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2025-09-15 1:12:28

Kook's Weekly - September 15

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In this solo 'Kook's Weekly' recap (Sept 15, 2025), Kook covers a rare Sunday AST SpaceMobile tweet showing what looks like native iOS integration with a satellite indicator on an iPhone.

He also covers ongoing uncertainty over the FM-1/ISRO launch timing and the stock's pullback from ~$60 to the high-$30s. The dominant topic is SpaceX's $19 billion purchase of 50 MHz of S-band spectrum from EchoStar.

Kook argues the market misread that deal as bearish for AST, when he believes it is actually a defensive, multi-year-lagging move by SpaceX that validates AST's cheaper, already-secured Ligado L-band position.

He also runs through Golden Dome/government developments, the Ligado confirmation hearing, FirstNet, a new Homestead, Florida facility, and a critique of Starlink's underlying unit economics. He discloses several of his own non-ASTS investments (DMYY, MFI, VFC, Weight Watchers).

Key Takeaways

  • Kook hosts this solo 'Kook's Weekly' recap; Anpanman is referenced only as an outside contributor (screen grabs, spectrum analysis, a UBS update, and an X Spaces session), not as a co-host in this episode.
  • AST SpaceMobile posted an unusual Sunday tweet/video appearing to show a satellite connectivity indicator integrated directly into iOS on an iPhone (4 bars of signal plus a 'sat' icon), which Kook and others read as a hint of deeper native Apple integration, though no formal Apple partnership announcement has occurred.
  • AST SpaceMobile's stock fell from roughly $60.95 in July 2025 to about $38.37 by mid-September, which Kook attributes mainly to seasonal weakness, delayed launch expectations, and market overreaction to SpaceX's spectrum news rather than any fundamental deterioration.
  • SpaceX agreed to buy 50 MHz of US-only S-band spectrum from EchoStar (Charlie Ergen) for about $19 billion total ($17B cash plus stock, plus $2B of interest relief); the spectrum is not yet supported by any handset, requires new chipsets and satellites, and (per SpaceX) would take about two years to deploy, with the deal not closing until 2027.
  • Kook argues the SpaceX/EchoStar deal is a defensive admission that SpaceX lacked direct-to-device spectrum, and contrasts the ~$19B price for unsupported S-band spectrum with AST's roughly $2 billion (his own rough estimate) all-in cost for 45 MHz of already-usable Ligado L-band spectrum.
  • Kook estimates AST SpaceMobile could have generally available commercial service with continuous coverage as early as 2026, versus SpaceX's spectrum deal not closing until 2027 and (worst case) not deploying until 2028 or later, implying roughly a 3-year head start, and argues no competitor is likely to have a comparable custom low-power ASIC chip within 3-5 years.
  • The Ligado bankruptcy plan confirmation hearing is scheduled for September 22, 2025, with FCC approval of the spectrum transaction as the next step after that.
  • FirstNet executives said new technology, described as a 'differentiated product in partnership with AST SpaceMobile,' is planned to roll out next year (2026); pricing/contract structure (lump sum vs. usage-based, against roughly 6 million FirstNet subscribers) is not yet known.
  • Golden Dome program lead Michael Gitlin was expected to reveal his plan this week, and Kook had heard it may reach President Trump's desk soon; separately, the Missile Defense Agency published a Golden Dome RFP with bidder offers due October 10, 2025, a timeline Kook flags as seemingly inconsistent with an imminent plan reveal.
  • AST SpaceMobile is building a new manufacturing/engineering facility in Homestead, Florida expected to employ around 60 people, intended partly as a recruiting hub outside Midland, alongside a disclosed roughly $200,000 government incentive package.
  • Kook questions whether Starlink is fundamentally a good business today, estimating (his own rough math) roughly $5 billion/year of retail-priced satellite-replacement capex (about $2.5B assuming a 50% launch margin) just to hold its constellation flat, given its low-orbit satellites deorbit quickly.
  • Tim Ferriss published an article speculating the SpaceX spectrum deal was partly meant to pressure Apple; Elon Musk publicly responded that 'pretty much everything is wrong' in the article.
  • Kook clarified he has not diversified away from AST SpaceMobile as his primary position, but disclosed smaller separate holdings in DMYY (a SPAC targeting a Horizon Quantum merger), MFI (a shell company he believes is headed for a reverse merger), VFC, and a new Weight Watchers distressed-debt position.

