delays could require even more.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:04

    Anpanman says AST's prior capital raise partly funded expanded production capacity and US government work, and argues that investment 'paid dividends' because Japan subsequently awarded AST $1 billion toward the J-LEO constellation.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:04

    Anpanman says he wouldn't be surprised, though he doesn't think it's likely, if the US government eventually took a passive equity or equity-linked stake in AST (on the order of $1 billion), similar to past government investments in MP Materials and Intel, given how strategic space superiority is to the current administration.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:04

    Anpanman speculates a US government equity stake could roughly double AST's stock price and significantly lower its cost of capital, effectively making the company 'too big to fail' or de facto government-supported.

Watch Items4

  • Formal signing of the AST-Rakuten J-LEO joint venture agreement

    Not yet finalized; to be announced once inked Anpanman 00:27:04
  • Potential AST-T-Mobile MOU or definitive commercial agreement

    Possibly sooner than Anpanman's prior estimate of 'months or quarters' away Anpanman 00:09:27
  • AST SpaceMobile commercial service launch

    Mid to late 2027, possibly early 2028 Anpanman 00:27:04
  • Additional ASTS equity/capital offerings

    At least 3 more offerings expected before commercial service start Anpanman 00:27:04

Open Questions4

  • Will Rogers in Canada drop its Starlink partnership and move fully to AST SpaceMobile?

    Anpanman 00:09:27
  • What are the terms and implications of the LEO government contract reportedly awarded to Telesat in Canada?

    Anpanman 00:27:04
  • When will the AST-Rakuten J-LEO joint venture be formally finalized?

    Anpanman 00:27:04
  • Will the US government take a passive equity stake in AST SpaceMobile, and if so, how would that affect its stock price and cost of capital?

    Anpanman 00:27:04
2026-10-05 42:37

Why T-Mobile Is Scrubbing Starlink Before an ASTS Deal

Kook

This AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode is a solo commentary from Kook, reacting to BlueBird 11's successful deployment and arguing a T-Mobile direct-to-cell deal is imminent. No other named recurring host appears in this episode.

Kook recaps BlueBird 11 coming back "nominal" after a week of uncertainty over whether it was stuck, and frames AST's satellites as military-grade hardware built for a perfect deployment record. He notes Batch 3 — BlueBird 14, 15 and 16 — launched this week on another SpaceX flight, with the next launch expected in roughly 2-3 weeks.

He argues the newly completed AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture clears a contractual path for T-Mobile to sign with AST, citing T-Mobile scrubbing Starlink content from its website, new FCC filings, Grain Management spectrum testing, and Ligado docket activity. He predicts the T-Mobile deal could land within days and offers to quit his job if it happens within a week.

Kook also covers SiriusXM's COO joining AST, livestock tracking as a "vertical" TAM example, satellites' role in the military kill chain, and dismisses Viasat as lacking the people or designs to compete. He closes by noting ASTS has compounded roughly 35% a year since its 2021 SPAC despite a 90% drawdown.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook, solo host of the AST SpaceMobile Podcast, says BlueBird 11 came back "nominal" after a tense week of uncertainty over whether the satellite was stuck in its deployment.
  • Kook relays a theory that BlueBird 11's slower separation reflected simple Newtonian physics — BlueBird 12 and 13 had more mass to push off against during stage separation, leaving BB11 with less energy and requiring other satellites to use drag braking to realign spacing.
  • Abel Avellan stated that everything with BlueBird 11 went as planned, meaning the satellite was not actually stuck.
  • Batch 3 — BlueBird 14, 15, and 16 — launched this week on another SpaceX Falcon 9 flight from Cape Canaveral, with Kook expecting the next AST launch in roughly 2-3 weeks.
  • Community analyst Tanner reviewed AST's latest factory video frame-by-frame and spotted BlueBird 25 already visible in the production ring, along with supply-chain and equipment changes.
  • Kook argues retail investors misread AST's prior guidance as broken promises rather than the normal schedule slippage inherent to an unprecedented engineering project.
  • Kook says AST's direct-to-cell competitors, including Viasat, lack the people, prime contractors, proprietary designs, funding, and regulatory approvals needed to compete.
  • Kook says the three-carrier MNO joint venture (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile) is complete, with existing carrier-satellite agreements — including AT&T's and Verizon's AST deals and T-Mobile's Starlink partnership — preserved, which he argues clears a contractual path for T-Mobile to sign its own AST deal.
  • Kook predicts a T-Mobile/AST SpaceMobile deal is imminent, possibly within days, citing T-Mobile scrubbing Starlink content from its website, new FCC filings, Grain spectrum testing, and Ligado docket activity; he says he'll quit his job if it's announced within a week.
  • AST SpaceMobile updated its website's partner-count language from "nearly 60" to "over 60" mobile network operators.
  • A bear commentator dismissed the T-Mobile/Starlink defection narrative and instead claimed Starlink was about to win a contract in Mongolia, which Kook mocks given Mongolia's small population.
  • Kook cites a Peter Thiel-backed cattle-tracking company charging $5-8 per cow per month across roughly a million cows in New Zealand as an example of a 'vertical' direct-to-cell use case buildable on AST's platform.
  • SiriusXM's executive vice president and chief operating officer joined AST SpaceMobile this week, receiving $12 million of stock at a $60 per-share valuation.
  • Kook argues Viasat, led by 71-year-old Mark Dankberg amid recent VP departures, lacks the engineering talent and manufacturing experience to be a credible competitor, and suggests Viasat's real goal is to get AST to overpay for its L-band spectrum.
  • Kook frames AST's satellites as relevant to the US military 'kill chain,' noting that 5G-type electromagnetic sensing could help detect stealth aircraft and that AST capabilities could support future autonomous-drone warfare.
  • AST SpaceMobile is hiring M&A analysts, which Kook frames as supporting an expected active pace of future acquisitions.
  • Kook calculates that an investor who bought ASTS at $11 on its April 1, 2021 de-SPAC date and held through a roughly 90% drawdown would still have compounded at about 35% per year.

Detailed Discussion15 topics

BlueBird 11 Deployment Drama

4
  • Kook Confirmed 00:38

    Kook describes seeing Abel Avellan's tweet on a Thursday night confirming BlueBird 11 was nominal, reacting with excitement despite the weak stock price.

  • Kook Speculation 01:43

    Kook says he used TLE orbital-tracking data and AI analysis repeatedly over several days to try to determine whether BB11 was stuck, at one point concluding it probably was, similar to BlueWalker 3's earlier stuck deployment.

  • Kook Speculation 01:43

    Kook relays an alternate theory he saw just before deployment: BB11's slower separation reflected simple Newtonian physics, since BlueBird 12 and 13 had more mass to push off against during stage separation, giving BB11 less velocity and requiring the other satellites to use atmospheric drag to brake and realign spacing for handoff.

  • Kook Company Guidance 01:43

    Abel Avellan stated that everything with BlueBird 11 had gone as planned, meaning it was not actually stuck, though Kook says he would have been equally excited if the company had instead revealed it deliberately unstuck the satellite, since that would show redundancy.

Perfect Deployment Record and "Military-Grade" Framing

3
  • Kook Untagged 01:43

    Kook says AST SpaceMobile has a perfect record so far of its launch providers delivering every satellite payload to its correct orbital position.

  • Kook Speculation 04:01

    Kook, drawing on the book The Kill Chain, argues AST's satellites should be understood as military-grade assets built with large engineering margins and extensive testing, unlike systems that push the envelope with no reserve margin.

  • Kook Speculation 06:54

    Kook credits Abel Avellan's leadership and team for the execution, noting the company now has roughly a million square feet of manufacturing capacity in Midland and, by his count, 13 operating satellites with far more array area than Iridium's constellation.

Batch 3 Launch and Production Ramp

4
  • Kook Confirmed 08:56

    Batch 3 — BlueBird 14, 15, and 16 — launched this week on another SpaceX flight from Cape Canaveral, continuing what Kook calls SpaceX's surprising ability to keep finding rocket capacity for AST.

  • Kook Speculation 08:56

    Kook expects the next AST SpaceMobile launch in roughly 2-3 weeks.

  • Kook Speculation 08:56

    Community analyst Tanner reviewed AST's newly released factory video frame-by-frame, identifying supply-chain changes, new satellite-handling equipment, and BlueBird 25 already visible in the production ring.

  • Kook Speculation 08:56

    Kook speculates AST could have as many as 18 satellites in orbit by around Thanksgiving, with 21 not far behind.

Delays and Retail Investor Psychology

2
  • Kook Speculation 10:54

    Kook argues retail investors misread AST's prior guidance as a broken promise rather than normal schedule slippage, which he says is universal among hard private-company engineering projects.

  • Kook Speculation 10:54

    Kook says AST is running roughly 2-3 years behind its original timeline, which he still considers remarkable given the scope of the technical challenge.

Competitive Landscape: Why Rivals Lack People

2
  • Kook Speculation 12:31

    Kook argues no competitor has the people, prime contractors, proprietary satellite designs, financing, or regulatory approvals to replicate AST's direct-to-cell satellites, citing the difficulty of finding specialized talent in thermal management, ASIC tuning, bus manufacturing, and large ceramic/composite structures.

  • Kook Untagged 12:31

    Kook notes AST had to overcome manufacturing setbacks such as broken carbon-fiber rings requiring emergency air shipment of replacements, underscoring how difficult the production process has been even for AST.

MNO Joint Venture and the T-Mobile Bet

3
  • Kook Confirmed 15:15

    Kook says the three-way MNO joint venture among AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile is now complete, with existing carrier-satellite agreements — including AT&T's and Verizon's AST deals and T-Mobile's Starlink partnership — remaining in place.

  • Kook Speculation 15:15

    Citing a sell-side report, Kook says the joint venture structure gives T-Mobile a contractual route to AST SpaceMobile satellite capacity without unwinding its existing Starlink relationship.

  • Kook Speculation 15:15

    Kook predicts a T-Mobile/AST SpaceMobile deal announcement is imminent, saying he feels it could happen within days; he pledges to quit his job if it's announced within the next week, and to reveal a community analyst's identity if no T-Mobile deal happens.

T-Mobile Scrubs Starlink; AST Website Changes

2
  • Kook Speculation 17:19

    Kook, citing community member Justin Barrett, highlights that T-Mobile has been removing Starlink-related content from its website, which he interprets as preparation to add AST SpaceMobile service.

  • Kook Confirmed 17:19

    AST SpaceMobile separately updated its own website's partner-count language from "nearly 60" to "over 60" mobile network operators.

Mongolia and Bear Claims

2
  • Kook Rumor 18:47

    A bear commentator Kook calls "Free Speech" dismissed the T-Mobile/Starlink defection narrative as immaterial to the small US market, instead claiming Starlink was about to win a contract in Mongolia.

  • Kook Speculation 18:47

    Kook mocks the Mongolia claim, noting Mongolia has about 3.5 million people and roughly 2 people per square kilometer, arguing it has no bearing on his AST SpaceMobile thesis.

Vertical TAM: Tracking Cows

1
  • Kook Speculation 21:22

    Kook cites a Peter Thiel-backed cattle-monitoring company using an AI model ("Calgorithm") to track roughly a million cows in New Zealand, charging $5-8 per cow per month, as an example of a narrow but deep "vertical" direct-to-cell opportunity that developers could build on AST's horizontal satellite platform.

SiriusXM COO Hire

1
  • Kook Confirmed 24:57

    The executive vice president and COO of SiriusXM joined AST SpaceMobile this week, receiving $12 million of stock at a $60 per-share valuation.

Spectrum, FCC, Grain, and Ligado

4
  • Kook Speculation 27:14

    Kook notes another FCC Special Temporary Authority is keeping testing alive on Grain Management's spectrum, and speculates Grain still needs to decide whether AST SpaceMobile will be its partner.

  • Kook Speculation 27:14

    Kook connects recent FCC filings showing Abel Avellan and other AST executives meeting with the FCC, continued Grain spectrum testing, and increased Ligado docket activity as mutually reinforcing signs that a T-Mobile contract may already be signed or imminent.

  • Kook Rumor 27:14

    Kook references an earlier FCC filing "snafu" in which a refiled application allegedly revealed the existence of a contract with T-Mobile.

  • Kook Speculation 31:52

    Kook says Iridium continues to object loudly in the Ligado spectrum docket, which he interprets as Iridium fearing liability for causing harmful interference once AST SpaceMobile's spectrum use is approved.

Viasat Leadership Concerns

2
  • Kook Speculation 30:03

    Kook, citing research shared by "Alex from Babylon," questions whether 71-year-old Viasat CEO Mark Dankberg has the energy, talent-attraction ability, or innovation experience to make Viasat a credible direct-to-cell competitor, noting several Viasat VPs have recently left and that B. Riley has expressed concern about the company.

  • Kook Speculation 30:03

    Kook argues Viasat lacks a prime contractor and manufacturing capability, and suggests Viasat's actual strategy is to extract a high price from AST for its L-band spectrum rather than build a competing network, likening it to Charlie Ergen's playbook.

Satellites in the Military "Kill Chain"

2
  • Kook Speculation 33:11

    Kook, drawing on the book The Kill Chain (which he says underpins Palmer Luckey's strategy at Anduril), argues AST's satellites are relevant military assets because disturbed electromagnetic signals from 5G-type sensing can help detect stealth aircraft, potentially reducing the long-term value of stealth fighters.

  • Kook Speculation 33:11

    Kook notes the revival of the SR-71 "Blackbird" program and a new military unit focused on autonomous drone warfare, arguing both depend on connectivity, positioning/navigation/timing, and sensing capabilities relevant to AST.

M&A Hiring and SpaceX Inspiration vs. FUD

2
  • Kook Confirmed 36:18

    AST SpaceMobile is hiring M&A analysts, which Kook frames as supporting an expected active pace of future acquisitions, such as suppliers or spectrum deals like Ligado.

  • Kook Speculation 36:18

    Kook criticizes bears who spread FUD around the BlueBird 11 and Batch 3 launches, citing community analysts Anpanman and "another Smith" as having pointed out apparent financial ties between certain bear commentators and Viasat.

ASTS Stock Returns Since the SPAC

1
  • Kook Untagged 38:49

    Kook calculates that an investor who bought ASTS shares at $11 on its April 1, 2021 de-SPAC date and held through a roughly 90% drawdown would still have compounded at approximately 35% per year.

Watch Items4

  • Next AST SpaceMobile satellite launch following Batch 3 (BlueBird 14-16)

    roughly 2-3 weeks from the episode Kook 08:56
  • Possible T-Mobile/AST SpaceMobile commercial deal announcement

    Kook's self-imposed window of within the next week; he feels it could happen within days Kook 15:15
  • Satellite count milestone (18, then 21 satellites in orbit)

    around AST's "Thanksgiving Spaces" event (late November) Kook 08:56
  • Grain Management's decision on a direct-to-device spectrum partner, tied to ongoing FCC STA testing

    not specified Kook 27:14

Open Questions4

  • Was BlueBird 11 actually stuck during deployment, or did its slower separation reflect a deliberate physics-driven spacing adjustment?

    Kook 01:43
  • Will T-Mobile sign a definitive commercial deal with AST SpaceMobile, and if so, when?

    Kook 15:15
  • Will Grain Management select AST SpaceMobile as its spectrum partner for the 800 MHz spectrum it acquired from T-Mobile?

    Kook 27:14
  • Will the FCC approve the spectrum authorizations tied to AST's Grain, Ligado, and T-Mobile-related filings, and on what timeline?

    Kook 27:14
2026-10-02 1:27:24

$ASTS: Why the Telco JV Is Really Aimed at Starlink

Anpanman

Anpanman hosts this solo AST SpaceMobile SpaceMob episode the day after AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile formalized their satellite joint venture. He also reacts to B. Riley's same-day downgrade of ASTS and reviews a new executive hire.

Anpanman argues the new AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile joint venture exists mainly to counter Starlink, not to invite it in. He says pooling low-band spectrum and pushing open technical standards both point toward AST. AST already leases AT&T and Verizon's 850 MHz spectrum and runs an open, ground-routed network architecture.

He also pushes back on B. Riley's downgrade of ASTS from buy to neutral, with its price target cut from $85 to $65. Anpanman disputes claims that AST needs more satellites, more spectrum, and faces new pricing pressure from the Viasat-Space42 Equitas venture. He separately covers new Chief Commercial Officer Wayne Thorson.

Anpanman's bottom line is that the JV structurally favors AST over Starlink, Amazon and Iridium. He views the B. Riley downgrade as driven by stock-price sentiment, not a change in AST's fundamentals or technology.

Key Takeaways

  • AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile formed a joint venture that Anpanman believes exists specifically to counter Starlink's push to become a direct-to-device competitor to the carriers themselves, not to open the door to Starlink.
  • The joint venture's plan to pool scarce low-band terrestrial spectrum (600-900 MHz) builds on AT&T and Verizon's existing contribution of 850 MHz spectrum to AST SpaceMobile, and Anpanman argues AST is the only operator that can efficiently reuse that spectrum with its large phased-array satellites.
  • AST's 'bent pipe' network architecture, where call routing happens on the ground rather than onboard the satellite, fits the joint venture's stated goal of open technical standards, unlike Starlink's proprietary onboard-processing network, Amazon's planned proprietary architecture, and Iridium's separate proprietary system.
  • AT&T CEO John Stankey said there is a good chance of a Department of Justice 'second request' in the antitrust review of the joint venture, which Anpanman estimates could stretch the regulatory process to five to nine months.
  • AST SpaceMobile hired Wayne Thorson, previously EVP and COO of SiriusXM with prior roles at Google, Telefónica, Microsoft, ADT and SoFi, as its new EVP and Chief Commercial Officer, disclosed via a Form 4 granting him 200,000 shares.
  • B. Riley analyst Mike Crawford downgraded ASTS from Buy to Neutral and cut his price target from $85 to $65, citing rising competitive intensity, higher capital needs, and uncertainty around consumer pricing.
  • Anpanman disputes the B. Riley downgrade's premise, arguing AST has always planned to scale toward roughly 248 satellites (and more once Europe and Japan are included), so a larger eventual constellation is not new information.
  • Anpanman also disputes B. Riley's claim that combining Iridium's L-band spectrum with Viasat's adjacent uplink spectrum could create meaningful new shared satellite capacity, calling the two bands technically incompatible (TDD versus FDD) without a lengthy global regulatory process.
  • The Viasat/Space42 joint venture Equitas is pursuing the same ground-routed, carrier-controlled network architecture as AST and has discussed deploying up to 2,800 satellites as soon as 2028, though Anpanman is skeptical given Equitas has not yet built a satellite or secured a launch vehicle.
  • Europe's 2 GHz S-band spectrum held by Viasat and EchoStar (15x15 MHz each) is expected to be reallocated starting May 2027, with one 10x10 MHz block likely going to the EU's homegrown IRIS program, a second reportedly well-positioned (per Bloomberg) for the AST/Vodafone joint venture Satellite Connect Europe, and a third contested block Anpanman speculates AST could also pursue.
  • AST received an FCC extension to test Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum, and Anpanman expects a decision (he is unsure of the exact date, guessing around November 5, 2026) on whether Grain selects AST or another provider as its direct-to-device partner.
  • Abel Avellan met with FCC Chairman Brendan Carr in the week before this episode, commending efforts to free unlicensed spectrum for direct-to-device use and advocating for AST to gain access to additional 1.6 GHz spectrum adjacent to its Ligado holdings.
  • Anpanman speculates, without confirmation, that BlueBirds 14, 15 and 16 could launch on a Falcon 9 around October 21-23, 2026, with a possible second batch launching around November 7-9, 2026.
  • Anpanman believes CEO Abel Avellan is not currently a seller of AST SpaceMobile even at share prices well above today's level, given the company is close to commercializing its network.

Detailed Discussion4 topics

AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile Telco Joint Venture

18
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:59

    The AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile joint venture was announced the day before this episode; Anpanman says the carriers kept the language deliberately vague and open because the deal must pass Department of Justice antitrust review and FCC scrutiny.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:20

    Anpanman states unequivocally that the joint venture will not result in a Starlink contract — he argues the JV was actually created to counter Starlink, not to include it.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:02:20

    Starlink has wanted an MVNO deal with one of the big three carriers (akin to Mint Mobile or Boost Mobile) to rent terrestrial network capacity and augment it with satellite service, but AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile have all refused; SpaceX responded by pursuing its EchoStar 2 GHz spectrum to build its own terrestrial network, including plans (stated by SpaceX on its most recent earnings call) to deploy femtocells and new dishes with small-cell radios.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:43

    The JV formalizes pooling of scarce low-band terrestrial spectrum (600-900 MHz), building on AT&T and Verizon's prior contribution of 850 MHz spectrum to AST; Anpanman argues AST is the only operator with a large enough phased array to reuse that spectrum efficiently without interfering with terrestrial networks.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:43

    Starlink currently uses T-Mobile's PCS G-block (1.9 GHz); Anpanman expects that agreement to end within the next few months, after which T-Mobile would likely redirect that spectrum toward AST's Block 3 mid-band satellites alongside Ligado spectrum.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:35

    The JV states it wants to create opportunities for more satellite operators to compete; Anpanman says this framing is necessary for DOJ/FCC approval but that AST remains the practical fit given spectrum requirements, with Amazon as a conceivable future addition and Starlink excluded.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:10:35

    As a precedent for multi-tier service, Verizon currently pairs AST's (not-yet-live) broadband service with Skylo, which aggregates GEO satellite capacity for emergency texting, similar to Globalstar's role for Apple.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:35

    T-Mobile has no exclusivity; Anpanman speculates that once AST signs a definitive agreement with T-Mobile, T-Mobile may offer both AST and Starlink for some period to satisfy a regulatory 'consumer choice' framing.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:14:23

    The JV wants to push common technical standards for satellite devices and apps; Anpanman cites Meta's optimization of WhatsApp for both AST and Starlink's narrowband Gen 1 satellites as an example of the standardization challenge the JV wants to solve.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:14:23

    AST's 'bent pipe' architecture keeps call routing and network control on the ground (at the MNO's eNodeB), so traffic never leaves the carrier's network; Anpanman says this is uniquely suited to the JV's stated open-standards goal.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:14:23

    Equitas, the Viasat/Space42 joint venture, is proposing the same ground-routed bent-pipe architecture as AST because, in Anpanman's view, it saw AST's commercial traction and is copying the model.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:17:37

    Starlink runs a proprietary network with onboard processing and inter-satellite links, acting as a separate roaming network that can take over the customer relationship from the carrier; Amazon, per its recent FCC filings, is building a similarly proprietary network; Iridium likewise runs a fully separate proprietary system and previously tried (via Project Stardust with Qualcomm) to get handset makers to adopt its own direct-to-device chipset, which the MNOs rejected.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:12

    Existing commercial agreements stay in place under the JV: AST's five-year deal with AT&T, a roughly three-year deal with Verizon (Anpanman's own estimate), and Starlink's T-Mobile agreement, which Anpanman says has only a few months left and, per SpaceX's IPO prospectus, can be terminated at any time.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:12

    Anpanman rebuts the 'buyer's cartel' criticism of the JV: AST's agreements split end-consumer pricing 50/50 with AT&T and Verizon, so the carriers are financially incentivized to charge more for a valuable product, not to push prices down.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:12

    Anpanman argues that even if per-user pricing fell due to competition, lower prices would likely increase penetration (basic supply and demand), an effect he says bears ignore; he also notes satellite service is used intermittently, not continuously, allowing capacity to be oversubscribed like a terrestrial cell tower.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:28:20

    AT&T CEO John Stankey said there is a good chance of a DOJ 'second request' beyond the standard 30-day antitrust review; Anpanman estimates the full review could take five to six months typically, up to nine months at the long end.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:28:20

    The JV appointed an interim head who previously worked at Cingular Wireless (later acquired by AT&T); Anpanman views the fast appointment as reflecting urgency given competitive pressure from Starlink.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:20

    Anpanman's guess is that a T-Mobile memorandum of understanding with AST could come at any time, similar to the prior AT&T/Verizon MOUs, but a definitive commercial agreement probably won't arrive until after AST's beta service is live, though it could also come sooner.

New Chief Commercial Officer: Wayne Thorson

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:29:26

    AST SpaceMobile added Wayne Thorson as Executive Vice President and Chief Commercial Officer; he was previously EVP and COO of SiriusXM, overseeing major commercial agreements, product, technology, distribution, and strategic initiatives.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:29:26

    Thorson's background includes roughly six to seven years at Google in device and services business development (Pixel, Google Fi, Fitbit, Nest), plus prior roles at Telefónica (an AST MNO partner), Microsoft, ADT, and SoFi.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:29:26

    The hire was disclosed via a Form 4 filing granting Thorson 200,000 shares, filed the night before this episode; Anpanman notes he joined at a low stock price.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:26

    Anpanman believes Thorson takes over the Chief Commercial Officer title from longtime executive Chris Ivory, who will now spend most of his time on the defense side of the business as CEO of AST Defense.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:26

    AST's website language reportedly changed from '60 operators' to 'over 60 operators'; Anpanman guesses (citing a community member, Justin) this reflects now counting T-Mobile and Deutsche Telekom among its partners.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:26

    AST also recently hired an unnamed IP attorney with engineering and space background; Anpanman speculates this hints at increased focus on the company's patent/IP business, though he does not believe she has litigation experience and expects AST would outsource any patent litigation to an outside firm.

B. Riley Downgrade and Rebuttal

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:37:05

    B. Riley analyst Mike Crawford downgraded ASTS from Buy to Neutral and cut his price target from $85 to $65, citing reduced risk-reward from rising competitive intensity, greater capital requirements, and uncertainty around consumer pricing.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:37:05

    Anpanman relays a secondhand account from a friend at a hedge fund who called Crawford, who reportedly said the analyst 'doesn't know what he's talking about,' is 'affected by price action,' and is 'disconnected from reality' — an unverified characterization Anpanman says he received this morning.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:37:05

    B. Riley argues AST may need a significantly larger constellation, citing FCC/ITU filings referencing 248 to 344 satellites versus the roughly 90 previously discussed for broad coverage, implying higher long-term build and maintenance capex.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:37:05

    Anpanman disputes this as new information, saying AST has always planned beyond 90 satellites toward 248 (plus additional satellites for Europe and Japan), and that funding for larger builds tends to come alongside subscriber growth, commercial prepayments, and sovereign funding (citing Japan's roughly $1 billion commitment and expected US government Golden Dome-related funding).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:05

    Anpanman adds that radar and sensing applications using low-band spectrum (600-900 MHz) are underappreciated by the market, drawing an analogy to reports that large phased arrays like Starlink's Starshield can detect stealth aircraft using 2-36 GHz, arguing AST's lower frequencies could do an even better job.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:42:39

    B. Riley also argues AST may need to acquire additional spectrum rights beyond what is already secured to maintain capacity and differentiation, implying further investment.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:42:39

    Anpanman counters that AST's model often involves spectrum being granted by governments rather than purchased, citing Brazil's grant of a 10x10 MHz S-band block to AST and Saudi Arabia/STC's existing L-band rights that could be lit up with AST.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:42:39

    In Europe, Viasat and EchoStar each hold 15x15 MHz of 2 GHz S-band spectrum, both facing possible loss of their allocations in May 2027; one 10x10 MHz block is expected to go to the EU's homegrown IRIS solution, a second 10x10 MHz block is reportedly (per Bloomberg) well-positioned for Satellite Connect Europe (the AST/Vodafone JV with Telefónica, Orange, and eventually Deutsche Telekom), and a third, last 10x10 MHz block remains contested, which Anpanman speculates AST could pursue via its German re-flagging.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:42:39

    Anpanman estimates Viasat generates only around $60 million of revenue off its 15x15 MHz European S-band (used for airline broadband) and EchoStar around $20 million off its allocation via an IoT network, arguing this underutilization favors reallocation away from them.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:42:39

    AST received an FCC extension of its Special Temporary Authority to test Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum, reportedly granted this past week; Grain faces 'use it or lose it' FCC build-out deadlines tied to its acquisition of spectrum sold by T-Mobile, and must select a direct-to-device partner, with Anpanman guessing (uncertain of the exact date) that a decision will be known around November 5, 2026.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:42:39

    Abel Avellan met with FCC Chairman Brendan Carr this past week (Tuesday or Wednesday), commending Carr for pursuing additional unlicensed spectrum for direct-to-device use and advocating for AST to gain access to additional 1.6 GHz spectrum adjacent to its Ligado holdings, potentially via a future auction; the company is evaluating that spectrum with MNO partners.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:50:42

    B. Riley flags pricing pressure risk from Equitas, the Viasat/Space42 joint venture, which has discussed deploying as many as 2,800 satellites as soon as 2028; Anpanman is skeptical, noting Equitas has not built a satellite, has no confirmed launch vehicle, and would likely face CFIUS- or Team Telecom-style review to enter the US given Space42's UAE base.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:50:42

    Anpanman disputes B. Riley's suggestion that Iridium's roughly 8 MHz of L-band spectrum (shared, time-division duplexed) could be combined with Viasat's adjacent uplink spectrum (frequency-division duplexed) to create meaningful new shared capacity, calling the two systems technically incompatible without a lengthy global regulatory process to change Viasat's authorization, which would also risk interference with the band above it.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:59:40

    B. Riley cites Starlink V3/Gen 2 satellites as the biggest competitive benchmark; Anpanman agrees Starlink's technology will improve but argues distribution is the binding constraint, noting Starlink's fixed-wireless subscriber base is under 12 million against roughly 3 billion subscribers reachable through AST's MNO partners (out of five to six billion global MNO subscribers).

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:37:05

    B. Riley cut its 2027 revenue estimate from $623 million to $604 million and raised its 2027 capex estimate from $1.3 billion to $1.4 billion, underpinning the price-target cut from $85 to $65.

Live Q&A: Catalysts, Competitors, and Launch Speculation

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  • Anpanman Speculation 01:04:48

    On IoT revenue, Anpanman says Street analysts generally value ASTS based solely on consumer mobile handset subscriber uptake; government/defense revenue is treated by some as upside optionality and left out by others, while IoT revenue is essentially unmodeled.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:04:48

    Asked about the next big catalyst, Anpanman cites a T-Mobile deal, the Grain Management decision, and confirmation of a Golden Dome-related contract; he estimates ASTS would have been up 6-7% on the JV news alone if not for the same-day B. Riley downgrade, with the stock instead closing up only 2.3%.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:04:48

    Asked what price Abel Avellan would sell the company at, Anpanman says he doesn't believe Avellan is a near-term seller even at $200-400 per share, given the company is on the cusp of commercialization and the stock is undervalued relative to fundamentals.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:09:12

    On Iridium's FCC filing opposing AST, Anpanman frames it as 'lawfare' by CEO Matt Desch to slow down competitors (also used against SpaceX/EchoStar), after years of underinvestment via dividends and buybacks that led Iridium to agree to be acquired by Rocket Lab.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:09:12

    Anpanman notes an apparent reversal: SpaceX previously argued AST's large satellites pose excess orbital-debris risk due to their size, but he expects SpaceX to drop that argument now that its own new V3/AI-orbital-compute satellites are comparably large.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:13:18

    On New Glenn, Anpanman says AST has multiple launches booked plus options and is Blue Origin's 'marquee customer' outside Amazon, with Blue Origin owing AST a launch after the BlueBird 7 loss; AST will not fly on New Glenn again until Blue Origin completes additional successful commercial missions.

  • Anpanman Rumor 01:13:18

    Anpanman mentions a reported roughly $120 million price for a dedicated Starship launch purchased by a company he associates with StarCloud/Voyager, and says AST could eventually buy Starship capacity, which could pressure launch pricing if Starship approaches Elon Musk's stated goal of daily launches.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:13:18

    Asked whether AST would hold off on commercial agreements until the JV is approved, Anpanman says no, especially for T-Mobile, given competitive urgency from Starlink; he expects management to sign and execute agreements when it makes commercial sense rather than waiting or rushing.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:19:48

    On J-LEO, Anpanman says the award itself is 'pretty much granted,' with the key remaining catalyst being formal announcement of the joint venture structure with Rakuten.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:24:51

    On BlueBirds 14, 15 and 16, Anpanman says community due diligence indicates they arrived at Cape Canaveral the day before this episode and are being integrated onto a Falcon 9; he personally guesses (explicitly flagged as speculation) a launch around October 21-23, 2026, with a possible second batch launching around November 7-9, 2026.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 01:24:51

    Anpanman notes that an earlier rumor claiming BlueBird 11 was 'bricked' was wrong; even skeptic David Cook issued a correction, and the apparent anomaly was actually satellites being spaced out, bringing BlueBird 11 closer to BlueBird 12.

Watch Items5

  • DOJ antitrust review of the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture, possibly including a 'second request'

    Standard 30-day review, possibly extended to 5-9 months per AT&T CEO John Stankey Anpanman 00:28:20
  • Grain Management's decision on an 800 MHz direct-to-device partner (AST vs. another provider)

    Anpanman estimates around November 5, 2026, but is unsure of the exact date Anpanman 00:42:39
  • BlueBird 14, 15 and 16 launch on Falcon 9

    Anpanman's speculative guess: October 21-23, 2026, with a possible second batch around November 7-9, 2026 Anpanman 01:24:51
  • Formal announcement of the Rakuten J-LEO joint venture structure

    Not yet announced as of this episode; described as the key remaining catalyst Anpanman 01:19:48
  • Potential Golden Dome-related contract confirmation as a stock catalyst

    No specific date given Anpanman 01:04:48

Open Questions5

  • Will AST actually need to build toward 248-344 satellites and raise meaningfully more capex, as B. Riley suggests, or was this already priced into AST's known long-term plan?

    Anpanman 00:37:05
  • Will T-Mobile offer both AST and Starlink simultaneously for some period after AST launches service, to satisfy regulators' consumer-choice framing?

    Anpanman 00:10:35
  • Who will receive the EU's contested third 10x10 MHz S-band block in Europe — AST/Satellite Connect Europe, Viasat, or SpaceX?

    Anpanman 00:42:39
  • Will Grain Management select AST SpaceMobile as its 800 MHz direct-to-device partner?

    Anpanman 00:42:39
  • Will New Glenn achieve enough successful commercial missions for AST to feel comfortable resuming launches on it?

    Anpanman 01:13:18
2026-10-01 52:15

AST SpaceMobile BB14-16 Shipped, Bluebird 11 Unfolds

Anpanman

This AST SpaceMobile podcast episode is a solo update from Anpanman, the only host present, covering fresh satellite news and a lengthy defense of management against investor FUD.

Anpanman confirms BlueBirds 14, 15, and 16 have shipped and that Bluebird 11's phased array successfully unfolded, per Katzi around September 28. He notes AST has a perfect on-orbit record aside from the lost Bluebird 7, and argues the company is right to keep unfolding details proprietary.

He attributes recent stock swings to 30-year rates matching 2002 highs and war-driven macro pressure, not execution, pointing to Rocket Lab and Planet Labs moving in lockstep with ASTS. He covers Abel's FCC meeting with Chairman Carr on 6 GHz spectrum and a possible 1600 MHz auction, names a T-Mobile deal as the next big catalyst, and expects an October 21-23 Falcon 9 launch. He also explains the Block 2 composite-ring redesign and debunks critics Tim Farrar and Stuart 'Lucky Stewie' Taylor.

The headline takeaway: two pieces of real operational progress landed, but Anpanman insists near-term price action is being driven by macro rates and war, not AST's execution, and he urges investors to size positions conservatively and avoid options and margin.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile confirmed BlueBirds 14, 15, and 16 have shipped, after community due diligence first spotted them being packed up and transported earlier in the week.
  • Bluebird 11's phased array antenna successfully unfolded; community researcher Katzi says the unfold completed around September 28, and CEO Abel Avellan confirmed it via tweet that evening as part of the plan.
  • AST SpaceMobile has a perfect track record for every satellite that reached orbit; the only loss is Bluebird 7, which never reached a usable orbit after a New Glenn upper-stage anomaly.
  • Anpanman speculates the delayed shipment PR and the longer Bluebird 11 unfolding timeline reflect the company fixing issues found in testing rather than rushing satellites out under schedule pressure.
  • Anpanman attributes ASTS's recent stock volatility to macro factors — 30-year Treasury rates matching 2002 highs and war-related uncertainty — rather than company execution, noting Rocket Lab and Planet Labs trade in a similar daily pattern.
  • Abel Avellan met with FCC Chairman Brendan Carr to discuss using 6 GHz spectrum for direct-to-device service and a potential future auction of 1600 MHz spectrum that could complement AST's Ligado L-band holdings.
  • Anpanman identifies a definitive commercial agreement with T-Mobile as a major potential stock catalyst still ahead.
  • Anpanman expects the Falcon 9 launch carrying Bluebirds 14-16 as early as October 21-23, 2026, with late October as a possible fallback date.
  • Anpanman criticizes AST SpaceMobile shareholders who accused Abel Avellan, Katzi, and Cook of being liars, frauds, or pump-and-dumpers during a stock range-bound period since July, roughly between the low $50s and low $70s.
  • AST SpaceMobile redesigned Block 2 BlueBird satellites around a 'composite ring' launch vehicle adapter after new regulations required such adapters to deorbit quickly rather than float in orbit; early composite rings reportedly failed structural testing.
  • Anpanman says Block 2 BlueBirds are targeting up to 200 Mbps, versus roughly 140 Mbps he attributes to SpaceX's Starlink V2 direct-to-cell satellites.
  • Anpanman urges investors to size an ASTS position to what they can emotionally tolerate, suggesting 5-10% of a portfolio for a volatile name, and warns that options and margin trading have hurt some retail investors during the recent drawdown.
  • Anpanman disputes claims by critics Tim Farrar and Stuart 'Lucky Stewie' Taylor that Block 2 BlueBirds wouldn't fit in a standard Falcon 9 fairing and that Bluebird 11 was having problems, calling both claims debunked.
  • Anpanman recaps that AST's 2025 Ligado transaction helped re-rate Viasat's stock from roughly $8-10 to about $70, and that Viasat and Inmarsat later tried to exit the settlement they had agreed to.

Detailed Discussion8 topics

Bluebird 14-16 Shipment and Bluebird 11 Unfolding

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:58

    The company confirmed today that BlueBirds 14, 15, and 16 have shipped; community members had already shared due diligence on Monday showing the satellites being packed up and on the road.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:58

    Anpanman speculates the company delayed the shipment PR by a few days, possibly to edit video content for viewers, or for safety reasons — to avoid giving short sellers, competitors, or state actors exact timing information.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:33

    Per Katzi, Bluebird 11's phased array was fully unfolded around September 28; Abel confirmed via tweet that evening that the unfolding was successful and 'part of the plan.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:33

    Anpanman says the company learns from each unfolding: the first two Block 2 satellites unfolded the fastest ever, while Bluebird 11 took longer, though still within the roughly 50-day range of prior satellites.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:03:10

    Anpanman argues the company should keep unfolding process details proprietary, comparing it to Starlink not disclosing issues with its satellite versions, to avoid giving valuable information to competitors or state actors like China.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:05:44

    AST SpaceMobile has a perfect record for every satellite that reached orbit across BlueWalker 3, Block 1, and Block 2; the only loss is Bluebird 7, which did not reach a usable orbit.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:45

    Anpanman speculates the BB14-16 shipment delay reflects the company finding and fixing a flaw before shipping rather than rushing satellites out the door to hit a timeline.

Stock Price and Macro Drivers

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:16

    Anpanman attributes recent day-to-day stock swings to the 30-year Treasury rate matching its highest level since roughly 2002, plus the ongoing war, rather than company-specific news.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:16

    He notes Rocket Lab and Planet Labs trade in the same daily pattern as ASTS, and that space stocks broadly tracked the Russell 2000 intraday.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:13:35

    ASTS has been range-bound since July, roughly between the low $50s and low $70s.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:16

    Even with two pieces of good news today (the shipment and the unfolding), the stock was up a lot intraday before closing flat to down, which Anpanman attributes to the broader rate environment rather than manipulation.

