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AST SpaceMobile: AT&T COO's Bullish Grain Spectrum Post
This is a short solo update from Anpanman on the AST SpaceMobile Podcast, recorded late on a Friday night. He flags a LinkedIn post from AT&T Chief Operating Officer Jeff McElfresh that he says is one of the most bullish signals he has seen recently.
McElfresh publicly congratulated AST SpaceMobile on receiving an FCC Special Temporary Authority to test Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum, posting before a Bloomberg article on Grain's spectrum sale even hit the wires. Anpanman notes Grain's 800 MHz sits directly adjacent to AT&T and Verizon's 850 MHz holdings, potentially allowing a wider combined channel for satellite service.
He argues the post implies AT&T, and by extension the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile satellite joint venture, is coordinating with AST and Grain rather than competing for the spectrum. He contrasts this with Bloomberg's report that Grain is seeking $6 billion for the spectrum with AST or SpaceX as possible buyers, a claim Elon Musk denied.
Anpanman's headline takeaway is that the spectrum is likely destined for the carrier joint venture and AST, with a first round of buyer interest expected in early September and satellite shipping updates said to be imminent.
Key Takeaways
- AT&T Chief Operating Officer Jeff McElfresh posted on LinkedIn congratulating AST SpaceMobile on receiving an FCC Special Temporary Authority (STA) to test Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum, and the post went up before a Bloomberg article on Grain's spectrum sale was published.
- Anpanman says some Space Mob members initially misread McElfresh's post as referring to AST's older 850 MHz spectrum approval; he clarifies it actually refers to the new Grain Management 800 MHz STA.
- Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum sits directly adjacent to AT&T's and Verizon's 850 MHz holdings on both the uplink and downlink sides, which Anpanman says could allow the bands to be combined into a wider channel for satellite-based connectivity.
- Anpanman interprets McElfresh's post, including its reference to AT&T's satellite joint venture, as evidence that AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile are coordinating with AST SpaceMobile on the Grain spectrum rather than competing against it for ownership.
- A Bloomberg report claimed Grain Management is seeking $6 billion for its spectrum, with AST SpaceMobile or SpaceX as potential buyers; Elon Musk publicly denied the report, though Anpanman is unsure how much of the denial to take at face value.
- T-Mobile has economic upside tied to usage of Grain Management's spectrum, which Anpanman believes gives T-Mobile incentive to discourage Grain from selling the spectrum to SpaceX.
- Anpanman expects the first round of buyer interest in Grain Management's spectrum process to be due around the first week of September 2026, roughly two weeks after this recording.
- Anpanman says satellite shipping updates for AST SpaceMobile are expected imminently, possibly over the weekend following this recording, addressing community frustration that shipping updates have been slow to arrive.
Detailed Discussion4 topics
AT&T COO Jeff McElfresh's LinkedIn post
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Jeff McElfresh, AT&T's Chief Operating Officer, posted on LinkedIn the day before this recording, congratulating AST SpaceMobile on receiving an FCC Special Temporary Authority (STA) to test Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum; the post went up before the Bloomberg article on Grain's spectrum sale was published.
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Anpanman says he initially missed the post and dismissed early mentions of it as people referencing an old McElfresh quote plus the Grain spectrum news, but on closer look realized it was new and highly bullish.
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Some in Space Mob misread the post as congratulating AST on its long-ago 850 MHz spectrum approval; Anpanman clarifies that was not the case and the post specifically references the new Grain Management 800 MHz STA.
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Anpanman notes Jeff McElfresh is intimately involved with and aware of AST SpaceMobile, and that AT&T CEO John Stankey defers to McElfresh on AST matters because McElfresh has the most detailed knowledge of the working relationship, including Ligado spectrum matters and testing happening with Grain Management.