Detailed Discussion16 topics

Sunday tweet and possible Apple/iOS integration

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:52

    AST SpaceMobile posted an unusual Sunday tweet/video (rare timing for the company) showing what appears to be a sat-to-cell indicator integrated into iOS on an iPhone, with 4 bars of cellular service plus a separate 'sat' indicator in the status bar; Anpanman captured the screen grab that circulated.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:52

    Kook speculates this could reflect deeper native integration beyond AST's baseline 'no special hardware needed' compatibility, pointing to the AT&T/Vodafone/Google side letter and language in the Ligado bankruptcy documents that reportedly contemplates Apple-device integration on the L-band spectrum, with 'real economics tied to that.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:52

    Kook is unsure whether the demoed connection ran over AST's own proprietary test network/core (for testing purposes) or through an actual MNO core; he notes AST previously confirmed (with AT&T corroboration) making calls directly through an MNO core, but his 'strong suspicion' is that this particular clip used AST's own test core rather than a live MNO core, though he says he doesn't know for sure.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:52

    Kook thinks it's 'very reasonable' that a formal Apple/AST partnership story (e.g., in a major outlet) eventually surfaces, similar to how Apple's cooperation with Starlink/T-Mobile became public, and expects Apple to likewise 'accommodate' AT&T and Verizon; he flags a hypothetical tweet from an analyst he calls Katsy/Cathie describing an 'iOS 26 development beta with native FaceTime app doing livestream over Bluebird satellite' as a first take that hasn't been confirmed.

ISRO / FM-1 launch timing

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  • Kook Disagreement 00:00:52

    The chairman of ISRO reportedly put out a slide listing a 'Bluebird mission target' of September 2025, which conflicts with AST's more recently understood launch window of Q1 2026 or a November-to-January window; Kook says he has 'no idea' when the ISRO launch will actually occur and treats this as an unresolved, conflicting signal.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:52

    Kook separately notes there is 'strong hope' AST's next launch (FM-1) will fly on a SpaceX Falcon 9, with a lower (and seemingly declining) chance it ends up on Blue Origin's New Glenn 2, but no confirmed date exists yet; he says he has asked industry contacts but has no firm answer.

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:52

    Kook notes the episode falls around the one-year anniversary of the original Block 1 BlueBird launch (September 2024), remarking that many in the community did not expect a full year to pass before the next satellite launch.

Stock price action

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:52

    Citing a recap by contributor @TutuFly (auto-translated from Spanish), the stock ran up to roughly $60.95 in July 2025 before falling to about $38.37 by mid-September, amid typically weak August/September seasonality.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:52

    Kook and @TutuFly attribute the drop mainly to the market conflating normal seasonal weakness with the delayed satellite launch and the SpaceX spectrum-purchase headline, rather than any real change in AST's fundamentals; Kook notes 'the stock price writes the news.'

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:52

    Kook points out that even an investor who bought AST SpaceMobile stock near a 2024 high of about $40 is still roughly breakeven or better, framing recent volatility as noise for long-term holders.

SpaceX's $19 billion EchoStar spectrum deal

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:23:38

    SpaceX agreed to buy 50 MHz of S-band spectrum from EchoStar (Charlie Ergen) for a total of about $19 billion — roughly $17 billion in cash plus stock, plus about $2 billion of interest relief. The spectrum covers the US only, is not currently supported by any handset (requires new chipsets), requires new satellites, and per SpaceX would take about two years to deploy.

  • Kook Speculation 00:23:38

    Kook believes actual deployment will take considerably longer than SpaceX's stated ~2-year timeline, noting the deal itself won't even close until 2027, and full commercial deployment would still require Apple/Google/Qualcomm-ecosystem chipset support plus FCC approval — putting real availability at 2028 or later in his 'worst case' framing.

Kook's 'defensive, not offensive' thesis on the SpaceX deal

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  • Kook Speculation 00:23:38

    Kook's own (self-described 'unpopular') read, published as his own tweet, is that the spectrum purchase was a defensive move by SpaceX rather than evidence of market dominance — arguing Starlink began as a byproduct business to fill spare Falcon 9 launch capacity, uses Ka/Ku-band frequencies that don't require AST's large phased arrays, and was never structured for the MNO partnerships that direct-to-device requires.