Regulatory and Commercial Catalysts

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:08:11

    Abel Avellan met with FCC Chairman Brendan Carr to discuss 6 GHz unlicensed spectrum for direct-to-device use and a potential future auction of 1600 MHz spectrum that would fit well with AST's Ligado spectrum position.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:11

    Abel and Scott Wisniewski have reportedly been in Washington, D.C. for some time; Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth also spoke in the same timeframe, suggesting possible additional meetings still to be learned about.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:39

    Anpanman names a definitive commercial agreement with T-Mobile as a major catalyst still ahead that he expects would produce a big stock reaction even in a weak macro environment.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:12:03

    Anpanman expects the Falcon 9 launch carrying this batch of satellites as early as October 21-23, 2026, possibly slipping to the end of October; he pushes back on claims that satellites not yet appearing on SpaceX's manifest is bearish, noting satellites are shipped for processing before a manifest slot is confirmed.

Community FUD and Defense of Management

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  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:13:35

    Anpanman says some of the most aggressive FUD during the recent chop came from people claiming to be AST SpaceMobile shareholders, including accusations that Abel Avellan is a 'liar and fraud' and that he, Cook, and Katzi were 'pumping and dumping.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:35

    He defends Katzi and Cook as six-year AST holders who freely share due diligence without running subscription services, and discloses he personally was down about 85% at the 2024 lows.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:45

    Anpanman argues critics should simply sell if they truly believe management are frauds, rather than stay invested while attacking the team, recalling past calls in 2023-2024 for Abel to be fired.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:45

    He describes Abel as effectively living at the Midland facility, closely overseeing production to prevent mistakes, framing the company's philosophy as 'measure twice, cut once' rather than a fail-fast approach.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:17:45

    Anpanman notes that per the company's own August timeline slide, current production and shipping is running about a month behind schedule.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:45

    He contrasts AST's approach of fixing flaws even if it delays launches against the risk of shipping flawed satellites, noting a batch of three satellites on a Falcon 9 costs roughly $70-80 million.

Block 2 Engineering and Future Generations

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:24:08

    New regulations, effective roughly 2025-2026, barred launch vehicle adapters from remaining in orbit at these altitudes without deorbit propulsion, forcing AST to redesign Block 2 around a 'composite ring' that also serves as the satellite's structural body.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:24:08

    Anpanman says each composite ring must withstand force equivalent to supporting a Statue of Liberty or a fully loaded 737/747 since they stack and bear launch loads; he recalls the first composite rings failed structurally, possibly around January 2026 (uncertain on exact timing).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:24:08

    Block 2 satellites also added a tail section with additional solar power generation, with speculation about possible additional phased arrays on it.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:35

    Anpanman says Block 2 (current generation) is targeting up to 200 Mbps, versus roughly 140 Mbps he attributes to SpaceX's Starlink V2 direct-to-cell satellites; spectrum optimization could add 3x to 11x further improvement per prior company guidance.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:35

    AST is working in parallel on Block 3 mid-band BlueBirds, which Anpanman guesses (spitballing) could begin launching 'early next year,' with Block 4 and Block 5 already on the drawing board.

Position Sizing and Risk Management

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:56

    Anpanman advises sizing a volatile, high-upside stock like ASTS to what an investor can emotionally tolerate, suggesting 5-10% of a portfolio rather than larger allocations for most retail investors.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:56

    He discloses his own position is larger than typical due to capital-gains tax considerations and long-term conviction, but keeps options and leveraged ETF exposure to under 3% of his portfolio.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:56

    Anpanman says much of the recent investor frustration traces to people holding options or trading on margin, disclosing his own options expired worthless in August after a speculative bet.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:56

    He argues that even if Bluebird shipments and unfolding had happened faster, it would not have meaningfully changed stock performance during this macro-driven period, since ASTS has traded roughly in line with peers like Rocket Lab.

Critics: Viasat, Ligado, and Debunked Claims

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:41:06

    Anpanman recaps that AST's Ligado transaction, entered in January 2025, helped save Ligado from bankruptcy and re-rated Viasat's stock from roughly $8-10 to about $70, benefiting Viasat shareholders.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:06

    He says that after a mediated settlement in June 2025 among AST, Ligado, Viasat, and Inmarsat, Viasat and Inmarsat had 'seller's remorse' by August 2025 and tried to legally exit the agreement.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:06

    Anpanman says critic Stuart 'Lucky Stewie' Taylor, a self-described distressed Viasat investor, never tweeted about AST until shortly after Viasat/Inmarsat's attempt to exit the settlement, and has since focused heavily on attacking Katzi.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:41:06

    He disputes a claim by Taylor that he, Cook, and Katzi deleted tweets or spaces about the BB14-16 shipment, saying his original space discussing the shipment remains pinned on his profile.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:47:57

    Anpanman says Tim Farrar and Stuart Taylor previously claimed Block 2 BlueBirds would not fit inside a standard Falcon 9 fairing, a claim he says circulated to hedge funds via expert-network calls before being proven false.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:47:57

    He says the same pair spread claims that Bluebird 11 was experiencing problems and that AST wasn't informing partners, which he says have now been disproven by the confirmed successful unfolding.

Government Awards and Closing Thoughts

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:49:46

    Anpanman mentions an 'updated' MDA Shield IQ award with interesting implications that some Space Mob members are investigating, saying Scott Wisniewski is expected to disclose more soon.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:49:46

    He closes by reiterating caution around leverage: avoid margin, treat options as a drug that can be dangerous, and expect fundamentals to show through once rates stabilize.

Watch Items4

  • Falcon 9 launch of the BlueBird 14-16 batch

    As early as October 21-23, 2026, possibly slipping to the end of October Anpanman 00:12:03
  • Potential definitive commercial agreement with T-Mobile

    Not specified; framed as a major catalyst still ahead Anpanman 00:10:39
  • Further disclosure on the 'updated' MDA Shield IQ government award

    'Hopefully soon,' per Scott Wisniewski Anpanman 00:49:46
  • Possible FCC action on 6 GHz spectrum use and a 1600 MHz spectrum auction tied to Ligado

    Not specified, following Abel's meeting with FCC Chair Carr Anpanman 00:08:11

Open Questions4

  • Why did Bluebird 11 take longer to unfold than the first two Block 2 satellites — was it planned testing of different configurations, or a problem the team had to fix?

    Anpanman 00:01:33
  • What specifically caused the delay in confirming and shipping BlueBirds 14-16 — video editing/PR timing, security concerns, or a technical fix?

    Anpanman 00:00:58
  • What are the implications of the 'updated' MDA Shield IQ award that Space Mob members are investigating?

    Anpanman 00:49:46
  • Will the FCC's 6 GHz and 1600 MHz spectrum discussions with Abel lead to a concrete auction or allocation benefiting AST's Ligado position?

    Anpanman 00:08:11
2026-09-29 1:06:23

AST SpaceMobile 8-K: Change of Control Severance Explained

Anpanman

This is a solo AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode from Anpanman, recorded the night AST filed an 8-K adopting double-trigger change-of-control severance agreements for senior executives, including Abel Avellan and Scott Wisniewski.

Anpanman, drawing on his own M&A banking and hedge fund background, explains how these plans work and why he sees this filing as off-cycle rather than routine housekeeping. He cites Rocket Lab's acquisition of Iridium as a real precedent, where a similar severance plan preceded a deal announcement by four months.

He walks through who might be talking to AST about partnerships, joint ventures, or investment, naming T-Mobile, Deutsche Telekom, Google, Meta, Microsoft, Blue Origin, and Amazon. He stresses that Abel Avellan's high-vote shares make a near-term sale unlikely regardless of outside interest.

Anpanman's headline view is that a sale is not imminent, but the filing, the Ozzy Ramos hire, and industry consolidation make this worth watching closely. He also confirms BlueBird 14, 15, and 16 are now shipping to Florida, with launches expected in October and November.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile filed an 8-K after market close on September 29, 2026 adopting double-trigger change-of-control severance agreements for senior executives, including CEO Abel Avellan, President Scott Wisniewski, EVPs, and SVPs.
  • The double-trigger structure pays out only if both a change of control (a takeover of at least 50% of company ownership) and a termination without cause occur, entitling covered executives to roughly 18-24 months of salary and healthcare benefits plus accelerated vesting of unvested equity.
  • Anpanman, a former M&A banker and event-driven hedge fund investor, says filings like this have historically been a useful, though not certain, signal that a company may be in active M&A or strategic partnership discussions.
  • Anpanman's own analysis concluded this filing looks off-cycle rather than routine annual housekeeping, noting that not all AST executives previously had standardized severance terms and that Abel Avellan had none in place before.
  • Anpanman cites Rocket Lab's acquisition of Iridium as a real-world template: Rocket Lab proposed a deal on January 8th, signed an NDA on February 6th, Iridium's comp committee adopted an enhanced double-trigger severance plan on February 26th, and the deal was announced four months later on June 30th.
  • Anpanman believes the probability that Abel Avellan sells AST SpaceMobile in the near term is very low, because he views the company as still early in executing on a large opportunity.
  • Abel Avellan's Class C high-vote shares give him effective voting control of AST SpaceMobile, meaning no acquisition or activist campaign can succeed without his consent, a structure put in place at the 2021 SPAC merger.
  • Anpanman speculates AST could be in various strategic discussions -- joint ventures, strategic investments, or partnerships -- with parties including T-Mobile, Deutsche Telekom, Google, Meta, Microsoft, Blue Origin, and Amazon, though none of this is confirmed.
  • Anpanman flags the recent hire of Ozzy Ramos, a former UBS and Barclays vice chairman with deep telecom and space relationships including work on Viasat's acquisition of Inmarsat, as another data point suggesting heightened strategic activity.
  • AST SpaceMobile director Adriana Cisneros bought ASTS shares on the open market on August 31, 2026, which Anpanman says suggests nothing material enough to restrict trading was occurring as of that date.
  • Anpanman estimates AST's enterprise value at about $25 billion, with its Ligado spectrum potentially worth $15-20 billion once deployed, implying the rest of the business (defense contracts, MNO relationships, patents, satellites) is valued at roughly $5 billion.
  • Using Globalstar, Iridium, and Viasat as comps for spectrum-driven re-ratings, Anpanman argues any AST buyout would need to come at a large premium to the roughly $61 stock price discussed on the call, and that Abel would likely want the stock trading much higher first.
  • BlueBird satellites 14, 15, and 16 hit a testing issue that required fixing and retesting, delaying shipment, but Anpanman says they are now being shipped to Florida ahead of expected launches.
  • Anpanman says AST is roughly a month behind its most recently updated production and launch schedule, though about six months behind an older schedule, partly cushioned because Blue Origin's launch pad explosion removed near-term pressure to hit a 6-satellites-per-month cadence.
  • Anpanman views a T-Mobile commercial agreement as the catalyst most likely to produce a near-term step-change in AST's stock price, since it would give AST access to all major US carriers.
  • Anpanman does not believe AST intends to acquire a launch company outright, viewing prior 'vertical integration' language from a capital raise as more likely referring to smaller tuck-in acquisitions such as composites or semiconductor capability.

Detailed Discussion8 topics

The 8-K: How Change-of-Control Severance Works

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:59

    AST SpaceMobile filed an 8-K after the close setting up a change-in-control severance agreement covering senior executives -- Abel, Scott, EVPs, SVPs, and other senior employees.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:07

    The plan is a 'double trigger': one trigger is a change of control, meaning a takeover of at least 50% ownership of the company (typically a full takeout); the other trigger is termination without cause. If both occur, the executive gets a multiple of salary plus healthcare benefits -- roughly 18 months or potentially 24 months depending on the individual -- and unvested stock vests and accelerates.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:02:31

    Companies typically put these plans in place to incentivize employees to stick around during an M&A process and afterward, since uncertainty can otherwise cause people to leave; the acquirer is effectively buying the people, not just the assets.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:59

    These plans don't have to be M&A-specific; boards may also adopt them when the company is engaged in strategic-partner discussions for joint ventures or strategic investment, to keep executives indifferent to whether talks end in a partnership or a sale.

Why Anpanman Thinks This Filing Is Off-Cycle

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:15

    From his hedge fund event-driven investing background, Anpanman says 8-K filings with double-trigger change-in-control provisions were, in his experience, a higher-than-average signal (not a guaranteed one) that a company would later be found in a sale process or announce a deal, sometimes weeks or months afterward; dedicated event-driven research firms track exactly this kind of filing.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:14:42

    Some AST executives individually already had severance agreements, but they were not standardized in structure across the C-level and upper/mid-level management, and Abel did not have one in place before this filing.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:29

    Anpanman ran an AI-assisted analysis of AST's prior cycle of similar filings and concluded today's action is off-cycle -- it doesn't line up with the normal timing when such incentive packages would typically go up for board approval -- which he says is peculiar even though it doesn't definitively prove something strategic is happening.

Abel Avellan's Control and Sale Likelihood

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:48

    Anpanman puts the probability of Abel selling the company as very low right now, believing AST is at an early stage of executing a large opportunity; he'd view it as more plausible later, once several satellite shells are deployed and the subscriber base is much larger.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:48

    Abel's high-vote Class C stock gives him effective voting control, so even if a party like Google offered '$300' for the company, Abel could reject it unilaterally and there would be nothing shareholders or activists could do about it.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:06:48

    When AST went public via SPAC merger in 2021, the high-vote share structure was put in place specifically as a protection because there was inbound acquisition interest while the company was still private, intended to give AST latitude to execute its mission even during rough stretches (2022-2024) without a shareholder activist forcing a sale, and to keep outside interlopers from accumulating a stake and running a proxy fight.

The Iridium / Rocket Lab Precedent

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:17:17

    Anpanman lays out the Rocket Lab-Iridium acquisition timeline as a direct industry precedent for reading this kind of filing: Rocket Lab put forward a proposal to acquire Iridium on January 8th, circled back on January 27th, and the parties signed an NDA to begin real due diligence on February 6th.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:17:17

    On February 26th, once discussions were deemed serious, Iridium's compensation committee adopted a new executive severance plan enhancing benefits with double-trigger payouts; the deal itself was announced four months later, on June 30th. Iridium explicitly said the plan was meant to keep executives focused on a potential business combination rather than their own financial security -- language Anpanman says echoes AST's own filing today.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:17:17

    Anpanman frames the current wave of consolidation in the sector -- SpaceX acquiring EchoStar, Amazon acquiring Globalstar, and Rocket Lab acquiring Iridium -- as the backdrop that likely informed AST's board putting this plan in place.

Signals: Ozzy Ramos Hire and Adriana Cisneros Share Purchase

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:12:20

    Ozzy Ramos, formerly vice chair of investment banking at Barclays and then UBS covering the TMT sector, was hired by AST in early August; he worked on Viasat's acquisition of Inmarsat and has deep relationships across both the telecom and space sectors, and may have overlapped with Scott Wisniewski during his time at Barclays.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:14:42

    AST director Adriana Cisneros bought ASTS shares on the open market on August 31st, which Anpanman says indicates that whatever discussions may have been occurring were not material enough to restrict her from trading -- though something could still develop over the following months.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:14:42

    Anpanman sequences it as: Ozzy Ramos hired in early August, Adriana Cisneros buys shares a month later, and roughly two months after the hire the change-of-control severance plan is adopted -- a pattern he finds noteworthy even though he can't say it proves an imminent deal.

Speculation on Potential Strategic Partners and Acquirers

6
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:36

    Anpanman says AST is having strategic discussions with MNOs including T-Mobile and Deutsche Telekom -- additions that would be game-changing, giving AST 100% of the US market via T-Mobile and locking up Europe's big four carriers via Deutsche Telekom, on top of existing AT&T and Verizon relationships.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:36

    He raises open questions about the structure of a possible US joint venture among AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile -- whether spectrum rights or infrastructure get contributed, whether AST's future grain management spectrum could be folded in, and whether the JV would separately capitalize or invest in AST -- saying these details should become clearer in the coming months, possibly before year-end, given that MNOs are said to be moving faster due to competitive pressure from SpaceX.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:32

    He argues SpaceX and Tesla's vertical integration threatens essentially every other player, and predicts Blue Origin and Amazon will eventually combine (similar to SpaceX/X) since AI data centers in space and direct-to-device capability via Amazon's Globalstar spectrum would create obvious synergies with AST's large satellites; he notes AST is one of Blue Origin's biggest launch customers.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:59

    For Google, he cites its Android OS/MNO relationships, an Eric Schmidt connection to Relativity Space's upcoming first launch, and Google's existing work with Planet Labs as reasons a deal or deep partnership with AST could make strategic sense.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:59

    For Meta, he points to Mark Zuckerberg's long-standing goal of connecting the unconnected (correcting himself that the high-altitude-glider project was Meta's, not Google's Project Loon balloons) and Meta's Muse AI assistant and device ambitions as strategic rationale; he notes Kook has tweeted this would be his own bet for a partner.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:28:59

    For Microsoft, he cites unconfirmed talk of a meeting last year and, per an unsolicited tip he received during the space tonight, possible recent discussions at the Abel-Satya level; he also notes Microsoft had previously worked with OmniSpace on combining satellite D2D with Azure's ground/5G-core infrastructure, and sees an edge-computing/IoT rationale for a deal.

Q&A: Reverse Merger, Options Flow, Sovereignty, and Valuation

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:40:27

    Asked about a possible Blue Origin reverse merger, Anpanman says he 'would not rule it out': Blue Origin could either raise cash to acquire AST while staying private, or do a stock-for-stock deal with Blue Origin as the surviving entity, which would take Blue Origin public overnight.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:42:36

    Citing a Whale's Flow Radar post, Anpanman describes unusual call-option buying: roughly $2.4 million on September 25th-expiry $65 calls, $4.5 million on October 16th-expiry in-the-money $40 calls plus $2.4 million on $65 calls of the same expiry, a March 27th $90 call, a December 27th $170 call, a January 28th LEAPS $185 strike, and a December 28th $105 strike -- he says someone is 'taking swings' but cautions this could also be protective buying by a short seller.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:50:00

    On whether a Meta acquisition would raise data-sovereignty concerns (Europe, Japan, Saudi Arabia, India, African markets, defense customers), Anpanman says AST's existing joint-venture structure -- where the local country/JV retains a kill switch, control and operations centers, and constellation ownership in its region, with the acquirer only leasing capacity elsewhere -- could still address the issue, even if less cleanly than today.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:50:00

    Asked whether a merger structure could still leave Abel effectively in control, Anpanman says only if it's a strategic investment where AST stays public; in an outright acquisition, a buyer would need to structure something to satisfy Abel. He also argues an MNO like AT&T or American Tower likely couldn't acquire AST outright, since it would break AST's neutrality with the other carriers -- though the growing Starlink threat could change that calculus.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:53:07

    On a possible takeout price, Anpanman estimates AST's market cap at about $23 billion and enterprise value at about $25 billion; he ballparks the Ligado spectrum as worth roughly $15-20 billion once deployed and unencumbered, implying the rest of the business (defense, MNO relationships, ~3,900 patents, and satellites already on orbit) is being valued at only about $5 billion today.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:53:07

    He cites sector comps for spectrum-driven re-ratings: Globalstar traded around $15-20 before being acquired by Amazon for roughly 4x that (low $80s); Iridium traded around $15-20 in 2025 before Rocket Lab paid 'over $50'; Viasat traded at $8-10 before the AST-Ligado deal, later rising as high as the $90s and now around $75.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:53:07

    With the stock at about $61, Anpanman says he isn't expecting anyone to pay $200 today, but suggests AST/Abel could entertain a sale once production is humming, a few launches have succeeded, and the path to commercial service is clear -- he floats the stock needing to reach roughly $100-125 first, plus a large premium, and separately suggests Abel would want something 'well north of' a much higher figure before selling (exact figure unclear in the recording).

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:58:06

    Asked about other reasons for this type of executive protection beyond an outright sale, Anpanman says it also covers periods of active strategic discussions (JVs, investments) so that executives who are fielding meetings with companies like Google, Meta, or Microsoft stay indifferent to the outcome and aren't tempted to leave out of uncertainty.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:58:06

    Asked whether recent capital-raise language about vertical integration of launch capability points toward a Blue Origin reverse merger, Anpanman says he followed up with the company and doesn't believe AST wants to acquire a launch company; he thinks any such M&A would more likely be small tuck-ins (e.g., semiconductor, solar, or composites capability) rather than buying launch capability outright.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:44:08

    Asked whether hedge funds factor filings like this into short decisions, Anpanman -- drawing on his own experience shorting stocks -- says yes: a company being acquired at a large premium is a major risk to a short position, though a fund with only a small position size (e.g., part of a basket) may not adjust much.

Satellite Production and Launch Update

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:44:08

    BlueBirds 14, 15, and 16 hit an issue during testing; the company fixed it and retested, which took additional time, and the timeline also shifted around the October 1st crewed Falcon 9/Dragon mission. Per Space Mob due diligence, Anpanman says 14, 15, and 16 are now in process and being shipped.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:44:08

    Anpanman says AST is roughly a month behind its most recently updated production/launch schedule, though roughly six months behind an older schedule; he notes Blue Origin's launch pad explosion means AST didn't actually need to hit 6 satellites/month by now, since it doesn't currently have Blue Origin capacity to fill, calling this an unintended silver lining.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:00:08

    He says he expects to see a launch in October and possibly two launches in November, though he frames this as uncertain ('who knows').

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:00:08

    Referencing a satellite referred to in the recording as 'Blue Origin 11' (likely BlueBird 11), Anpanman says it now looks like its antenna has unfolded, but says he isn't sure whether an earlier delay reflected a controlled testing process to gather additional data or an actual issue that needed to be worked through.

Watch Items3

  • Potential T-Mobile commercial agreement/joint-venture participation

    Anpanman expects clarity in the next few months, possibly before year-end 2026 Anpanman 00:23:36
  • BlueBird 14, 15, and 16 shipment and launch

    Currently being shipped to Florida as of the recording Anpanman 00:44:08
  • Next BlueBird satellite launches

    One launch expected in October 2026, possibly two launches in November 2026 Anpanman 01:00:08

Open Questions5

  • Is the September 29, 2026 change-of-control severance 8-K a sign of active M&A or strategic-partnership discussions, or is it ultimately routine corporate governance housekeeping?

    Anpanman 00:10:29
  • Who is behind the large recent call-option purchases in ASTS flagged by Whale's Flow Radar, and what does it signal about expectations for the stock?

    Anpanman 00:42:36
  • Will AST sign a definitive agreement with T-Mobile, and how would that fit alongside AST's separate agreements with AT&T and Verizon and any new US MNO joint venture?

    Anpanman 00:23:36
  • Was the earlier delay in BlueBird 11's antenna deployment part of a controlled testing process or an actual technical issue?

    Anpanman 01:00:08
  • What structure would a US MNO joint venture with AT&T, Verizon, and possibly T-Mobile take, and would it involve contributed spectrum, capitalization, or a strategic investment in AST itself?

    Anpanman 00:23:36
2026-09-28 28:00

The Space Industry's Next Mag-7 Moment

Kook

This is a solo episode of the AST SpaceMobile Podcast featuring only Kook, back from time off, digging into fresh TLE tracking data on BlueBird 11's antenna deployment.

Kook says BB11 most likely hit deployment difficulty rather than disaster, comparing it to BlueWalker 3's 2021 stuck-bolt issue that was fixed with new software. He lays out three outcomes: a full unfurl, a stuck array performing at roughly Block 1 power, or a costly deorbit around $25-30 million.

Kook's own brokerage data showed ASTS short-seller utilization hit 100% on Friday, versus his typical 60-70%. He cites collapsing implied volatility and fading Reddit posting activity as signs of investor complacency that often precede a momentum shift.

He ties AT&T's growing direct-to-cell advertising and AI tools like Meta's Muse to a bigger thesis: satellite bandwidth easily handles lightweight AI traffic. Kook's headline conclusion is that the space industry, led by AST SpaceMobile and Blue Origin, is becoming the next Mag-7.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook believes BlueBird 11 likely experienced deployment 'difficulty' rather than disaster while unfurling its antenna array, drawing a comparison to BlueWalker 3's 2021 stuck-bolt issue, which was later fixed via new software and thermal cycling.
  • Kook outlines three possible outcomes for BlueBird 11: a full successful unfurl, a stuck partial deployment performing at roughly Block 1 satellite power, or a total failure requiring deorbit, an estimated $25-30 million loss against AST's roughly $25 billion market cap.
  • Kook's own brokerage stock-loan data showed ASTS short interest hit 100% utilization on Friday, up from his typically observed 60-70% range, which he interprets as shorts being maxed out.
  • Kook cites collapsing implied volatility in ASTS options and declining Reddit posting activity as signs of investor complacency, noting neither predicts direction but both are useful sentiment gauges.
  • Kook expects the Falcon 9 launch queue, backed up by SpaceX's crewed Crew Dragon missions, to clear soon, allowing AST's next satellite batch to move toward the payload processing facility.
  • AT&T is increasing its direct-to-cell advertising, and an unnamed phone-company executive, relayed secondhand via community member 'Only Six Inches,' reportedly called satellite connectivity the biggest carrier development since texting, tied to ARPU growth potential.
  • Kook argues AI voice-assistant traffic, estimated at 30-150 kbps or 20-120 MB per hour, is roughly 20-100 times lighter than video streaming's ~3 GB per hour, meaning satellite bandwidth like AST's should handle AI use cases easily.
  • Kook speculates that large AI-focused companies such as Meta may eventually bypass mobile network operators and terrestrial 5G entirely, connecting AI devices directly via satellite rather than relying on slower telecom partners.
  • Kook frames the broader space industry, including Blue Origin (valued around $130 billion) and AST SpaceMobile, as becoming 'the next Mag-7,' drawing a historical parallel to shipping magnate Aristotle Onassis.
  • Kook criticized competitor Equitus for announcing plans to have direct-to-cell satellites in orbit by 2028, noting the company has not built, funded, secured regulatory approval for, or arranged launch for any such satellites.

Detailed Discussion5 topics

BlueBird 11 Deployment Status

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  • Kook Untagged 00:01:00

    Kook checked fresh TLE (orbital tracking) data on BlueBird 11 immediately upon returning from time off, working to avoid jumping to conclusions.

  • Kook Speculation 00:01:00

    Kook's most likely explanation for BB11's status is that AST had 'some difficulty' deploying the satellite's array, but stresses 'difficulty doesn't mean disaster.'

  • Kook Confirmed 00:03:01

    Kook recaps BlueWalker 3's 2021 deployment issue: a bolt reportedly failed to fire, leaving BW3 spinning uncontrolled in orbit; the problem was resolved via new software rather than a hardware fix, and BW3 was later successfully deployed.

  • Kook Speculation 00:01:00

    Community member Katzy has offered competing theories involving satellite station-keeping tests and satellite spacing that could also explain the unusual TLE data.

  • Kook Speculation 00:04:39

    Kook lays out three scenarios for BB11: (1) full successful unfurl; (2) the satellite is stuck partially deployed, functioning at roughly Block 1 satellite power, potentially fixable via techniques like shaking the satellite or running it through thermal cycles; (3) the satellite is 'busted' and must be deorbited, an estimated $25-30 million loss against AST's roughly $25 billion company value.

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:00

    Kook says the TLE data's B-star curvature 'looks suspicious' in a way consistent with successful deployment, but cautions he isn't certain and plans further analysis suggested by Katzy.

Launch Manifest and Stock Market Dynamics

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  • Kook Speculation 00:05:52

    Kook expects AST's next satellite batch to ship 'now or Monday,' contingent on the Falcon 9 launch queue clearing behind SpaceX's crewed Crew Dragon missions, which take priority at Cape Canaveral.

  • Kook Untagged 00:06:54

    Kook's own brokerage stock-loan data showed ASTS short interest hit 100% utilization on Friday, versus his typically observed range of 60-70%.

  • Kook Speculation 00:06:54

    Kook says maxed-out short utilization often precedes a momentum shift once the 'traffic jam' -- both the Falcon 9 backlog and stock complacency -- clears.

  • Kook Speculation 00:07:33

    Kook cites falling Reddit posting activity and collapsing implied volatility in ASTS options as signs of market complacency, noting neither predicts direction but both are useful sentiment gauges he tracks alongside community member Katzy.

  • Kook Untagged 00:07:33

    Kook warns that selling short calls into a stock with collapsing implied volatility can backfire badly if volatility later expands, since option sellers are short 'vega' and can see option prices inflate even without a large stock move.

AT&T's Direct-to-Cell Push and Carrier Economics

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  • Kook Untagged 00:10:11

    Kook observes AT&T ramping up direct-to-cell/satellite connectivity advertising.

  • Kook Untagged 00:10:11

    Kook recounts a personal anecdote about a camping acquaintance who pays for a Starlink terminal mounted on his truck due to poor Verizon service, illustrating consumer demand for always-on connectivity.

  • Kook Rumor 00:11:25

    Via community member 'Only Six Inches,' Kook relays an unnamed phone-company executive's comment from an expert-network call describing satellite connectivity as the best thing to happen to carriers in '20 to 25 years, since texting came out,' expected to drive ARPU growth.

AI and Satellite Connectivity Convergence

4
  • Kook Untagged 00:12:18

    Kook describes his experience with Meta's new Muse app, saying it's designed to capture transactional flow (e.g., booking travel) without usage limits, unlike token-metered AI tools like Claude.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:39

    Kook speculates that Mag-7-scale companies could eventually bypass mobile network operators and terrestrial 5G networks entirely, connecting AI devices directly via satellite, given big tech's preference to vertically integrate rather than rely on slower partners.

  • Kook Rumor 00:17:06

    Kook relays a friend's frustration running an MVNO, describing the underlying host telecom partner as slow, overly conservative, and unable to hire strong talent, taking months even for mutually agreed changes.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:39

    Using the AI tool Grok, Kook estimates AI voice-assistant traffic runs about 30-150 kilobits per second (20-120 MB per hour), versus roughly 3 GB per hour for video streaming, concluding satellite bandwidth like ASTS should handle AI use cases easily -- a hypothesis he flags as unverified but potentially significant for AST's total addressable market.

Space Industry Outlook

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:19:29

    Kook notes Canada is looking to diversify away from reliance on SpaceX.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:34

    Kook argues the space industry, including Blue Origin (recently raising money at a roughly $130 billion valuation) and AST SpaceMobile, is becoming 'the next Mag-7,' drawing a historical parallel to 20th-century shipping magnate Aristotle Onassis.

  • Kook Speculation 00:23:56

    Kook criticizes competitor Equitus for announcing plans to have direct-to-cell satellites in orbit by 2028, noting the company has not built, funded, obtained regulatory approval for, secured customers for, or arranged launch for any such satellites.

Watch Items2

  • Next AST SpaceMobile satellite batch shipment to the payload processing facility

    shipping now or Monday, pending the Falcon 9 launch queue clearing behind Crew Dragon crewed-mission traffic Kook 00:05:52
  • Further TLE data analysis to resolve BlueBird 11's deployment status

    ongoing, into next week Kook 00:26:00

Open Questions3

  • Did BlueBird 11 successfully unfurl its antenna array, get stuck mid-deployment, or fail and require deorbiting?

    Kook 00:04:39
  • Will AI voice/assistant traffic prove light enough in practice to validate satellite bandwidth as a viable connectivity layer for AI devices, expanding AST's addressable market?

    Kook 00:14:39
  • Does fellow community analyst Tanner agree with a full-unfurl reading of the BlueBird 11 TLE data?

    Kook 00:26:00
2026-09-27 57:51

The Setup Before AST SpaceMobile's Next Big Rerating

Anpanman

This solo AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode features Anpanman, who lays out a thesis for why ASTS could see a violent rerating soon.

He points to implied volatility near all-time lows, short interest at record highs (65-94 million shares depending on the data source), and sentiment near all-time lows as a washed-out setup. Anpanman argues this combination, paired with looming catalysts like a T-Mobile deal, Deutsche Telekom, the US telco JV, Golden Dome, and Grain's 800 MHz spectrum decision, mirrors the conditions before the stock's 2024 run from $2 to $39.

He also addresses Bluebird 11 deployment questions, the upcoming batch 3 and batch 4 satellite shipments, Blue Origin's New Glenn tower-stacking progress toward a possible December static fire, and gives a lengthy warning against overusing options and leveraged ETFs like ASTX given AST's history of delays.

His headline conclusion is that production and launch cadence, plus a potential T-Mobile agreement, are the catalysts most likely to reprice the stock, and that patience through the current range-bound chop near $62 is warranted.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman argues ASTS implied volatility is near an all-time low (around 70%), short interest is at an all-time high (Bloomberg reported roughly 65 million shares; real-time data provider Market showed roughly 94 million shares), and investor sentiment is near all-time lows, a combination he believes sets up conditions for a sharp stock rerating.
  • Anpanman compares the current setup to late 2024, when ASTS ran from about $2 to $39 in roughly two months after AT&T's definitive agreement and Verizon's strategic investment.
  • He believes a definitive commercial agreement with T-Mobile would be an even bigger catalyst than the earlier Verizon deal because it would give AST access to 100% of the US wireless market and directly challenge Starlink's largest carrier partner.
  • Anpanman states that, according to community trackers Katzi and Toad, Bluebird 11 appears to have successfully deployed despite some speculation about difficulties, and that losing a single satellite (as happened with Bluebird 7) is not a material risk to the company at this stage of production.
  • AST is currently working through roughly 48 satellites in its production queue, with about 17 to 20 in parallel production at later stages, according to Anpanman.
  • Anpanman discloses AST has reached a Micron (subcomponent) production cadence of about 10 satellites per month but has not yet reached its target of 6 fully assembled satellite buses per month.
  • Anpanman warns that options and leveraged ETFs like ASTX are dangerous for a stock as volatile and delay-prone as ASTS, and says he personally caps options exposure at 1-3% of his portfolio and mentally treats any options position as a total loss from the moment he buys it.
  • He confirms AST SpaceMobile is working with Meta to optimize its applications (similar to what Meta did with Starlink's Direct-to-Cell) but says Meta is not a likely acquirer of AST; he views Google as the most logical eventual strategic acquirer given its Android/MNO relationships, though he does not think CEO Abel Avellan is looking to sell the company.
  • Anpanman guesses AST will not hit its beta service target of 25 satellites by year-end 2025 but could reach the roughly 20 satellites needed to start beta service; he thinks commercial service realistically begins around mid-2027 at the earliest.
  • The stock has been range-bound between roughly $55 and $70 since the end of June 2026 and was trading around $62 at the time of this recording.

Detailed Discussion11 topics

The setup: low volatility, high short interest, low sentiment

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:38

    Implied volatility on ASTS options has struck or matched its near all-time low from 2023, at around 70% — very low for a high-risk, high-growth company like AST, even though 70% would be extremely high implied volatility for a blue-chip S&P company.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:02:56

    Short interest is at an all-time high: Bloomberg reported it around 65 million shares, while real-time data provider Market showed a higher figure of roughly 94 million shares (the difference reflects stock-loan requests versus actual shares shorted); some of this includes convertible-arbitrage hedges against AST's bonds.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:03:51

    Sentiment among retail investors on Reddit and X is near an all-time low, though not as bad as when the stock traded around $2; a number of long-term holders have grown frustrated with what they perceive as reduced company communication after a highly communicative July and August.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:03:51

    Anpanman argues it's unreasonable to expect constant company updates, noting that before social media, investors typically only got updates via quarterly earnings, material PRs, or direct calls to IR; AST tends to only communicate when there's something concrete to share, reflecting an engineering-driven culture.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:10

    He pushes back on accusations that management is 'lying' or 'fraudulent' when timelines slip, comparing it to Tesla's 'Production Hell,' which lasted over 12 months without the company intending to deceive anyone — difficult engineering goals simply take longer than planned.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:38

    He argues that if near-term uncertainties — Bluebird 11 deployment, batch 3 and batch 4 shipment, and launch — resolve positively in a short window, the combination of washed-out sentiment, low implied volatility, and high short interest could trigger a rapid rerating in the stock price.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:02

    He cautions against comparing ASTS's stock performance to other space stocks like Rocket Lab just because they trade with some sector correlation, noting each company is executing its own distinct plan and psychological pressure to 'keep up' with other tickers is misplaced.

Lessons from the 2024 AT&T/Verizon rerating

2
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:11:37

    Anpanman recalls feeling significant regret in early 2024 as the stock continued grinding lower despite the January 2024 AT&T, Vodafone, and Google strategic investment, second-guessing his decision to stay invested rather than hold the S&P or other rebounding stocks.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:11:37

    He notes the stock went from about $2 to $39 in roughly two months after AST signed its definitive commercial agreement with AT&T at the end of May 2024, followed within a week or two by Verizon's strategic investment — illustrating how violently the stock can rerate once a major catalyst lands.

Upcoming catalysts: Golden Dome, Grain 800 MHz, US telco JV, T-Mobile, Deutsche Telekom, JLEO

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:12:31

    He expects more details on Golden Dome to emerge soon, and expects the 800 MHz Grain spectrum selection decision (7 MHz by 7 MHz uplink and downlink, 14 MHz total nationwide) by early November, though he guesses the market will hear about it sooner than that.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:06

    He guesses the US telco joint venture (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile) will be formally inked before the end of 2026, given competitive pressure from Starlink, though it could take longer; he says AST is in active discussions with T-Mobile in addition to its existing AT&T and Verizon relationships.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:13:06

    He notes Deutsche Telekom, the parent company of T-Mobile, is already testing with AST, and argues that once Deutsche Telekom formally joins alongside Vodafone, Orange, and Telefónica, AST will have effectively locked up the top mobile operators across Europe.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:35

    He mentions the JLEO joint venture with Rakuten in Japan is still in discussions and has not been formalized, but could be announced any day.

Bluebird 11 deployment and satellite-loss risk

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:09

    Despite some speculation of trouble with Bluebird 11's deployment, community trackers Katzi and Toad indicate the satellite appears to have successfully deployed, with more information expected in the coming days.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:15:09

    He notes AST is now on its 5th or 6th satellite design generation, and that deployment nuances (like using thrusters or raising the satellite) may reflect intentional process learnings rather than problems.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:19

    He argues losing even Bluebird 11 would not be an 'extinction-level' event for the company, unlike a hypothetical BlueWalker 3 failure in 2022 would have been when AST had limited capital, resources and time; losing one of the five Block 1 satellites would have been bad but survivable, and now with roughly 48 satellites in the production pipeline, losing one is immaterial.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:17:19

    He recalls that AST previously lost Bluebird 7 after Blue Origin's New Glenn second stage failed to refire, leaving the satellite in an unusable elliptical orbit that had to be deorbited — yet the stock still recovered to new all-time highs afterward.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:48:15

    AST is currently working on roughly 48 satellites, with an estimated 17 to 20 in parallel production at later stages; he says the company has all the materials needed for the constellation build.

Blue Origin New Glenn update

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:07

    Over the weekend before this recording, Blue Origin appeared to be stacking a new tower, suggesting the company's year-end launch target may actually be achievable; Anpanman had previously expected further delay given typical space-industry slippage.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:20:07

    There are rumblings that Blue Origin ('Never Tell Me the Odds') could return to the pad for a static fire test as early as the first half of December.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:48:15

    He explains Blue Origin has used the post-pad-explosion downtime to build additional first- and second-stage boosters, so once the first couple of commercial launches succeed, launch cadence should scale quickly from 4 Bluebirds per launch toward 6 and then 8.

Options and leveraged ETF risk warning

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:19

    He warns that options in a high-beta, delay-prone stock like ASTS are generally a losing game over time for long options holders (calls or puts), comparable to a casino, because you must get both the catalyst timing and the stock price reaction right.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:21:19

    He personally never allocates more than about 1-3% of his portfolio to options, and mentally assumes any options position will go to zero the moment he buys it, which he says makes losses easier to stomach.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:21:19

    He describes seeing investors who scaled options positions up to 80-100% of their portfolios after a big win, then blew up their accounts during the recent drawdown, leading to public frustration directed at management.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:19

    He argues leveraged ETFs like ASTX are dangerous specifically during choppy, range-bound periods (as opposed to strong unilateral trends), because compounding decay erodes value over time; he says such products should never be a core holding.

Reflecting on the drawdown and personal positioning

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:33:49

    The stock has been range-bound roughly between $55 and $70 since the end of June 2026, trading around $62 at the time of this recording, and has been essentially flat for about three months.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:33:49

    He says he's been adding to his AST common stock position and recently bought a small amount of upside calls (a tiny position relative to his portfolio); AST remains his largest single holding even though a separate position, USDE (Stablecoin X-related), has grown to roughly a third of his portfolio.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:33:49

    He draws a parallel to the stock's move from about $20 to $55 in roughly 1.5-2 weeks around June 2024 (following a period of investor frustration at $17-18), followed by a further run to about $100, arguing the current range-bound period could similarly precede a sharp rerating.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:33:49

    He notes a Berenberg research analyst who published bullish coverage of AST received calls only from short-selling hedge funds unhappy with the positive research, and observes that few sell-side analysts follow the company as closely.