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Anpanman reads McElfresh's post in full: "One great musician doesn't make an orchestra. Similarly, connectivity doesn't need just one technology. It needs the right technologies working together in harmony. Last week marked another key milestone for AST SpaceMobile with the work underway to close America's connectivity gaps. Satellite-based internet service isn't a replacement for advanced fiber or 5G connectivity, but rather a complementary technology we'll use to bring AT&T customers the best possible connectivity experience wherever they go. The goal here is simple: help people stay connected in rural communities, remote areas, and other places that can't be reached with traditional wireless and fiber infrastructure."
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Anpanman calls the post bullish because it implies AT&T is supportive of AST working with Grain Management, and its reference to "industry collaboration" building on the joint venture implies AT&T's satellite joint venture is working closely with AST and Grain to deploy the spectrum for satellite services.
Grain's 800 MHz spectrum adjacency and joint venture implications
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Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum, on both the uplink and downlink sides, sits directly adjacent to ("buttresses") AT&T's and Verizon's 850 MHz spectrum, which could allow the bands to be combined into a wider channel to provide better satellite service.
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Anpanman argues this adjacency, combined with McElfresh's post, suggests the big carriers are working with AST inside the joint venture, and that prior community speculation that the Grain spectrum would ultimately be used by or folded into the joint venture is now effectively confirmed by McElfresh choosing to make this public statement.
Bloomberg's $6 billion Grain spectrum report and T-Mobile's stake
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A Bloomberg article reported that Grain Management is seeking $6 billion in a spectrum sale, and that AST SpaceMobile or SpaceX were potentially interested buyers.
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Elon Musk denied the Bloomberg report, though Anpanman says it's unclear whether to take his denial fully at face value or whether only certain parts of the report were being denied.
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Anpanman's key takeaway is that AT&T and the joint venture are likely to end up with the spectrum in some form and that AST will be the one lighting it up, effectively negating the premise that SpaceX would acquire it.
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T-Mobile has some economic upside tied to usage of Grain Management's spectrum; Anpanman assumes T-Mobile is likely leaning on Grain not to sell the spectrum to SpaceX, since a friendly sale to Grain being later used against the carriers by SpaceX would be counterproductive for T-Mobile.
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Anpanman says the first round of buyer interest in Grain's spectrum process is supposed to be due the first week of September, approximately two weeks after this recording, and expects news to emerge around that process; he notes that if things stay quiet, that's likely a good sign since AST's side typically does not leak information.
Shipping update and closing thoughts
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Anpanman acknowledges Space Mob has been frustrated that satellite shipping updates haven't come soon enough, but says he believes shipping is truly imminent and expects an update, possibly over the coming weekend.
Watch Items2
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First round of buyer interest in Grain Management's spectrum sale process
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Next AST SpaceMobile satellite shipping update
Open Questions2
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Whether Grain Management's 800 MHz spectrum will ultimately be sold to a third party like SpaceX, folded into the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture, or otherwise made available for AST SpaceMobile's use.
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How much of Elon Musk's denial of the Bloomberg report (that Grain is seeking $6 billion with AST or SpaceX as potential buyers) should be taken at face value.