  • Unidentified guest Untagged 00:23:38

    Prompted with 'Why?' in response to Kook's claim that SpaceX wasn't equipped to tackle the direct-to-device market at inception.

  • Kook Speculation 00:23:38

    Kook argues Elon Musk historically avoids partnerships (citing that Tesla never partnered with GM) and doubts Musk would want to work through AT&T's and Verizon's technical/MNO processes; Musk has said he intends to compete as his own MNO, while also acknowledging existing MNOs 'aren't going anywhere' because of their spectrum holdings.

Competitive timeline: ASTS vs. SpaceX direct-to-device

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  • Kook Speculation 00:37:04

    Kook estimates AST SpaceMobile could have a generally available commercial service with continuous coverage in key markets as early as 2026, versus SpaceX's spectrum deal not closing until 2027 and (his worst-case assumption) not deploying until 2028+ — implying at least a 3-year AST head start even before considering chip development.

  • Kook Speculation 00:37:04

    Kook, citing an informal conversation with a friend who is a principal engineer at Nvidia, argues that a custom low-power ASIC (like AST's AST5000) is essential to make satellite-to-unmodified-phone beamforming power-efficient, and believes no competitor — including SpaceX — is likely to have a comparable ASIC on the market in under 3 to 5 years.

  • Kook Speculation 00:37:04

    Kook also flags unresolved technical questions for SpaceX around beamforming, Doppler-effect compensation, and MNO-core network integration, noting AST's own carrier integration reportedly took 'hundreds of thousands of hours' of engineering effort to get working.

Outside commentary and analysis

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  • Kook Speculation 00:37:04

    Kook relays that 'Professor' Kevin Mack characterized the SpaceX/EchoStar spectrum deal as 'largely a non-event' and expects the direct-to-device market to ultimately support three global players, a framing Kook says he agrees with.

  • Unidentified guest Untagged 00:37:04

    Briefly affirms ('Yeah') during Kook's summary of Kevin Mack's take.

  • Kook Speculation 00:37:04

    Kook cites an essay from a contributor called Jagaloon arguing that AST's structural advantages built over the past year (its own spectrum, partner relationships) outweigh the week's negative headlines.

  • Kook Untagged 00:37:04

    Anpanman published spectrum-focused analysis and a UBS research update this week, and separately hosted a well-attended X Spaces session reacting to the SpaceX spectrum news.

Elon Musk on All-In and 'X Phone' speculation

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  • Kook Speculation 00:45:45

    On the All-In podcast, when a co-host remarked that 'Verizon kind of sucks,' Elon Musk reportedly nodded along; Kook doubts this plays well in Verizon's boardroom and thinks it reduces the odds of a SpaceX-Verizon commercial relationship.

  • Kook Speculation 00:45:45

    Kook speculates Musk's real long-term ambition behind the spectrum purchase could be building his own 'X Phone' to bypass Apple's app-store/gatekeeper model, reading Musk's past dismissive comments about an 'X phone' as effectively signaling one is coming.

  • Kook Speculation 00:45:45

    Kook argues this dynamic could push Apple and Google toward supporting AST SpaceMobile as the 'carrier neutral' — and, in his new framing, 'handset-manufacturer neutral' — option, since AST has no plan to build its own phone, unlike a hypothetical SpaceX-built device that would threaten Apple/Google's ecosystems directly.

Spectrum price comparison: Ligado (AST) vs. EchoStar (SpaceX)

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  • Kook Speculation 00:45:45

    Kook estimates (his own rough, unverified math) that AST paid roughly $2 billion all-in for 45 MHz of L-band spectrum — about $550 million upfront plus roughly $200+ million of stock plus $80 million/year of lease payments capitalized — versus SpaceX's $19 billion for 50 MHz of S-band spectrum that isn't yet supported by any handset.

  • Unidentified guest Untagged 00:45:45

    Confirms the SpaceX spectrum in question is S-band ('Of S-band').