Q&A: beta service target and stock price outlook

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:18

    Asked whether AST will meet its beta service target of 25 satellites by end of year, Anpanman guesses probably not, though he thinks beta service could start with as few as 20 satellites; he cares more about production and launch cadence (e.g., batch 3 and batch 4 shipping within 1-3 weeks of each other) than the exact date.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:18

    He says once production and launch cadence become visible on the path to 45 satellites and beyond, he expects the stock to 'really work,' with T-Mobile as potentially the single biggest catalyst — bigger than Verizon's 2024 investment — because it would lock up the entire US market; he speculates the stock 'could double' on a T-Mobile announcement, though he's not certain.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:18

    He notes Starlink's Direct-to-Cell service would not exist without T-Mobile providing its 1900 MHz spectrum for development and testing, underscoring why a T-Mobile deal with AST would be strategically significant.

Q&A: commercial service timeline and launch cadence

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:48:15

    A listener modeled AST launching once every 1-2 months across 10 booked launches (8 Falcon 9, 2 New Glenn), which would not reach 45 satellites until early 2028; Anpanman responds that he expects commercial service around mid-2027 at the earliest given likely delays.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:48:15

    He argues the exact commercial service date (mid-2027 versus late 2028) won't matter much once a steady launch cadence is visible, drawing a parallel to Starlink Direct-to-Cell, which targeted beta service in 2023 but didn't launch until late 2024, with commercial service not rolling out until mid-2025.

Q&A: Meta rumors and potential long-term acquirers

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:50:50

    Asked about Meta rumors, Anpanman confirms AST is working with Meta to optimize its applications (including wearable devices like Muse) to run over AST's narrowband satellite constellation, similar to what Meta did with Starlink's Direct-to-Cell service; he says Meta could make a strategic investment but would not acquire AST outright.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:50:50

    Among potential long-term strategic acquirers, he views Google as the most logical fit given it owns the Android mobile operating system and partners rather than competes with MNOs; he also names Amazon, Blue Origin, and Apple as more speculative possibilities.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:50:50

    He does not believe CEO Abel Avellan is looking to sell the company, characterizing AST as Avellan's 'magnum opus' aimed at bringing connectivity to underdeveloped markets, consistent with Avellan's background from Venezuela.

Q&A: T-Mobile timing and radar award

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:54:16

    Asked how confident he is in a T-Mobile partnership arriving soon, Anpanman says he has no evidence on exact timing but notes talks are reportedly going well, pointing to Deutsche Telekom (T-Mobile's parent) already testing with AST as a signal that T-Mobile could follow; he does not commit to a by-year-end timeline given Starlink's competitive pace.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:54:16

    On the radar award, Anpanman relays that Scott Wisniewski said on the earnings call the company hopes to share details 'soon,' but Anpanman has no insight into size or exact timing, speculating AST may be waiting on government clearance to disclose details or on confirmation of award size.

Watch Items7

  • Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum partner selection

    by early November 2026, possibly sooner per Anpanman's guess Anpanman 00:12:31
  • US telco joint venture (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile) formal announcement

    before end of 2026, per Anpanman's guess Anpanman 00:13:06
  • Batch 3 and batch 4 Bluebird satellite shipment and launch

    near-term, potentially within days of this recording Anpanman 00:07:38
  • Blue Origin New Glenn static fire test

    possibly first half of December 2026 Anpanman 00:20:07
  • T-Mobile definitive commercial agreement with AST

    unspecified, but discussions reportedly ongoing and progressing Anpanman 00:54:16
  • Radar contract award details disclosure

    'soon' per Scott Wisniewski, exact timing unclear Anpanman 00:54:16
  • AST beta service target of 25 satellites

    by end of year (2026), though Anpanman doubts it will be met Anpanman 00:41:18

Open Questions6

  • Will Bluebird 11 be confirmed as fully and successfully deployed, and what caused the deployment timeline uncertainty?

    Anpanman 00:15:09
  • When will AST sign a definitive agreement with T-Mobile, and how much would it move the stock price?

    Anpanman 00:41:18
  • Will AST meet its stated beta service target of 25 satellites by end of year, or fall short?

    Anpanman 00:41:18
  • When will AST actually reach commercial service, given launch cadence uncertainty?

    Anpanman 00:48:15
  • What is the size and timing of the disclosed-but-unquantified radar contract award?

    Anpanman 00:54:16
  • Will Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum decision favor AST, and when will it be announced?

    Anpanman 00:12:31
2026-09-21 44:49

Why Was $ASTS Dead Silent at the Paris Conference?

Kook

Kook hosts this AST SpaceMobile ($ASTS) podcast episode solo, opening with a candid admission that retail sentiment has hit rock bottom and that he has personally been distracted by his own stablecoin (USDe) investment while ASTS trades quietly.

Kook is puzzled that AST stayed unusually quiet at the Paris satellite conference despite recent momentum, contrasting it with Abel Avellan's hands-on founder style, including a secondhand story about Avellan sleeping on a couch overlooking the production floor. He digs into the Bluebird 11 mystery, reviewing TLE tracking data and mean-motion comparisons to BW12 and BW13, and says he can neither confirm nor rule out theories that AST is running station-keeping tests. He argues investors must simply decide whether they trust management, noting Rocket Lab's near-perfect stock correlation to ASTS.

Kook remains skeptical of Viasat's Equatus joint venture and its prime-contractor model, calling it more of a 'paper constellation' for now. He highlights a growing sovereignty and defense trend in Europe and Asia, citing AST's Michael Pollock, who told Paris attendees the U.S. defense community has already used AST's 12 in-orbit BlueBird satellites. He also covers AI data centers in space, new FCC spectrum approvals, a possible Rocket Lab ATM drag on ASTS, a Wells Fargo Starlink subscriber forecast, and New Glenn's return to the pad.

Kook's headline takeaway is that the quiet spell, the unresolved Bluebird 11 status, and thin near-term news are secondary to the bigger picture: sovereignty-driven defense demand and space-based AI compute are long-term secular trends he believes make ASTS worth holding through the noise.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook is the sole host of this episode; no co-host or guest appears.
  • Kook admits retail sentiment around ASTS has hit a low point, comparing his own distraction with a personal stablecoin (USDe) investment to a similar mental 'checkout' period he experienced before the May-June 2025 ASTS rally from about $23 to $50.
  • AST SpaceMobile's appearance at the Paris satellite conference this week was unusually subdued given the company's recent momentum, with little new commercial or government news beyond a panel featuring Scott Wisniewski on how direct-to-device scales.
  • Kook relays a secondhand story from a Space Mob member who interviewed at AST and met with Abel Avellan: Avellan reportedly keeps a couch in his office overlooking the production floor and sleeps there, which Kook cites as a sign of strong founder engagement.
  • Kook has been tracking Bluebird 11 via TLE orbital data and mean-motion comparisons with BlueBirds 12 and 13; he cannot confirm or deny community theories (attributed to 'Catsy') that BB11 is undergoing station-keeping tests, but sees no sign it has failed or unfurled its antenna yet.
  • Kook argues that when official disclosure is limited, investors must decide whether they trust AST's management team, and notes Rocket Lab's stock has shown near-perfect correlation to ASTS recently.
  • Kook is skeptical of Viasat's 'Equatus' joint venture, which uses a prime-contractor model; he says outsourced, non-vertically-integrated satellite constellations have historically failed or nearly failed, and currently views Equatus as more of a 'paper constellation.'
  • Kook describes an accelerating sovereignty and defense trend, with Europe rearming and Asian countries (Japan, Korea, Singapore) seeking their own direct-to-device capability, partly spurred by U.S. demonstrations of space-based military capability.
  • AST SpaceMobile's Michael Pollock said in Paris that the U.S. defense community has already used AST's existing 12 BlueBird satellites in orbit, and that allied Western defense ministries and U.S. Space Force leaders attending his presentation are increasingly aware of AST's technology.
  • Kook says AST has a large backlog of satellites in production, evidenced by continued Antonov cargo flights into Midland, but declines to give more transparency on Batch 3 shipment timing for contractual/competitive reasons, comparing the situation to a poker game where neither AST nor launch providers show their full hand.
  • Kook believes AI data centers in space are largely a 'solved' problem at the high end of the value chain (military/government workloads), though the cost curve for cheaper, mass-market compute remains unsolved.
  • The FCC accepted AST SpaceMobile's filing for international IMT spectrum and additional V-band spectrum, per community researcher Rocket Tank 123.
  • Kook speculates that Rocket Lab's recently completed at-the-market (ATM) equity offering may have created a technical stock-price headwind correlated with ASTS, tied to options open interest near the $60 and $65 strike lines.
  • A Wells Fargo forecast (cited via community member 'SPAC Bobby') projects Starlink subscribers growing from 17 million to 46 million by 2028, with Starlink revenue rising from $19 billion to $51 billion.
  • Blue Origin's New Glenn rocket, which AST relies on for launches, is expected to return to the pad soon after its earlier failure, with Blue Origin discussing an eventual cadence of up to 100 New Glenn launches per year.

Detailed Discussion15 topics

Retail Sentiment and Kook's Personal Crypto Distraction

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  • Kook Untagged 00:00:24

    Retail sentiment has hit a new low; Kook says he's updated his personal 'retail sentiment meter' and now considers the real bottom to be when he starts focusing on crypto instead of ASTS, which is what he's been doing lately.

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:24

    Kook has been spending his time on his own personal write-up and investment in Stablecoin X / USDe, describing himself as knowledgeable about payments (he sits on the board of a payments company and was involved with Circle pre-SPAC).

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:24

    Kook recalls being similarly distracted in May-June 2025, chasing crypto reverse mergers, right before ASTS rallied from about $23 to $50; he frames his current crypto distraction as a similar 'rock bottom' signal for ASTS sentiment.

The Oddly Quiet Paris Satellite Conference

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  • Kook Speculation 00:06:00

    AST SpaceMobile attended the Paris satellite conference this week, and Kook expected more news (definitive agreements, government contracts, etc.) given the company's recent momentum, but there was almost nothing announced, which he finds peculiar.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:06:00

    Per Peter Lindmark's reporting from the conference, there was a panel featuring Scott Wisniewski discussing how direct-to-device (D2D) scales, described as a highlight, but otherwise not much substantive news came out of the event.

Abel Avellan's Founder Engagement

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  • Kook Rumor 00:08:38

    A Space Mob member who interviewed at AST and met extensively with Abel Avellan told Kook that Avellan keeps a couch in his office overlooking the production floor and sleeps there, which Kook holds up as an ideal trait in a founder.

  • Kook Speculation 00:08:38

    Kook contrasts this with an unnamed founder of another portfolio company who originally had an office on the factory floor but later moved to an upscale office area (he alludes to something like Mayfair) far from operations, which Kook says is a warning sign of founder disconnection from reality.

  • Kook Untagged 00:11:02

    Kook notes that at an early stage a founder's presence on the production floor matters most, citing Amazon no longer needing Bezos in the distribution facility now that the company runs efficiently at scale, as a contrast to earlier-stage companies like AST.

The Bluebird 11 Mystery and TLE Tracking Data

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  • Kook Untagged 00:11:48

    Kook monitors AST's TLE (orbital tracking) data reported to NORAD, which he says gives investors an unusual level of visibility compared to most companies, though not minute-by-minute press releases.

  • Kook Speculation 00:11:48

    Kook says he cannot personally confirm or rule out theories (attributed to community member 'Catsy,' with related analysis from 'Toad Sommelier') that Bluebird 11 is undergoing deliberate station-keeping testing; he's tried to replicate the analysis and remains genuinely uncertain.

  • Kook Speculation 00:11:48

    Using his own historical tracking script, Kook does not see the dramatic change in V* (velocity/orbital parameter) that typically signals antenna unfurling, so he believes Bluebird 11 has not yet unfurled; he does see a satellite cruising nominally, within the deployment window of prior satellites.

  • Kook Speculation 00:11:48

    Kook has observed a slight difference in mean-motion comparisons between Bluebird 11 versus Bluebirds 12 and 13, though he says this could simply reflect that 12 and 13 have already deployed; he does not know for certain.

  • Kook Speculation 00:11:48

    Kook says it's easy to construct a plausible narrative that AST is testing station-keeping on Bluebird 11 because future (especially mid-band) satellites will operate at different altitudes and need to understand behavior under different power loads, but stresses this is not confirmed.

Trusting Management vs. the Rocket Lab Stock Correlation

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  • Kook Speculation 00:14:10

    Kook argues that AST's investor relations has little it can disclose about Bluebird 11 and that any voluntary disclosure risks triggering a class-action lawsuit, so investors frustrated by the lack of transparency should instead ask themselves whether they trust the management team.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:10

    Kook notes Rocket Lab's stock currently shows what he calls 'perfect correlation' to ASTS, and suggests that investors who don't trust Abel Avellan's team, but just want exposure to the theme, should simply buy Rocket Lab (and trust Peter Beck) instead.

  • Kook Untagged 00:14:10

    Kook says he personally holds only 1 to 3 positions at a time, focusing on being right on a small number of high-conviction ideas rather than trying to be right on everything; he cites having reservations about other 'go-go' stocks like Joby, Aurora, and QuantumScape where he lacks strong conviction.

The One-Bar Problem and Total Addressable Market

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  • Kook Speculation 00:17:50

    Kook describes frequent personal experience with 'one bar' cell coverage (e.g., dropping his kids at school, at the beach) as a tangible illustration of the coverage-gap opportunity AST is targeting, even in developed, populated areas.

  • Kook Speculation 00:17:50

    Kook cites Vodafone executive Tim Boddy, vice chairman of Satellite Connect Europe, distinguishing the '1% problem' (no coverage at all) from the 'one-bar problem' (coverage holes within an existing network), and relays Anpanman's estimate that the one-bar problem represents 20-30% of the total addressable market.

  • Kook Speculation 00:17:50

    Kook says he still has open questions about exactly how gray-area/one-bar coverage will be monetized — e.g., a day pass or weekly pass versus being folded into the broader hybrid network architecture (which he thinks is the better answer) — but believes strong consumer value generally finds a way to monetize.

Viasat's Equatus JV and Prime-Contractor Skepticism

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  • Kook Speculation 00:20:56

    Viasat launched its 'Equatus' joint venture, which it says has a binding contract, but Kook notes Viasat is still trying to select a prime contractor; Equatus aims to build a neutral, shared space-and-ground network that multiple mobile operators can use while keeping their own spectrum and customers, similar in concept to AST's business model.

  • Kook Speculation 00:20:56

    Kook argues that constellations outsourced to prime contractors like MDA or Boeing historically have mostly failed, or survived only after emerging from bankruptcy, because of budget overruns, delays, and inability to iterate; he contrasts this with AST's vertical integration.

  • Kook Speculation 00:20:56

    Kook currently views Equatus as more of a 'paper constellation' and speculates it could be a tactic similar to EchoStar's — talking a big game to drive up the value of Viasat's spectrum ahead of potentially dismantling parts of the company — though he says he would revisit this view if Equatus becomes a credible challenger.

Sovereignty and the Global Defense Rearmament Trend

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  • Kook Speculation 00:22:44

    Kook says the Paris conference reinforced a trend of increasing sensitivity around sovereignty, particularly in defense, with Europe rearming for reasons Kook views as historically ominous (he compares it to the Maginot Line) but unlikely to reverse.

  • Kook Speculation 00:22:44

    Kook predicts that once the U.S. demonstrates its own sovereign space-based defense capabilities, other regions — including EU member states and Asian countries like Japan, Korea, and Singapore, which face regional security threats — will feel pressure to develop similar sovereign direct-to-device capability, though coordinating among many separate countries will be difficult.

  • Kook Rumor 00:22:44

    Kook references a reported statement, which he attributes loosely to 'the Air Force,' claiming the U.S. has weapons in orbit; he frames this as further evidence to other nations that the U.S. is moving aggressively in space, though the specifics of this claim are unclear from his retelling.

  • Kook Speculation 00:22:44

    Kook says Satellite Connect Europe and the still-to-be-announced J-LEO joint venture (with Rakuten in Japan) show AST's sovereign-structuring approach could let other countries get American-scale technology while retaining control, though whether AST will be seen as a credible, non-excluded partner globally remains an open question.

Michael Pollock's Paris Remarks on U.S. Space Force Interest

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:24:51

    AST's Michael Pollock summarized his Paris presentation, saying the room included key leaders from the U.S. Space Force as well as representatives from various Western allied ministries of defense, many encountering AST for the first time, with awareness now beginning to shift.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:24:51

    Pollock stated that the U.S. defense community has already seen an early demonstration of what is possible using AST's existing 12 BlueBird satellites in orbit today, and that allied partners are now gaining clearer understanding of how AST's direct-to-device broadband technology reshapes expectations versus legacy satellite communications.

Batch 3 Satellites and the Launch-Capacity 'Poker Game'

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  • Kook Untagged 00:28:44

    Kook and a collaborator he calls 'Market Apostle' have set up new satellite-tracking surveillance systems to monitor Bluebird 11 and the wait for Batch 3, which he admits has become overwhelming to track.

  • Kook Speculation 00:28:44

    Kook says AST has a massive backlog of satellites in production and is not slowing down, pointing to continued Antonov cargo flights bringing equipment and supplies into Midland as evidence of parallel production paths still running.

  • Kook Speculation 00:30:56

    Kook likens the launch industry to poker: AST holds cards in the form of satellite cargo backlog, while launch providers hold cards in the form of limited (but not zero, and not permanently zero) launch capacity; neither side reveals its full hand, including on when Blue Origin will return.

  • Kook Speculation 00:30:56

    Kook expects AST to be launching satellites in small batches ('onesies and twosies') on Falcon 9 for a while longer, with a much more scaled launch campaign coming in 2027 once more cargo and launch capacity are available.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:30:56

    AST is out recruiting another launch-related executive, a launch campaign technical program manager, following prior launch-team hires.

AI Data Centers in Space

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  • Kook Speculation 00:31:47

    Kook believes AI data centers in space are largely a 'solved' problem for the highest-value workloads (military, government, and other premium compute), though he caveats that the cost curve to serve lower-value, mass-market compute cheaply has not been solved and it would be naive to think space-based compute will obviate terrestrial data centers soon.

  • Kook Speculation 00:31:47

    Kook draws an analogy to Tesla's FSD development, where Elon Musk scaled camera-based self-driving before the technology was fully cost-competitive, arguing that space-based AI compute will similarly start with high-value use cases and build out supply chain/R&D from there, driven by advantages like simpler cooling, no water constraints, and more abundant sunlight in space.

Spectrum and Regulatory Approvals

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:35:28

    Per community researcher Rocket Tank 123, the FCC accepted AST SpaceMobile's filing for international IMT spectrum and additional V-band spectrum.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:35:28

    Starlink separately received approvals for international expansion of its Starlink Mobile service; Kook notes Starlink and AST are on different strategic trajectories for now, though he expects eventual confrontation between the two approaches down the road.

Rocket Lab's ATM and Options Expiry Dynamics

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  • Kook Speculation 00:36:02

    Kook relays a comment from community member 'Dave' that Rocket Lab has finished its at-the-market (ATM) equity offering, which Kook says had likely been acting as a supply-driven headwind pinning both Rocket Lab's and, by correlation, ASTS's stock price.

  • Kook Speculation 00:36:02

    Kook speculates that ASTS and Rocket Lab (along with Voyager and Redwire) share an unusual stock correlation, and that on a recent Friday both stocks were pushed down toward large open-interest options strike lines ($60 for both, $65 for Rocket Lab), which he suspects let market makers avoid assignment and keep options premium.

Starlink Subscriber Growth Forecast

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  • Kook Untagged 00:38:53

    Community member 'SPAC Bobby' shared a Wells Fargo table projecting Starlink subscribers growing from 17 million to 46 million by 2028, with Starlink revenue rising from $19 billion to $51 billion over that period; Kook says he has no personal view on whether Starlink will hit those numbers but notes it illustrates the secular growth story driving investor interest in SpaceX broadly.

New Glenn's Return and the Broader Launch Capacity Race

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  • Kook Speculation 00:41:02

    Kook notes Blue Origin's New Glenn is expected back on the launch pad soon, roughly since the catastrophic explosion the company suffered back in May; Blue Origin has discussed a long-term vision of launching New Glenn up to 100 times per year, which Kook estimates would be equivalent to more than 250-300 Falcon 9 launches.

  • Kook Speculation 00:41:02

    Kook expects a large amount of new launch capacity coming online over the next several years from Starship, ULA, Rocket Lab, Relativity, and Japanese launch providers, and likens future launch providers to Aristotle Onassis-style oil tanker magnates who will profit from an inflection in demand for the 'cargo' (satellites) they move, including for space-based AI applications.

Watch Items5

  • Resolution of the Bluebird 11 mystery (whether it is conducting deliberate station-keeping tests, or something else)

    ongoing / no confirmed timeline Kook 00:11:48
  • Shipment of AST's 'Batch 3' BlueBird satellites

    Kook expects visibility within roughly the next 3 to 6 months Kook 00:28:44
  • Blue Origin's New Glenn return to the launch pad

    expected soon, around/after late September-October 2026 Kook 00:41:02
  • A more scaled AST launch campaign (moving beyond 'onesies and twosies' on Falcon 9)

    2027 Kook 00:30:56
  • Development of Viasat's Equatus JV, including its prime-contractor selection

    no timeline given; ongoing to watch Kook 00:20:56

Open Questions5

  • Is Bluebird 11's slightly different mean-motion behavior versus BW12/BW13 evidence of deliberate station-keeping testing, or is there another explanation?

    Kook 00:11:48
  • How will AST ultimately monetize 'gray area'/one-bar coverage — as a standalone day or weekly pass, or as part of the broader hybrid network architecture?

    Kook 00:17:50
  • Will Viasat's Equatus JV develop into a credible competitive threat to AST, or remain what Kook currently calls a 'paper constellation'?

    Kook 00:20:56
  • As sovereignty and defense demand accelerates globally, will AST's close association with U.S. defense capabilities help or hinder its ability to be seen as a credible, non-excluded D2D partner in other countries?

    Kook 00:22:44
  • Why was AST SpaceMobile so unusually quiet with news at the Paris satellite conference despite the company's recent business momentum?

    Kook 00:06:00
2026-09-17 36:00

Why Hasn't AST SpaceMobile Shipped Satellites Yet?

Anpanman

This is a solo commentary episode from Anpanman, recorded September 17, 2026, addressing a sharp bout of negative sentiment toward AST SpaceMobile ($ASTS) after a Fed rate hike sparked a relief rally across high-beta space stocks.

Anpanman argues the negativity is sector-wide, not AST-specific, pointing to Rocket Lab, Planet Labs, Redwire, BlackSky, Intuitive Machines, and Firefly all rallying the same day. He reviews AST's production update: 48 Bluebirds currently in the manufacturing pipeline, new composite rings delivered via Antonov, and expanded shipping capacity.

He explains satellite shipment delays as a byproduct of rigorous testing rather than mismanagement, compares AST's execution challenges to SpaceX's own historically difficult Falcon 9 and Starship development, and cites the Blue Origin New Glenn launchpad explosion as an unforeseen external shock to prior timelines. He also notes Deutsche Telekom, Orange, Vodafone, and Telefónica publicly backing a European AST-based solution, and new SDA and Grain Management requests to test additional spectrum on AST satellites.

Anpanman's headline conclusion: sentiment swings track broad market momentum, not AST-specific news, and investors need patience given how inherently hard space execution is.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman hosted a solo AST SpaceMobile ($ASTS) commentary episode on September 17, 2026, responding to a wave of negative investor sentiment.
  • A Fed rate hike of a quarter point, with guidance for more hikes this year, triggered a relief rally across high-beta stocks including AST SpaceMobile, Rocket Lab, BlackSky, Intuitive Machines, Planet Labs, Redwire, and Firefly.
  • Anpanman states AST SpaceMobile currently has 48 Bluebird satellites in its manufacturing pipeline, alongside new composite rings delivered by Antonov and shipping capacity expanded from roughly 3 to 4-5 shipping boxes.
  • Anpanman attributes delayed satellite shipments to satellites failing testing and requiring fixes and retesting, not to a lack of execution, saying the company would rather delay than ship a satellite likely to be 'bricked' in space.
  • SpaceX's crewed Dragon capsule launch, now scheduled for early October 2026, creates a scheduling buffer around which commercial cargo (including AST Bluebirds) cannot fly on Falcon 9.
  • Anpanman says BlueBird 11 has not yet unfolded its antenna array because AST appears to be testing an orbital-raise and 'bar configuration' approach before deployment, calling this a proprietary process AST is intentionally not disclosing to competitors.
  • Anpanman lists roughly 17 AST SpaceMobile company PR/social posts between late June and September 9, 2026 to argue the company has been communicating on a weekly cadence, contrary to claims it has gone silent.
  • Anpanman relays a secondhand account from a hedge fund analyst that a Berenberg research analyst said most negative feedback on his AST coverage came from short-selling hedge funds.
  • Anpanman argues that missed AST timelines, particularly the year-end 2026 satellite deployment target, were driven substantially by Blue Origin's New Glenn launchpad explosion, an external and unforeseen event.
  • At an industry conference during the week before this episode, Deutsche Telekom, Orange, Vodafone, and Telefónica all spoke positively about a European direct-to-cell satellite solution, and all four are AST SpaceMobile's partners via the Satellite Connect Europe joint venture.
  • Anpanman says the Space Development Agency, on behalf of the Space Force and Department of War, formally requested an extension of AST's Special Temporary Authority to test 900 MHz spectrum for radar and sensing applications.
  • Anpanman says Grain Management (NEST) is separately looking to extend a Special Temporary Authority to test 800 MHz spectrum on AST satellites.
  • Anpanman advises retail investors who want management's attention to email AST's investor relations or submit questions ahead of the quarterly earnings call, though he says IR is unlikely to respond individually to small retail holders.

Detailed Discussion13 topics

Fed rate hike and market backdrop

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:36

    The Fed raised rates by a quarter point the day before this episode and signaled additional hikes are likely this year; Anpanman says the market reacted positively because it views the Fed as serious about controlling inflation, which supports investing conditions in a still-growing economy.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:36

    Anpanman agrees with a JPMorgan view that if the Fed had cut rates or stayed flat instead of hiking, markets would have reacted negatively on fears the Fed isn't serious about inflation, requiring even more restrictive action later.

Sector-wide sentiment, not AST-specific

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:48

    Anpanman says negative sentiment has spiked broadly across nearly every high-beta stock in the market, not just AST SpaceMobile, citing Rocket Lab, neo-cloud companies, and quantum computing names as also facing retail anger.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:12:47

    On the relief-rally day, Anpanman cites specific same-day gains: Rocket Lab up 6%, BlackSky up almost 8%, Intuitive Machines up 8.5%, Planet Labs up 6%, Redwire up 7.7%, and Firefly up 8%, arguing AST's rally reflects sector momentum, not AST-specific news.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:07

    Anpanman says AST SpaceMobile stock has ranged as high as $133 and as low as about $50, and argues that volatility is typical of every high-beta, high-growth momentum name he's invested in, not unique to AST.

Execution versus promotional companies

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:03:34

    Anpanman states that if forced to choose between a company focused on execution versus one that is more promotional/marketing-driven, he would choose the execution-focused company, describing AST's DNA as not naturally promotional (though that could change over time).

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:03:34

    Anpanman says it's fair to question management when deadlines are missed, since that affects investor confidence, but argues investors should weigh the difficulty of what AST is attempting versus an easier consumer-goods business.

Lessons from SpaceX's Falcon 9 and Starship

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:04:55

    Anpanman recounts watching a SpaceX video on Falcon 9 and Starship development, noting Falcon 9 achieved reliable orbital heavy-lift and first-stage reuse, once considered impossible, and Starship is now attempting full reusability of both stages.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:55

    Anpanman notes Elon Musk projected in 2017 that Starship would land humans on Mars by 2022; that timeline is now roughly 4-6 years behind, but he says SpaceX investors aren't upset because they understand the difficulty of the problem.

Origin story and current state of direct-to-device

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:06:38

    Anpanman recalls that when Abel Avellan conceived satellite-to-unmodified-phone broadband around 2017-2018, people viewed it as an impossibility involving just AST and SpaceX; he says a recent industry event in Paris showed direct-to-device is now the dominant topic of conversation across the sector.

Production line criticism and shipment status

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:29:39

    Anpanman says AST currently has 48 Bluebird satellites in its manufacturing pipeline, that Antonov delivered additional composite rings, and that shipping capacity has expanded from roughly 3 to about 4-5 shipping boxes, implying closely spaced back-to-back launches ahead.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:33

    Anpanman says he believes AST has composite rings delivered through at least number 23, and possibly higher, though he is not fully certain of the exact count.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:08:14

    Anpanman rebuts an unnamed Korean investor's suggestion that AST should halt its entire production line to fix an issue with Bluebird 14, comparing it to Hyundai not stopping car production over a single defect; he notes AST is instead expanding the line toward a longer-term goal of 10 to 12 satellites per month.

Why satellites haven't shipped: testing and scheduling

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:33

    Anpanman speculates that a shipment described as 'imminent' was delayed because a satellite likely failed final testing, requiring a fix and a multi-week retest; he argues shipping a satellite with a known issue risking it being 'bricked' in space would be far worse than a delay.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:21:06

    Anpanman notes SpaceX's Falcon 9 crewed capsule launch is now scheduled for early October 2026 (a date that has itself moved), and that there is a no-fly buffer around crewed launches during which commercial cargo, including AST satellites, cannot launch, adding to scheduling constraints.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:19:33

    Anpanman explains AST is manufacturing multiple satellites in parallel rather than one at a time, which is part of why shipment timing doesn't map cleanly to a single satellite's progress.

BlueBird 11 antenna deployment and testing variability

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:33

    Anpanman says BlueBird 11 appears to be undergoing an orbital raise and may be flown in a 'bar configuration' with its antenna folded before being opened later, as AST tests different deployment processes and flight conditions.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:33

    Anpanman notes deployment-to-launch timing has varied: some recent Bluebirds unfolded quickly (deployment time fell from about 50 days to as low as 20 days), while BlueBird 11 is taking longer, which he attributes to AST testing different processes rather than a problem.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:33

    Anpanman argues AST deliberately does not disclose these deployment-process learnings publicly because they are competitively sensitive information relevant to other companies pursuing the same direct-to-device opportunity.

PR backlash and communications track record

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:33

    Anpanman says AST issued a production-update PR (covering the 48-satellite pipeline and new Antonov ring deliveries) and was criticized anyway by people wanting different news, specifically updates on Bluebird 11 and satellite shipments, illustrating a 'damned if you do' dynamic.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:23:03

    Anpanman lists company PR/social post dates he found by reviewing AST's account, including September 9 (summer production), August 27 (x2, including Bluebirds 12/13 fully deployed), August 6 (Deutsche Telekom testing), August 5 (successful launch of Bluebirds 11-13), August 2 (Guinness World Record), and additional posts on July 31, 28, 20, 17, 15, 14, 10, 6, 4, 2, and June 28 and 25 — arguing the company has posted roughly weekly, contradicting claims of silence.

Claims that management misled investors

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:24:41

    Anpanman pushes back on claims that AST management lied, arguing space companies set aspirational public goals shared with employees, suppliers, and launch providers, and that missing an aspirational goal by 10-15% is good performance while missing by 50% 'is probably the norm' in the sector.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:43

    Anpanman argues investors should distinguish between what a company said before an unforeseen external event (like the Blue Origin launchpad explosion) versus after it, since a major driver of AST's 2026 satellite-count plan depended on New Glenn.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:25:43

    Anpanman cites ULA's solid rocket booster issues, which took Vulcan Centaur offline for a period, as another example of launch-vehicle-dependent companies needing to adjust timelines for reasons outside their control.

Anonymous accounts, short sellers, and social media psychology

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:56

    Anpanman notes many new anonymous negative accounts were created as recently as June-August 2026, implying coordinated or incentivized negative posting.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:15:56

    Anpanman relays that a long-ASTS hedge fund analyst told him a Berenberg research analyst, after initiating coverage and posting notes, found that most of the negative pushback came from hedge funds that were short the stock, some of which may pay people to post negativity on X and Reddit.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:07

    Anpanman says heavy exposure to social media platforms like X can measurably shift a person's thinking and mental state, describing negativity as self-reinforcing ('negativity begets negativity') and urging listeners to reflect on their own posting behavior.

Signs of continued execution

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:39

    Beyond satellite shipments, Anpanman points to ongoing hiring, expanding production floor space, and regulatory progress in the US, Brazil, Japan, and Europe as evidence AST continues executing in parallel.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:29:39

    Anpanman says the Space Development Agency, on behalf of the Space Force and Department of War, is now formally requesting that AST's Special Temporary Authority be extended to test 900 MHz spectrum over AST satellites for radar and sensing applications.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:29:39

    Anpanman says Grain Management (referred to as 'NEST') is separately looking to extend a Special Temporary Authority to test 800 MHz spectrum on AST's satellites.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:29:39

    Anpanman notes that at an industry conference during the prior week, Deutsche Telekom, Orange, Vodafone, and Telefónica all spoke positively about a European satellite solution, and all four work with AST via the Satellite Connect Europe joint venture.

How to actually reach AST management

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:33:09

    Anpanman advises retail investors with constructive criticism or questions to email AST's investor relations directly, or submit questions ahead of the quarterly earnings call, noting management reads feedback even if they don't always respond individually.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:33:09

    Anpanman explains executives are more likely to prioritize responding to large institutional holders (e.g., a $500 million position) over individual retail investors with a few thousand shares, simply due to time constraints.

Watch Items4

  • Potential multiple back-to-back satellite launches enabled by expanded shipping capacity (4-5 shipping boxes, up from 3)

    Q4 2026 (as referenced by Anpanman) Anpanman 00:19:33
  • SpaceX crewed Dragon capsule launch, which creates a no-fly buffer restricting commercial cargo launches around it

    Early October 2026 Anpanman 00:21:06
  • BlueBird 11's antenna array unfolding, currently delayed as AST tests an orbital-raise/bar-configuration approach

    Not specified; ongoing as of episode Anpanman 00:09:33
  • AST's longer-term production cadence target of 10 to 12 satellites per month

    Not specified; described as a forward goal Anpanman 00:08:14

Open Questions3

  • When will BlueBird 11 unfold its antenna array, given AST appears to be testing an orbital-raise or 'bar configuration' approach first?

    Anpanman 00:09:33
  • Will AST actually achieve multiple back-to-back launches in Q4 2026 given its expanded shipping-box capacity?

    Anpanman 00:19:33
  • To what extent is coordinated or paid short-seller activity driving negative social media sentiment around AST SpaceMobile?

    Anpanman 00:15:56
2026-09-14 1:05:10

AST SpaceMobile - Space-Based Sensing and Targeting Confirmed

Kook

This is a solo episode of the AST SpaceMobile Podcast hosted by Kook, with no Anpanman appearance. Kook opens by responding to a bearish DCF analysis from Spanish analyst Amerito, then works through investing philosophy, Japan and Europe developments, and a defense-related regulatory filing.

Amerito modeled $210 of gross nominal equity value for ASTS by 2036 but discounted it back 12 years at a 10% rate, arriving at a $68 price target. Kook argues this academic-finance approach misjudges duration risk, since a high-growth company's true discount rate should compress over time as it de-risks.

Kook highlights an SDA filing backing AST SpaceMobile's Special Temporary Authority extension, stating the tested capabilities interest the Department of War's Space-Based Sensing and Targeting Portfolio Acquisition Executive. He also covers Japan's JLEO military angle, Europe's Iris2 and Satellite Connect Europe, T-Mobile blocking a Starlink MVNO workaround, and BlueBird 11 still awaiting antenna deployment.

Kook's headline argument is that first-mover advantage in satellite-to-phone connectivity will permanently lock out future competitors, while new non-communications revenue like space-based sensing keeps expanding AST's addressable market.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook (solo host, no Anpanman this episode) responds to a bearish DCF analysis from a Spanish analyst named Amerito, who modeled $210 of gross nominal equity value for ASTS by 2036 but discounted it back at 10% over 12 years to a $68 price target.
  • Kook argues academic DCF discounting is misleading for AST SpaceMobile because a high-growth, de-risking company's appropriate discount rate should fall over time, meaning Amerito's static 10% rate understates fair value.
  • Kook uses a Porsche-versus-Toyota analogy: AST SpaceMobile is a low-volume, high-margin premium connectivity product for a segmented, capacity-constrained subscriber base, not a mass-market substitute for dense urban terrestrial coverage.
  • Kook argues that whichever satellite-to-phone operator signs up the world's mobile network operators first will permanently lock out future competitors, since no rival would take a multi-billion-dollar, multi-year bet to build a constellation without guaranteed MNO distribution.
  • An SDA (Space Development Agency) filing supporting AST SpaceMobile's Special Temporary Authority extension states the tested capabilities are of significant interest to the Department of War's Space-Based Sensing and Targeting Portfolio Acquisition Executive, confirming a use case community researchers speculated about years earlier.
  • Kook says Japan's Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications, working with JLEO, has stated a strong likelihood that direct satellite communication with weapon systems will become necessary, adding a military dimension to the Rakuten-AST Japan effort beyond disaster recovery.
  • Kook references European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen discussing the EU's Iris2 satellite constellation, while French President Macron has spoken about Satellite Connect Europe, AST's joint venture with Vodafone.
  • T-Mobile has reiterated it will not allow Starlink to establish an MVNO relationship or backdoor access to its network, reinforcing exclusivity around AST's MNO partnerships.
  • Kook argues Starlink is likely deprioritizing direct-to-cell (D2C) service in favor of AI data centers in space, viewing Starlink's earlier spectrum purchases as a low-risk store-of-value play rather than a firm D2C commitment.
  • Kook says the FCC continues moving to unlock more than 1,000 additional megahertz of spectrum for next-generation direct-to-device satellites, much of which overlaps with spectrum AST SpaceMobile already uses.
  • As of this episode, BlueBird 11 (launched August 5, 2026) has not yet deployed its phased-array antenna; Kook's own orbital tracking shows it behaving nominally with no evidence of the orbital lift another community member claimed to observe.
  • Kook notes Amazon has arranged launches with Arianespace and that AT&T is becoming the first major telecom to integrate with Amazon's LEO fixed-broadband satellite service alongside its existing AST SpaceMobile direct-to-cell partnership.

Detailed Discussion12 topics

Amerito's bearish DCF and the discount-rate debate

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  • Kook Untagged 00:00:41

    A Spanish analyst named Amerito published a roughly four-hour bearish analysis of ASTS that caused a firestorm among Spanish-speaking investors over the weekend; Kook initially struggled to evaluate it because the content was in Spanish.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:41

    Kook describes Amerito as a credible, well-regarded investor who was early on Tesla, Bitcoin, and AST SpaceMobile, and characterizes his tone (via an AI summary) as somber, analytical, and respectful rather than hostile toward the company.

  • Kook Speculation 00:07:03

    Amerito concluded, using physics/spectrum/spectral-efficiency reasoning, that ASTS is not a substitute for dense urban terrestrial capacity — a conclusion Kook says he agrees with.

  • Kook Speculation 00:07:03

    Amerito's model: gross nominal equity value of $210 by 2036, discounted back 12 years at a 10% fixed hurdle rate, producing a target price of about $68.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:09

    Kook argues the flaw is duration risk: a discount rate should reflect nominal interest rate minus growth, and as a high-growth, de-risking company, ASTS's appropriate discount rate should fall toward something like 5% rather than stay fixed at 10%, which would sharply raise the implied price given convexity in long-duration assets.

  • Kook Speculation 00:07:03

    Kook says Amerito is not bearish on the company itself — he still models $210 of value — and that his own critique of academic DCF modeling isn't personal, describing academic financiers as generally poor at translating models into actual investment returns.