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[00:00:58] Speaker C: Everyone, thanks for joining. I know it's 8:15 on a Friday night, so actually quite surprised that people are joining on such late notice. But I did want to briefly talk about this LinkedIn post from AT&T Chief Operating Officer Jeff McElfresh. I actually missed this. It was posted yesterday, and I know There were a few people who referred to it, and when I saw it, I thought that it was actually some you know people referring to an old quote from Jeff McElfresh, and then of course the Grain Spectrum news. So I didn't really look at it too closely, but I actually did catch it today because someone had brought it to my attention, and then when I looked at it. I was like, holy crap, how did I miss this? This is one of the most bullish things I've seen recently, and in particular related to Grane's 800 MHz spectrum. And so Jeff Meckelfresh yesterday had posted a congratulations on LinkedIn for AST SpaceMobile receiving an STA from the FCC— that's a lot of acronyms— to test Grane Management's 800 MHz spectrum. And this actually, this post came out before the Bloomberg article hit the wires. And so in particular, Jeff— and there were some space mob who misread this and thought that maybe Jeff was congratulating AST on their previous approval for the 850 MHz spectrum, which happened obviously a long time ago. So that was definitely not the case. And for those that don't know, Jeff is intimately involved with and aware of AST SpaceMobile. And so when John Stenke and Jeff McElfresh talk about AST, John Stenke, you know, defers to Jeff because he knows the most about the working relationship. And so he has intimate knowledge of what's going on behind the scenes. He will be aware of everything that's going on with Legato, also all the testing that's happening with grain management. And so this post is very revealing in that— I'll just read it and then we can talk about it. So in this LinkedIn post, he reposted an article talking about the FCC approving the STA to test with grain management for AST. And in the post, he says, one great musician doesn't make an orchestra. Similarly, connectivity doesn't need just one technology. It needs the right technologies working together in harmony. Last week marked another key milestone for AST SpaceMobile with the work underway to close America's connectivity gaps. Satellite-based internet service isn't a replacement for advanced fiber or 5G connectivity, but rather a complementary technology we'll use to bring AT&T customers the best possible connectivity experience wherever they go. The goal here is simple: help people stay connected in rural communities, remote areas, and other places that can't be reached with traditional wireless and fiber infrastructure. Bullish because the implication is that AST obviously is supportive, or sorry, AT&T is supportive of AST working with Grain Management. This kind of, you know, the reference to this progress building on their joint venture, and then, you know, they talk specifically about demonstrating how industry collaboration can extend reliable coverage. This basically implies that that AT&T and the joint venture are working closely with AST in GRANE to deploy the spectrum for satellite services. And so as we know, GRANE management's 800 MHz, the uplink and the downlink sit right next to AT&T and Verizon's 850 MHz. Both uplink sides and both downlink sides are right, they buttress right next to each other, and so you could easily combine those to create an even wider channel to provide better service. And so this in particular, I mean, this to me suggests that the big carriers are working with AST in the joint venture, and our speculation that somehow, you know, whatever the structure takes, that this spectrum will be put into the joint venture or will be used by joint venture. This kind of codifies that, right? Because why would Jeff make this proclamation and retweet or post on— I don't know what they call it on LinkedIn, maybe repost the Grain Management News. And so this is huge. This kind of negates, you know, if you, if you take what was said in the Bloomberg article yesterday about supposedly, you know, the grain seeking $6 billion in a spectrum sale, and that potentially AST or SpaceX were interested. Obviously, we did hear back from Elon Musk, who said that it was not true. Of course, who knows whether to take his word for it or if he meant certain parts of it were not true. But I think the important takeaway is that AT&T and the joint venture, you can probably piece together that somehow this spectrum is going to go into that joint venture. and support the 3 carriers and that AST will be lighting up the spectrum. So that's my key takeaway. I think it seems pretty clear. And as we know, T-Mobile also has some economic upside from the usage of grain management spectrum. And so I would assume that they probably are leaning pretty heavily on grain management not to sell it to SpaceX because it would be pretty pretty silly for Grain Management to have sold that spectrum in a friendly manner to Grain and then that spectrum to be used against them, right? So anyway, those are my quick comments. I just wanted to talk about it because I think, you know, having missed this and not highlighting it to, you know, everyone kind of following the situation, this is really important, right? And so maybe we'll hear, you know, I think the first round of interest is supposed to be due the first week of September. So that's approximately 2 weeks away. So we should start hearing some news around this process. Or if it's quiet, then that's good too, because AST typically, their side doesn't leak anything. And so if it's quiet, then no news is probably good news. But anyway, just wanted to quickly do a space and talk about that, highlight it for people. And, um, yeah, that's it. So hope everyone will have a good weekend. I'm going away for the weekend, going to the outdoors. I'll take some pictures. And, um, and yeah, hopefully we'll hear some more news, um, perhaps over the weekend. And, you know, I think for Space Mob, in terms of due diligence, I know folks have been a little frustrated about shipping not happening soon enough, but, um, I do think shipping truly is imminent. So keep, um, keep checking your post. Uh, I'm sure we'll get an update perhaps over the weekend. 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