  • Kook Speculation 00:45:45

    Kook relays an analysis (attributed to 'Katsy'/Cathie) explaining the price gap: EchoStar's S-band has viable alternative terrestrial/other-constellation uses, while Ligado's L-band was largely 'orphaned' (blocked from terrestrial use due to interference, previously tied mainly to Inmarsat's narrowband maritime use); L-band's lower frequency also requires roughly 30% wider antenna element spacing than S-band (about 10cm vs. 7cm half-wavelength), meaning about 69% more physical antenna area for equivalent gain.

AT&T and FirstNet commentary

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:45:45

    AT&T CEO John Stankey, speaking at a Goldman Sachs conference, said AT&T had considered whether someone would try to become a 4th MNO with the new spectrum and effectively responded 'good luck,' noting that operating a mobile carrier is far more capital-intensive than simply 'hanging 50,000 towers.'

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:55:42

    FirstNet executives publicly said new technology is planned to roll out 'next year' (2026) as a 'differentiated product in partnership with AST SpaceMobile.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:55:42

    Kook doesn't yet know whether the FirstNet commercial structure will be a lump-sum contract or usage-based against FirstNet's roughly 6 million subscribers, and speculates pricing could land in a $10-$20/month range.

Golden Dome and government/defense

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  • Kook Rumor 00:55:42

    Golden Dome program lead Michael Gitlin was expected to reveal his plan this week, and Kook says he has heard the plan may reach President Trump's desk 'tomorrow,' though he flags this as something he 'heard' rather than confirmed.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:55:42

    The Missile Defense Agency published a Golden Dome request for proposals with bidder offers due October 10, 2025 — a timeline Kook notes seems inconsistent with Gitlin supposedly revealing a plan the same week; he says he cannot resolve the apparent conflict.

  • Unidentified guest Untagged 00:55:42

    Briefly affirms ('Yep') during Kook's reading of the Golden Dome RFP timeline.

  • Kook Speculation 00:55:42

    Kook doesn't know what contractual form AST's Golden Dome-related work might take (e.g., selling satellites outright per unit vs. an ongoing service/software contract), but argues AST's vertically integrated, non-radiation-hardened manufacturing approach (avoiding costs he estimates run up to 20x higher for satellites built to survive 15 years) could let it sell satellites at roughly half the price of traditional 'job shop' competitors, plus attach recurring service revenue.

  • Kook Untagged 00:55:42

    FCC Chairman Brendan Carr continues to publicly describe the space-based connectivity market as a 'game changer' in a US-versus-China framing; Kook also cites unnamed government contacts describing Space Force as a top government priority.

Ligado spectrum deal status

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:45:45

    The Ligado bankruptcy plan confirmation hearing is scheduled for September 22, 2025; assuming the plan is confirmed on schedule, the next remaining step toward AST's long-term L-band access is FCC approval of the spectrum transaction.

Manufacturing: Homestead, Florida facility

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:55:42

    AST SpaceMobile is building out a new facility in Homestead, Florida expected to employ around 60 people; Kook mentions an unspecified setback (possibly related to space constraints) and notes bears mocked a disclosed roughly $200,000 government incentive package as small.

  • Kook Speculation 00:55:42

    Kook argues the Homestead facility's importance may be underestimated, since it could serve as a key recruiting tool for top engineering talent outside Midland — he notes, by comparison, that BlueWalker 3 was reportedly built by a core team of only about 12 people, calling this his own speculation.

Is Starlink actually a good business? (Kook's analysis)

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  • Kook Speculation 01:11:14

    Kook's own opportunity-cost estimate: Starlink must replace roughly 5 satellites per day (about a full Falcon 9 launch every 5 days) just to hold its constellation flat because its satellites fly low (around 300km) and deorbit quickly, implying roughly $5 billion/year of maintenance capex at retail launch pricing, or about $2.5 billion/year assuming (his own guess of) a 50% launch margin.

  • Kook Speculation 01:11:14

    Kook questions whether Starlink is fundamentally a good business today, citing historical ARPU north of $100/month (now being cut), terminal subsidies functioning as a customer-acquisition cost, and 'double churn' (subscriber churn plus satellite-fleet churn), and suggests its economics may depend heavily on an unproven transition to Starship and V3 satellites.