Premium, segmented pricing model (Porsche vs. Toyota)

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  • Kook Speculation 00:11:07

    Kook argues ASTS is like a limited-run Porsche or Ferrari rather than a mass-market Toyota: it offers the highest-value connectivity in the market but isn't meant to serve everyone in a dense city simultaneously.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:44

    In an emergency (Kook cites his in-laws' experience during 9/11, when the cellular network in New York crashed), remaining satellite capacity would prioritize emergency voice/text and critical infrastructure over entertainment use, with capacity segmented by willingness to pay.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:44

    High-value affinity groups (e.g., high rollers, portfolio managers needing guaranteed connectivity) will pay a premium for guaranteed access, while mass-market data allowances remain limited due to constrained system capacity.

Investing philosophy and Ron Baron

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  • Kook Speculation 00:19:00

    Kook discusses investor Ron Baron's simple, big-picture buy-and-hold investing style (citing Baron's long-held Tesla position) as a model for evaluating large secular themes like ASTS rather than building detailed discounted cash flow models.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:06

    Kook argues that scaling something hard for the first time (as ASTS is doing) inevitably produces setbacks, but that once a company like ASTS establishes itself with global MNOs, it becomes very difficult for a later entrant to break in, since no competitor would risk a $3-4 billion, 7-10-year bet without guaranteed distribution.

Japan (Rakuten/JLEO) and military use cases

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:25:34

    Kook quotes Japan's Ministry of Internal Affairs and Communications stating that direct satellite communication with weapon systems is likely to become necessary, expanding JLEO's use case beyond disaster recovery into military applications given Japan's regional security environment.

Europe: Iris2 and Satellite Connect Europe

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:26:41

    European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen discussed the EU's Iris2 satellite constellation, framing Earth-based security as dependent on space-based security.

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:41

    French President Macron has also spoken publicly, which Kook links to Satellite Connect Europe (AST's joint venture with Vodafone), which he says already has the key ingredients in place to serve European consumer connectivity needs.

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:41

    Kook says leading with one use case (disaster recovery, consumer coverage, or military) tends to naturally expand into the other two as the underlying system scales, creating a collision of demand across use cases that boosts revenue potential.

Revenue opportunity sizing (Scott Wisniewski's "tens of billions" comment)

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:28:53

    Kook references AST President Scott Wisniewski's past statement that the company is building against a revenue opportunity of "tens of billions of dollars," and says he previously published his own napkin-math estimate reverse-engineering that comment.

  • Kook Speculation 00:28:53

    Kook says his own revenue estimates from that earlier analysis have roughly doubled over the past year given developments including JLEO progress, an anticipated (not-yet-announced) T-Mobile deal, and advances in Satellite Connect Europe.

  • Kook Speculation 00:28:53

    Kook argues the US market, once effectively locked up by ASTS, becomes a major competitive moat because any rival constellation would have a higher cost basis and would be excluded from the world's most valuable telecom market.

T-Mobile, Starlink MVNO, and hybrid network architecture

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:31:48

    T-Mobile has reiterated that it will not allow Starlink to obtain an MVNO relationship or backdoor access to its network for a direct-to-consumer satellite service.

  • Kook Speculation 00:32:19

    Kook describes a hybrid network architecture concept (attributed to community analyst Katsy) where satellite coverage extends the "tails" of terrestrial network coverage rather than operating as a separate roaming service like Starlink's; AST's approach works in tandem with terrestrial towers rather than as an either/or roam-to-space model.

  • Kook Untagged 00:32:19

    Kook says how revenue is apportioned between the terrestrial and satellite layers in this hybrid model is known only to the company.

Starlink's possible pivot away from direct-to-cell

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  • Kook Speculation 00:34:55

    Kook argues Starlink may be quietly abandoning direct-to-cell (D2C) in favor of AI data centers in space, reasoning that SpaceX's DNA is to control its own destiny rather than act as a wholesale middleware provider to legacy telecoms.

  • Kook Speculation 00:34:55

    Kook's long-standing view is that Starlink's D2C product was originally a strategic move to starve ASTS of capital and create FUD, rather than a genuine long-term commitment to the direct-to-cell business.

  • Kook Speculation 00:34:55

    Kook argues Elon Musk's roughly $20 billion S-band spectrum purchase (from a distressed seller) functioned as a low-risk store-of-value trade rather than a firm commitment to D2C, since spectrum is scarce like Bitcoin and could later be resold or repurposed for AI data centers or Tesla.

SDA filing: space-based sensing and targeting

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:39:09

    Community researcher Justin Barrett found an FCC filing for a 30-day extension of AST's Special Temporary Authority (STA) that includes the Space Development Agency (SDA) conveying support for the STA in the national security interest.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:39:09

    The filing states the SDA has determined the capabilities to be demonstrated under the STA are of significant interest to the Department of War, specifically the Space-Based Sensing and Targeting Portfolio Acquisition Executive.

  • Kook Speculation 00:39:09

    Kook frames this as vindication of earlier, widely mocked community speculation (referencing what he calls the "Katzi files") that AST's satellites would be used for radar, at a time when the stock traded around $2.

  • Kook Speculation 00:39:09

    Kook argues space-based sensing and targeting opens new revenue vectors by monetizing satellite capacity over areas with little or no commercial subscriber activity (oceans, adversarial countries), where he models utilization near zero today and marginal cost of added government revenue as effectively zero.

Oversubscription economics and spectrum scarcity

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  • Kook Speculation 00:46:37

    Kook argues AST's satellite capacity, like wireless data plans generally, can be sold multiple times over (oversubscribed) because concurrent usage rates are very low, similar to how a telecom reseller he spoke with oversells data plans against actual usage.

  • Kook Speculation 00:46:37

    Kook says his own earlier models, which priced capacity per gigabyte based on raw data production, likely understated revenue because they didn't account for the ability to oversell the same capacity many times over.

  • Kook Speculation 00:46:37

    An unnamed prior expert call estimated satellites would pay for themselves in under six months (maybe three) with a roughly ten-year satellite lifetime; Kook believes this still understates oversubscription potential because the expert used rural cellular-tower multiples as a proxy.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:46:37

    Kook says the FCC continues moving to unlock more than 1,000 megahertz of additional spectrum for next-generation direct-to-device satellites, much of which is spectrum AST SpaceMobile already uses, calling this a favorable regulatory trend.

Satellite production updates and BlueBird 11 tracking

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:54:55

    AST posted a company PR/promotional piece this week showing blurred footage of production facilities with satellites in various stages of work-in-progress, which drew some negative community reaction for not showing an explicit shipment.

  • Kook Speculation 00:54:55

    Community analyst Tanner said BlueBirds 20 and 23 are about to get their phased arrays installed and enter final testing.

  • Kook Speculation 00:54:55

    An analyst referred to as Kevin said the company is well-positioned to build and launch up to BlueBird 25 by the end of the year.

  • Kook Speculation 00:54:55

    Another Antonov cargo flight arrived this weekend, originating from Germany, with unclear contents; community speculation includes additional composites (usually from India) or additional production machinery for AST's expanding Micron facility.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:54:55

    BlueBird 11 (launched August 5, 2026) has not yet deployed its phased-array antenna as of this episode; Kook says his own orbital tracking of altitude, apogee, and drag shows it behaving nominally and still within its prior deployment window, following a recent solar storm.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:54:55

    Kook disputes a claim from a community member referred to as "Toad Somalia" that BlueBird 11 underwent an orbital lift, saying his own numbers don't show that.

  • Kook Speculation 00:54:55

    Kook says the next satellite shipment should begin fairly soon and that the community is monitoring closely for it.

Amazon and AT&T LEO satellite partnership

2
  • Kook Confirmed 01:01:35

    Amazon has arranged additional launch capacity with Arianespace, and AT&T is becoming the first major telecom to integrate with Amazon's LEO satellite service for fixed broadband, tying into AT&T's fiber and 5G network.

  • Kook Speculation 01:01:35

    Kook argues this shows MNOs like AT&T are seeking multiple trusted wholesale satellite partners (ASTS for direct-to-cell, Amazon for fixed broadband) rather than relying solely on SpaceX, and speculates it would make sense for Amazon's satellite business and ASTS to eventually combine, potentially alongside Blue Origin.

Watch Items3

  • Next batch of BlueBird satellite shipments from Midland to a launch site

    expected to begin fairly soon, per Kook Kook 00:54:55
  • BlueBird 11 phased-array antenna deployment

    within its existing deployment window, not yet occurred as of this episode Kook 00:54:55
  • Formal T-Mobile commercial deal announcement

    not yet announced, but expected by Kook Kook 00:28:53

Open Questions3

  • How will AST SpaceMobile and its MNO partners apportion revenue between the terrestrial and satellite layers under the hybrid network architecture?

    Kook 00:32:19
  • Did Amerito's bearish DCF analysis account for potential space-based sensing and targeting revenue, which Kook believes materially changes the total addressable market?

    Kook 00:39:09
  • What terms will the anticipated T-Mobile commercial agreement include once formally announced?

    Kook 00:28:53
2026-09-08 1:07:37

AST SpaceMobile: Japan Files 136-Satellite Constellation at ITU

Anpanman

This solo episode of the AST SpaceMobile Podcast features Anpanman, who argues sovereignty has become the defining theme for AST SpaceMobile and the wider satellite industry, tying together Japan, Europe, and UK developments from over Labor Day weekend.

Japan's telecom regulator MIC filed with the ITU on September 4th for a 136-satellite "J-Bluebird" constellation on behalf of the still-informal Rakuten/AST joint venture, backed by roughly $1 billion in Japanese government funding plus matching partner capital. Bloomberg reported Europe's top four carriers, Vodafone, Deutsche Telekom, Orange, and Telefónica, are discussing a joint venture using AST to pursue 2 GHz spectrum and counter Starlink, while the UK unveiled a £7.8 billion sovereign space initiative.

Anpanman contrasts AST's "bent pipe" architecture, which keeps customer ownership with local carriers, against Starlink's and Amazon's vertically integrated models, arguing this is why sovereignty-minded governments favor AST. He also covers Berenberg's new coverage modeling roughly $29 per share of upside from a hypothetical T-Mobile deal, a board member's stock purchase, and a delayed October launch.

Anpanman says he has never been more bullish, framing AST as uniquely positioned at the intersection of sovereignty, defense, and connectivity as more countries reject reliance on Starlink.

Key Takeaways

  • Japan's telecom regulator MIC filed with the ITU on September 4, 2026 for a 136-satellite constellation called "J-Bluebird," filed on behalf of the not-yet-formalized Rakuten/AST SpaceMobile joint venture for the J-LEO project.
  • The J-LEO project is backed by roughly $1 billion in Japanese government funding plus a matching $1 billion in partner capital, which Anpanman says can be used to unlock additional private debt financing with little direct equity investment from AST or Rakuten.
  • Bloomberg reported that Europe's top four wireless carriers — Vodafone, Deutsche Telekom, Orange, and Telefónica — are in talks to form a joint venture using AST SpaceMobile to compete for 2 GHz MSS spectrum and counter Starlink.
  • AST disclosed in an August press release that Deutsche Telekom has become a testing partner, a step Anpanman describes as typically preceding a definitive commercial agreement.
  • The UK government unveiled a £7.8 billion sovereign space initiative that includes plans for a 5G/6G direct-to-device network using commercial satellite constellations.
  • Investment bank Berenberg initiated research coverage on AST SpaceMobile, modeling a scenario in which a T-Mobile deal could add $1.1 billion of EBITDA by 2030, worth roughly $29 per share at a 15x EBITDA multiple.
  • AST SpaceMobile board member Adriana Cesneros made a discretionary, non-programmatic open-market purchase of AST stock in the week before this episode.
  • AST will not launch satellites in September 2026 due to a SpaceX Falcon 9/Crew Dragon launch-window conflict; Anpanman expects an October launch, possibly two, of the next batch of Block 2 BlueBird satellites.
  • Anpanman argues Starlink's reported ability to grant and revoke connectivity during the Russia-Ukraine conflict, plus its later pivot to compete directly with carriers as 'Starlink Mobile,' has made sovereignty and independent architecture a central selling point for AST worldwide.
  • Anpanman contrasts AST's 'bent pipe' architecture, which keeps traffic and customer ownership with local MNOs, against Starlink's and Amazon's vertically integrated, proprietary architectures, arguing this is why countries and carriers prefer AST for sovereign deployments.
  • AST currently has guaranteed 50/50 revenue-split minimums with AT&T and Verizon for the life of their agreements, and with Vodafone for 10 years, though Anpanman expects new joint-venture splits (Japan, Europe) could be lower in percentage terms while covering much larger addressable markets.

Detailed Discussion15 topics

Sovereignty as the Episode's Central Theme

1
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:38

    Sovereignty is going to be a recurring theme for the coming months, not just in communications but launch and anything in space, as countries — not only companies — increasingly view space as a strategic necessity.

Japan's 136-Satellite ITU Filing and J-LEO Economics

7
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:02:31

    Japan's MIC (Japan's equivalent of the FCC) filed with the ITU on September 4th for a 136-satellite constellation named 'J-Bluebird' — 'J' for J-LEO, 'Bluebird' for AST's satellites — filed on behalf of Rakuten and AST SpaceMobile even though their J-LEO joint venture is not yet formally definitive.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:02:31

    The J-LEO project starts with roughly $1 billion of Japanese government funding, with more funding expected later, plus a matching roughly $1 billion side-by-side capital contribution required from the partners.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:31

    Once the $1 billion of government funding is secured, the joint venture can raise additional private debt against it, meaning very little, if any, equity investment is required from AST or Rakuten.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:31

    It's unclear whether the constellation will actually reach the full 136 satellites; companies typically file for the outer bound of what they might need for regulatory flexibility, then scale back from there.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:52

    He compares the deal structure to a prior Planet Labs arrangement with a Japanese partner for 'Pelican' Earth-observation satellites, where Japan paid for deployment and got dedicated in-country capacity while Planet Labs monetized use outside Japan — he expects a similar structure for J-LEO and for SatCo Europe.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:52

    The AST/Rakuten revenue split for satellites used outside Japan could shift from a hypothetical 50/50 down to something like 30/70 or 40/60, but owning 100% of a market at a smaller percentage split is far more valuable than owning a third of a market at 50/50.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:52

    Japan's other major carriers — KDDI, NTT Docomo, and SoftBank — could eventually work out a deal with the Rakuten/AST joint venture instead of Starlink, if Rakuten allows it.

Japan's Golden Dome-Style Defense Network

1
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:05:01

    Japan is looking to build a sovereign, multi-layer defense and communications network similar to a Golden Dome-style architecture, incorporating AI edge computing and both commercial and defense players, motivated by proximity to China and North Korea.

Starlink's Ukraine Switch and the Risk of Vertical Integration

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:05:54

    The Russia-Ukraine conflict was the moment that made governments realize Elon Musk could reportedly turn Starlink connectivity on or off for Ukraine (and Russia) depending on his own views, raising concern about relying on a single, foreign-controlled provider.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:36

    He cites the 2025 public falling-out between Elon Musk and Donald Trump, including Musk's remarks tying Trump to the Jeffrey Epstein network, and Musk's threat to pull back support for the space station, arguing this taught even the US government it cannot rely solely on one provider, even an aligned one.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:36

    A vertically integrated company with interests spanning Tesla, The Boring Company, and SpaceX/Starlink (plus AI data centers) raises concerns for governments about a single entity becoming too powerful for others to depend on.

Europe: Big Four Carriers, SatCo, and 2 GHz Spectrum

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  • Anpanman Rumor 00:27:26

    Bloomberg reported that Europe's top four MNOs — Vodafone, Deutsche Telekom, Orange, and Telefónica — are in talks to form a joint venture using AST SpaceMobile to counter Starlink and pursue 2 GHz MSS spectrum.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:08:56

    AST's existing Satellite Connect Europe (SatCo) joint venture with Vodafone currently formally includes Vodafone, Orange, and Telefónica; Deutsche Telekom is not yet a formal member.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:09:26

    AST disclosed in an August 6th press release that Deutsche Telekom has become a testing partner with AST, a step he says typically precedes a definitive commercial agreement.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:26

    Europe currently has 30x30 MHz of 2 GHz S-band spectrum held by EchoStar and Viasat, with licenses expiring in May 2027; he expects the EU to reallocate it into three 10x10 MHz blocks — one for the European IRIS-2 consortium, one for a Europe-based satellite player, and one likely remaining with EchoStar (down from its current 15x15 MHz).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:26

    There's a chance, not yet priced in by the market, that AST/Satellite Connect Europe could receive its own independent 10x10 MHz block in the 2 GHz reallocation.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:26

    Telecom Italia's Brazilian subsidiary, TIM Brasil, already works with AST; he speculates Telecom Italia itself will eventually sign on with AST in Europe as well.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:27:26

    When Bloomberg's article on the Europe Big Four talks was published, AST was not listed under its own ticker in the Bloomberg Terminal despite being named in the article, prompting him to contact Bloomberg's help desk — evidence, he says, of how little Wall Street awareness of AST still exists.

UK's £7.8 Billion Sovereign Space Initiative

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:12:38

    The UK government unveiled, on the day of recording, a £7.8 billion sovereign space initiative that includes building 5G/6G direct-to-device networks by leveraging commercial satellite constellations.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:12:38

    Vodafone, which recently merged with Three in the UK, already works with AST SpaceMobile, positioning AST rather than Starlink to benefit if UK sovereignty concerns steer the country away from Starlink.

Architecture: Bent-Pipe vs. Starlink/Amazon's Proprietary Model

3
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:15:36

    Starlink's network operates as an independent constellation using inter-satellite links, where MNO customers effectively roam onto Starlink's network and Starlink controls the data and customer relationship, with traffic potentially crossing borders.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:36

    AST's 'bent pipe' architecture keeps data origination and landing within the same country and preserves the MNO's ownership of the customer relationship, billing, and support, which he argues is what sovereignty-minded countries and carriers want.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:36

    Amazon still has the option to shift away from a Starlink-like architecture since it hasn't yet launched its own direct-to-device constellation, noting Amazon's existing Globalstar stake uses an older bent-pipe architecture, though he doubts Amazon will adopt AST's model given its business focus on owning the customer and monetizing data.

Starlink Mobile as a Catalyst for AST Adoption

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:34

    Starlink's 2022 announcement that it was entering direct-to-device initially made him 'feel pretty down,' but in hindsight Starlink's later pivot toward directly competing with every MNO globally as 'Starlink Mobile' has been 'the best thing to ever happen to AST' by accelerating MNOs' strategic embrace of AST.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:21:34

    He relays a comment he attributes to Scott Wisniewski on an earlier call, stating that 'everybody in the G20 is talking to us' about building sovereign satellite constellations.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:34

    He alleges SpaceX used 'lawfare' and regulatory pressure at the FCC to push EchoStar toward eventually selling it spectrum, framing this as an example of SpaceX being the 'biggest bully' from a regulatory standpoint.

Why AST Doesn't PR Every Development

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:34

    AST typically does not issue press releases for early-stage joint-venture negotiations (like the still-unformalized Japan JV) or for routine regulatory filings, reserving PR for when deals reach formal, material milestones.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:34

    Berenberg's new research coverage appears to leverage Space Mob community due diligence, similar to how hedge funds have historically tracked regulatory dockets (FCC, DOJ, FTC) themselves.

Berenberg Initiates Coverage; T-Mobile Upside Scenario

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:35:56

    Berenberg initiated research coverage on AST SpaceMobile last week; he praises the analyst for understanding AST's strategic importance to MNOs and countries, unlike other reports that treat Starlink purely as a competitive threat without acknowledging AST as the countermeasure.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:35:56

    Berenberg modeled a scenario in which AST winning a deal with T-Mobile could add $1.1 billion of EBITDA in 2030; at a 15x EBITDA multiple (which he argues should be higher), that implies roughly $29 per share, about 50% of AST's current stock price.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:35:56

    Berenberg's current model does not yet account for a potential Deutsche Telekom deal, implying further unmodeled upside if additional European carriers sign on.

Board Member Adriana Cesneros's Stock Purchase

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:41:26

    AST board member Adriana Cesneros, described as one of Abel Avellan's longest-time friends on the board and daughter of one of the company's early seed investors, made an open-market stock purchase last week that was not part of a pre-set trading plan.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:26

    Addressing concerns that an insider buying stock implies undisclosed material news, he explains a board member can legally buy shares while strategic discussions (e.g., with a prospective MNO partner) are ongoing but have not yet reached the level of definitive-agreement materiality.

Launch and Production Update: BlueBird 14-16

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:44:16

    There's no confirmed update yet on the shipment of BlueBirds 14 through 16, but there are an estimated 4 to 5 shipping boxes staged in Midland, suggesting the next shipment could be larger than prior batches, possibly arriving as two separate completed batches.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:44:16

    In audience Q&A, he confirmed there will not be a September 2026 launch, citing a SpaceX Falcon 9/Crew Dragon launch-window conflict, and said he expects an October launch, possibly two.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:44:16

    Of BlueBirds 14-16, he believes two satellites are finished and speculates (without confirmation) that one may have an unspecified issue that contributed to missing the September window.

Military Contracts and Upcoming MNO Conference Appearances

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:41:26

    He reiterates AST's 3 recent military/government contract awards worth a combined $125 million over the course of a year, noting the company disclosed only the award value on the Q2 call without discussing potential contract ceilings or options, and that Scott Wisniewski indicated more detail would follow.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:45:25

    This week, Verizon and T-Mobile are scheduled to speak at Citigroup on Wednesday, with Verizon also appearing at Goldman Sachs that afternoon; on Thursday, AT&T speaks at Citi, T-Mobile at Goldman Sachs, and AT&T at Bank of America — occasions where analysts may ask about AST or Starlink competitive positioning.

Audience Q&A: Capacity Leasing, Revenue Splits, and a Possible SpaceX Pivot

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  • Anpanman Speculation 01:00:14

    Asked how Japan's satellites will be used outside Japan's field of view, he explained Japan will own the satellites (flagged out of Japan), but AST will lease capacity from Japan when the satellites fly over other regions, connect to ground stations elsewhere, and sell that capacity to other MNOs.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 01:00:14

    AST currently has guaranteed contractual revenue-split minimums of 50/50 with AT&T and Verizon, lasting through their respective definitive agreements, and with Vodafone for 10 years.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:00:14

    He speculates revenue splits in new joint ventures like J-LEO and SatCo Europe could fall to around 30% or 40% for AST, but argues that trade-off would still be more lucrative than a 50/50 split on a much smaller addressable market.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:00:14

    Asked what stops SpaceX from pivoting Starlink to a sovereign-controlled, bent-pipe architecture, he said it's technically possible but argued Starlink's public commitment to a vertically integrated model, plus Elon Musk's political involvement in Europe, has 'poisoned the well' and makes such a reversal unlikely absent a major political shift.

On Trolls, Noise, and Holding Conviction Through Drawdowns

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:46:43

    Discussing the recent stock drawdown, he says he mutes or blocks trolls to preserve his mental bandwidth rather than engaging with every critic.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:46:43

    He recalls that during AST's decline to around $2 per share, he and other long-term holders faced significant public bullying from bearish commentators, some of whom he says now hold AST stock; he says he 'will never forgive' that group.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:46:43

    He cites a phrase from the recent drawdown — 'conviction cannot be borrowed' — arguing investors must do their own research, and notes a professional investor batting 51-70% correct, if sized properly, can be considered highly successful.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:03:49

    He recalls a former Loft Orbital co-founder previously said publicly he would short AST to zero if he managed money, illustrating how far sentiment has shifted from 'impossible niche idea' to a service the T-Mobile CEO has called 'table stakes.'

Watch Items6

  • Next BlueBird launch (Block 2 batch including satellites 14-16 or more)

    October 2026, possibly two launches Anpanman 00:44:16
  • US MNO conference appearances (Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T) where AST/Starlink questions may come up

    This week — Wednesday (Citigroup, Goldman Sachs) and Thursday (Citi, Goldman Sachs, Bank of America) Anpanman 00:45:25
  • Formalization of the Rakuten/AST J-LEO joint venture

    Not yet dated; still being negotiated Anpanman 00:17:52
  • Formalization of a Europe Big Four carrier joint venture / Deutsche Telekom joining Satellite Connect Europe

    Not yet dated; reported as in talks Anpanman 00:27:26
  • EU 2 GHz MSS spectrum reallocation process as EchoStar/Viasat licenses expire

    Licenses expire May 2027 Anpanman 00:27:26
  • Additional detail on the 3 recent military contract awards ($125 million combined)

    Expected in upcoming company updates, per Scott Wisniewski Anpanman 00:41:26

Open Questions6

  • Will the informal Rakuten/AST J-LEO joint venture be formalized, and what will its final revenue split be?

    Anpanman 00:17:52
  • Will Deutsche Telekom formally join Satellite Connect Europe, and how will that change the venture's ownership mix?

    Anpanman 00:27:26
  • Will AST/Satellite Connect Europe receive its own independent 10x10 MHz block in the EU's 2 GHz spectrum reallocation, or share/compete with EchoStar and IRIS-2 for it?

    Anpanman 00:27:26
  • Will Japan's other major carriers — KDDI, NTT Docomo, and SoftBank — eventually join the Rakuten/AST joint venture?

    Anpanman 00:17:52
  • Could SpaceX eventually pivot Starlink toward a sovereign-controlled, bent-pipe architecture to compete for the same government deals?

    Anpanman 01:00:14
  • Which BlueBird among satellites 14-16 reportedly has an issue, and will there be one or two launches in October?

    Anpanman 00:44:16
2026-09-08 40:24

Is AST SpaceMobile Becoming Space's Next Hyperscaler?

Kook

This solo AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode features longtime host Kook recapping a Labor Day weekend of developments, from a still-undeployed BlueBird 11 satellite to an insider stock purchase, sentiment swings, and competitive positioning against Starlink and Viasat.

Kook explains BlueBird 11 has not yet unfurled its antenna, likely due to heightened solar activity and lighter Labor Day staffing rather than any hardware failure. He notes AST SpaceMobile filed an FCC letter confirming the satellite is otherwise nominal and in its correct orbit.

Kook highlights director Adriana Cisneros buying ASTS stock as a confidence signal after August's momentum-driven selloff, and frames AST SpaceMobile as space's true hyperscaler, saying it recently launched satellite capacity equal to four Iridium constellations. He contrasts Viasat's talent exodus with AST's active hiring, dismisses Starlink's direct-to-cell service as a repurposed IoT product lacking indoor connectivity, and flags a radar-focused AST job posting that mirrors one at Anduril.

He closes by rebutting David Einhorn's SpaceX bubble comments, citing a Berenberg report showing T-Mobile inclusion could add $1 billion of 2030 EBITDA, and previewing near-term catalysts in Japan's J-LEO program and AST's European joint venture.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile's BlueBird 11 satellite has not yet unfurled its antenna array, but an FCC filing from the company confirms the satellite is otherwise nominal, communicating, and in the correct orbit.
  • Kook believes heightened solar activity and reduced Labor Day staffing are the most likely explanations for BlueBird 11's deployment delay, rather than a software or mechanical failure.
  • AST SpaceMobile director Adriana Cisneros, a Series B investor in the company, bought ASTS stock during the week before this episode, which Kook interprets as a confidence signal following August's stock selloff; ASTS shares rose about 12% on the news.
  • A tweet from investor 'Tut' showed Viasat has lost 12 VP-level executives since June, which Kook contrasts with AST SpaceMobile's continued hiring as a sign of relative company health.
  • Kook argues AST SpaceMobile is the true 'hyperscaler' of the satellite industry, saying the company recently launched satellite capacity equal to four Iridium constellations within a few months, compared to Iridium's original $3 billion buildout roughly 25 years ago.
  • Kook calls Starlink's Direct-to-Cell service (used by T-Mobile) a 'red herring' — repurposed IoT technology that requires line of sight and does not work indoors, unlike AST SpaceMobile's technology.
  • AST SpaceMobile is hiring for a head-of-radar role, and community member Ivan Hristrov noted Anduril is hiring for the same type of role, fueling speculation about a possible AST-Anduril radar partnership; ASTS investor Palmer Luckey is also an Anduril investor.
  • A hiring post referencing 'a dedicated, minimally modified derivative of ASTS's commercial satellite constellation' suggests AST SpaceMobile may build a separate dedicated satellite shell for government/radar use cases.
  • A Berenberg research note modeled that adding T-Mobile as a partner could add roughly $1 billion of 2030 EBITDA for AST SpaceMobile, raising its price target from $92 to $121 using a 15x EBITDA multiple.
  • An Anpanman chart showed BlackSky, Redwire, Planet Labs, and Rocket Lab all fell roughly 40% from June 11 to early September 2026, indicating the ASTS/space-sector selloff was a broad momentum unwind rather than company-specific bad news.
  • Kook criticized David Einhorn's public comments dismissing SpaceX as a bubble, arguing Einhorn cherry-picked investor quotes and never addressed Starlink, AST SpaceMobile's key competitive benchmark for direct-to-device.
  • New Zealand carrier 2degree, Rakuten, and US Mobile all discussed AST SpaceMobile-related beta or partnership services during the week, with US Mobile citing a partnership with both AST SpaceMobile and SpaceX targeted for Q4.

Detailed Discussion15 topics

BlueBird 11 Deployment Delay

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:59

    Kook has been checking TLE (orbital tracking) data on BlueBird 11 and confirms it is in the correct type of orbit but has not yet unfurled its antenna array.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:59

    Kook lists possible reasons for the non-deployment: waiting for optimal spacing relative to other BlueBirds, heightened solar activity (which risks electromagnetic discharge or added atmospheric drag during unfurling), a software issue requiring an upload during a satellite pass, or, least likely, a mechanical failure.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:59

    Kook's personal belief is that the delay is due to heightened solar activity (a point he says he confirmed by talking with Kevin Shen) combined with reduced Labor Day weekend staffing at the company.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:04:02

    AST SpaceMobile filed a letter with the FCC confirming that BlueBird 11 is otherwise nominal — in the correct orbit and communicating with the ground — despite not having deployed its antenna.

Adriana Cisneros Stock Purchase

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:04:18

    AST SpaceMobile director Adriana Cisneros bought ASTS stock this week; Kook notes she rarely buys and, despite being a billionaire via her family's Cisneros Group, does not have unlimited liquidity since her wealth is largely in operating companies.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:04:18

    Cisneros was a Series B investor in AST SpaceMobile and has been with CEO Abel Avellan 'the whole way'; Kook describes her as a confidence-reinstiller for the company and a 'consigliere' to Avellan on the board.

  • Kook Speculation 00:04:18

    Kook says Cisneros's past stock purchases have historically marked a bottom, and interprets this purchase — coming after ASTS was caught in an August momentum-driven high-beta selloff alongside other space and 'MOMO' stocks — as a deliberate signal to shareholders that positive developments are coming; the stock rose 12% on the news.

Viasat Talent Exodus vs. AST SpaceMobile Hiring

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  • Kook Rumor 00:06:42

    Investor 'Tut' posted a tweet showing a talent exodus from Viasat, with 12 VP-level executives departing since June.

  • Kook Speculation 00:09:29

    Kook argues talent flow is one of the best signals for evaluating a secular growth investment, contrasting Viasat's C-suite departures with strong talent inflow at AST SpaceMobile, which he likens to an exciting company people want to join and get rich from (drawing a comparison to early Tesla's expanding product roadmap).

AST SpaceMobile as Space's Hyperscaler

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  • Kook Speculation 00:09:44

    Kook argues AST SpaceMobile is the 'hyperscaler' of the space industry, alongside SpaceX and, likely, Blue Origin, in a way people have not fully appreciated.

  • Kook Speculation 00:09:44

    In one single launch, AST SpaceMobile launched 3 satellites with combined square footage double that of the entire Iridium constellation; Iridium spent $3 billion roughly 25 years ago to build that constellation.

  • Kook Speculation 00:09:44

    Citing community member @TechInvestor, Kook says that in the past couple of months AST SpaceMobile has launched satellite capacity equivalent to 4 Iridium constellations, calling this just the company's 'warmup' despite ongoing production debottlenecking, floor-plan changes, and labor scaling challenges.

Starlink Direct-to-Cell as a "Red Herring"

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  • Kook Speculation 00:11:42

    Kook calls Starlink a 'red herring,' describing its roughly 650-satellite Direct-to-Cell fleet serving T-Mobile as a minimum-viable, repurposed IoT product rather than a true competitor, intended (in his framing) to drain AST SpaceMobile's capital and investor confidence and claim first-to-commercialization status.

  • Kook Speculation 00:11:42

    Kook contrasts Starlink's line-of-sight, text-only, outdoor-only service with AST SpaceMobile's technology, which he says enables true indoor connectivity — a distinction later echoed by New Zealand carrier 2degree in discussing AST's beta service.

Anduril Radar Hiring Speculation and Dedicated Satellite Shell

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  • Kook Rumor 00:12:43

    AST SpaceMobile has recently posted a job opening for a head of radar; community member Ivan Hristrov pointed out Anduril is hiring for the exact same type of role, fueling speculation about a possible AST-Anduril radar partnership.

  • Kook Speculation 00:12:43

    Kook notes Palmer Luckey (Anduril's founder) is an ASTS investor and that Anduril has a strained relationship with SpaceX and depends on satellite technology for its products, which he says makes an AST-Anduril tie-up plausible.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:12:43

    AST SpaceMobile employee Satish Sharma posted that the company is hiring partner technical leads for Africa, Europe, and Japan, which Kook cites as evidence of continued global scaling.

  • Kook Speculation 00:35:10

    A radar-related job posting states the program is 'built around a dedicated, minimally modified derivative of ASTS's commercial satellite constellation,' which Kook and community member Tanner read as pointing to a separate, dedicated 'Blackbird' satellite shell for radar/government use, implying a much larger total satellite count than the core commercial constellation.

The "iTunes Phenomenon" and Global MNO Distribution

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  • Kook Speculation 00:14:36

    Kook describes AST SpaceMobile as benefiting from an 'iTunes phenomenon': rather than building market-by-market infrastructure, AST's constellation lets it instantly extend global reach across the many fragmented mobile network operators it has signed, a distribution advantage other connectivity-dependent products (e.g., a connected coffee machine) could leverage.

  • Kook Speculation 00:14:36

    Kook relays a conversation with a contact he calls 'Battery Commodity,' a former telecom executive, who noted how difficult it has historically been to bundle deals with every MNO worldwide to achieve unified global service — a problem AST SpaceMobile's model is positioned to solve as a distribution layer sitting on top of MNOs.

Stock Sentiment and the All-Time-High Chart

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  • Kook Untagged 00:16:16

    Community member @PluggingAway used Grok/AI to generate a chart of the number of days between AST SpaceMobile stock hitting new all-time highs, illustrating a long drought from 2021-2024 followed by a 'jagged' pattern of quicker but volatile new highs since.

  • Kook Untagged 00:16:16

    Kook recalls the stock's emotional swings — hitting $100 last October, crashing into Christmas around the BlueBird 6 launch, then ripping in early January while he was in Australia — as illustrative of how abruptly sentiment can shift.

  • Kook Speculation 00:16:16

    'Wave 3 Trades' noted that on May 7 the stock was around $65 and considered bleak, before SpaceX-related news reportedly caused the stock to double.

  • Kook Speculation 00:16:16

    Kook says catalysts he views as potentially market-moving in the near future include J-LEO progress in Japan, further evidence of the European JV as a 'global winner,' and simply another confirmed launch date for T-Mobile-related satellites.

David Einhorn's SpaceX Bubble Comments

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  • Kook Rumor 00:20:45

    David Einhorn (Greenlight Capital) publicly argued SpaceX is a bubble, citing an unnamed high-profile SpaceX holder's claim that the company will generate $1 trillion of high-margin revenue, and questioning valuations tied to space data centers, asteroid mining, and Mars travel.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:20:45

    Kook criticizes Einhorn for offering no independent research, never mentioning Starlink (which Kook calls the obvious basis for SpaceX's valuation) or SpaceX's near-monopoly on launch, and for citing anonymous investor comments (which Kook speculates may have come from Ron Baron) without context.

  • Kook Speculation 00:20:45

    Kook interprets Einhorn's dismissive commentary as a sentiment indicator suggesting the space sector may be near a bottom, comparing it to skepticism seen historically around the Google IPO and SaaS stocks.

Gavin Baker on Space Data Centers

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:25:41

    Kook cites an interview (shared by 'Fireside Alpha') in which investor Gavin Baker argues that skeptics dismissing space-based data centers as impossible are engaging in armchair criticism, whereas thousands of engineers at SpaceX, Blue Origin, Nvidia, and Google having independently converged on the same technology suggests it is a solved problem.

  • Kook Speculation 00:25:41

    Kook connects this argument to AST SpaceMobile's own roadmap, noting the company is now adding edge-compute capabilities to its BlueBirds and that commercial signs of this could emerge within 3-9 months.

Vodafone Enterprise Use Cases

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:29:30

    Kook cites an interview (shared by 'Only Six Inches') in which a Vodafone representative describes AST SpaceMobile's satellite connectivity as unlocking new enterprise verticals beyond consumer coverage — ports, oil industry, and agriculture — that were previously neglected because connectivity was unavailable or too costly to justify ROI.

Barron's Coverage and Berenberg Report

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  • Kook Untagged 00:30:34

    Kook notes he had pitched Barron's on covering AST SpaceMobile and is pleased the financial publication is now writing about the company, which he says builds awareness among older, established money managers.

  • Kook Speculation 00:30:34

    Citing 'SPAC Bobby,' Kook describes a Berenberg initiation report that models AST SpaceMobile's 2030 numbers with and without T-Mobile as a partner: adding T-Mobile would add roughly $1 billion of EBITDA, taking Berenberg's price target from $92 to $121 using a 15x EBITDA multiple.

  • Kook Speculation 00:30:34

    Kook says he believes the stock is more likely to eventually trade at 30-40x EBITDA rather than Berenberg's 15x multiple, given the company's growth and durability, though he calls that 'a problem for another day.'

Momentum Unwind Across Space Stocks

2
  • Kook Confirmed 00:33:01

    Anpanman published a comparative-returns chart showing BlackSky, Redwire, Planet Labs, and Rocket Lab (though not SpaceX) all down roughly 40% from June 11 through early September, showing little dispersion across the space sector.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:01

    Kook interprets the broad, undifferentiated decline as evidence the summer selloff was driven by a general high-beta momentum unwind across the sector rather than AST SpaceMobile-specific problems like competitive erosion, technology failure, or financing issues.

International Updates: 2degree, Rakuten, US Mobile, J-LEO, Europe

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:36:18

    New Zealand carrier 2degree gave interviews about upcoming beta services and specifically highlighted that indoor direct-to-device connectivity will be possible because of AST SpaceMobile's technology.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:36:18

    Rakuten also discussed upcoming service launches during the same period.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:36:18

    US Mobile discussed its partnership with both AST SpaceMobile and SpaceX, stating the service is coming in Q4.

  • Kook Speculation 00:41:10

    Kook says he expects updates soon on J-LEO (the Japan sovereign satellite program) and the European JV, and expects new AST SpaceMobile launch dates 'pretty soon.'

Closing Notes

1
  • Kook Speculation 00:41:10

    Kook says he will keep watching TLE data and expects a possible satellite shipment in the coming week, and notes that by mid-September AST SpaceMobile will be 'within a blink' of Blue Origin's New Glenn returning to the launch pad after its earlier pad explosion caused by a faulty valve.

Watch Items6

  • BlueBird 11 antenna deployment

    Expected once heightened solar activity subsides and full staffing resumes after Labor Day Kook 00:00:59
  • Blue Origin New Glenn return to the launch pad

    Expected around mid-September 2026 ('within a blink') Kook 00:41:10
  • Possible AST SpaceMobile satellite shipment

    Expected within the coming week per TLE data tracking Kook 00:41:10
  • New AST SpaceMobile launch dates

    Expected 'pretty soon' Kook 00:41:10
  • J-LEO (Japan sovereign satellite program) and European JV updates

    Ongoing, expected to advance in the near term Kook 00:16:16
  • US Mobile satellite partnership service launch

    Q4 (2026), per US Mobile Kook 00:36:18

Open Questions4

  • Why exactly has BlueBird 11 not yet deployed its antenna, and will it be confirmed as solar activity/staffing rather than a technical fault?

    Kook 00:00:59
  • Is AST SpaceMobile actually in talks with Anduril for a radar partnership, given the matching job postings?

    Kook 00:12:43
  • Will T-Mobile actually be added as an AST SpaceMobile partner, and if so, will it deliver the roughly $1 billion of incremental 2030 EBITDA modeled by Berenberg?

    Kook 00:30:34
  • How large could a dedicated 'Blackbird' satellite shell for government/radar use cases become, and how would it monetize relative to AST's core commercial constellation?

    Kook 00:35:10
2026-08-31 58:06

$ASTS Could Rip 10-20X From Here

Kook

Kook records this week's solo AST SpaceMobile recap amid a brutal selloff across space stocks. He compares ASTS's chart to Rocket Lab, Redwire, and Planet Labs to argue this is sector-wide dispersion, not a bursting bubble.

Kook highlights AST's latest production update: BlueBird 14 is complete, BlueBirds 15 and 16 are nearing completion, and work-in-progress now extends through satellite 48. He expects the next launch batch back on the pad around October, and cites the 2degrees New Zealand video-call demo as fresh third-party validation of direct-to-cell technology.

He covers Deutsche Bank flagging Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum as a likely ASTS target, probably structured as a joint venture rather than a cash buy. He also flags Clear Street's $7 billion 2034 revenue forecast as too low, and floats a data-centers-in-space opportunity tied to satellites 47 and 48's new compute capability.

Kook's headline view: despite the selloff and collapsed volatility, ASTS fundamentals remain intact, and he still sees 10-20x upside from here.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook, solo host of the AST SpaceMobile Podcast, argues the recent selloff in ASTS and peer space stocks (Rocket Lab, Redwire, Planet Labs) reflects sector-wide dispersion rather than a bursting bubble, since their charts move together in the short term but should diverge on fundamentals over time.
  • AST SpaceMobile's latest production update shows BlueBird 14 complete, BlueBirds 15 and 16 nearing completion, and work-in-progress now extending through satellite 48, with another batch of 3 satellites about to ship.
  • Kook expects AST's next satellite batch to be back on the launch pad around October, based on a recent company press release.
  • The 2degrees New Zealand direct-to-cell demo showed video calls and a new ground station enabling data sovereignty, which Kook cites as third-party validation since AST relies on partner-led demonstrations rather than in-house marketing footage.
  • Kook discusses hybrid tower-plus-satellite network architecture and cites Anpanman's estimate that 1-bar coverage gray zones make up 25-30% of MNO terrestrial coverage, a large addressable market for AST beyond fully uncovered areas.
  • Deutsche Bank concluded this week, consistent with prior community analysis, that AST is likely interested in Grain Management's 7x7 MHz 800 MHz spectrum block; Kook believes any deal would use a JV/partner structure similar to the Ligado transaction rather than a dilutive cash purchase.
  • Sell-side firm Clear Street forecasts AST could reach $7 billion of revenue by 2034; Kook considers this low and personally expects tens of billions of dollars, arguing ASTS trades cheaply (around 2x revenue) versus AT&T's roughly 2.6x revenue multiple.
  • Kook cites SpaceX President Gwen Shotwell's disclosure that she installed a Starlink terminal on her car due to poor cellular coverage on her commute, using it as evidence of how large the direct-to-device coverage-gap market really is.
  • Japan is seeking to increase H3 rocket launch frequency to 6-8 per year, which Kook speculates may be connected to the J-LEO sovereign satellite program with Rakuten and AST.
  • Blue Origin is still working to return New Glenn to the launch pad following its earlier pad explosion; Kook estimates this could happen around December 2026.
  • Kook relays an unconfirmed report that SpaceX has stopped launching Starlink missions from Cape Canaveral and moved them to Vandenberg, potentially freeing up Falcon 9 capacity at the Cape for third-party commercial launches including AST.
  • Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas has been discussing the idea of data centers moving to orbit, and satellite-compute startup StarCloud raised $250 million at a $2.3 billion valuation from investors including Nvidia, Cisco, Benchmark, and EQT.
  • AST has begun production of satellites 47 and 48, which Abel Avellan said on the company's quarterly earnings call will include added compute capability, tied to AST's data-centers-in-space/edge-compute ambitions.
  • Kook discusses SpaceX's stated plan to build a terrestrial small-cell network to compete directly with mobile carriers; wireless analyst Earl Lum called it 'one of the top 3 dumbest ideas' in his 4 decades in the industry, and Kook believes it is really negotiating leverage for an MVNO deal with T-Mobile that he doesn't expect to happen.
  • Kook theorizes that a roughly $100 billion 'Situational Awareness' long-AI hedge fund book, bought by Citadel after the fund blew up and now being unwound, is contributing to depressed implied volatility and the broader space-stock selloff, and expects volatility to return within a week or two.

Detailed Discussion11 topics

Market Sentiment and Sector Chart Comparison

6
  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook describes sentiment as rock-bottom ('the Kook Bottom'), noting technical-analysis-driven bearishness has people fearing ASTS could fall to $38, but he personally believes TA's statistical edge is mostly chance rather than a reliable signal.

  • Kook Untagged 00:02:19

    He pushes back on a critic who singled out ASTS's decline since June, pointing out that hundreds of other small-cap, event-driven stocks fell similarly over the same period, so the drop isn't unique to ASTS.

  • Kook Speculation 00:02:19

    Comparing ASTS's chart to Rocket Lab's, Kook argues both show the same short-term factor-risk-driven pattern but should diverge over time based on actual company results; he cites Rocket Lab's history of rallying from $5 to $30, pulling back to $17, then rallying again to $48 as an analogue for ASTS's volatile-but-upward trajectory.

  • Kook Speculation 00:02:19

    He argues this isn't a 'bubble popping' because true bubbles are mass hysterias with widespread buy-in that last a long time; by contrast this move felt short and narrow, more like sawtooth price discovery than a bubble.

  • Kook Untagged 00:02:19

    Kook cites a personal anecdote of sitting next to a State Department employee whose husband worked for Space Force, who told him space is the government's top defense priority, reinforcing his view that the sector has a tailwind, not a headwind.

  • Kook Speculation 00:13:05

    He notes a chart posted by @Wave3Trades showing ASTS, Rocket Lab, Redwire, and Planet Labs all forming the same 'descending wedge' pattern; he says he ran it through an AI tool which called it moderately bullish but adds he doesn't trust AI/TA chart-reading to be reliable.

Satellite Production Update

5
  • Kook Confirmed 00:06:51

    AST disclosed BlueBird 14 is complete, and BlueBirds 15 and 16 are nearing completion; Kook notes some investors were disappointed by the pace, but he isn't concerned.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:13:05

    Kook says a recent press release indicated AST expects to be 'back on the pad probably in October' with the next launch batch.

  • Kook Speculation 00:13:05

    He speculates that by year-end the company could plausibly have around 25 satellites in orbit, versus the earlier 45-satellite target, framing 45 as a number he never took literally ('45 was always this fake number').

  • Kook Confirmed 00:31:18

    On the production tally/WIP tracker he maintains, work-in-progress has jumped to now span through satellite 48, with another shipment of 3 satellites expected soon; he says the company hasn't disclosed exactly how many satellites deep the assembly line runs.

  • Kook Untagged 00:06:51

    He notes Bluebirds 12 and 13 unfolded together (two at a time) rather than one at a time as before, and that Bluebird 11 was hoped to be unfurling well, though full confirmation wasn't yet available.

Kook's Approach to Company Guidance

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:09:00

    Kook says his professional background working with private growth companies makes him largely dismissive of near-term guidance misses, arguing that companies executing something never done before (like ASTS) should not be judged the way Wall Street judges mature companies like Walmart.

  • Kook Speculation 00:09:00

    He argues delays in satellites 15/16 likely reflect rigorous testing rather than problems, and that catching issues on the ground is preferable to failures in space.

Product Validation and Hybrid Network Architecture

4
  • Kook Confirmed 00:18:32

    The 2degrees (New Zealand) CEO publicly demonstrated direct-to-cell video calls and a new ground station enabling data sovereignty for New Zealand; Kook frames this as consistent with AST's pattern of having the customer, not AST itself, showcase demos.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:18:32

    He contrasts this with what he characterizes as SpaceX's less rigorous demonstrations (e.g., a garbled text message), arguing 2degrees' video call demo is a stronger proof point.

  • Kook Untagged 00:22:00

    Kook explains the hybrid network concept using graphics from community member 'Katzi': towers alone create sharp coverage drop-offs, satellites alone provide broad but lower-peak coverage, and combining tower plus satellite beams meaningfully improves overall signal quality, which is why MNOs are excited.

  • Kook Speculation 00:22:00

    Citing Anpanman, Kook says 1-bar gray-zone coverage accounts for 25% to 30% of MNO terrestrial coverage, a much larger addressable market than the roughly 1% 'no coverage at all' figure often cited from FCC data.

Grain Management Spectrum Opportunity

2
  • Kook Confirmed 00:24:31

    Deutsche Bank published research this week concluding, similar to the retail community's prior view, that Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum (a 7x7 MHz low-band swath) would be attractive to ASTS.

  • Kook Speculation 00:24:31

    Kook believes ASTS is unlikely to buy the spectrum for cash outright and more likely to use a structure similar to the Ligado deal, potentially with the MNO joint venture as the counterparty that acquires the spectrum before conveying it to ASTS, avoiding a dilutive equity raise.

Valuation

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:26:24

    Sell-side firm Clear Street forecasts AST could generate $7 billion of revenue by 2034; Kook thinks this figure is too low and that the true number could scale into the tens of billions.

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:24

    He compares ASTS's roughly 2x current revenue multiple to AT&T's approximate 2.6x revenue multiple, arguing it seems improbable for a high-growth company with defensive moats to trade cheaper than a legacy telecom, implying the stock should re-rate higher.

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:24

    He draws an analogy to underestimating Google's 2004 opportunity, saying ASTS could similarly be underappreciated by Wall Street today given SpaceX competition concerns, but that MNO commercial advantages give him confidence in eventual large revenue outcomes and 10-20x stock upside.

Total Addressable Market

1
  • Kook Untagged 00:30:02

    Kook cites SpaceX President Gwen Shotwell's account of installing a Starlink terminal on her car (not using Starlink's direct-to-cell service) due to poor cellular coverage on her commute, as evidence of how large the coverage-gap market is.

Launch Capacity

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:32:11

    Japan is seeking to increase H3 rocket launch frequency to 6-8 per year 'to chase SpaceX'; Kook speculates this may not be a coincidence given the J-LEO program with Rakuten and AST.

  • Kook Speculation 00:32:11

    Blue Origin remains grounded following its earlier pad explosion, but Kook notes it's already been about three months and speculates the company could be back on the pad around December, citing David Limp's public updates.

  • Kook Rumor 00:32:11

    He relays an unconfirmed report that SpaceX has stopped launching Starlink cargo from Cape Canaveral and moved that traffic to Vandenberg, potentially freeing up significant Falcon 9 capacity at the Cape for commercial third-party launches like AST's; he says he is not certain this is accurate and is waiting on research partners to validate it.

Data Centers in Space

4
  • Kook Untagged 00:35:47

    Kook says Morgan Stanley analyst Adam Jonas has been discussing data centers moving to orbit, comparing it to terrestrial logistics analysis; Kook views Jonas as one of Wall Street's leading big-picture thinkers.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:35:47

    Satellite compute startup StarCloud, which puts Nvidia chips in orbit, raised $250 million at a $2.3 billion valuation, with strategic investors including Nvidia, Cisco, Benchmark, and EQT.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:35:47

    Kook notes AST is now producing satellite 48, and that Abel Avellan stated on the company's quarterly call that compute capability is being added starting with satellites 47 and 48, meaning AST has effectively already begun building its edge-compute satellites.

  • Kook Speculation 00:35:47

    He says this compute/data-center opportunity is 'non-zero' optionality on top of AST's core business, and while not his base case, it's possible the thesis could eventually pivot to make this the bigger opportunity.

Innovator's Dilemma and Competitive Landscape

4
  • Kook Speculation 00:44:36

    Kook argues legacy satellite operators failed to invest for the future and were disrupted by SpaceX and AST, similar to how 1990s on-premise software incumbents were disrupted by SaaS; he contrasts this with today's 'Mag Seven' tech leaders, who he says are more alert to disruption.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:45:23

    SpaceX is reported to have acquired TriStar's uplink spectrum licensing (around the preceding Friday), which pairs with its earlier EchoStar spectrum purchase.

  • Kook Speculation 00:45:23

    Discussing SpaceX's plan to build small cells for terrestrial mobile connectivity, Kook cites analyst Earl Lum of Earl Lum Wireless Research, who called it 'one of the top 3 dumbest ideas' in his 4 decades in the industry, noting a typical outdoor small cell (5 watts per channel) would be difficult to install residentially.

  • Kook Speculation 00:45:23

    Kook's own view is SpaceX won't actually build a competing terrestrial small-cell/MVNO network because it wouldn't generate attractive returns on assets; he believes this is negotiating posture aimed at securing an MVNO deal with T-Mobile, which he also doesn't expect to happen, an outcome he says would leave ASTS with all the MNOs and government revenue.

Situational Awareness Fund Unwind and Volatility Theory

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:47:43

    Kook theorizes that a fund called 'Situational Awareness,' which held roughly $100 billion of long-AI-correlated risk (long AI stocks and long AI-adjacent shorts), blew up and was bought by Citadel at about a 10% discount to market.

  • Kook Speculation 00:47:43

    He believes Citadel has been publicly liquidating that book, and that market makers' preference to avoid volatility during the illiquid August period may explain why implied volatility on ASTS has collapsed even as realized volatility (86 vol trailing 30 days, 73 vol trailing 10 days) remains elevated.

  • Kook Speculation 00:47:43

    He notes implied vol first stepped down around June 11th (from about 126 to 100) before falling further in August, and speculates that once the fund unwind completes in the next week or two, volatility and buying interest could return as retail re-engages.

Watch Items4

  • AST's next satellite launch batch expected back on the pad

    probably in October Kook 00:13:05
  • Blue Origin New Glenn's return to the launch pad after its earlier pad explosion

    Kook speculates possibly around December 2026 Kook 00:32:11
  • Potential freeing of SpaceX Falcon 9 launch capacity at Cape Canaveral (if Starlink missions have moved to Vandenberg)

    reported this week, unconfirmed Kook 00:32:11
  • Japan's H3 rocket launch cadence increase to 6-8 per year, possibly tied to the J-LEO program

    not specified Kook 00:32:11

Open Questions4

  • Is SpaceX's stated terrestrial small-cell network plan a genuine strategic move to become an MNO, or just negotiating leverage to force an MVNO deal with T-Mobile?

    Kook 00:45:23
  • Is the report accurate that SpaceX moved Starlink launches from Cape Canaveral to Vandenberg, freeing up Falcon 9 capacity at the Cape for AST and other commercial customers?

    Kook 00:32:11
  • Will the data-centers-in-space narrative burst into mainstream investor conversation, and if so, how soon?

    Kook 00:35:47
  • How will the Grain Management 800 MHz spectrum deal ultimately be structured, and will it be the MNO joint venture rather than ASTS directly that acquires the spectrum?

    Kook 00:24:31
2026-08-29 1:10:59

The Antonov Just Landed - Here's What It Means for ASTS

Anpanman

This solo episode of the AST SpaceMobile Podcast features host Anpanman, recorded the evening of August 29, 2026, as ASTS stock fell to $58 amid a broad market selloff. He explains the drop as macro-driven, not company-specific, tied to Fed governor Kevin Warsh's hawkish comments stoking September rate-hike fears.

Anpanman covers why Bluebird 14, 15, and 16 were delayed from a planned September shipment, likely due to a testing issue the team caught and fixed, now expecting an early October Falcon 9 launch. He details Space Mob due diligence on new shipping boxes and a fresh Antonov delivery of 7-8 composite rings from India, both pointing to a Q4 production and launch ramp.

He also walks through AST's deliberately low-key PR approach, including a quiet $125 million, three-year military contract disclosure from the Q2 2026 call, and contrasts the company's current $3.5 billion cash position and $1.3 billion backlog against its cash-strapped, pre-revenue 2022-2024 SPAC-era state.

Anpanman's headline message is that the selloff reflects sector-wide, rate-sensitive positioning rather than deteriorating AST fundamentals, and he closes with a pointed warning against using margin or being fully loaded on options during volatile markets.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile stock fell to $58 on August 29, 2026, as part of a broad high-beta and space-sector selloff triggered by Fed governor Kevin Warsh's hawkish comments raising September rate-hike fears, not by AST-specific news.
  • Anpanman believes Bluebird 14, 15, and 16 were delayed from a planned September shipment after the company likely found and fixed an issue during testing, and now expects an early October Falcon 9 launch instead.
  • Space Mob due diligence spotted roughly 4-5 (possibly 6) satellite shipping boxes near AST's facility, up from the usual 3, which Anpanman interprets as preparation to ship two satellite batches close together.
  • A new Antonov cargo flight delivered an estimated 7-8 composite ('donut') rings from India, which Anpanman guesses brings AST's composite-ring supply to roughly Bluebird 33-34, even though micron production is already complete through about 45-46.
  • AST disclosed $125 million in military contract awards over 3 years during its Q2 2026 earnings call without a dedicated press release, reflecting the company's historically conservative PR approach relative to peers.
  • SpaceX's stock has held up better than the rest of the space sector because roughly 45-50% of its revenue now comes from NeoCloud AI-compute leasing to Google and Anthropic, according to Anpanman's estimate.
  • Anpanman speculates the 'fourth' US MNO tied to the new AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile satellite joint venture may be the JV itself, potentially funded by contributed spectrum such as Grain Management's, alongside AST's direct agreements with each carrier.
  • Deutsche Telekom and T-Mobile are described as currently in talks with AST SpaceMobile, with no definitive agreements yet finalized.
  • SpaceX shifting Falcon 9 Starlink missions away from Cape Canaveral has freed up Falcon 9 manifest capacity, giving AST both scheduled and 'standby' launch options if other satellite companies miss their deadlines.
  • Citadel has recently become the top advertised-volume trader in AST SpaceMobile, Rocket Lab, and SpaceX shares, a shift Anpanman finds unusual and cannot fully explain.
  • Anpanman closes with a strong warning against using margin or being fully allocated in options during volatile markets, citing cases of investors being wiped out, and urges listeners to protect their mental health during the drawdown.

Detailed Discussion15 topics

Macro Environment and Fed Policy

4
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:46

    Fed governor Kevin Warsh came out hawkish today and appears to be setting up for a September rate hike, with hope that will be enough to let the Fed hold through October ahead of midterm elections.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:46

    He distinguishes the current environment from 2022, saying inflation today is 'persistent' rather than on a 'runaway course,' so the Fed doesn't need to hike as aggressively as it did then.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:38

    Warsh floated creating a new Fed framework using broader, more real-time data, which Anpanman thinks could give the Fed an 'out' to skip a September hike if updated data shows inflation near or below the 2% target.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:38

    He cites Truflation, a real-time inflation data provider, whose data suggests most areas are actually showing weakening/deflationary trends rather than the persistent inflation the Fed is citing.

Market Selloff and Sector Rotation

3
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:04:03

    Headline indices were roughly flat to modestly down today (Dow about flat, S&P off about a quarter percent, NASDAQ down 0.6%, Russell/IWM down 1.3%), even as high-beta sectors like crypto, quantum, neo-cloud, and space were 'completely shellacked.'

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:04:03

    He explains the divergence as a factor rotation: momentum was down roughly 3% on the day while value and software outperformed, letting the indices look calm at a high level despite severe high-beta losses.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 01:04:16

    ASTS closed today at $58, down from about $72-73 a few days earlier; the stock had also fallen from the low-90s at the end of June down to $52 before rebounding to the low $70s and now sliding back to $58.

Venezuela Oil and Strait of Hormuz

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:16

    He notes reports that the US has 'almost taken over' Venezuela's oil and speculates oil prices should start coming down as a result, though it's uncertain.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:16

    He cites a US general's comments that the Strait of Hormuz has largely been secured with oil traffic flowing, saying he trusts that account more than statements from Trump or Iranian news agencies.

Why AST Isn't the Reason Space Stocks Are Down

4
  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:07:35

    He pushes back on an X post claiming ASTS won't recover until production cadence stabilizes, pointing out the entire space and high-beta sector — quantum, neo-cloud, semiconductors — sold off together, so AST-specific news wouldn't have mattered much today.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:35

    He argues investors look for company-specific explanations during drawdowns as a coping mechanism, citing Virgin Galactic's unexplained rally to around $8 earlier in the year as an example of pure sector beta with no underlying fundamental improvement.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:07:35

    As background, he recalls Bluebird 7 failed to reach a usable orbit earlier this year because Blue Origin's New Glenn second stage didn't complete its second burn (not AST's fault), and a routine Blue Origin static-fire test in May destroyed the New Glenn launch pad and vehicle, both setting back AST's launch plans.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:35

    He guesses the damaged New Glenn pad will be back in service in the first few weeks of January, and that the vehicle will likely need 2-3 successful non-AST commercial missions before carrying AST satellites, so SpaceX is expected to handle AST's next several launches.

SpaceX's Resilience and NeoCloud Revenue

4
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:46

    He estimates SpaceX's NeoCloud (AI compute) leasing revenue now makes up roughly 45-50% of total company revenue, driven by deals with Google and Anthropic reportedly structured on short, roughly 3-month lease terms.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:46

    He compares NeoCloud-heavy names like IREN, saying it trades around 3x 2028 EBITDA and about 8x next year's EBITDA, reflecting market skepticism about the durability of AI compute leasing revenue.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:46

    He notes Street 2030 revenue estimates for SpaceX are around $415 billion versus Elon Musk's own stated goal of reaching $3 trillion by 2030.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:10:46

    He recalls skepticism when xAI merged with SpaceX given xAI's losses, but says the subsequent NeoCloud compute deals with Google and Anthropic proved to be a surprisingly lucrative revenue source.

Bluebird 14-16 Shipment Delay

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:50

    His theory is that AST originally planned a September Falcon 9 launch with near-term shipment of Bluebird 14, 15, and 16, but found and fixed an issue during testing, pushing the likely launch to early October.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:50

    He frames the delay positively, saying catching and fixing an issue in testing shows the testing process is working, which matters more for AST than for Starlink since AST isn't launching enough satellites to treat any as expendable if one gets 'bricked' in space.

Satellite Production Due Diligence: Boxes and Antonov Rings

5
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:50

    Space Mob due diligence spotted what he counts as 4 boxes outside and probably 1 inside AST's facility (5 total, versus the usual 3), which he interprets as preparation to ship two satellite batches close together.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:50

    He guesses this could mean two launches in October, or one shipment near the start of November and another in late November, depending on how production and the box rotation plays out.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:36:41

    A new Antonov cargo flight delivered an estimated 7-8 composite 'donut' rings from India; based on his running count of prior deliveries, he estimates AST's composite ring supply is now at roughly Bluebird 33-34, even though micron (subcomponent) production is already complete through about 45-46.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:36:41

    He recalls reports from around January 2026 that an early batch of composite rings from India had defects requiring redesign or reinforcement, and says the design now appears solid given six satellites have safely reached orbit without ring failures.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:36:41

    He suggests flying rings in via Antonov rather than shipping by boat signals AST wants to accelerate ring supply to ramp production and shipping cadence toward the second half of Q4 2026, possibly reaching two launches per month.

AST's Conservative PR Philosophy

3
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:41

    He rates AST roughly a '4 or 5' out of 10 on a promotional-to-hermit scale, attributing this to CEO Abel Avellan's engineering-focused, execution-over-talk mentality, recalling a conversation with Adriana Cisneros at the BlueWalker 3 launch confirming being promotional 'is not Abel's DNA.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:41

    He contrasts AST with more promotional post-SPAC peers like Enovix and Eos Energy, arguing investors who left AST for those companies during 2023-2024 due to frustration with AST's communication were ultimately 'brutalized.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:41

    He describes AST's Q2 2026 earnings call as 'chock-full of information' that wasn't repeated in press releases, arguing the company discloses material information on calls even when it doesn't blast out PR for every item.

$125M Military Awards and Government Contracts

3
  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:25:16

    AST disclosed 3 government/military contract awards worth $125 million over 3 years on the Q2 2026 call without a dedicated press release; he says these are firm award amounts excluding options or contract ceiling value, unlike some peers who headline larger option/ceiling figures.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:16

    He speculates AST's government or subprime counterparties may prefer the company not widely publicize such awards.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:53:34

    Scott Wisniewski said on the Q2 2026 call that the company plans to talk publicly about these government awards soon, though Anpanman thinks AST will likely wait until market sentiment stabilizes since such news would currently 'fall on deaf ears.'

Fundamentals Today vs. the 2022-2024 SPAC Era

4
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:31:39

    He contrasts AST's current position — over $3.5 billion in cash, a $1.3 billion contracted backlog, partnerships with all top MNOs, and numerous defense awards, at a roughly $20+ billion valuation — against its 2022-2024 state as a roughly $700 million, pre-revenue company with only about $100 million of cash left and no commercial satellites yet launched.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:31:39

    He argues the Ligado spectrum deal alone, once deployed, could be worth $20 billion, roughly matching the company's current market valuation and implying the rest of the business is effectively 'free' at current prices.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:31:39

    He notes AST has launched two batches of Block 2 satellites successfully and deployed nearly all of them, expecting a press release for Bluebird 11's successful antenna unfold 'probably on Monday.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:31:39

    He says a tweeted production-pipeline update shows AST has materials for satellites up through roughly Bluebird 48, and the company has 'line of sight' to 45 satellites, which he says is enough to provide commercial service.

Falcon 9 Manifest and Launch Cadence

3
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:40:39

    He says SpaceX will no longer launch Falcon 9 Starlink missions from Cape Canaveral; future Starlink V3 launches will use Starship from Cape Canaveral, while V2/Mini/Direct-to-Cell Starlinks will launch from Vandenberg, California, freeing up Falcon 9 manifest capacity at Cape Canaveral.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:40:39

    He explains a 'standby' option where AST could take over a Falcon 9 slot from another satellite company (he mentions Telesat and OneWeb as examples) that misses its scheduled deadline, at a lower cost than a dedicated launch.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:40:39

    He confirms AST had a Falcon 9 launch scheduled for September that has now been pushed to October, with a few more Falcon 9 launches expected later this year plus potential standby launch opportunities.

Fourth US MNO and Deutsche Telekom/T-Mobile Talks

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 01:01:18

    He speculates the 'fourth' MNO relationship discussed around the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile satellite joint venture may actually be the JV itself, potentially funded by contributed spectrum (e.g., from Grain Management) and infrastructure, operating alongside AST's direct definitive agreements with each carrier.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:01:18

    He says Deutsche Telekom and T-Mobile are currently in talks with AST SpaceMobile, without giving a timeline for when any agreements might be finalized.

Citadel Trading Activity

2
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:53:34

    He notes Citadel has recently become the top advertised-volume trader in AST, Rocket Lab, and SpaceX shares; over the trailing 7 days Citadel traded about 4.5 million AST shares versus 3 million for Morgan Stanley, 1.5 million each for JPMorgan and Merrill, and 1.2 million for Virtu (largely retail flow).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:53:34

    He says daily AST volume has been low this summer (about 6.6 million shares the prior day, 9.4 million today), and flags that Citadel was previously not an active trader in SPAC-origin stocks like AST before the 'Situational Awareness' blowup, calling the sudden shift 'weird' and something he can't fully explain.

Troll Comment and Rebuttal

2
  • Unidentified guest Rumor 01:01:18

    A listener ('Tim') posted a Mandarin-language message calling AST 'doomed,' accusing the company of deception and poor execution, and predicting the stock would go to zero and the company would go bankrupt.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 01:01:18

    He responds that Tim appears to be an overleveraged investor venting after losses, and reiterates that AST's fundamentals and execution have improved, citing ongoing talks with Deutsche Telekom and T-Mobile as evidence the company's position has 'never been better.'

Margin, Options, and Mental Health Warning

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  • Anpanman Untagged 01:04:16

    He strongly warns against using margin as a primary strategy, recommending it only be used tactically at around 5-10% of a position with strict risk limits, and warns against being 'fully loaded' on options since a poor macro backdrop can overwhelm a correct company-specific thesis.

  • Anpanman Untagged 01:04:16

    He recounts an acquaintance ('Jacob') and another recent case of investors cycling through large gains and near-total wipeouts using margin, describing an 'I need to make it all back' psychology that drives people to ruin.

  • Anpanman Untagged 01:04:16

    He shares a personal anecdote about losing about $9,000 gambling alone in Vegas as a young investment banking analyst, comparing solo margin/options trading without peer accountability to gambling without a 'regulator.'

  • Anpanman Untagged 01:09:29

    He closes by urging listeners to mute or block trolls rather than engage with them, and to prioritize mental health during the drawdown, noting 'everybody's had a pretty rough go of it.'

Watch Items6

  • Falcon 9 launch of Bluebird 14, 15, and 16 (Block 2)

    Early October 2026 (pushed back from a planned September launch) Anpanman 00:17:50
  • Possible second satellite shipment/launch batch

    Two launches in October, or one near the start of November and another in late November 2026 Anpanman 00:21:50
  • Bluebird 11 antenna unfold press release

    Expected 'probably on Monday' Anpanman 00:31:39
  • Blue Origin New Glenn launch pad returning to service after May static-fire explosion

    Guessed at 'the first few weeks of January' Anpanman 00:07:35
  • Public disclosure of AST's 3 new government contract awards

    Soon, per Scott Wisniewski on the Q2 2026 call, though Anpanman expects AST to wait for markets to stabilize Anpanman 00:53:34
  • Ramp toward a higher satellite launch cadence, potentially 2 launches per month

    Second half of Q4 2026 (November-December) Anpanman 00:36:41

Open Questions3

  • What exact structure will the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile satellite joint venture take, and will it effectively function as AST's 'fourth' US MNO relationship, potentially via contributed spectrum like Grain Management's?

    Anpanman 01:01:18
  • Why has Citadel suddenly become the top advertised-volume trader across AST, Rocket Lab, and SpaceX shares, when it wasn't previously an active trader in SPAC-origin names?

    Anpanman 00:53:34
  • Will Deutsche Telekom and T-Mobile's current talks with AST convert into definitive commercial agreements, and on what timeline?

    Anpanman 01:01:18
2026-08-24 45:13

Why SpaceX Secretly Fears $ASTS (Insider Call Leaked)

Kook

This is a solo weekly recap from Kook of the AST SpaceMobile Podcast, published August 24, 2026, with no other named host or guest present. Kook connects the White House's new National Space Transportation Policy to a SpaceX insider expert call and the ongoing Grain spectrum saga.

Kook argues the White House's August 20, 2026 National Space Transportation Policy is a government-driven tailwind for ASTS, comparing it to past government-backed capital cycles like the US housing boom and China's commodity supercycle. He calls the current period a 'tooling phase' where infrastructure is built quietly before a visible payoff.

Kook relays commentary from a SpaceX expert-network call claiming SpaceX systemically dismissed ASTS as a competitor and alienated MNOs like Verizon, AT&T, and Vodafone with aggressive upfront-payment demands, pushing them toward ASTS instead. He also covers a new Vodafone Portugal direct-to-cell deal, Elon Musk's denial that SpaceX is bidding on Grain's spectrum, and an FCC filing hinting at an undisclosed ASTS-T-Mobile testing agreement now tied to the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture.

Kook's headline conclusion is that SpaceX's aggressive competitive posture has ironically strengthened ASTS's commercial moat with MNOs, and that Grain spectrum, Ligado approval, and a Japan J-LEO contract announcement are the near-term catalysts he is watching.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook hosted this AST SpaceMobile Podcast weekly recap solo on August 24, 2026; no other named host or guest appeared.
  • The White House signed a National Space Transportation Policy on August 20, 2026, which Kook frames as a generational government-driven tailwind for the satellite direct-to-cell industry, comparing it to past government-backed capital cycles like the US housing boom and China's commodity supercycle.
  • FCC Chairman Brendan Carr publicly responded to the policy, calling boosting the space economy a key pillar of the administration's 'Build America' agenda, and the policy text also references supporting ubiquitous satellite-enabled global broadband access.
  • Kook relayed commentary from an outside SpaceX expert-network (Tegus-style) call claiming SpaceX systemically dismissed ASTS as a serious competitor and did not prepare an adequate competitive response.
  • Per the same expert call, SpaceX was evaluated by Verizon, AT&T, and Vodafone but all three reportedly chose ASTS instead, citing ASTS's friendlier revenue-share approach versus SpaceX's demands for large upfront payments per subscriber.
  • Kook believes SpaceX's aggressive, competitive posture toward MNOs backfired by pushing carriers toward ASTS and creating consensus among MNOs (who also control spectrum standards) to favor ASTS over SpaceX.
  • Kook stated his strong belief that T-Mobile will eventually drop SpaceX/Starlink in favor of ASTS, though he says he has no idea when that might happen or what the stock reaction would be.
  • Vodafone announced a new deal with Satellite Connect Europe (the AST-Vodafone joint venture) to launch satellite mobile connections in Portugal; Kook noted the stock did not move on this news.
  • Bloomberg reported that SpaceX and AST SpaceMobile were seeking to buy Grain Management's spectrum, valued around $6 billion; Elon Musk publicly denied that SpaceX is pursuing this spectrum.
  • Kook laid out three possible outcomes for Grain's 7x7 MHz nationwide spectrum: SpaceX buying it for cash, ASTS buying it (which he doubts, since ASTS lacks $6 billion in spare cash and prefers upfront-payment-plus-revenue-share-plus-equity structures like its Ligado deal), or Verizon/AT&T/T-Mobile leasing or acquiring it in conjunction with ASTS, which Kook views as most likely.
  • Kook said he expects the Grain spectrum situation to be settled within September 2026.
  • An FCC filing related to Grain's Special Temporary Authority initially included a clause requiring compliance with 'existing agreements between ASTS and T-Mobile,' which was later removed in a revised filing; Kook interprets this as evidence of a previously undisclosed ASTS-T-Mobile spectrum testing relationship now tied to the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture.
  • Kook noted AT&T COO Jeff McElfresh publicly congratulated ASTS on spectrum testing that nominally belongs to Grain/T-Mobile, which Kook reads as evidence the testing actually relates to spectrum the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture will control.
  • Goldman Sachs forecasts a $1.8 trillion space economy by 2035, which Kook cites as supporting the scale of the opportunity he sees in ASTS.
  • Kook compared ASTS favorably to Rocket Lab and Redwire, noting Redwire's roughly 5% gross margins in 2025 as evidence it is not a 'platform winner' the way he views ASTS.
  • Kook said he expects a satellite shipment announcement from AST SpaceMobile 'next week' (early September 2026).
  • Kook said a handshake agreement for Japan's J-LEO sovereign satellite contract has already occurred, with a formal announcement expected in roughly a month or two given Japan's slower deal timelines.

Detailed Discussion7 topics

White House National Space Transportation Policy

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:01:36

    The White House released the National Space Transportation Policy on August 20, 2026, which Kook frames as a seminal government opportunity to advance American launch capacity, arguing that all other satellite capabilities depend on having enough launch capacity to get satellites into orbit.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:01:36

    FCC Chairman Brendan Carr responded publicly that 'boosting the space economy is a key pillar of our Build America agenda,' and Kook notes the policy text also explicitly supports 'ubiquitous satellite-enabled communications for global broadband internet access,' not just launch capacity.

  • Kook Speculation 00:04:00

    Kook compares this policy moment to historical 'tooling phase' precedents where government action set the stage for a later capital cycle before the broad market noticed: Bill Clinton-era housing policy juicing Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac ahead of the housing boom, and China's entry into the WTO unleashing a commodity supercycle that oil and steel markets did not price in until years later (citing oil hitting roughly $148 around the SemGroup collapse in 2007-08).

  • Kook Speculation 00:07:05

    Kook argues that when the US government 'puts its thumb on the scale' with a directive like this, it tends to create undue flows of liquidity toward the favored sector, similar to how mortgage-rate policy prior to the 2008 financial crisis drove huge capital inflows into housing; he sees the current space policy as an analogous, deliberate distortion meant to accelerate US space/launch capacity.

SpaceX Expert Call: Competitive Dismissal and MNO Strategy Backfiring

5
  • Kook Rumor 00:10:39

    Kook relayed commentary from an outside expert-network call (referred to as a 'Tigas'/Tegus-style call) in which the interviewee, described as very transparent, said SpaceX systemically dismissed ASTS as a competitor, believing AST would never achieve the manufacturing capability to build out its constellation.

  • Kook Rumor 00:13:02

    Per the same call, SpaceX was formally evaluated by Verizon, AT&T, and Vodafone as a potential D2D partner, but all reportedly chose ASTS instead; the call source is quoted as saying 'ASTS has a much more friendly approach in the revenue share models and seems to be more of a partner than a competitive threat,' compared to SpaceX which was seen as demanding large upfront payments and guaranteed payments per subscriber.

  • Kook Speculation 00:13:02

    Kook argues that SpaceX's overt statements (including from Gwynne Shotwell and Elon Musk on earnings calls) about going after MNO customers directly have made it harder for SpaceX to win MNO partnership agreements, since it is now seen as a competitive threat rather than a partner.

  • Kook Speculation 00:13:02

    Kook, citing Anpanman's public commentary, relayed the view that 'the best thing that ever happened to ASTS was SpaceX entering as a competitor,' because SpaceX's aggressive posture created urgency and consensus among MNOs to back ASTS instead.

  • Kook Speculation 00:17:51

    Kook states his strong belief that T-Mobile will eventually drop SpaceX/Starlink and move to ASTS as its satellite partner, explicitly saying he has no idea when this will happen or what the stock's reaction would be, though he hopes for a large single-day stock move when it does.

Vodafone Portugal Deal and Tooling-Phase Thesis

4
  • Kook Confirmed 00:18:52

    Vodafone announced a 'pioneering agreement with Satellite Connect Europe to launch satellite mobile connections in Portugal,' adding another country to the AST-Vodafone European joint venture's footprint.

  • Kook Speculation 00:18:52

    Kook notes the ASTS stock did not move on the Vodafone Portugal announcement, framing this as typical of the current 'tooling phase' where positive commercial news is not yet reflected in the share price because the resulting revenue is not yet visible.

  • Kook Speculation 00:20:39

    Kook describes the current period as the 'tooling phase' — the wiring and hook-up work that will eventually drive large revenue generation but is not yet visible to generalist investors covering many stocks, comparing his search for this kind of conviction to a similar but ultimately unrealized 'spirit vision' he once had on Joby.

  • Kook Speculation 00:20:39

    Kook uses a news story about a French tourist who died in Death Valley due to lack of cell service as an example of the 'gray zone'/'not spot' coverage gap opportunity that AST SpaceMobile-enabled spectrum, including the Grain 7x7 MHz spectrum, could help solve nationwide.

Grain Spectrum, Ligado, and Gray Zone Coverage

7
  • Kook Speculation 00:23:05

    Kook describes the Grain spectrum as a nationwide 7x7 MHz slug that he doesn't think ASTS strictly needs but views as a 'nice to have,' capable of providing ubiquitous gray-zone ('not spot') coverage nationwide when paired with ASTS's technology.

  • Kook Speculation 00:23:05

    Kook credits community researcher 'Justin Bar23' with tracking the Ligado FCC docket, which remains active; Kook calls Ligado 'telecom's Afghanistan' — a historically cursed asset that many well-resourced players have chased and failed to secure — but says he remains optimistic given the current administration's regulatory priorities.

  • Kook Rumor 00:24:23

    Bloomberg published an article claiming SpaceX and AST SpaceMobile were seeking to buy Grain's spectrum, valued around $6 billion; Elon Musk publicly denied SpaceX was pursuing the deal, calling it fake news.

  • Kook Speculation 00:24:23

    Kook argues the Grain spectrum would be unattractive to SpaceX because its satellites can't handle low-band spectrum, the price is high, and there is a risk of losing the spectrum if it is not 'lit up' by a deadline Kook believes is 2029 (stated with hedging, 'I believe').

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:10

    Kook lays out game theory around the Grain sale: Grain's bankers could leak false SpaceX interest to induce ASTS to bid against itself; SpaceX could buy it for cash given uncertainty over whether it would deploy the spectrum; ASTS could buy it but likely lacks the $6 billion in cash and would prefer a Ligado-style upfront-payment-plus-revenue-share-plus-equity structure; or Verizon, AT&T, and T-Mobile could lease/acquire it jointly with ASTS, which Kook views as the most likely and most economically sensible outcome given full US-market deployment certainty and public-interest benefits.

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:10

    Kook states the Grain spectrum situation appears to be aiming for resolution within September 2026.

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:10

    Kook frames a Grain-to-ASTS outcome as a proof point of what he calls the 'Catsy theorem' — his view that spectrum will ultimately flow to whichever operator can deploy it most efficiently, implying ASTS is the low-cost producer that spectrum will gravitate toward.

FCC Filing Clues on ASTS, T-Mobile, and AT&T

4
  • Kook Confirmed 00:32:03

    Kook, again crediting Justin Bar23, described an FCC filing tied to Grain's spectrum Special Temporary Authority: an initial version included a clause requiring 'all operations under this grant of STA must comply with all existing agreements between ASTS and T-Mobile,' which was then removed in a revised filing.

  • Kook Speculation 00:32:03

    Kook offers two readings of the removed clause: it may have inadvertently revealed a non-public ASTS-T-Mobile contract, or it revealed a real prior testing agreement that became moot once the spectrum transaction with Grain closed and T-Mobile was no longer the relevant counterparty; either way, Kook concludes ASTS had been testing on this spectrum with T-Mobile.

  • Kook Speculation 00:32:03

    Kook notes AT&T COO Jeff McElfresh publicly congratulated ASTS on testing on the Grain-related spectrum, and argues McElfresh's interest only makes sense if that spectrum ultimately relates to the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture, reinforcing his view that the JV is built around ASTS's technology to the exclusion of SpaceX.

  • Kook Rumor 00:32:03

    Kook argues the same SpaceX expert call corroborated that the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture is partly a mechanism to prevent SpaceX from pressuring T-Mobile into an MVNO agreement, citing SpaceX's public FTC complaint about the JV shortly after its announcement as further evidence of this dynamic.

Goldman Sachs Forecast and Competitive Positioning

3
  • Kook Confirmed 00:36:57

    Goldman Sachs forecasts a $1.8 trillion 'second space age' space economy by 2035, which Kook cites as evidence of the scale of the opportunity underlying his ASTS thesis.

  • Kook Speculation 00:36:57

    Kook says he remains confident in ASTS despite the stock languishing in the 70s, stating that whether the stock is ultimately worth $2,000, $1,000, or $500 doesn't change his conviction that the company is still in the early tooling phase of a platform shift.

  • Kook Speculation 00:41:02

    Kook compared ASTS to Rocket Lab and Redwire, criticizing an unnamed space investor's top-10 list; he singled out Redwire's roughly 5% gross margins in 2025 as evidence it is an engineered-services business without pricing power or platform economics, unlike ASTS which he sees as a platform winner with real existing revenue.

Crypto Tangent and Looking Ahead

3
  • Kook Untagged 00:42:23

    Kook briefly discussed working on crypto investments at his firm, citing Hyperliquid as an example of a business with unusual characteristics he found compelling within the broader, often-dismissed crypto sector, drawing a parallel to how space and crypto are both easily dismissed by generalist investors.

  • Kook Speculation 00:43:26

    Kook said he expects a satellite shipment announcement from AST SpaceMobile 'next week' as August ends, and is hoping for progress on Grain spectrum and a Ligado approval in the near term.

  • Kook Speculation 00:43:26

    Kook said a handshake agreement for Japan's J-LEO sovereign satellite contract has already occurred and that he considers it as good as a signed contract, with the formal announcement expected in roughly a month or two given Japan's slower deal-announcement timelines.

Watch Items4

  • Expected satellite shipment announcement from AST SpaceMobile

    Next week (early September 2026) Kook 00:43:26
  • Resolution of the Grain Management 7x7 MHz spectrum sale/lease (SpaceX, ASTS, or the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture)

    Expected to be settled within September 2026 Kook 00:26:10
  • Ligado FCC spectrum docket approval

    Ongoing/active docket, no specific date given, hoped for soon Kook 00:23:05
  • Formal announcement of Japan's J-LEO sovereign satellite contract with Rakuten/ASTS

    Roughly a month or two from this episode Kook 00:43:26

Open Questions4

  • When will T-Mobile drop SpaceX/Starlink in favor of ASTS, and how will the stock react when it happens?

    Kook 00:17:51
  • Who will ultimately acquire or lease Grain's 7x7 MHz spectrum — SpaceX, ASTS directly, or the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture in conjunction with ASTS?

    Kook 00:26:10
  • What exactly was the ASTS-T-Mobile agreement referenced in an FCC filing clause that was later removed, and what does its removal signify about the current state of that relationship?

    Kook 00:32:03
  • When and in what form will the Japan J-LEO contract be formally announced, beyond the handshake agreement already reached?

    Kook 00:43:26
2026-08-22 8:30

AST SpaceMobile: AT&T COO's Bullish Grain Spectrum Post

Anpanman

This is a short solo update from Anpanman on the AST SpaceMobile Podcast, recorded late on a Friday night. He flags a LinkedIn post from AT&T Chief Operating Officer Jeff McElfresh that he says is one of the most bullish signals he has seen recently.

McElfresh publicly congratulated AST SpaceMobile on receiving an FCC Special Temporary Authority to test Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum, posting before a Bloomberg article on Grain's spectrum sale even hit the wires. Anpanman notes Grain's 800 MHz sits directly adjacent to AT&T and Verizon's 850 MHz holdings, potentially allowing a wider combined channel for satellite service.

He argues the post implies AT&T, and by extension the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile satellite joint venture, is coordinating with AST and Grain rather than competing for the spectrum. He contrasts this with Bloomberg's report that Grain is seeking $6 billion for the spectrum with AST or SpaceX as possible buyers, a claim Elon Musk denied.

Anpanman's headline takeaway is that the spectrum is likely destined for the carrier joint venture and AST, with a first round of buyer interest expected in early September and satellite shipping updates said to be imminent.

Key Takeaways

  • AT&T Chief Operating Officer Jeff McElfresh posted on LinkedIn congratulating AST SpaceMobile on receiving an FCC Special Temporary Authority (STA) to test Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum, and the post went up before a Bloomberg article on Grain's spectrum sale was published.
  • Anpanman says some Space Mob members initially misread McElfresh's post as referring to AST's older 850 MHz spectrum approval; he clarifies it actually refers to the new Grain Management 800 MHz STA.
  • Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum sits directly adjacent to AT&T's and Verizon's 850 MHz holdings on both the uplink and downlink sides, which Anpanman says could allow the bands to be combined into a wider channel for satellite-based connectivity.
  • Anpanman interprets McElfresh's post, including its reference to AT&T's satellite joint venture, as evidence that AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile are coordinating with AST SpaceMobile on the Grain spectrum rather than competing against it for ownership.
  • A Bloomberg report claimed Grain Management is seeking $6 billion for its spectrum, with AST SpaceMobile or SpaceX as potential buyers; Elon Musk publicly denied the report, though Anpanman is unsure how much of the denial to take at face value.
  • T-Mobile has economic upside tied to usage of Grain Management's spectrum, which Anpanman believes gives T-Mobile incentive to discourage Grain from selling the spectrum to SpaceX.
  • Anpanman expects the first round of buyer interest in Grain Management's spectrum process to be due around the first week of September 2026, roughly two weeks after this recording.
  • Anpanman says satellite shipping updates for AST SpaceMobile are expected imminently, possibly over the weekend following this recording, addressing community frustration that shipping updates have been slow to arrive.

Detailed Discussion4 topics

AT&T COO Jeff McElfresh's LinkedIn post

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:58

    Jeff McElfresh, AT&T's Chief Operating Officer, posted on LinkedIn the day before this recording, congratulating AST SpaceMobile on receiving an FCC Special Temporary Authority (STA) to test Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum; the post went up before the Bloomberg article on Grain's spectrum sale was published.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:58

    Anpanman says he initially missed the post and dismissed early mentions of it as people referencing an old McElfresh quote plus the Grain spectrum news, but on closer look realized it was new and highly bullish.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:00:58

    Some in Space Mob misread the post as congratulating AST on its long-ago 850 MHz spectrum approval; Anpanman clarifies that was not the case and the post specifically references the new Grain Management 800 MHz STA.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:58

    Anpanman notes Jeff McElfresh is intimately involved with and aware of AST SpaceMobile, and that AT&T CEO John Stankey defers to McElfresh on AST matters because McElfresh has the most detailed knowledge of the working relationship, including Ligado spectrum matters and testing happening with Grain Management.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:58

    Anpanman reads McElfresh's post in full: "One great musician doesn't make an orchestra. Similarly, connectivity doesn't need just one technology. It needs the right technologies working together in harmony. Last week marked another key milestone for AST SpaceMobile with the work underway to close America's connectivity gaps. Satellite-based internet service isn't a replacement for advanced fiber or 5G connectivity, but rather a complementary technology we'll use to bring AT&T customers the best possible connectivity experience wherever they go. The goal here is simple: help people stay connected in rural communities, remote areas, and other places that can't be reached with traditional wireless and fiber infrastructure."

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:58

    Anpanman calls the post bullish because it implies AT&T is supportive of AST working with Grain Management, and its reference to "industry collaboration" building on the joint venture implies AT&T's satellite joint venture is working closely with AST and Grain to deploy the spectrum for satellite services.

Grain's 800 MHz spectrum adjacency and joint venture implications

2
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:58

    Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum, on both the uplink and downlink sides, sits directly adjacent to ("buttresses") AT&T's and Verizon's 850 MHz spectrum, which could allow the bands to be combined into a wider channel to provide better satellite service.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:58

    Anpanman argues this adjacency, combined with McElfresh's post, suggests the big carriers are working with AST inside the joint venture, and that prior community speculation that the Grain spectrum would ultimately be used by or folded into the joint venture is now effectively confirmed by McElfresh choosing to make this public statement.

Bloomberg's $6 billion Grain spectrum report and T-Mobile's stake

5
  • Anpanman Rumor 00:00:58

    A Bloomberg article reported that Grain Management is seeking $6 billion in a spectrum sale, and that AST SpaceMobile or SpaceX were potentially interested buyers.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:58

    Elon Musk denied the Bloomberg report, though Anpanman says it's unclear whether to take his denial fully at face value or whether only certain parts of the report were being denied.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:58

    Anpanman's key takeaway is that AT&T and the joint venture are likely to end up with the spectrum in some form and that AST will be the one lighting it up, effectively negating the premise that SpaceX would acquire it.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:58

    T-Mobile has some economic upside tied to usage of Grain Management's spectrum; Anpanman assumes T-Mobile is likely leaning on Grain not to sell the spectrum to SpaceX, since a friendly sale to Grain being later used against the carriers by SpaceX would be counterproductive for T-Mobile.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:58

    Anpanman says the first round of buyer interest in Grain's spectrum process is supposed to be due the first week of September, approximately two weeks after this recording, and expects news to emerge around that process; he notes that if things stay quiet, that's likely a good sign since AST's side typically does not leak information.

Shipping update and closing thoughts

1
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:58

    Anpanman acknowledges Space Mob has been frustrated that satellite shipping updates haven't come soon enough, but says he believes shipping is truly imminent and expects an update, possibly over the coming weekend.

Watch Items2

  • First round of buyer interest in Grain Management's spectrum sale process

    First week of September (approximately 2 weeks from this recording) Anpanman 00:00:58
  • Next AST SpaceMobile satellite shipping update

    Imminent, possibly over the weekend following this recording Anpanman 00:00:58

Open Questions2

  • Whether Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum will ultimately be sold to a third party like SpaceX, folded into the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture, or otherwise made available for AST SpaceMobile's use.

    Anpanman 00:00:58
  • How much of Elon Musk's denial of the Bloomberg report (that Grain is seeking $6 billion with AST or SpaceX as potential buyers) should be taken at face value.

    Anpanman 00:00:58
2026-08-21 48:32

AST SpaceMobile - The $6 Billion Spectrum War With SpaceX

Anpanman

This solo AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode features Anpanman, who unpacks a Bloomberg report claiming SpaceX and AST SpaceMobile are both circling Grain Management's 800 MHz low-band spectrum, valued at roughly $6 billion.

Anpanman explains Grain acquired the spectrum from T-Mobile via a swap plus roughly $2 billion cash, and FCC rules let Grain deploy it by satellite instead of building an expensive terrestrial network. AST is the only satellite operator using cellular low-band spectrum, and Grain must pick a direct-to-cell partner by November 5, 2026 or face a costly terrestrial build-out, per Anpanman.

Anpanman speculates AST would likely pursue a Ligado-style cash-plus-revenue-share licensing deal rather than an outright purchase, while SpaceX could outbid anyone but risks foreclosing MVNO talks with carriers. He suspects Grain's bankers leaked the Bloomberg story to inflate competitive tension ahead of a September bid deadline.

Anpanman concludes AST is unlikely to overpay, viewing the spectrum as a nice-to-have rather than a must-have, and expects a carrier-backed structure to keep it out of SpaceX's hands.

Key Takeaways

  • Grain Management acquired 800 MHz low-band spectrum (7 MHz by 7 MHz uplink/downlink in most markets) from T-Mobile in a swap that gave T-Mobile Grain's 600 MHz licenses plus roughly $2 billion cash, according to Anpanman.
  • The FCC approved the T-Mobile-to-Grain 800 MHz spectrum sale around the end of June 2026, and AST SpaceMobile filed a letter supporting the deal, revealing it was already testing satellite connectivity over the spectrum with its Block 1 and Block 2 satellites.
  • A Bloomberg report claimed SpaceX and AST SpaceMobile are both seeking to acquire Grain Management's spectrum, valued at roughly $6 billion, though Anpanman treats this as an unverified, banker-driven leak rather than confirmed fact.
  • Grain faces an FCC-mandated timeline: select a financial advisor and begin its process by August 7, 2026 (already passed), collect preliminary bids in the first week of September 2026, select a direct-to-device satellite partner by November 5, 2026, and file a fully supported FCC application by December 4, 2026.
  • If Grain fails to secure a satellite partner, it must build an expensive terrestrial network instead, which Anpanman says could cost billions of dollars, citing Charlie Ergen's roughly $8 billion failed AWS-3/AWS-4 terrestrial build-out as a cautionary precedent.
  • Anpanman says AST is the only satellite operator using cellular spectrum in the roughly 600-900 MHz low-band range, distinguishing it from SpaceX (mid-band, roughly 1.8-2.5 GHz) and Globalstar/Iridium (L-band/S-band).
  • Anpanman speculates AST would likely structure a deal with Grain similar to its Ligado spectrum agreement: modest cash upfront plus a long-term lease of 50-80 years and a revenue share he guesses at 20-40%, rather than an outright purchase.
  • Elon Musk publicly denied the Bloomberg report, but Anpanman argues the denial may apply only to specific claims, such as an outright purchase, rather than ruling out SpaceX's interest in licensing the spectrum entirely.
  • Anpanman notes that if SpaceX buys the spectrum outright, it would likely foreclose the possibility of an MVNO agreement with AT&T, Verizon, or T-Mobile, since it would signal SpaceX is fully committed to competing directly as a wireless carrier.
  • Anpanman says spectrum-screening rules mean AT&T cannot bid on the Grain spectrum because it already holds too much spectrum, Verizon faces similar constraints, and T-Mobile just divested its own spectrum in the swap.
  • Anpanman speculates the joint venture reportedly being formed by AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile could add a fourth player, potentially Grain itself, Comcast, Charter/Spectrum, or regional carrier Spire, to help hold or fund the spectrum.
  • Anpanman suggests AST's recent convertible note raise may have been partly intended to build cash reserves for a potential upfront payment in a Grain spectrum deal, though he frames this explicitly as speculation.
  • Anpanman says AST would not play 'chicken' with Grain by threatening to walk away, viewing the spectrum as a nice-to-have rather than a must-have, similar to how he believes AST didn't chase escalating bids in the Iridium sale process.

Detailed Discussion14 topics

Grain-T-Mobile spectrum swap background

2
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:15

    Grain Management owned 600 MHz licenses and, in a swap with T-Mobile, gave those licenses to T-Mobile along with cash Anpanman estimates at about $2 billion; in return Grain received valuable 800 MHz spectrum, generally 7 MHz by 7 MHz of uplink and downlink in most markets.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:15

    Low-band spectrum (600-900 MHz) is the 'prime real estate' for mobile coverage because it penetrates walls and provides propagation indoors, in cars, and underground, whereas mid-band adds capacity and high-band adds even more capacity.

FCC approval and AST's low-band position

3
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:23

    The FCC approved the sale of the 800 MHz spectrum from T-Mobile to Grain Management around the end of June 2026 (approximate); before that decision, AST SpaceMobile filed a letter supporting the transaction, revealing AST was already working closely with Grain to test satellite connectivity over that spectrum using its Block 1 and Block 2 satellites.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:23

    As part of the FCC approval process, Grain stated it could deploy the spectrum over AST's constellation instead of building a terrestrial network.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:24

    AST is the only satellite provider using cellular low-band spectrum (roughly 600-900 MHz); SpaceX's direct-to-cell satellites focus on mid-band (currently around 1.9 GHz, with a next generation Anpanman speculates could span roughly 1.8-2.5 GHz), while Globalstar and Iridium operate in L-band and S-band and cannot use cellular spectrum today.

The Bloomberg $6 billion report

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  • Anpanman Rumor 00:03:21

    A Bloomberg article headlined 'SpaceX, AST said seeking to buy spectrum valued at $6 billion' claims both SpaceX and AST are among companies that have expressed interest in acquiring Grain Management's spectrum, citing unnamed people familiar with the discussions; Anpanman says this surprised him since he didn't think Grain was looking to sell.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:03:21

    The article states Grain has asked interested parties to submit preliminary offers by the first week of September, hopes to reap about $6 billion from selling the licenses, and notes the plan could also involve leasing capacity or another bidder emerging.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:03:21

    Anpanman notes that when the story first published, Bloomberg had not tagged AST's stock ticker on the article, so it didn't appear under AST's news feed until the story was revised with Elon Musk's quote; he cites this as evidence of how little market awareness there is of AST SpaceMobile.

FCC build-out requirements and the Charlie Ergen precedent

2
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:04:31

    Under the FCC framework, Grain can meet its spectrum build-out requirement by deploying via satellite rather than building an expensive terrestrial network requiring leased tower space from companies like American Tower or Crown Castle; Anpanman states (with some uncertainty in the exact figure) the requirement is to cover roughly 70% to 90% of the population within 3 years.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:05:47

    Charlie Ergen previously committed to the FCC to build a terrestrial broadband network after acquiring AWS-3/AWS-4 spectrum, spent billions of dollars (Anpanman cites roughly $8 billion) attempting to compete with AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile, and failed because it was too expensive and he lacked sufficient low-band spectrum; the FCC ultimately forced a sale, and the spectrum went to SpaceX after Echostar/Dish ran into trouble.

Grain's regulatory timeline

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:08:03

    Grain had to select a financial advisor by August 7, 2026 to administer the satellite/direct-to-device partner selection process and formally initiate a competitive bid solicitation; as of the August 20-21 recording, that step has passed.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:08:03

    Rounds of interest/preliminary bids are due the first week of September 2026; Grain must complete the competitive process and notify the FCC of the selected partner by November 5, 2026; and the selected parties must file a fully supported satellite application with the FCC by December 4, 2026.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:03

    If Grain does not secure a satellite partner by the deadline, it would be on the hook for a multi-billion-dollar, multi-year terrestrial build-out instead, giving Grain an incentive not to overplay its hand in negotiations.

Why bankers leak stories

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:53

    Anpanman believes Grain's bankers leaked the Bloomberg story to Bloomberg to increase competitive tension between AST and SpaceX during confidential negotiations, since parties typically sign confidentiality agreements but leaks let information circulate while providing plausible deniability.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:53

    Anpanman compares this to Jay Monroe of Globalstar previously floating a $10 billion number in early Bloomberg articles to drive up bidding, which he says ultimately helped push Amazon to pay up in the Globalstar acquisition.

SpaceX's strategic calculus

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:34

    SpaceX can outbid anyone for the spectrum given its scale and access to capital, and would face no antitrust issue, but would need to build an entirely new satellite platform with a much larger phased array to use low-band spectrum, distinct from its existing V2 direct-to-cell and V3 fixed-wireless satellites and its orbital data center plans.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:34

    Anpanman is uncertain SpaceX could develop and deploy this new satellite architecture and meet the 3-year build-out requirement, given competing priorities across its other satellite programs.

  • Another Smith (audience) Speculation 00:32:05

    If SpaceX wants the spectrum, it would likely have to pay cash outright rather than lease it, because Grain would carry execution risk if SpaceX fails to build out a satellite in time; Anpanman agreed this is a good point given the roughly 1.5-2 year satellite development timeline SpaceX would need.

MVNO carrot-and-stick dynamic

1
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:16:47

    SpaceX has reportedly signaled to carriers (citing a Wells Fargo research note referencing Brett Johnson) that it wants an MVNO agreement, while publicly threatening to compete directly if carriers don't cooperate; buying the Grain spectrum outright would foreclose the MVNO path by signaling SpaceX is fully committed to becoming a competing MNO.

Possible AST deal structure

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:56

    Anpanman speculates AST would likely offer Grain a Ligado-style deal: cash upfront to lock in exclusivity, a multi-year long-term lease, and a revenue share he guesses (explicitly as a spitball) could be 20-40% of revenue generated from the spectrum, rather than an outright purchase.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:56

    Anpanman notes AST recently hired a UBS vice chair as a strategic advisor and suggests the timing fits with structuring a potential Grain deal.

Building a real business vs. quick cash

1
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:49

    Anpanman contrasts a $6 billion cash sale to SpaceX, which he calls an 'okay' but not a home-run return for Grain, against building a business with AST that generates steady cash flows over many years, which he speculates (as a rough guess) could be valued at $10-13 billion depending on annual revenue and multiple.

Joint venture and a possible fourth player

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:04

    Anpanman speculates the reported AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture's mentioned 'third and fourth player' opening could include Grain itself as a new entity contributing its 800 MHz spectrum, with AST contributing satellites and the carriers paying for capacity.

  • Anpanman (Q&A) Speculation 00:32:05

    Asked who the fourth JV player could be, Anpanman speculated it could be Comcast, Charter/Spectrum (cable companies), regional carrier Spire, or Grain itself becoming part of a 'super wholesaler' structure.

Countering SpaceX with a carrier-backed JV

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:56

    If SpaceX bids around $6 billion, AST alone likely couldn't win a pure cash bidding war, but AST could offer a mix of roughly $1 billion cash plus stock, making Grain a large AST shareholder; alternatively, AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile could each fund a joint venture with several billion dollars to bid for the spectrum outright, with AST contributing satellites.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:56

    Anpanman calls a four-party JV structure 'messy' and not the most elegant solution given the difficulty of getting four parties to agree quickly.

Antitrust and spectrum screening constraints

1
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:56

    Anpanman says AT&T cannot buy this spectrum outright because it would run afoul of FCC spectrum-screening rules from already owning too much low-band spectrum; Verizon could possibly bid but faces similar constraints; T-Mobile just divested its 600 MHz spectrum in the original swap.

Audience Q&A

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:41

    Asked whether AST should 'play chicken' and tell Grain it is walking away, Anpanman said no, framing the spectrum as a nice-to-have rather than a need-to-have, and drawing a parallel to the Iridium sale process where he believes a bidder (possibly AST) stopped bidding once the price exceeded its threshold.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:36:39

    Asked how a banker leak actually happens with confidentiality agreements in place, Anpanman explained that bankers can selectively disclose bidder names and figures to reporters to pressure other bidders, while maintaining plausible deniability with the parties that signed confidentiality agreements.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:36:39

    Anpanman noted Bloomberg's sourcing language ('people familiar with the discussions') suggests the leak came from advisors/bankers rather than company principals, and said Bloomberg and Wall Street Journal reporting is generally reliable even though sourced secondhand.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:41

    Asked what AST's recent convertible note offering was for, Anpanman speculated it was partly intended to boost cash reserves in case AST needs to make a large upfront payment (hundreds of millions to a billion dollars) as part of a Grain spectrum deal.

Watch Items3

  • Grain Management collects preliminary bids/indications of interest for its 800 MHz spectrum from prospective satellite partners including AST and SpaceX

    first week of September 2026 Anpanman 00:08:03
  • Grain Management must complete its competitive process, select a direct-to-device satellite partner, and notify the FCC of the outcome

    November 5, 2026 Anpanman 00:08:03
  • Grain Management and its selected partner must file a fully supported satellite application with the FCC covering build-out plans

    December 4, 2026 Anpanman 00:08:03

Open Questions5

  • Will Grain structure the spectrum deal as an outright cash sale to SpaceX or a Ligado-style long-term licensing/revenue-share agreement with AST?

    Anpanman 00:20:56
  • Does Elon Musk's public denial of the Bloomberg report apply to the entire story, or only to specific claims such as an outright spectrum purchase?

    Anpanman 00:13:34
  • Will AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile fund a joint bidding vehicle, and who would be the fourth player in a resulting joint venture: Grain, Comcast, Charter/Spectrum, or Spire?

    Anpanman 00:26:04
  • Can SpaceX actually design, build, and deploy a new low-band-capable satellite platform in time to meet Grain's 3-year FCC build-out requirement if it wins the spectrum?

    Anpanman 00:13:34
  • Would AST overpay for the spectrum, and at what price point would AST be willing to walk away rather than pay a use-it-or-lose-it cash demand?

    Anpanman 00:41:41
2026-08-19 33:40

AST SpaceMobile: T-Mobile Deal Coming Next

Anpanman

This is a solo X Spaces episode hosted by Anpanman, one of the two recurring AST SpaceMobile podcast hosts. He addresses recent ASTS stock volatility and argues an eventual T-Mobile agreement could be the next major catalyst.

Anpanman notes ASTS has essentially chopped between a July 29 closing low of $53 and highs near $73 since June, despite continued execution including two recent satellite launch batches. He contrasts the muted reaction with Moderna's huge single-day rally, and recalls ASTS's own run from roughly $5 to $39 after the 2024 AT&T and Verizon deals.

He points to FCC filings referencing Grain Management 800 MHz spectrum testing as evidence T-Mobile talks are progressing, and explains that the new AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile joint venture pools resources without breaking AST's exclusive commercial agreements. He also argues Wall Street analysts like Goldman Sachs favor covering Starlink and Amazon over AST because those banks have commercial relationships with SpaceX and Amazon, not AST.

Anpanman closes on a bullish macro note, citing China's advancing space program, Golden Dome-related government spending, and speculation about possible US government equity stakes in strategic space companies, while reiterating he remains fully bullish on ASTS despite the drawdown.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile's stock ($ASTS) has essentially traded flat since June 2026, chopping between a July 29 closing low of $53 and highs near $73, despite continued company execution.
  • Host Anpanman believes an eventual T-Mobile agreement with AST SpaceMobile is coming, citing FCC filings tied to Grain Management 800 MHz spectrum testing that reference existing AST-T-Mobile agreements.
  • Anpanman notes an FCC Special Temporary Authority filing initially referenced conditions tied to T-Mobile agreements, which were redacted or removed in a follow-up filing, which he speculates (without confirmation) may indicate the company didn't want that detail disclosed yet.
  • The new AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile joint venture pools spectrum and infrastructure resources across the carriers but does not break AST SpaceMobile's existing exclusive commercial agreements with AT&T and Verizon, according to Anpanman.
  • AT&T originally had mutual exclusivity with AST SpaceMobile but gave it up to bring in Verizon in 2024, a move Anpanman attributes to AT&T CEO John Stankey recognizing the competitive threat from Starlink.
  • Anpanman argues Wall Street analysts, including Goldman Sachs, give more coverage to Starlink and Amazon's direct-to-cell ambitions than to AST SpaceMobile because those banks have commercial relationships with SpaceX and Amazon, not AST.
  • Anpanman says AST SpaceMobile deliberately avoids promoting still-unfinalized initiatives like the Japan JLEO joint venture, Grain Management testing, or T-Mobile talks, and points listeners to the full Q2 2026 earnings call transcript as already containing most disclosed detail.
  • Anpanman acknowledges a real risk that T-Mobile could instead grant Starlink an MVNO relationship rather than partnering with AST SpaceMobile, though he believes this is not the direction talks are heading.
  • Anpanman speculates the US government could eventually take passive equity stakes in space companies deemed critical to national security, similar to precedents with MP Materials and Intel, potentially including AST SpaceMobile or Rocket Lab.
  • Anpanman cites China Landspace becoming the second Chinese launch provider to land a reusable first-stage orbital rocket booster as evidence of an accelerating international space race with military implications.

Detailed Discussion10 topics

ASTS Stock Volatility and Investor Sentiment

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:28

    ASTS has essentially chopped/traded flat since June 2026: the stock hit $65 back in June, fell to a closing low of $53 on July 29, and was around $66.50 at the time of this recording, despite continued company execution.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:00

    He describes a Twitter account that predicted the stock would hit $85 when it was in the low $70s, then, at an intraday low of about $64 the same week, tweeted asking Elon Musk to buy the company out for $100 billion.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:38

    He argues that if an investor has no trust in a company's management and board execution, they should simply sell the stock rather than stay invested and complain.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:28

    AST has now launched two batches of satellites, with another batch coming soon; launches are temporarily paused industry-wide because of an upcoming crewed Falcon 9 mission that has priority on the pad.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:00

    He recounts his wife asking why the stock had fallen to $65 from a prior $130; he reassured her he remains comfortable because he believes a T-Mobile deal is coming, similar to how the stock more than tripled after the Verizon deal.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:38

    He says he has been personally bullish on the company for six years and views the current volatility and drawdown, including a day where his own portfolio was down $2 million, as normal investing rather than a sign of company problems.

Moderna Comparison and ASTS's Own History of Explosive Moves

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:03:05

    He compares the muted ASTS reaction to Moderna's stock reportedly rising from a $63 close to $172 the same day; his own on-air figures wavered between describing this as a $108-$111 gain and a 111%-177% move, reflecting some confusion in the moment rather than a single confirmed number.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:03:05

    He recalls ASTS's own comparable historic move: in May 2024, after AST signed a definitive commercial agreement with AT&T and brought on Verizon as a strategic investor and partner (a $100 million investment comprising a $35 million convertible-note investment and a $65 million prepayment), the stock re-rated from roughly $5, reaching about $12 and eventually $39 or so over the following weeks.

T-Mobile Deal Speculation and Grain Management Filing

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:09

    He says he's confident T-Mobile talks are progressing well, pointing to FCC filings on Grain Management 800 MHz spectrum testing that reference existing agreements between AST SpaceMobile and T-Mobile.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:09

    He notes the original FCC Special Temporary Authority filing had redactions referencing T-Mobile agreement conditions, which were removed in a follow-up filing; he speculates, without confirmation, that AST's attorneys may have had it removed because it wasn't meant to be publicly disclosed yet.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:09

    He expects an initial MOU with T-Mobile outlining terms, followed eventually by a definitive agreement, similar to the pattern with AT&T and Verizon, and says AT&T has already 'blessed' or acquiesced to AST working with T-Mobile.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:07:09

    As precedent, he notes that when Verizon's investment/partnership with AST was first announced, the stock rallied 69% that day per a CNBC headline he referenced, and continued rising afterward.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:09

    He speculates (explicitly using a made-up example number) that if T-Mobile is announced and, say, its own stock rallied to $100 that day, the AST-T-Mobile relationship would become impossible for Wall Street to ignore.

AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile Joint Venture Dynamics

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:02

    He addresses a bear-case concern that the AT&T/Verizon/(eventually T-Mobile) joint venture could act as a buying cartel that pressures AST SpaceMobile economically or displaces it in favor of other satellite providers like Amazon.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:02

    He rebuts that concern, explaining the joint venture pools spectrum and infrastructure resources to ease deployment across the MNOs, while AST's exclusive agreements with AT&T and Verizon individually remain in place and survive the joint venture.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:08:02

    He recaps that AT&T originally had mutual exclusivity with AST SpaceMobile, but gave it up to bring in Verizon because AT&T CEO John Stankey recognized both a broader service vision and the competitive threat from Starlink.

Wall Street Coverage Bias Toward Starlink and Amazon

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:33

    He says a Goldman Sachs research report published the day before the episode discussed Starlink and Amazon's direct-to-cell ambitions but did not cover AST SpaceMobile, and claims to personally know one of the report's authors.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:33

    He argues Goldman gives Starlink and Amazon more coverage because Goldman has commercial banking relationships with SpaceX and Amazon, while AST is not currently banked by Goldman, though he expects that to change in coming quarters.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:21:26

    He notes the Goldman report's direct-to-cell growth thesis extended beyond phones to connectivity for autonomous drones, robots, and vehicles, framing connectivity as an emerging bottleneck alongside AI compute and memory.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:33

    He predicts a future headline, expected in roughly the next two to three quarters, about AST getting a 10x10 MHz S-band spectrum allocation in Europe via Satellite Connect Europe, which he expects will force wider Street recognition of the AST story.

Macro Backdrop and Sector Rotation

3
  • Anpanman Rumor 00:17:36

    He attributes part of the day's space-sector weakness to a factor rotation into biotech/healthcare driven by Moderna's rally, plus a reported doubling of Treasury Secretary Bessent's long-end Treasury bond buying program (from roughly $2 billion to $4 billion), which he frames as a possible precursor to yield curve control and quantitative easing.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:36

    He notes crypto rallied strongly the same day and argues a crypto risk-on bid is typically a good signal for other growth/momentum sectors including space; he references his own earlier tweet speculating on a possible Bitcoin bottom around October.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:15:33

    He counters claims that ASTS underperformed other space stocks that day by citing same-day moves: AST down 1%, Planet Labs down 3%, Redwire down 4%, Intuitive Machines down 4%, BlackSky down 3.6%, Rocket Lab down 4%, and SpaceX down 2.6%.

China's Space Race, Earth Observation, and Golden Dome

3
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:19:07

    China Landspace became the second Chinese launch provider to successfully land a first-stage orbital-class rocket booster, which he frames as evidence China is rapidly closing the reusability gap with the US.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:21:26

    He argues the Iran conflict proved earth observation is now militarily critical rather than a niche capability, claiming Iran leveraged Chinese or Russian earth observation to enable cheap drones to strike multi-billion-dollar US military assets.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:26

    He references continued massive US government space spending, including a Golden Dome budget he recalls (with some uncertainty, saying 'I think') as approved at roughly $70-something billion, as a durable tailwind independent of near-term stock price moves.

Possible US Government Equity Stakes in Space Companies

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:51

    He speculates that, given China's rapid space advancement, the US government may eventually take passive equity stakes in space companies viewed as critical to national security, similar to precedents with MP Materials and Intel, purely as financial support without board seats.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:51

    He names AST SpaceMobile and Rocket Lab as examples of companies that could potentially receive such a stake as an alternative counterweight to SpaceX.

Why AST Isn't Hyping PR Yet

3
  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:28:44

    He explains that initiatives like the Japan JLEO joint venture, Grain Management testing, and T-Mobile talks are 'not ripe yet' and still being negotiated, so the company hasn't formally PR'd them, though it has acknowledged being in negotiations during the convertible note offering and the most recent Q2 2026 earnings call.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:28:44

    He recommends listeners read the full Q2 2026 earnings call transcript word-for-word, arguing it already discloses far more than critics on Twitter claim is being withheld.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:11

    He suggests the company keeps sensitive strategic talks like the T-Mobile relationship deliberately under wraps for competitive reasons, given the existing SpaceX/Starlink T-Satellite exclusivity relationship with T-Mobile.

T-Mobile / Starlink MVNO Risk

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:11

    He acknowledges a real risk that T-Mobile could instead grant Starlink an MVNO (mobile virtual network operator) relationship rather than partnering with AST, which he frames as bad for the wireless industry generally but says would paradoxically deepen AT&T and Verizon's strategic reliance on AST as a counter to Starlink.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:11

    He states his belief that this MVNO scenario is not the direction things are heading, and that T-Mobile will ultimately work with AST alongside AT&T and Verizon.

Watch Items4

  • T-Mobile agreement with AST SpaceMobile (expected initial MOU followed by a definitive agreement)

    Not dated; Anpanman says talks are ongoing and 'going well,' with AT&T's blessing already given Anpanman 00:07:09
  • Japan JLEO joint venture formalization/finalization

    Currently being negotiated; formal announcement expected once finalized, no date given Anpanman 00:28:44
  • Satellite Connect Europe securing a 10x10 MHz S-band spectrum allocation in Europe

    Expected headline in roughly the next 2 to 3 quarters Anpanman 00:10:33
  • Next batch of satellite launches

    Coming soon, once the currently-scheduled crewed Falcon 9 mission clears the launch pad Anpanman 00:01:28

Open Questions3

  • Will AST SpaceMobile actually reach a definitive T-Mobile agreement, and when will it be announced?

    Anpanman 00:07:09
  • Could T-Mobile instead grant Starlink an MVNO relationship rather than partnering with AST SpaceMobile?

    Anpanman 00:30:11
  • Will the US government take passive equity stakes in space companies like AST SpaceMobile or Rocket Lab, similar to its precedent with MP Materials and Intel?

    Anpanman 00:23:51
2026-08-18 53:30

Why AST SpaceMobile's Grain Spectrum Deal Is Huge

Anpanman

This is a solo AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode hosted by Anpanman, published August 18, 2026. He opens with a personal story about losing Verizon cell and data coverage during a family trip near Rhinebeck, New York, using it to frame why AST's satellite broadband mission matters.

He covers two major news items from the prior week: former AT&T network president and AST board member Chris Sambar officially joining T-Mobile as Chief Enterprise Officer, and the FCC granting AST a Special Temporary Authority to test on Grain Management's nationwide 800 MHz spectrum. He also details AST's hire of veteran investment banker Ozzy Ramos as a strategic advisor.

Anpanman then walks through a broader industry pattern he calls the legacy direct-to-device playbook, where spectrum holders like Ligado, EchoStar, Globalstar, and Iridium initially dismissed the technology before pivoting to paper constellations and eventually selling or partnering. He also discusses the SES-Omnispace-Lynk merger and a potential future Viasat-AST partnership over international L-band spectrum.

Anpanman's headline conclusion is that AST is quietly building deeper ties across all major US carriers, including T-Mobile, while adding senior dealmaking talent, positioning the company for major catalysts he expects the market has not yet priced in.

Key Takeaways

  • Chris Sambar, the former AT&T president of network and a former AST SpaceMobile board member, has officially started at T-Mobile as Chief Enterprise Officer, a move Anpanman says strengthens the odds of AST eventually working with T-Mobile given Sambar's deep knowledge of AST and personal friendship with CEO Abel Avellan.
  • The FCC granted AST SpaceMobile a Special Temporary Authority to test on Grain Management's nationwide 7x7 MHz of 800 MHz spectrum, which Grain must deploy via satellite or terrestrial buildout to meet FCC requirements, and the STA's terms require testing to comply with an existing AST-T-Mobile agreement.
  • AST SpaceMobile hired Ozzy Ramos, a veteran investment banker who was vice chair of banking at Barclays and vice chair of investment banking at UBS covering telecom, cable, and satellite deals including the Viasat-Inmarsat transaction, as a strategic advisor for potential M&A, joint ventures, and spectrum deals.
  • Anpanman argues legacy satellite spectrum holders Ligado, EchoStar, Globalstar, and Iridium initially dismissed direct-to-device technology as a niche market, then pivoted to announcing their own 'paper constellations' once AST and Starlink proved the market, ultimately being acquired by or partnering with the disruptors rather than building competing networks themselves.
  • SES's investment in the newly merged Omnispace and Lynk Global closed, with SES receiving equity and preferred stock, but Anpanman is skeptical the combined entity can become a credible global direct-to-device competitor given Lynk's limited satellite capability and inability to raise capital historically.
  • Anpanman identifies Viasat's international L-band spectrum, outside the US and Canada where AST already controls the most valuable L-band via its Ligado deal, as a potential future partnership opportunity for AST, since Viasat cannot easily monetize that spectrum without US market access.
  • AST SpaceMobile's institutional ownership rose from 37% at the end of 2025 to 52.6% as of this episode, which Anpanman views as room for continued upside since well-owned peer companies typically see 80-90% institutional ownership.
  • Anpanman says BlueBirds 14 through 16 are in final testing stages and should ship soon for a Falcon 9 launch, though he stresses a September 2026 launch timing is his own guess, not company-confirmed.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

Losing Cell Coverage in the Berkshires

2
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:56

    While on a family trip to the Berkshires, Anpanman lost cell and data coverage after an air show at the Rhinebeck Aerodrome; he had one bar of Verizon signal but no data, forcing him to drive blindly for roughly 30-40 extra minutes before regaining signal to use Waze/Google Maps for directions.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:03:00

    He used the anecdote to frame the broader need for satellite broadband data coverage, not just texting, so that navigation apps work in dead zones — the core use case AST SpaceMobile is targeting.

Chris Sambar Joins T-Mobile

2
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:03:38

    Chris Sambar, former head of network and president at AT&T, officially joined T-Mobile last week as Chief Enterprise Officer. Sambar was previously an AST SpaceMobile board member and sat on its Network Planning and Spectrum Committee; he was the key decision-maker who chose AT&T's original partnership with AST and reportedly called CEO Abel Avellan 'one of the greatest inventors of modern times.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:30

    Anpanman says discussions between AST and T-Mobile have reportedly been going well, and having someone at T-Mobile with intimate knowledge of AST's product and roadmap, and warm relations with Avellan and President Scott Wisniewski, should help solidify an eventual relationship.

FCC Grants STA for Grain Management's 800 MHz Spectrum

7
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:05:33

    On Thursday last week, the FCC granted AST SpaceMobile a Special Temporary Authority (STA) to test on Grain Management's spectrum: 7 MHz by 7 MHz of nationwide 800 MHz low-band cellular spectrum, distinct from the FirstNet (~700 MHz) and AT&T/Verizon (850 MHz) spectrum AST already uses, because this Grain spectrum is largely unused nationwide rather than already deployed by carriers in covered areas.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:30

    Spitballing on deployment: the spectrum could be folded into the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile telco joint venture with Grain getting economics while AST lights it up to augment carrier coverage, or Grain could build a dedicated IoT network using AST that carriers could also tap.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:08:30

    Grain has FCC build-out requirements it must meet to keep the spectrum: within 3 years, over 100 kilobits/sec per MHz (roughly 700 kbps on 7 MHz) across 70% of time and 90% of the coverage area; within 5 years, that doubles to 200 kbps/MHz (about 1.4 Mbps on 7 MHz) across 80% of time and 90% of area; within 10 years, 300 [kbps or possibly Mbps, garbled]/MHz (about 2.1 Mbps on 7 MHz) across 90% of time and area. Anpanman says AST can easily meet these thresholds.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:09:30

    If Grain fails to meet its build-out milestones, the FCC can take the spectrum back, giving Grain strong economic incentive to deploy it quickly, which Anpanman says is why Grain chose to work with AST before even closing its purchase of the spectrum from T-Mobile.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:10:30

    Sequence of events: the FCC approved Grain's purchase of the spectrum from T-Mobile around July 1, with AST filing a letter of support explicitly noting the two companies were working together; AST then filed for an STA on July 2; the Grain-T-Mobile deal closed last week, and the FCC granted AST's STA to test on the spectrum that Thursday.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:12:00

    The granted STA text requires that testing comply with existing agreements between AST and T-Mobile, which Anpanman interprets as confirmation of some direct contractual or technical relationship between AST and T-Mobile regarding the spectrum, though not necessarily a commercial agreement.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:00

    Grain must choose a direct-to-device satellite operator by around November 2026 (he says 'November or maybe end of November'); Anpanman expects that to be AST, noting no STAs have surfaced showing Grain testing with anyone else, though Lynk Global is a theoretical low-band-capable alternative.

T-Mobile and Starlink Relationship Tensions

4
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:15:52

    He points to T-Mobile CFO Peter Osvaldik's comments at the Evercore TMT conference around June 2, 2026 as an early crack in the T-Mobile/Starlink relationship: Osvaldik displayed unusually detailed technical knowledge of Starlink's orbital mechanics and RF limitations and described the service in a notably negative light, calling it limited and saying it would never replace terrestrial coverage, a contrast to T-Mobile's normally positive public framing of Starlink.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:17:00

    T-Mobile confirmed on its last earnings call that its Starlink exclusivity extends beyond 2026, but Anpanman notes Starlink currently only operates on T-Mobile's 5x5 MHz, 1.9 GHz G-block mid-band spectrum in the US, and that EchoStar spectrum won't be in Starlink's hands until late 2027 with device adoption not until 2028.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:17:45

    SpaceX's IPO prospectus reportedly states its MNO partner agreements are multi-year but can be terminated unilaterally at any time by either party, which Anpanman cites as evidence exclusivity terms are more flexible than assumed.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:30

    Spitballing: he thinks there's a good possibility AST and T-Mobile will have some type of agreement in place before year-end 2026, likely coming after the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture is finalized, and expects the stock to react strongly once the market learns AST has all three major US carriers plus a stated '4th player.'

Ozzy Ramos Joins AST as Strategic Advisor

4
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:19:39

    Ozzy Ramos, who began his career as a banker at Lehman Brothers before moving to Barclays after Barclays acquired Lehman, rose to become head of communications, cable, and satellite banking and later vice chair of banking at Barclays, then vice chair of investment banking at UBS, has joined AST SpaceMobile.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:22:00

    Ramos worked on the Viasat-Inmarsat transaction among other marquee deals, giving him relationships with C-level executives across the telecom and space sectors; Anpanman compares his career trajectory to Scott Wisniewski, a former senior telecoms banker at Barclays (who worked on OneWeb financing) before joining AST as an early equity-comp hire around 2022 when the stock was in the $6-7 range.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:00

    Anpanman believes Ramos's hire signals the company is engaged in significant background activity — potentially the telco joint venture, the Satellite Connect Europe JV, the Japan Rakuten JV negotiation, and possible M&A or vertical integration around spectrum or key technologies — and that having an unbiased principal (rather than a fee-motivated banker) advising could support longer-term strategic thinking.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:42:59

    In response to an audience question, Anpanman said a strategic advisor with Ramos's background could help with launch provider negotiations, acquisitions, tuck-in deals, responding to inbound strategic/M&A interest, and OEM partnerships, freeing up Scott Wisniewski and other executives who are stretched across multiple roles.

The Legacy Direct-to-Device Playbook

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:41

    He argues that legacy spectrum holders Ligado, EchoStar, Globalstar, and Iridium all originally dismissed direct-to-device technology as unworkable or a small market roughly 5-7 years ago, since they had the most to lose from disruption of their existing businesses.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:00

    As AST went from roughly $2/share through the 'valley of death' to securing AT&T, Verizon, and other carriers and re-rating, these legacy companies changed their narrative from dismissing direct-to-device to embracing it as their salvation, and each announced its own direct-to-device plan: EchoStar's Charlie Ergen contracted MDA Space to build a constellation; Globalstar's Paul Jacobs (ex-Qualcomm) pursued a direct-to-device strategy; Iridium's Matt Desch first tried a proprietary Qualcomm 'Stardust' chipset before pivoting to the NTN standard.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:31:30

    He characterizes this as a 'fake it till you sell' gambit that worked: Ligado struck its AST deal in January 2025, EchoStar abandoned its own constellation plans after SpaceX acquired its AWS-3/AWS-4 spectrum, Globalstar was bought by Amazon, and Rocket Lab bought Iridium.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:33:00

    He explains the strategic value of filing a 'paper constellation': it buys time on FCC build-out deadlines. When the FCC threatened to reclaim EchoStar's spectrum unless sold, the resulting Starlink acquisition of that spectrum established a key precedent — Starlink asked whether meeting build-out requirements via direct-to-device coverage (rather than a terrestrial network) was sufficient, and the FCC agreed, a precedent Anpanman says now benefits AST/Ligado, Amazon/Globalstar, and is directly applicable to the Grain Management spectrum situation.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:34:30

    He notes Iridium's investor base is largely income-focused (dividends, buybacks), which he says trapped Iridium's management from pivoting to spend billions building a next-gen constellation without shareholder backlash, forcing it toward the eventual Rocket Lab sale instead.

SES, OmniSpace, and Lynk Merger

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:35:44

    SES has been working with Omnispace and Lynk Global, and Anpanman states the merger between Omnispace and Lynk has now closed, with SES investing equity and receiving preferred stock in the combined entity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:36:30

    He describes the pairing as mismatched: Omnispace holds ITU priority rights to S-band spectrum globally (though lacking country-level authorizations), while Lynk has a handful of satellites tuned for low-band cellular spectrum but would need to be re-architected to work with Omnispace's mid-band spectrum.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:48:24

    He is skeptical the combination becomes a credible global player, citing Lynk's long history (roughly as old as AST) of being unable to raise capital, a failed SPAC merger attempt with Alex Rodriguez's SPAC, and his own unimpressed 2023 meeting with Lynk's Charles Miller.

Viasat and Inmarsat L-band Spectrum

3
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:37

    Viasat, partnered with Thuraya in a joint venture called Space42, owns roughly 15x15 MHz of S-band spectrum in Europe that Anpanman believes has a high probability of being lost in reallocation (as he expects EchoStar's allocation to be too), but also holds valuable global L-band spectrum via its acquisition of Inmarsat.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:40:30

    Inmarsat's prior licensing agreement with Ligado covers 45 MHz of L-band in the US and 40 MHz in Canada, which AST accessed via its own Ligado deal, meaning AST holds the most valuable parts of Inmarsat/Viasat's L-band spectrum footprint (the US and Canada), while Viasat retains rights to the remaining international L-band it doesn't fully utilize for its maritime/airline connectivity business.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:30

    Because AST controls the most valuable US/Canada portion, he argues this acts like a poison pill making it hard for Viasat to make a licensing deal attractive to any other player, and predicts a future partnership between AST and Viasat to jointly monetize the remaining international L-band spectrum, avoiding redundant constellations, though he sees no urgency given Viasat's traction securing S-band allocations in Europe and Brazil separately.

Audience Q&A

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:44:12

    Asked about the change in institutional versus insider/retail ownership, he stated institutional ownership was 37% at the end of 2025 and is now 52.6%, still well below the 80-90% typical of companies with the strongest institutional support, which he views as room for further upside as institutions build larger positions, similar to what occurred at SpaceX after its lockup expiry increased liquidity for funds like TCW and Fidelity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:45:00

    Asked why Fidelity owns fewer shares than Vanguard and BlackRock, he explained Vanguard/BlackRock ownership is largely passive via ETFs/index funds tracking the broader market, while Fidelity's active portfolio managers may have chosen to sell as of Q2 based on their own risk-reward view, though they could be buying now.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:46:29

    Asked whether Grain Management is the '4th carrier' AST has alluded to on earnings calls, he said he doubts it since Grain has no existing subscriber base or carrier business, and speculated the '4th player' could instead be a small carrier like Spire, the telco joint venture itself, or a cable company such as Cox, Comcast, or Charter.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:31

    On the path back to the stock's prior all-time high near $130, he recalled that after BlueBird 7's launch failure the stock fell to $63 in early May 2026 but rallied to $133 over the following three weeks, illustrating how quickly the stock can recover on catalysts; he specifically believes a T-Mobile announcement could push the stock beyond its most recent all-time high.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:50:04

    Asked whether Japan's roughly $1 billion J-LEO contribution implies about 90 Japan-flagged BlueBird satellites, Anpanman said it's unknown since the $1 billion also covers launch and ground infrastructure, not just satellites, and the actual satellite count depends on per-satellite build costs and details still to be finalized once the joint venture and Japanese regulatory approvals (MIC and what he calls 'CIJA') are completed.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:50:40

    Asked where BlueBirds 14 through 16 stand, he said they are in final stages of testing and should ship soon for a Falcon 9 launch, guessing — not as confirmed company guidance — that this points to a possible September 2026 launch.

Watch Items5

  • Grain Management must select a direct-to-device satellite operator to meet its FCC build-out deadline

    By around November 2026 ('November or maybe end of November') Anpanman 00:13:00
  • Grain Management's tiered FCC build-out requirements for its 800 MHz spectrum (speed and coverage thresholds)

    3-year, 5-year, and 10-year milestones from spectrum acquisition Anpanman 00:08:30
  • Possible formal AST-T-Mobile agreement announcement

    Anpanman expects before year-end 2026, likely after the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture is finalized Anpanman 00:18:30
  • BlueBirds 14 through 16 shipment and possible Falcon 9 launch

    Shipping 'soon'; Anpanman guesses a September 2026 launch, not company-confirmed Anpanman 00:50:40
  • Formalization of the Japan Rakuten/AST J-LEO joint venture, pending Japanese regulatory approval (MIC and 'CIJA')

    Ongoing, no date given Anpanman 00:50:04

Open Questions5

  • How will Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum actually be deployed — folded into the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture, or used to build a dedicated IoT network?

    Anpanman 00:07:30
  • Is Grain Management, a small carrier like Spire, the telco joint venture itself, or a cable company the '4th player' AST has referenced on earnings calls?

    Anpanman 00:46:29
  • Will AST and T-Mobile formally confirm any agreement before year-end 2026, and how will the market react when it happens?

    Anpanman 00:18:30
  • Does Japan's roughly $1 billion J-LEO contribution imply around 90 Japan-flagged BlueBird satellites, or does the funding mostly cover launch and ground infrastructure instead?

    Anpanman 00:50:04
  • Will Viasat and AST eventually strike a partnership to jointly monetize Viasat's international L-band spectrum outside the US and Canada?

    Anpanman 00:41:30
2026-08-17 46:09

AST SpaceMobile - J-LEO Confirmed, T-Mobile Next?

Kook

Kook records this solo episode from a closet in France, breaking down AST SpaceMobile's ($ASTS) latest earnings call and the week's news flow. Anpanman does not appear; this is a Kook-only Space recap.

Kook confirms the J-LEO deal as a roughly $1 billion non-dilutive Japanese government subsidy for Japan-flagged satellites, likening it to Tesla's early reliance on government grants. AST SpaceMobile also disclosed $3.7 billion of pro forma cash, a $1.3 billion revenue backlog, and three new government contracts worth over $100 million.

Kook highlights a newly revealed AI edge-compute roadmap beginning with satellite Bluebird 47, aimed at high-value military and sovereign uses rather than consumer AI. He also cites an FCC filing suggesting AST SpaceMobile already has a contractual relationship with T-Mobile, hinting at a coming direct-to-cell partnership.

Kook frames radar, GPS, and sovereign-satellite demand as expanding AST SpaceMobile's addressable market, though he calls a tracked count of 56 sovereign deals unrealistic. His headline takeaway: despite post-earnings volatility, the company's fundamentals keep improving and its biggest re-rating catalysts remain ahead, not behind.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile's J-LEO deal was confirmed on its latest earnings call as a roughly $1 billion non-dilutive Japanese government subsidy structure funding Japan-flagged satellites within the broader ASTS constellation, with those satellites also usable for the rest of the network.
  • Kook likens the J-LEO subsidy to Tesla's early reliance on government grants, arguing it could effectively lower AST SpaceMobile's net cost per satellite, though definitive documentation is still pending.
  • AST SpaceMobile announced three new US government contracts worth over $100 million in funded near-term value, which Scott Wisniewski reportedly said could scale to roughly half a billion dollars next year.
  • The company disclosed $3.7 billion of pro forma cash (giving effect to its recent convertible bond) and a $1.3 billion revenue backlog as of the latest earnings call.
  • AST SpaceMobile has 10 launches booked at a cadence of about one every other month, with batch 3 BlueBird satellites (in the BB-17 to BB-46 production range) expected to ship as soon as the following week.
  • Company guidance states radar in low-band spectrum is already the majority of AST SpaceMobile's US government revenue, with the non-communications government business framed as a recurring multi-billion-dollar-per-year opportunity starting in 2027, up to half of the company's 2027 revenue target.
  • GPS has been added to AST SpaceMobile's disclosed non-communications government use-case list alongside radar and secure communications.
  • AST SpaceMobile revealed a formal AI edge-compute product roadmap on the earnings call, beginning with satellite Bluebird 47, targeted at sensitive government/military compute rather than consumer AI applications.
  • Kook cites AST SpaceMobile patents dated back to June 2021 describing use of the Micron satellite bus for data centers in space, suggesting the company anticipated this opportunity years in advance.
  • An FCC Special Temporary Authority tied to spectrum T-Mobile sold to Grain Management reportedly requires compliance with 'an existing agreement between AST Space Mobile and T-Mobile USA,' which Kook and Anpanman view as evidence of a direct contractual relationship ahead of a possible T-Mobile partnership announcement.
  • AST SpaceMobile hired Ozzy Ramos, a former UBS and Barclays vice chairman with communications/cable/satellite banking experience, as a strategic advisor; Kook views this as a relationship-opening hire rather than a finance role.
  • A tweet cited by Kook counts 56 emerging sovereign satellite constellation deals globally and still accelerating, though Kook says the probability all 56 actually get built is 'precisely zero,' while viewing the underlying sovereignty trend as a real tailwind reinforced by the Vodafone European venture and J-LEO.
  • Space analyst Chris Quilty was quoted describing the AST SpaceMobile-Vodafone venture as the one challenger with a credible shot at the EU's spectrum priority lane for 2 GHz allocation.
  • Verizon is reportedly testing drone-tracking technology with NVIDIA, Lockheed Martin, and AST SpaceMobile, which Kook says will require satellite backup connectivity for 'positive control' of drones.
  • Kook cites a tweet from 'Dr. Ali' modeling a $1 trillion valuation (about $2,200 per share) for AST SpaceMobile tied to AI/robotics-driven communications demand, explicitly framing this as his extreme upside case, not a base case.

Detailed Discussion11 topics

Market Reaction and Post-Earnings Volatility

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  • Kook Untagged 00:01:52

    Kook explains that with many traders positioned for a big volatility event around earnings, the post-earnings collapse in implied volatility (vega) compresses option deltas and creates confusing, noisy price action.

  • Kook Speculation 00:01:52

    Kook notes the stock has been trading in 'gamma bands' tied to where market makers' hedging kicks in based on outstanding option positions, citing an account called 'Reformed Trader.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:03:03

    Kook reflects that at $70 sentiment feels like 'cause for group therapy,' even though $70 felt like winning the lottery the first time the stock hit that level earlier in 2025, illustrating shifting investor psychology.

  • Kook Untagged 00:03:03

    Kook recalls the stock corrected to $37 after Scott priced a convertible bond around the end of July 2025, at which point he feared he had missed generational wealth; today's rebound back to $70 feels like a major win by comparison.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:04:18

    The Wall Street Journal covered AST SpaceMobile this past week, though its cover photo was of Blue Origin's New Glenn 3 rocket, which Kook called an 'inauspicious' image choice.

J-LEO Deal Confirmation

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:04:56

    AST SpaceMobile confirmed the J-LEO deal on its earnings call: a roughly $1 billion non-dilutive subsidy structure funding Japan-flagged satellites within the broader ASTS constellation, with those satellites also usable for the rest of the network.

  • Kook Speculation 00:04:56

    Kook speculates that if a billion-dollar non-dilutive government grant flows into the constellation, it could effectively lower AST SpaceMobile's true net cost per satellite below the company's stated per-satellite cost guidance, though he says he isn't certain how the company will formally account for it.

  • Kook Speculation 00:04:56

    Kook compares J-LEO to Tesla's early reliance on government grants as non-dilutive financing that helped accrue enormous shareholder value, seeing a similar dynamic playing out for AST SpaceMobile.

  • Kook Speculation 00:04:56

    Kook says definitive J-LEO documentation is still pending and could take a while, but based on how deals customarily get finalized once publicly announced in Japan, he considers the deal effectively done.

New Government Contracts and T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom Signals

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:07:24

    AST SpaceMobile announced three new US government contract awards, together representing over $100 million in funded near-term value.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:07:24

    Kook relays that Scott Wisniewski said on the call that these government contracts could scale to roughly half a billion dollars next year.

  • Kook Speculation 00:07:24

    Kook says AST SpaceMobile has 'all but told us' that Deutsche Telekom's T-Mobile is going to sign a contract, based on how the company phrased things on the earnings call without stating it outright.

  • Kook Speculation 00:07:24

    Kook argues sell-side telecom/media analysts typically cover 40 names each and can't justify deep-diving a still-hard-to-size name like AST SpaceMobile, giving retail research (Space Mob) an edge in reading the company's earnings-call signals.

Cash, Backlog, and Launch Cadence

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:10:51

    AST SpaceMobile reported $3.7 billion of pro forma cash, giving effect to its recent convertible bond offering.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:10:51

    AST SpaceMobile disclosed a $1.3 billion revenue backlog, which Kook expects to become an increasingly closely watched metric as it grows into the many billions.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:51

    Kook attributes the backlog partly to capacity payments, where MNOs and government customers like FirstNet pay for 5-10 years of guaranteed access.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:10:51

    AST SpaceMobile has 10 launches booked, with management describing a cadence of about one launch every other month; Kook notes some investors are frustrated with the pace, with more launch capacity coming in 2027.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:22:52

    Kook says batch 3 BlueBird satellites are getting ready to ship very soon, potentially as soon as the following week, with BB-17 through BB-46 in various stages of production.

Government Revenue: Radar and GPS

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:12:52

    Kook relays company guidance that radar in low-band spectrum is already the majority of AST SpaceMobile's US government revenue to date.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:12:52

    Kook cites company framing of the non-communications government opportunity as a 'recurring multi-billion dollar a year' business starting in 2027, representing up to half of the company's 2027 revenue guidance target of $1 billion.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:12:52

    GPS has been added to AST SpaceMobile's disclosed non-communications government use-case list, alongside radar and communications.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:12:52

    The company is showing data rates around 100 megabits per second already demonstrated, with a stated path to 200 Mbps.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:12:52

    AST SpaceMobile is rapidly expanding its factory footprint explicitly for US government scale, which Kook says confirms a dedicated government-focused manufacturing facility he first inferred from Scott Wisniewski's comments at a Deutsche Bank conference last September.

AI Edge Compute Roadmap

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:19:37

    Kook says the earnings call moved AI edge compute from hypothetical talk to a concrete product roadmap item, telling investors exactly when it enters the roadmap: beginning with satellite Bluebird 47.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:19:37

    The disclosed roadmap slide lists non-communications, radar, secure government communications, funded networks, IoT, AI edge compute, and federal emergency services as product categories.

  • Kook Speculation 00:16:46

    Kook argues AST SpaceMobile's core advantage is its in-orbit power generation capacity relative to fairing volume, comparing it to Iceland's cheap geothermal power attracting aluminum smelting and Bitcoin mining; AI compute is simply the next 'highest and best use' after RF communications.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:26

    Kook stresses the AI compute opportunity is not about consumer queries like powering a chatbot, but sensitive, high-value military and government compute staying in space, comparing it to Porsche acquiring a niche high-margin brand like Ruff to capture the top of the market without needing high volume.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:27:39

    Community researcher 'Interalia 51' found AST SpaceMobile patents dated back to June 2021 describing use of the Micron satellite bus for data centers in space, which Kook cites as evidence the company anticipated this opportunity years in advance.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:27:39

    Kook relays that Abel Avellan said starting with satellite 47, compute capability will be added and integrated into the system as an incremental capability layered onto the existing constellation architecture and gateway network.

  • Kook Untagged 00:14:40

    Kook notes 'Yeah Dave,' whose earnings-call summary he particularly values, flagged the ASIC chip progress and the expanded applicability of IoT use cases beyond the simple 'dead zone' coverage pitch.

T-Mobile Spectrum Evidence via FCC Filing

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:22:52

    Kook relays analysis (credited to 'Rocket Tank123' and Anpanman) that the FCC granted AST SpaceMobile a Special Temporary Authority to test on spectrum sold by T-Mobile to Grain Management, with the authorization requiring compliance with 'an existing agreement between AST Space Mobile and T-Mobile USA.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:22:52

    Kook says Anpanman views this STA condition as strong evidence AST SpaceMobile and T-Mobile already have a direct contractual, technical relationship around the spectrum, ahead of a possible commercial announcement.

Ozzy Ramos Joins as Strategic Advisor

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:31:56

    AST SpaceMobile hired Ozzy Ramos, previously vice chairman of investment banking at UBS and, before that, vice chairman at Barclays where he led the communications, cable, and satellite banking sector; he began his career at Lehman Brothers until its September 2008 collapse.

  • Kook Speculation 00:31:56

    Kook interprets Ramos's role as a relationship 'door opener' rather than a finance-focused hire like a CFO, drawing on his own experience recruiting similarly senior advisors who could open doors with regulators and counterparties.

  • Kook Speculation 00:31:56

    Kook says he has specific guesses about what high-level initiatives Ramos will help execute but declines to share them in a public Spaces.

Sovereign Satellite Deals and TAM Expansion

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  • Kook Speculation 00:37:38

    A tweet by 'PennyCheck' cited by Kook counts 56 emerging sovereign satellite constellation deals in progress globally, with the pace still accelerating.

  • Kook Speculation 00:41:25

    Kook says the probability all 56 sovereign constellations actually get built is 'precisely zero,' but views the underlying trend of countries seeking to avoid dependency on US satellite infrastructure as real, reinforced by the Vodafone European venture and J-LEO's Japan-flagged-satellite structure.

  • Kook Speculation 00:41:25

    Space analyst Chris Quilty is quoted describing the AST SpaceMobile-Vodafone venture as 'the one challenger with a credible shot at the EU priority lane' for 2 GHz spectrum allocation.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:41:25

    Kook cites a report that Verizon is testing drone-tracking technology with NVIDIA and Lockheed Martin, arguing satellite backup connectivity from AST SpaceMobile will be required for 'positive control' of drones since terrestrial networks alone can't guarantee constant connection.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:37:38

    Fairwinds has formally branded its collaboration with AST SpaceMobile as 'AetherLink,' described as a global 5G and non-terrestrial-network service for mission-critical defense communications.

FirstNet Status

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  • Kook Speculation 00:27:39

    Kook says he never expected a big standalone FirstNet announcement and believes AST SpaceMobile has effectively already gotten it: FirstNet spectrum access and a channel-partner relationship where FirstNet sells the service to its users, possibly with a future capacity payment.

Valuation and Closing Notes

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  • Kook Speculation 00:42:00

    Kook cites a tweet from 'Dr. Ali' modeling communications as a future $1 trillion-per-year business per Elon Musk's framing around AI, robotics, and connected devices, implying a $1 trillion AST SpaceMobile valuation, or about $2,200 per share, which Kook calls his own 'extreme upside case,' not a base case.

  • Kook Speculation 00:41:25

    Kook cites an analysis from 'Wave 3 Trades' showing that in 4 of the last 5 earnings calls, AST SpaceMobile's stock dipped before rallying to new all-time highs, which he attributes to post-earnings volatility crush followed by momentum once uncertainty clears.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:41:25

    Kook notes continued progress at Blue Origin rebuilding launch capability after its pad anomaly, contrasted with a recent failed Chinese rocket launch shown in a video.

Watch Items6

  • Batch 3 BlueBird satellites (from the BB-17 through BB-46 production range) shipping to the launch site

    as soon as next week, relative to the Aug 17, 2026 recording Kook 00:22:52
  • Formal T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom direct-to-cell commercial agreement announcement

    not specified; described as imminent based on earnings-call signals and FCC filing evidence Kook 00:07:24
  • Government/radar revenue scaling into a recurring multi-billion-dollar-per-year opportunity

    starting in 2027 Kook 00:12:52
  • AI edge compute capability added to AST SpaceMobile satellites

    beginning with satellite Bluebird 47 Kook 00:19:37
  • J-LEO definitive documentation finalized

    no set date; Kook considers the deal effectively done pending paperwork Kook 00:04:56
  • Additional satellite launch capacity coming online

    2027 Kook 00:10:51

Open Questions4

  • Will AST SpaceMobile and T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom formally announce a direct-to-cell commercial agreement, and how would the market react?

    Kook 00:07:24
  • What specific high-level initiatives will strategic advisor Ozzy Ramos help AST SpaceMobile execute, given his senior banking and regulatory relationships?

    Kook 00:31:56
  • How many of the 56 tracked sovereign satellite constellation deals will actually be realized as contracts?

    Kook 00:37:38
  • Will AST SpaceMobile ever receive a large, standalone FirstNet contract beyond the existing spectrum access and channel-partner relationship?

    Kook 00:27:39
2026-08-11 1:01:02

AST SpaceMobile Q2 - Anpanman Bullish

Anpanman

This solo AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode features Anpanman breaking down the company's Q2 2026 earnings call, published a day after the call. He argues the market's flat-to-negative reaction badly misreads what was actually a very bullish set of disclosures.

Anpanman opens with the hire of Ozzy Ramos, a longtime UBS and Barclays vice chair of investment banking, framing it as a strong signal of coming strategic moves. He details new spectrum news: C-band capability built into mid-band Block 3 Bluebirds, an ASIC chip that already processes low-band, mid-band and C-band signals, and a plan to bring 100 MHz of usable spectrum to the US network.

He also covers a now-confirmed US joint venture spanning AT&T, Verizon and a likely third partner in T-Mobile, active testing with Deutsche Telekom, new AI-compute ambitions for mid-band satellites, and a $1.3 billion contracted backlog lifted by roughly $125 million in new government awards.

Despite the Blue Origin launch mishap pushing the 45-satellite target to Q1 2027, AST reiterated full-year 2026 revenue guidance of $150-200 million. Anpanman calls it one of the best earnings calls yet, citing Cantor Fitzgerald's price-target hike and Piper Sandler's continued top-pick rating.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile hired Ozzy Ramos, most recently vice chair of investment banking at UBS (2023-2026) and previously nearly 16 years at Barclays including as head of the communications, cable and satellite sector, which Anpanman calls a huge vote of confidence and a signal of upcoming strategic moves.
  • AST disclosed that C-band spectrum capability will be built directly into its mid-band Block 3 Bluebird satellites rather than requiring a separate future satellite generation.
  • AST confirmed its AST5000 ASIC chip can already process low-band, mid-band, and C-band signals without needing a redesigned chip.
  • AST disclosed a plan to bring 100 MHz of usable spectrum to its US direct-to-cell network, more than the roughly 65 MHz SpaceX uses via its AWS-3 spectrum.
  • AST confirmed a US joint venture structure involving AT&T and Verizon (whose existing exclusive contracts remain in place) plus a third party understood to be T-Mobile, with room for a fourth participant.
  • AST is actively testing with Deutsche Telekom in Europe as part of the Satellite Connect Europe joint venture with Vodafone.
  • Management discussed adding AI compute capability to mid-band Bluebird satellites (BlueBird 47 and beyond), framing orbital data centers as a new potential business line.
  • AST reported 10 launches booked across 2 launch providers, with satellites Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 nearing readiness to ship in August ahead of the next Falcon 9 launch.
  • AST's Midland manufacturing expansion, adding roughly 400,000 square feet, was explicitly confirmed on the call to be driven by US government demand.
  • AST disclosed a $1.3 billion contracted backlog, up from about $1.1 billion the prior quarter, boosted by roughly $125 million from three new government contract awards.
  • Management discussed a path toward $1 billion of revenue (potentially on a run-rate basis) in 2027, with up to $500 million of that potentially coming from government contracts if things go well.
  • AST reiterated full-year 2026 revenue guidance of $150-200 million despite the Blue Origin New Glenn launch mishap pushing back the satellite deployment timeline.
  • AST described a Japan J-LEO sovereign satellite arrangement with Rakuten in which satellites flagged for Japan carry a kill switch but remain part of AST's federated constellation and can be used and monetized outside Japan.
  • AST highlighted 700 MHz spectrum as key to global emergency-services connectivity, including in Mexico via Altan Redes and in parts of Europe, a band it says is unavailable to satellite-only competitors like SpaceX, Amazon, or Globalstar.
  • With 25 satellites in orbit, AST said its planned beta commercial service could provide intermittent broadband coverage for approximately half of each day.
  • Cantor Fitzgerald raised its ASTS price target from $80 to $90, and Piper Sandler reiterated ASTS as its favorite space stock while trimming its target from $100 to $98.

Detailed Discussion13 topics

Ozzy Ramos Wall Street Hire

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:22

    AST hired Ozzy Ramos, who was most recently vice chair of UBS's investment banking division from August 2023 through August 2026; before that he spent almost 16 years at Barclays, including about 6 years as vice chair of banking, and before that was managing director and head of the communications, cable and satellite sector, then head of media, and earlier spent 8 years at Lehman Brothers (which Barclays acquired).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    Anpanman argues that a senior banker of Ramos's caliber choosing to join AST rather than pursue other opportunities is a big vote of confidence and suggests the company is contemplating significant strategic transactions, possibly M&A or JV structuring, given the wave of consolidation in the sector (Amazon/Globalstar, Rocket Lab/Iridium).

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:22

    Anpanman notes this isn't AST's only senior hire, pointing out Abel Avellan also recently hired a senior partner from Abry, the PE firm that previously owned Avellan's earlier company EMC and where that partner sat on the board.

Spectrum: C-band, ASIC Capability, and 100 MHz US Plan

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:09:55

    Abel Avellan discussed C-band spectrum on the call, noting C-band auctions are happening next year and that AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile already hold C-band; the company indicated C-band capability will be built into the mid-band (Block 3) Bluebird satellites rather than requiring a separate future generation, which Anpanman said surprised him since he'd expected a distinct Block 4 for C-band.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:14:34

    Chris Quilty asked on the call whether a new ASIC would need to be developed to incorporate C-band; the company said no — the existing AST5000 ASIC can already do signal processing across low-band, mid-band, and C-band spectrum, similar to how it already incorporated Ligado L-band spectrum when that deal was announced.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:55

    Anpanman estimates deploying C-band terrestrially is roughly 3 to 4 times more expensive per area than low-band, so he expects the vast majority of C-band coverage outside urban cores to ultimately be delivered via satellite rather than towers.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:09:55

    The current batch of low-band satellites in production runs through BlueBird 46 (45 needed for coverage, plus one extra to make up for the lost BlueBird 7); Bluebirds 47 and beyond will be mid-band satellites entering construction later this year and launching in early 2027.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:21

    AST disclosed the ability to bring 100 MHz of usable spectrum to its US direct-to-cell network, versus the roughly 65 MHz SpaceX uses via AWS-3; Anpanman's own back-of-envelope breakdown is 45 MHz from Ligado, 20 MHz from FirstNet, and about 20 MHz from AT&T/Verizon 850 MHz spectrum (roughly 85 MHz total), with the remainder possibly coming from Grain Management or other low-band spectrum — his own estimate, not something the company itemized on the call.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:21

    Anpanman speculates the company's Ligado spectrum may be contributed into the US joint venture and used to sell dedicated broadband access to IoT devices (robotics, cars, etc.) separate from mobile carrier traffic, though he stresses this is speculative.

International Spectrum and EchoStar/SpaceX Sovereignty Questions

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:18:45

    AST said it is seeing more S-band allocations outside the US, specifically citing Brazil (where Anatel already gave a 10x10 MHz allocation) and expressing optimism about a roughly 10x10 MHz allocation in the EU, plus other jurisdictions with potential allocations.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:45

    Anpanman raises a regulatory tension: the FCC has said US-flagged constellations must respect global priority S-band rights (relevant to EchoStar, which SpaceX is acquiring), but if foreign regulators instead choose to allocate their own S-band spectrum to AST rather than EchoStar to preserve sovereignty, it's unclear how US regulators would respond.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:22

    Anpanman notes that on a separate Deutsche Telekom call, it was suggested EchoStar is running into regulatory issues in Europe and may not retain its roughly 15x15 MHz European S-band allocation, given that Deutsche Telekom, as a local MNO, has leverage over whether EchoStar's licenses get renewed.

US Joint Venture with AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:22:06

    A Deutsche Bank analyst (Brian Kraft) asked Abel Avellan directly whether the joint venture means existing AT&T and Verizon contracts get superseded, and whether AST is working with T-Mobile and Deutsche Telekom; management said the exclusive AT&T and Verizon contracts stay in place, and while they didn't answer the T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom question directly, Anpanman says they effectively confirmed it.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:06

    Management said the joint venture structure allows for adding a 3rd and 4th player; Anpanman is confident the 3rd is T-Mobile, while a 4th could be the JV entity itself, cable/MVNO operators like Comcast or Charter, or possibly regional carrier C Spire, which holds valuable low-band spectrum and has publicly discussed wanting direct-to-device coverage.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:06

    Anpanman estimates AT&T's exclusivity window is probably around 5 years from launch of service and Verizon's around 3 years, after which he expects a direct commercial agreement with T-Mobile to be layered on top of the separate joint venture.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:06

    Anpanman rejects a consultant's claim that the joint venture exists mainly to help AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile negotiate against SpaceX, arguing instead it's a strategic response positioning AST against the competitive threat from Starlink and, by extension, Amazon.

AI Compute and Orbital Data Centers

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:25:44

    Scott Wisniewski and Abel Avellan discussed adding AI compute capability to the mid-band Bluebirds (47 and beyond), noting the satellites' unfolding design can generate 100-120 kilowatts of power and already include processing and communications hardware; this is the first time the company discussed the concept at length.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:44

    Anpanman speculates potential customers for orbital compute could include strategic investor Google or Meta, which he says AST is currently in talks with, plus the MNO partners themselves, though he frames this as his own inference from the company's new openness on the topic.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:44

    Anpanman highlights that an all-in Bluebird satellite cost of $21-23 million with launch included, at scale, could be a compelling cost basis for 100-120 kilowatts of orbital compute power compared to dedicated space-data-center players like StarCloud.

Launch Cadence and Manufacturing

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:29:01

    AST disclosed 10 launches booked with 2 different providers; Anpanman initially guessed this meant roughly 6-8 launches with SpaceX and the balance with Blue Origin, but an audience member noted the company specified the 10 launches exclude Blue Origin, prompting Anpanman to revise his guess to roughly 8 or 9 with SpaceX and 1-2 with a provider he believes is ULA.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:29:01

    A company slide showed Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 are close to ready and would ship in August, with the next launch expected to be a Falcon 9.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:29:01

    Anpanman explains AST's press releases avoid naming SpaceX directly (referring only to "Falcon 9") because of a communications-control provision in the 2022 multi-launch agreement, which is also why some launches don't appear on public manifests until 2-3 weeks before they occur.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:32:01

    Bluebirds through 46 are confirmed in production, up from BlueBird 42 disclosed roughly a week earlier.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:32:01

    The Midland manufacturing expansion — adding 400,000 square feet on top of the existing 500,000 square feet, for roughly 1 million square feet total — was explicitly confirmed on the call to be driven by US government demand tied to programs like Golden Dome and Arsenal Freedom.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:32:01

    Management indicated the company is moving toward larger phased-array form factors beyond the current 15x15 meter size, likely to 20x20 meters and eventually toward a previously-shelved 30x30 meter design, mirroring an industry-wide trend (Starlink is moving from 2.5x2.5 meter arrays toward roughly 5x5 meters).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:54:22

    In audience Q&A, Anpanman clarifies that AST is currently producing microns (a satellite subcomponent) at a rate of about 6 per month, but total fully-built satellites are not yet at 6 per month — he estimates the current satellite completion rate at roughly 3 to 4 per month, expected to reach 6 soon, having been slowed somewhat by the Blue Origin launch mishap.

Government Backlog, Contracts, and Path to $1B Revenue

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:34:43

    AST disclosed a $1.3 billion contracted backlog, up from $1.1 billion a quarter ago, with a large part of that increase coming from 3 new government contract awards Anpanman estimates were valued at around $125 million combined, bringing his own running count to roughly 16 total government contracts (as subprime or prime).

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:34:43

    Scott Wisniewski said the company will provide more disclosure on the 3 new government awards in the coming weeks.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:36:59

    In response to a question about the roughly quarter-long pushout of the 45-satellite target due to the Blue Origin mishap, Scott Wisniewski reiterated a focus on reaching $1 billion of revenue over the course of 2027 (possibly meaning run-rate rather than full-year total, per Anpanman's read), with government revenue potentially reaching up to $500 million in 2027 "if things go right."

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:38:37

    Chris Quilty asked what spectrum is being used for the non-communications radar applications; the company confirmed it is low-band spectrum, around 900 MHz, which Anpanman notes no other satellite operator is positioned to use since competitors like SpaceX are focused on mid-band and Globalstar lacks access to 900 MHz.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:38:37

    Scott Wisniewski described additional government use cases beyond radar, including low-power 3GPP-compatible secure communications for handsets, existing radios, wearables, headsets, and drones.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:38:37

    Anpanman speculates a connection to defense-tech company Anduril, noting Palmer Luckey has previously discussed satellite communications work in a televised interview and reportedly held a personal investment in AST as of 2025.

2026 Revenue Guidance Reiterated

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:42:04

    AST reiterated full-year 2026 revenue guidance of $150-200 million, which Anpanman calls a big deal given the Blue Origin mishap pushed satellite deployment back roughly a quarter; he had expected the range to come down but it didn't, which he reads as a sign the government-related testing on BlueBird 6 and other satellites is going well.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:42:04

    Anpanman notes Q2 revenue came in a few million dollars lighter than Street consensus, and that CFO Andy Johnson explained the company manages the business on a full-year basis rather than quarter-to-quarter, with the second half more back-end loaded, since commercial subscription revenue is not yet predictable enough for quarterly guidance.

Japan J-LEO Sovereign Satellite Deal with Rakuten

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:42:08

    Abel Avellan confirmed that while satellites flagged for Japan will carry a kill switch for use over Japan specifically, they remain part of AST's federated global constellation and can be used and monetized outside Japan, which Anpanman says clarifies earlier confusing comments from Rakuten's Hiroshi (Miki) Mikitani about the JV providing service globally.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:42:08

    Anpanman speculates Rakuten will likely receive some share of revenue generated when Japan-funded satellites are used outside Japan, though the exact split depends on how the satellite funding is structured between the two companies.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:42:08

    Scott Wisniewski said there are ongoing discussions with other countries about sovereign satellite solutions, framing it as "what G20 country would not want their own sovereign capability that is affordable," and comparing the funding model to Planet Labs' prior deal building Earth-observation satellites for Japan.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:59:35

    In audience Q&A, Anpanman clarifies that AST itself is funding the core roughly 90-100 satellite constellation, while Japan's J-LEO funding covers additional satellites in excess of that base count, not a share of the core build.

700 MHz for Global Emergency Services

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:44:37

    Scott Wisniewski highlighted the ability to leverage 700 MHz spectrum globally for emergency services, citing the US FirstNet allocation (20 MHz dedicated), Mexico's Altan Redes (holding roughly 60 MHz, 30x30, of 700 MHz), and dedicated 700 MHz emergency-services spectrum frameworks in various European countries.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:44:37

    Anpanman contrasts this with Europe's IRIS constellation, a roughly $15 billion (up from a prior $10 billion figure he cited) MSS-spectrum-based European government satellite program, arguing MSS spectrum is less effective than 700 MHz for penetrating collapsed buildings or dense tree cover during emergencies.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:44:37

    Anpanman argues that access to 700 MHz spectrum for emergency backup networks is only possible through AST's MNO-partnership model, not available to satellite-only competitors like SpaceX, Amazon, or Globalstar, who are limited to MSS spectrum.

Beta Service Coverage with 25 Satellites

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:48:12

    In response to a question about what beta service coverage looks like with 25 satellites, the company said it would provide approximately half a day of coverage, which Anpanman describes as good initial intermittent broadband service that should improve toward full-day coverage as more satellites launch.

Live Q&A

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:49:34

    Asked why BlueBird 6 isn't showing up in property, plant and equipment in the 10-Q, with the satellites-in-orbit asset value unchanged versus Q4, Anpanman said he is not sure, speculating it could relate to different accounting treatment for the satellite given its partial military use, but noted this wouldn't be consistent with BlueBird 6 having problems given the company just landed 3 additional military contracts worth $125 million.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:54:22

    Asked to clarify a comment about launching "every month or two," Anpanman said he's fairly certain it means launching once or twice per month, since the math otherwise wouldn't support the disclosed launch and satellite targets.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:54:22

    Asked how AST gets to an average $21-23 million per-satellite cost when a single Falcon 9 launch costs $40-80 million, Anpanman explained that figure is a long-run average achieved once Blue Origin's New Glenn reaches full cadence, moving from 7 satellites on 2 launches to potentially 9 satellites on 4 launches (or up to 12 per launch).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:54:22

    Asked why FPGA-based Microns were originally expected for the first 24 Bluebirds with ASICs following, Anpanman said ASIC production at scale took longer than planned, so ASICs likely won't appear until the mid-band Bluebirds; he also notes community member Catseye's point that FPGAs may remain preferable for low-band satellites used in radar and other reprogrammable government applications versus the more rigid ASICs.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:49:34

    An audience member suggested a Barclays connection between new hire Ozzy Ramos and AST President Scott Wisniewski (also ex-Barclays); Anpanman agreed there is probably overlap and that Scott likely knows him.

Analyst Reactions

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:57:37

    Cantor Fitzgerald upgraded its ASTS price target from $80 to $90.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:57:37

    Piper Sandler, which had initiated coverage roughly two weeks earlier with a $100 price target during a weak market period, trimmed its target by $2 to $98 the evening of earnings (which Anpanman attributes to dilution from the recent convertible note offering), while reiterating ASTS as its favorite stock in the space sector.

Watch Items6

  • Mid-band Bluebirds (BlueBird 47 and beyond) entering construction and beginning launches

    construction later in 2026, launches beginning early 2027 Anpanman 00:09:55
  • Next satellite launch: Falcon 9 carrying Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16

    satellites shipping in August, launch to follow Anpanman 00:29:01
  • Further public disclosure of details on the 3 new government contract awards (~$125 million combined)

    expected in the coming weeks Anpanman 00:34:43
  • Path to $1 billion of revenue, including up to $500 million potentially from government contracts

    over the course of 2027 Anpanman 00:36:59
  • C-band spectrum auctions

    next year (2027) Anpanman 00:09:55
  • Street/analyst reaction to the Q2 2026 earnings call

    the following trading day Anpanman 00:59:35

Open Questions5

  • Why isn't BlueBird 6 appearing in property, plant & equipment on the 10-Q, with the satellites-in-orbit asset value unchanged versus Q4?

    Anpanman 00:49:34
  • How will J-LEO revenue be split between AST and Rakuten for satellites used outside Japan?

    Anpanman 00:59:35
  • Will EchoStar be able to retain its global S-band spectrum allocations, such as its roughly 15x15 MHz in Europe, once SpaceX's acquisition proceeds, given other countries' sovereignty concerns?

    Anpanman 00:18:45
  • Who is the potential 4th participant in the US joint venture beyond AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile — a cable/MVNO player like Comcast or Charter, or a regional carrier like C Spire?

    Anpanman 00:22:06
  • Why does the 10-Q show an 'involuntary conversion' related to insurance, presumably tied to the lost BlueBird 7?

    Anpanman 00:59:35
2026-08-10 49:48

Starlink Mobile Just Made AST SpaceMobile the Winner

Anpanman

This solo AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode features only Anpanman, previewing the company's earnings call set for after market close on August 10, 2026. He spends most of the episode reacting to a weekend of Starlink Mobile hype driven by Elon Musk.

Anpanman argues Musk's claims that Starlink could capture 25% to 50% of global internet traffic, worth up to $1 trillion in revenue, will force AT&T, Verizon, and eventually T-Mobile to bake AST SpaceMobile's satellite service into every plan. He says this makes old 5-10% subscriber uptake estimates obsolete, pushing his own expected uptake toward 80-100%.

He frames this as a prisoner's dilemma among carriers and says AST gains subscribers without customer acquisition costs since carriers already own the subscriber base. He also compares AST's speeds to competitors, reviews Globalstar, Amazon Kuiper, and Iridium, and notes Rakuten confirmed the roughly $1 billion J-LEO satellite award on its earnings call this morning.

Anpanman's headline conclusion is that Starlink's move into mobile service is the best thing that could happen to AST SpaceMobile. He expects the market to shift from a Starlink/AST duopoly toward AST becoming the clear winner among MNO partners globally.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman argues Elon Musk's weekend claims that Starlink could capture 25% of global internet traffic near-term (about $500 billion of revenue) and up to 50% long-term (about $1 trillion of revenue) will push mobile carriers to adopt AST SpaceMobile satellite service as a standard feature to compete.
  • Anpanman says old uptake estimates of 5-10% subscriber adoption for AST SpaceMobile are now outdated, and he personally expects uptake to reach roughly 80-100% as satellite coverage becomes 'table stakes' for carriers.
  • Anpanman describes a 'prisoner's dilemma' among AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile: once one carrier bakes AST's satellite coverage into all its plans, the others must follow or risk losing subscribers.
  • Anpanman contrasts AST's customer-acquisition model, which relies on carriers' existing subscriber bases and costs AST nothing directly, with Starlink's reported $400-500 cost to acquire each new customer.
  • Anpanman recalls that roughly two months earlier T-Mobile's CFO publicly criticized Starlink's satellite service limitations in technical detail at an investor conference, which Anpanman reads as a sign of internal strain in the T-Mobile/Starlink partnership.
  • Anpanman states AST's Block 1 BlueBird satellites (launched 2025) deliver about 100 Mbps and Block 2 satellites deliver about 200 Mbps, with a roadmap through Block 3-5 targeting a further 10x improvement, versus Starlink bulls' claim that Starlink's V2 satellite will reach about 150 Mbps.
  • Anpanman reviews Globalstar (roughly 8 MHz of uplink and 15 MHz of downlink spectrum, global, partnered with Amazon/Apple) and Amazon's Kuiper-based direct-to-device plans, describing Amazon's approach as a separate proprietary network not integrated into MNO cores.
  • Anpanman argues MNOs are unlikely to partner with Amazon for direct-to-device service because Amazon's Kuiper broadband already competes with carriers' home internet and fiber businesses, and Amazon wants to own the customer relationship.
  • Anpanman describes Iridium as a niche player with 2.4 million total subscribers (2 million IoT devices plus 402,000 commercial voice/data subscribers), constrained to about 7.8 MHz of usable spectrum with no dedicated uplink or downlink, but highlights IoT as a large opportunity given AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile's combined roughly 84 million IoT devices today.
  • Anpanman argues Elon Musk's claim that every future car will connect via Starlink actually strengthens AST SpaceMobile's position, because automakers that compete with Tesla are unlikely to want to partner with SpaceX.
  • Rakuten confirmed on its earnings call the morning of this episode that it received the roughly $1 billion J-LEO sovereign satellite constellation award with AST SpaceMobile, though the joint venture has not yet been formalized and Rakuten is targeting beta commercial service by the end of this year.
  • Anpanman says, based on his own due diligence rather than confirmed company guidance, that Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 are close to shipping and expects them to launch on a Falcon 9 in mid-September 2026 or later.
  • Anpanman predicts AST SpaceMobile could ultimately capture roughly 70-80% of global MNO partnerships versus a generous 10-20% for Starlink, a shift from what he previously viewed as a 30/70 or 40/60 duopoly split.

Detailed Discussion11 topics

Earnings Preview and Podcast Housekeeping

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:02

    AST SpaceMobile reports earnings after the close today, which Anpanman expects to be full of significant developments, jokingly noting the company always calls each quarter 'the most important quarterly update in the history of the company.'

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:39

    Anpanman thanks Redrum for converting X Spaces into podcast episodes distributed on Apple and Spotify, including Kook's spaces, and notes that X typically deletes Spaces after about 30 days, so podcast archiving is the only way to preserve older content.

Starlink Mobile Weekend News and Musk's Claims

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:06

    Over the weekend there was a surge of Starlink Mobile commentary from Musk supporters; Musk stated he believes Starlink could reach 25% of global internet traffic (about $500 billion of revenue) in the next few years, and over the long term up to 50% of all internet traffic, or $1 trillion in revenue.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:05:50

    Musk supporters mocked T-Mobile's CEO over the weekend and Musk himself joined in rather than discouraging it; Anpanman believes the T-Mobile/Starlink relationship is 'untenable' and says he now checks daily whether T-Mobile's T-Satellite webpage is still up as a signal of how the relationship is deteriorating.

Uptake Estimates Revised Sharply Upward

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:47

    Anpanman says the long-running debate over AST SpaceMobile subscriber uptake (previously estimated at 2-15%) is now moot; with Starlink entering the mobile business and threatening MNOs directly, he expects uptake closer to 80-100% rather than the old 5-10% range.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:17

    Anpanman argues satellite coverage is becoming 'table stakes' -- a term he attributes to T-Mobile -- meaning 100% connectivity (hybrid terrestrial plus satellite) will become the baseline customer expectation, making dead zones unacceptable.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:10:40

    Anpanman recounts personally using T-Mobile around 2003-2004 when it had only mid-band spectrum and no low-band, resulting in unusable coverage in office buildings and subways; he cites this as the type of poor dense-area experience Starlink Mobile would face using mid-band spectrum like AWS-3 without extensive tower buildout.

MNO Competitive Dynamics

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:36

    Anpanman describes a 'prisoner's dilemma': if AT&T puts AST SpaceMobile satellite coverage in all its plans to defend against Starlink, Verizon has to follow, and then T-Mobile has to as well, since offering 100% coverage becomes a differentiator that can shift subscribers.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:16:32

    Anpanman argues AST SpaceMobile gains subscribers without incurring customer acquisition costs, unlike Starlink, which he says costs about $400 to $500 to acquire a customer (advertising, sales, marketing, and incentives); AST's model instead relies on carriers texting customers in dead zones to prompt them to turn on satellite service, building awareness and eventual paid adoption.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:13

    Anpanman recalls that roughly two months before this episode, T-Mobile's CFO gave detailed technical criticism of Starlink's service limitations (orbital lag, limited data capacity, satellite replenishment needs) at an investment conference, which Anpanman interprets as a sign T-Mobile feels pressured by the Starlink relationship despite being partners.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:19

    Anpanman says the market has shifted from what he previously saw as a Starlink/AST duopoly (Starlink getting maybe 30-40% of MNOs) to a 'winner-take-most' dynamic, with AST potentially capturing 70-80% of global MNO partnerships and Starlink a generous 10-20%, since AST has the incumbent MNOs (60+ partners, 3+ billion subscribers) on its side.

Satellite Speed Comparisons

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:23:04

    Anpanman states AST's Block 1 BlueBird satellites, launched in 2025, deliver about 100 megabits per second, Block 2 satellites deliver about 200 megabits per second, and the company's roadmap through Block 3, 4, and 5 targets a further improvement of over 10x, versus Starlink bears' claim that Starlink's V2 satellite will reach about 150 megabits per second.

Competitor Landscape: Globalstar and Amazon Kuiper

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:38

    Anpanman describes Globalstar as having good, global spectrum (roughly 8 MHz of uplink and 15 MHz of downlink), suggesting Amazon (which is building on Globalstar-related spectrum) 'is going to be able to build something good,' though he is unsure how long Amazon will take to bring its own direct-to-device satellites to market, citing Kuiper's long development timeline as a precedent.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:38

    Anpanman says Amazon's direct-to-device approach is a separate, proprietary bent-pipe-free network (unlike AST's MNO-integrated architecture), aimed at Amazon's own devices, IoT, robotics, and autonomous delivery, and potentially a future Amazon phone; he argues MNOs would be reluctant to partner with Amazon because its Kuiper home-internet service competes with carriers' fiber and 5G home businesses and because Amazon wants to control the customer relationship.

Iridium and the IoT Opportunity

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:32:04

    Anpanman describes Iridium as a niche resilient-communications provider with a growing PNT (position, navigation, timing) business that he says is not winner-take-all, since customers want multiple redundant PNT sources to guard against GPS jamming/spoofing, especially in defense and aviation.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:32:04

    Anpanman states Iridium has 2.4 million total subscribers, of which about 2 million are IoT devices and 402,000 are commercial voice/data subscribers, illustrating that the IoT opportunity is far larger than the consumer voice opportunity; he says these IoT customers often pay $50-100 per month for tracking/monitoring data.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:32:04

    Anpanman estimates AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile combined currently have about 84 million IoT devices, which he expects could grow 3-5x in the next few years, calling this a massive opportunity as the carriers ramp up IoT connectivity.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:32:04

    Anpanman notes Iridium's key constraint is only about 7.8 MHz of usable spectrum in a single channel with no dedicated uplink or downlink, requiring time-division sharing, limiting it to niche applications rather than broad commercial subscriber competition with Starlink-scale services.

Automotive Connectivity and the SpaceX-Tesla Stack

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:36:47

    Responding to Musk's weekend claim that every future car will be connected by Starlink, Anpanman argues this actually strengthens AST SpaceMobile's position, since automakers like Ford, GM, Hyundai, Toyota, and BMW would view SpaceX/Starlink as effectively tied to a competitor, Tesla, and would eventually push SpaceX/Tesla toward a merger.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:38:14

    Anpanman frames SpaceX/Tesla as a vertically integrated 'stack' (AI via Grok, X for social/communications, chips, cars, robots, rockets, satellites, data centers) and argues AST SpaceMobile is the clear 'open alternative' for companies -- robotics makers, IoT device makers, government/military customers -- that don't want to rely on the SpaceX/Tesla ecosystem.

Rakuten J-LEO Award Confirmation

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:41:52

    Rakuten confirmed on its earnings call this morning that it received the roughly $1 billion J-LEO award to build a sovereign satellite constellation in Japan with AST SpaceMobile; the joint venture with AST has not yet been formalized, and the satellites will also be usable for AST service outside Japan once the constellation is built.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:41:52

    Anpanman relays that Rakuten is planning to start commercial (beta) service in Japan toward the end of this year, which requires more satellites to be launched.

Bluebird 14-16 Launch Update

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:42:38

    Based on his own due diligence rather than a company statement, Anpanman says Bluebirds 14, 15, and 16 appear very close to shipping, will launch on a Falcon 9, and are likely to launch in mid-September 2026 or later rather than early September.

Audience Q&A

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:25

    Asked what analysts will ask on the earnings call, Anpanman guesses: (1) whether AST is in talks with T-Mobile/Deutsche Telekom, (2) how Starlink Mobile's move into the terrestrial mobile business affects AST's strategic positioning and MNO conversations, and (3) launch-provider status, including new launch agreements, Blue Origin's return to launch, and how many additional Falcon 9 launches AST has purchased (which he expects the company to decline to disclose).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:25

    Asked whether AST will become a household name, Anpanman says he doesn't think so, and that this is a good thing -- the company's goal is reliable service delivered under carrier branding (e.g. 'Verizon Always Connected powered by AST SpaceMobile'), contrasting this with what he calls T-Mobile's strategic mistake of promoting the Starlink brand, which gave SpaceX free marketing instead of building T-Mobile's own halo effect.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:25

    Asked whether AST retains ownership of J-LEO satellites subsidized by Japan, Anpanman says he believes AST will be a minority joint-venture partner, will build the satellites and get paid, and will share in revenue from their use outside Japan, noting Rakuten CEO Mickey Tani (Anpanman's rendering) alluded to Rakuten wanting an economic cut from satellites used globally.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:25

    Asked whether the network can handle connectivity for many MNOs without throttling, Anpanman says yes, capacity scales by densifying the constellation; he notes the low-band constellation's initial use cases are lower-usage areas, while the planned mid-band constellation (using Ligado spectrum) will need to scale quickly since it will be deployed even in dense, high-usage areas nationwide.

Watch Items5

  • AST SpaceMobile earnings call and release

    After market close, today (August 10, 2026) Anpanman 00:00:02
  • Bluebird 14, 15, and 16 shipping and launch on Falcon 9

    Mid-September 2026 or later, per Anpanman's own due diligence (not confirmed by the company) Anpanman 00:42:38
  • Rakuten/AST J-LEO joint venture formalization

    Not yet formalized; expected to take some time Anpanman 00:41:52
  • Rakuten beta commercial service launch in Japan

    Targeted toward the end of this year (2026) Anpanman 00:41:52
  • Whether T-Mobile's T-Satellite webpage is removed, as a signal of the T-Mobile/Starlink relationship ending

    Ongoing, checked daily by Anpanman Anpanman 00:05:50

Open Questions5

  • Will AST SpaceMobile ever announce a definitive agreement with T-Mobile and/or Deutsche Telekom?

    Anpanman 00:43:25
  • Will AST SpaceMobile become a household name, or remain a behind-the-scenes provider branded under MNO names?

    Anpanman 00:43:25
  • What is the exact ownership and revenue-sharing structure between AST and Rakuten for satellites built under the J-LEO program, including whether Rakuten gets a cut when those satellites are used outside Japan?

    Anpanman 00:43:25
  • Can AST SpaceMobile's network handle connectivity demand across many MNOs simultaneously without throttling as adoption scales, particularly for the planned mid-band Ligado-spectrum constellation in dense areas?

    Anpanman 00:43:25
  • How many additional Falcon 9 launches has AST SpaceMobile purchased, and when will Blue Origin resume launching for AST?

    Anpanman 00:43:25
2026-08-10 1:03:55

AST SpaceMobile Q2 2026 Earnings Call

Abel Avellan · Scott Wisniewski · Andy Johnson · Max Kohlberg · Greg Pendi · Mike Crawford · Colin Canfield · Michael Funk · Chris Scholl · Louis DiPalma · Brian Kraft · Chris Quilty · Scott Searle

This episode is a rebroadcast of AST SpaceMobile's Q2 2026 business update call, published August 10, 2026. CEO Abel Avellan, President Scott Wisniewski, CFO/Chief Legal Officer Andy Johnson, and IR's Max Kohlberg present results, fielding both pre-submitted shareholder questions and live sell-side analyst questions. Neither recurring podcast host Anpanman nor Kook appears; this is a straight company earnings-call rebroadcast.

Q2 2026 revenue came in at $31.5 million, more than doubling Q1, and management reiterated full-year 2026 revenue guidance of $150-200 million. Pro forma cash and liquidity topped $3.7 billion after a $1.15 billion convertible note offering priced at a 1.625% coupon, the company's lowest ever. Contracted revenue backlog grew to approximately $1.3 billion, which Wisniewski said is mostly commercial today but expected to see government scale fastest.

Management said satellites are in production through BlueBird 46, with 14-16 ready to ship shortly, and reiterated a target of roughly 45 BlueBirds in orbit by early 2027. The company now counts over 60 MNO partners covering more than 3 billion subscribers, has 10 launches booked across two providers, and is expanding into new addressable markets including radar, IoT, AI edge compute, and sovereign satellite constellations like Japan's Rakuten-partnered J-LEO award.

The headline takeaway is a company in transition from buildout to commercialization, with a fortified balance sheet, a growing backlog, and management targeting revenue approaching $1 billion in its first full year of commercial service, expected in 2027.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile reported Q2 2026 revenue of $31.5 million, more than double Q1 2026, driven by commercial gateway deliveries and US government service milestone achievements.
  • The company reiterated full-year 2026 revenue guidance of $150-200 million, with revenue expected to grow sequentially each quarter and be weighted toward Q4.
  • Pro forma cash, cash equivalents and restricted cash reached more than $3.7 billion as of June 30, 2026, including proceeds from a July 2026 convertible note offering.
  • AST priced $1.15 billion of 1.625% convertible senior notes due 2034, its lowest coupon ever, with a capped call raising the effective conversion price to $149.20 per share and effective dilution described as less than 2%.
  • Contracted revenue backlog grew to approximately $1.3 billion; President Scott Wisniewski said a minority of the backlog is government-related today but that portion is expected to scale fastest going forward.
  • AST received 3 new US government contract awards during Q2 2026, with combined funded near-term value of more than $100 million expected across 2026 and 2027.
  • Satellite production and assembly is underway through BlueBird 46, with BlueBirds 14-16 described as ready to ship shortly.
  • AST's AST5000 ASIC chip is now in full production and is expected to help nearly double peak data speeds from the 98.9 Mbps already achieved on Block 1 satellites.
  • AST now counts over 60 mobile network operator partners covering more than 3 billion subscribers globally, up from prior counts in the 45-50 range.
  • The company reiterated a target of approximately 45 BlueBird satellites in orbit by early 2027, supported by 10 launches booked across two launch providers.
  • Average build cost per satellite, including launch, remains guided at $21-23 million across the planned constellation, described on this call as over 90 satellites.
  • AST has deployed over 3,000 of approximately 5,600 low-band cellular cells needed to cover the US, with the remainder targeted for deployment by the end of 2026.
  • AST disclosed a preliminary award, pending government approvals and final agreements, to participate with longtime partner Rakuten in Japan's Low Earth Orbit Sat Infrastructure Development Project (J-LEO/GLEO), worth up to approximately $1 billion in non-dilutive, non-debt government capital.
  • Executives outlined plans to expand into new markets including radar, IoT, AI edge compute, secure government communications, and sovereign satellite constellations, each framed as a potential multi-billion-dollar-per-year opportunity.
  • Scott Wisniewski said the new AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture does not affect AST's existing bilateral agreements and instead frees up potential third and fourth US carrier customers for AST.
  • Management reiterated a goal of revenue approaching $1 billion during AST's first full year of commercial service, which they expect to begin in 2027.

Detailed Discussion15 topics

Opening remarks and strategy

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  • Max Kohlberg Untagged 00:00:19

    Opened the call with the safe-harbor disclaimer, introducing Abel Avellan, Scott Wisniewski, and Andy Johnson, and framed the market opportunity as nearly 6 billion mobile phones globally with many people still lacking cellular broadband coverage.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:58

    Said AST's network is designed to extend and complement existing terrestrial MNO infrastructure into space rather than replace it, positioning the company in what he called 'a category of one' combining low-band and mid-band spectrum with broadband speeds and native cellular application support.

Spectrum strategy

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:03:30

    Said AST's satellite technology is capable of tuning approximately 1,150 MHz of low-band and mid-band spectrum (and C-band in the future), with a path to approximately 100 MHz of access in the United States combining MNO partner spectrum and AST's own spectrum access.

  • Abel Avellan Untagged 00:33:39

    Cited AST's spectrum and phased-array combination, supported by over 3,900 patents and patent-pending claims, as the company's 'fuel' advantage; later in shareholder Q&A he cited the patent figure as over 3,600 patent and patent-pending claims, an inconsistency between the two statements on the same call.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:51:31

    In analyst Q&A, said AST can tune close to 1,200 MHz of low-band/mid-band capacity per country, and that the roughly 100 MHz US figure comes from the Ligado spectrum acquisition plus MNO partner spectrum access; overseas access is being built country-by-country, including via the Vodafone European joint venture where 21 of the top 25 European operators have indicated interest.

Rakuten J-LEO award (Japan)

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:05:37

    Disclosed AST recently received an award, pending government approvals and final agreements, with longtime partner Rakuten for participation in Japan's Low Earth Orbit Sat Infrastructure Development Project (GLEO/J-LEO), with a total expected value of up to approximately $1 billion in non-dilutive, non-debt government capital.

  • Abel Avellan Speculation 00:38:55

    Answering an analyst question on what won AST the deal, said AST had the only platform demonstrating and delivering broadband capability today, an architecture that lets nations keep data and infrastructure management on the ground, and a multi-year partnership history with Rakuten.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 01:00:41

    Explained the Japan-flagged satellites are architecturally identical to the rest of the constellation and usable globally via the same gateway network; roughly half the investment capital for those satellites is non-dilutive and non-debt for global usage, with only a subset formally flagged as Japanese.

MNO partnerships and network deployment

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:06:26

    Said AST's commercial ecosystem now includes over 60 MNO partners covering over 3 billion subscribers globally, including AT&T, Verizon, Vodafone, Rakuten, STC Group, Bell Canada, and TELUS.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:06:26

    Said the US deployment includes over 3,000 low-band cellular cells already installed, with the remaining cells expected to be deployed this year to light up roughly 5,600 cellular cells covering the United States.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:11:32

    Said AST is actively engaged with more than 20 mobile network operators across over 50 country markets beyond the US, Canada, Europe, Japan, Saudi Arabia and the US government, working toward roughly 50 gateways across 20 markets, with network integration/testing already underway in Europe with Vodafone, Orange, Telefónica, Vodafone Ukraine, and Deutsche Telekom.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:42:09

    Said AST's existing bilateral agreements with AT&T and Verizon are unaffected by the new AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture, and that the JV actually frees up a potential third and fourth US carrier customer for AST since AST's network is carrier-agnostic.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:55:52

    Said AST plans to keep existing partner contracts as-is while expanding relationships both through the new US and European joint ventures and directly with each operator.

Satellite manufacturing and ASIC

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:07:27

    Said BlueBirds 14-16 are undergoing final testing with manufacturing assembly nearly complete, and the recently launched BlueBird 11-13 demonstrated AST's ability to rapidly and repeatedly build, launch, and deploy its largest phased arrays using advanced composite material.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:08:04

    Said the AST5000 ASIC chip is now in full production, expected to nearly double the peak data speed of 98.9 Mbps already achieved on in-orbit Block I satellites; the ASIC supports up to 10 gigahertz of processing bandwidth per satellite, roughly a 10x improvement over Block I, with a further 10x improvement expected over time via AI-enabled spectrum management.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:07:27

    Said the company is in various stages of production and assembly through BlueBird 46, which management said aligns with the spacecraft count needed for continuous coverage in key markets, using a 95% vertically integrated manufacturing strategy.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:20:50

    Confirmed BlueBirds 14-16 are ready to ship shortly, while BlueBird 17 through BlueBird 46 are in various stages of production and assembly, supporting a network deployment plan targeting approximately 45 BlueBird satellites in orbit by early 2027.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:41:49

    In analyst Q&A, said AST is producing microns at roughly 6 per month and is currently on micron 46; current microns are all low-band systems, with mid-band capability production starting later this year for launches beginning very early in 2027.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:49:53

    Said AI compute capability is starting to be added into satellites beginning with Satellite 47 and 48, later in the year.

Manufacturing facility expansion

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:08:40

    Said AST currently has over 500,000 square feet of manufacturing and operations space globally, including a dedicated micron production facility, and recently unveiled plans for an additional 400,000 square feet in Midland, Texas, bringing the global footprint to over 1 million square feet, with over 900,000 square feet in the US once complete.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:35:39

    Said AST is currently manufacturing at a rate of about 6 BlueBirds per month and wants to expand capacity via the additional 400,000 square feet to supply enough production for growing government and non-government applications and even larger future satellites.

Revenue backlog and government contracts

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:10:59

    Said the company increased its revenue backlog to approximately $1.3 billion in aggregated contracted revenue from partner agreements and US government contract awards.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:13:56

    Said AST drove revenue against several existing government contracts and received 3 new contract awards in the quarter, with funded near-term value of over $100 million total expected during 2026 and 2027, describing a trend of small development contracts scaling into larger programs of record; further public announcements on specific awards are planned.

  • Greg Pendi Untagged 00:40:14

    Asked how much of the $1.3 billion backlog is government-related.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:40:42

    Responded that a minority of the overall backlog is government, though the recent additions were primarily government, and said he expects the government portion to scale most significantly in the near term.

Total addressable market expansion

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:15:10

    Outlined plans to expand AST's TAM beyond direct-to-device using the same spacecraft and gateway architecture, citing government radar, secure communications to low-profile devices (handsets, radios, headsets, wearables, drones already showing broadband speeds over 100 Mbps), sovereign in-country dedicated constellations (citing the Japan J-LEO award), federal emergency/backup networks (citing Vodafone Ireland, FirstNet, and recent outages in Spain and Australia), IoT, and space-based AI edge compute; each was framed as a potential multi-billion-dollar annual-plus revenue opportunity.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:49:53

    Said these new TAM opportunities piggyback on AST's existing space and gateway architecture rather than requiring new infrastructure, citing satellite 46 currently in production and AI compute capability being added starting with satellites 47 and 48.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:58:05

    Confirmed the upper C-band is already built into AST's current ASIC architecture, and the company is working on a third-generation chip incorporating L-band MSS, mid-band, and C-band together.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:58:42

    Clarified that despite a single chip architecture, AST is keeping different phased arrays per spectrum block (low-band, mid-band, and future C-band), rather than collapsing designs.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:59:17

    Said the US government radar application uses government spectrum (not AST's own), taking advantage of AST's large phased array and satellite sensitivity, and is already a built and in-orbit capability for government use; the major radar application is in the lower spectrum bands.

Q2 2026 financial results and 2026 guidance

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:19:31

    Said AST achieved over $30 million in revenue in Q2, more than doubling Q1 revenue, driven by US government contract milestones and commercial infrastructure sales, and delivered 13 gateways to 7 customers across 5 continents in the quarter; reiterated full-year 2026 revenue guidance of $150-200 million.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:20:50

    Reported Q2 2026 revenue of $31.5 million, driven primarily by commercial gateway deliveries and US government service milestone achievements, and confirmed the company remains on track for full-year 2026 revenue guidance of $150-200 million.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:20:50

    Said revenue is expected to grow sequentially each quarter through 2026 but will likely be weighted toward Q4, so full-year performance is the best basis for evaluation; achievement remains contingent on satellite launch/deployment, gateway sales timing, and commercial service activation.

Operating expenses and CapEx guidance

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  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:23:09

    Reported Q2 2026 non-GAAP adjusted operating expenses of $119.1 million versus $91.2 million in Q1; adjusted opex excluding cost of revenue was $95.9 million versus $79.8 million in Q1, near the high end of the prior $85-95 million guidance, driven by workforce growth, expanded production facilities, professional fees, and AI-related investment.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:23:09

    Reported Q2 2026 capital expenditures of approximately $610 million versus $257 million in Q1, just below the midpoint of prior $575-650 million guidance, made up primarily of launch contract payments, capitalized BlueBird materials/labor, and facility/production equipment.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:23:09

    Guided Q3 2026 adjusted operating expenses (excluding cost of revenue) to approximately $105-115 million, and Q3 2026 capital expenditures to approximately $350-425 million, driven primarily by launch payment timing; guided full-year 2026 adjusted opex excluding cost of revenue to average approximately $100 million per quarter, or about $400 million total.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:48:10

    Reaffirmed average capital cost guidance, including direct materials and launch, of approximately $21-23 million per satellite for the constellation of over 90 BlueBird satellites, excluding certain initial validation satellites; said the range is subject to geopolitical fluctuation but the company hopes to bring costs down over time via launch-provider negotiations.

Convertible notes and balance sheet

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  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:30:33

    Said AST executed a $1.15 billion convertible debt transaction in July for 1.625% convertible senior notes due 2034, its lowest coupon ever, with a capped call raising the effective conversion price to $149.20 per share (above AST's all-time high trading price) and effective dilution described as less than 2%.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:30:33

    Said pro forma cash, cash equivalents and restricted cash as of June 30, 2026 (inclusive of the $1.15 billion convertible notes offering) was over $3.7 billion.

Shareholder Q&A

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:32:54

    Responding to a shareholder question on government revenue timing, said the government opportunity is expected to start scaling into a recurring multi-billion-dollar-a-year opportunity starting in 2027, citing over $100 million in recent contract awards as evidence of momentum.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:33:39

    Responding to a shareholder question on AST's spectrum ownership, said spectrum access combined with AST's large phased array and IP portfolio is what allows the company to multiply its TAM into seven additional new applications beyond core direct-to-device.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:35:39

    Responding to a shareholder question on the Texas manufacturing expansion, said the additional 400,000 square feet supports growth in government and non-government applications and larger future satellites supporting communications, radar, GPS, AI, cloud computing, and IoT.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:36:48

    Responding to a shareholder question on whether other countries will pursue their own FirstNet or J-LEO-style programs, said the J-LEO award is a proof point for how large countries think about controllable in-country communications infrastructure and expects this trend to play out multiple times in coming years, citing the 700 MHz band as a resiliency frequency relevant to the US, Europe, and Latin America.

Analyst Q&A: launch cadence, cost, and beta timeline

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  • Michael Funk Untagged 00:46:40

    Asked how many launches AST has contracted for the remainder of 2026 and 2027 with Blue Origin and other providers, and about vehicle stackability.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:47:12

    Said AST has 10 launches booked with 2 different providers, targeting a cadence of roughly every month or two on average, with launch-specific disclosure typically provided about 2 months in advance; noted Blue Origin has made progress rebuilding its pad and resolving the root cause of its prior anomaly and is targeting a return this year, but said AST is not counting on that in its own numbers, expecting a mix of launches to reach its initial 45 satellites by early 2027.

  • Louis DiPalma Untagged 00:52:36

    Asked how to model 2027 revenue given prior commentary about approaching $1 billion in the first full year of commercial service, alongside the $1.3 billion backlog.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:53:14

    Said the company still expects to approach $1 billion of revenue in its first full year of commercial service; for next year, government could contribute as much as half, with continued infrastructure revenue and commercial service revenue ramping into the balance as it comes online.

  • Louis DiPalma Untagged 00:54:01

    Asked about the timing of consumer beta trials, whether AT&T and Verizon have signaled when general customers can test the service, and what percentage of the day a satellite would be overhead with 25 satellites in orbit.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:54:53

    Said AST is targeting having the capability ready for consumers later in 2026, deferring go-to-market timing and structure to carrier partners; said the company has flexibility on how it runs beta beyond the historically cited 25-satellite threshold, and that with about 25 satellites, coverage would be roughly half the day.

Analyst Q&A: 2027 revenue building blocks and international government

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  • Colin Canfield Untagged 00:43:01

    Estimated 2027 revenue building blocks of roughly $100-200 million of gateway support, $100-200 million of US government support, and roughly $100 million of international government support, and asked about revenue recognition mechanics for commercial service with partial constellation deployment.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:43:49

    Said operators want the service now and AST is racing toward scaled beta and commercial rollout with as little as 45 satellites in orbit; said revenue recognition for commercial service should begin when commercial service begins next year, said gateway revenue should exceed $100 million, hoped government revenue would exceed the analyst's estimate, and said commercial service revenue should ramp quickly once started.

  • Colin Canfield Untagged 00:44:55

    Asked about the expected market structure for international government opportunities in Germany and the rest of Europe, customer appetite for multi-sourcing supply chains, and IRIS.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:45:25

    Said the defense market (comms and non-comms) is attractive to many parties, expects international governments to increasingly turn to larger scaled services like AST's over time, and pointed to the European MSS process prioritizing providers with European operations as a relevant trend, alongside strong partners like Rakuten in Japan and Vodafone in Europe.

Analyst Q&A: sovereign constellations and other opportunities

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  • Scott Searle Untagged 01:01:33

    Asked whether AST could provide color on other sovereign/dedicated constellation opportunities percolating globally, in terms of number, region, or timeline.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 01:01:49

    Declined to comment on specific opportunities but confirmed there are discussions with other parties, said he does not understand why a G20 country wouldn't want this kind of controllable communications capability given the price, and expects this trend to play out multiple times over time similar to what is seen in the Earth observation arena.

Watch Items10

  • Consumer beta service capability targeted, with go-to-market timing and structure deferred to carrier partners AT&T and Verizon

    later in 2026 Scott Wisniewski 00:54:53
  • Approximately 45 BlueBird satellites in orbit, enabling initial commercial service

    early 2027 Andy Johnson 00:20:50
  • Mid-band micron production start, with mid-band satellite launches to follow

    mid-band production starts later in 2026; launches begin very early 2027 Abel Avellan 00:41:49
  • Q3 2026 adjusted operating expense guidance of approximately $105-115 million (ex. cost of revenue)

    Q3 2026 Andy Johnson 00:23:09
  • Q3 2026 capital expenditure guidance of approximately $350-425 million

    Q3 2026 Andy Johnson 00:23:09
  • Revenue approaching $1 billion in AST's first full year of commercial service

    expected to begin in 2027 Scott Wisniewski 00:53:14
  • Government revenue scaling into a recurring multi-billion-dollar-a-year opportunity

    starting in 2027 Scott Wisniewski 00:32:54
  • AI edge compute capability added starting with Satellite 47 and 48

    later in 2026 Abel Avellan 00:49:53
  • Remaining low-band US cellular cells (of ~5,600 total) deployed

    by end of 2026 Abel Avellan 00:06:26
  • Blue Origin New Glenn targeted return to flight, not currently counted in AST's own launch numbers

    targeted this year (2026), per Blue Origin Scott Wisniewski 00:47:12

Open Questions5

  • How much of the $1.3 billion contracted revenue backlog is government versus commercial, beyond being described as 'a minority' government?

    Greg Pendi 00:40:14
  • Will Blue Origin's New Glenn return to flight within 2026, and how would that affect AST's launch cadence given AST says it is not counting on that timing in its own guidance?

    Michael Funk 00:46:40
  • What will the revenue-sharing structure look like between AST and the new AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture?

    Brian Kraft 00:55:52
  • Which other countries or regions might pursue their own sovereign J-LEO-style dedicated satellite constellations with AST, and on what timeline?

    Scott Searle 01:01:33
  • How exactly will 2027 revenue split between government, infrastructure/gateway, and commercial service revenue?

    Louis DiPalma 00:52:36