  • Kook Speculation 01:11:14

    Kook raises a possible regulatory tail risk for SpaceX: given the pace and scale of its LEO launches, international regulators (e.g., the ITU) could eventually restrict further megaconstellation buildout on orbital-congestion/re-entry-pollution grounds, potentially favoring AST's much smaller (~100-satellite) constellation design.

Tim Ferriss article and Elon Musk's response

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  • Kook Confirmed 01:11:14

    Tim Ferriss published an article (which Kook says he didn't personally find inflammatory) speculating the SpaceX/EchoStar spectrum purchase was partly designed to pressure Apple over spectrum cooperation; Elon Musk publicly responded that 'pretty much everything is wrong' in the article.

Kook's personal (non-ASTS) portfolio disclosures

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  • Kook Untagged 01:11:14

    Kook clarified a prior comment was misread as him diversifying away from AST SpaceMobile; he says that isn't true and the money involved is separate, much smaller capital.

  • Kook Untagged 01:11:14

    Kook holds a position in DMYY, speculating it will complete a merger with Horizon Quantum (a company building tools to translate conventional code into quantum-ready code, led by CEO John Fitzgerald), calling it a 'medium conviction' investment partly held as 'schmuck insurance' after missing IonQ.

  • Kook Untagged 01:11:14

    Kook also holds a position in MFI, a corporate shell he believes with high confidence is being positioned for a reverse-merger/IPO vehicle by an individual he describes as a major Bitcoin holder possibly linked to the HBX crypto exchange.

  • Kook Untagged 01:11:14

    Kook continues to hold VFC ('great and not great') and disclosed a new position in Weight Watchers, describing it as a distressed-debt situation he is tracking via its bankruptcy docket after a weak recent quarter, rather than a fully published investment thesis yet.

Watch Items8

  • Possible formal Apple/AST SpaceMobile partnership announcement

    Kook speculates 'tomorrow or soon,' no confirmed date Kook 00:00:52
  • AST FM-1 (next satellite) launch, expected on SpaceX Falcon 9 with a smaller chance on Blue Origin New Glenn 2

    No confirmed date; ISRO chairman's slide referenced a September 2025 target, conflicting with prior guidance of Q1 2026 or a November-January window Kook 00:00:52
  • Golden Dome program plan reveal by Michael Gitlin

    Expected 'this week'; may reach President Trump's desk 'tomorrow' per Kook's sources Kook 00:55:42
  • Missile Defense Agency Golden Dome request-for-proposal bidding deadline

    Offers due October 10, 2025 Kook 00:55:42
  • Ligado bankruptcy plan confirmation hearing

    Scheduled for September 22, 2025 Kook 00:45:45
  • FCC approval of the AST-Ligado spectrum transaction

    Next step after the September 22 confirmation hearing, no date given Kook 00:45:45
  • FirstNet new AST-partnered technology rollout

    Stated as 'next year' (2026) Kook 00:55:42
  • Blue Origin New Glenn 2 launch

    Upcoming, no specific date given Kook 01:11:14

Open Questions7

  • Was the iPhone sat-to-cell demo shown in AST's Sunday video run over AST's own proprietary test network/core, or through an actual MNO (AT&T/Verizon) core?

    Kook 00:00:52
  • Will there be a formal public announcement of an Apple/AST SpaceMobile partnership, and when?

    Kook 00:00:52
  • Will AST's FM-1 launch fly on ISRO, SpaceX Falcon 9, or (less likely) Blue Origin New Glenn 2, and on what date?

    Kook 00:00:52
  • What contractual structure would AST SpaceMobile's Golden Dome-related work take — selling satellites outright versus an ongoing service/software contract — and will AST even be included in the Golden Dome program?

    Kook 00:55:42
  • Will the FirstNet contract with AST be structured as a lump sum or a usage-based fee tied to FirstNet's roughly 6 million subscribers, and at what price point?

    Kook 00:55:42
  • What obligations, if any, do Apple and Qualcomm have to support the new EchoStar spectrum SpaceX purchased, and could that be used as leverage to get Apple to cooperate with AST/Ligado's L-band spectrum instead?

    Kook 00:45:45
  • Is Starlink actually a good business on a standalone basis today, given its high satellite-replacement capex and reliance on price-subsidized terminals, absent a successful transition to Starship and V3 satellites?

    Kook 01:11:14
2025-09-10 1:22:52

Anpanman - SpaceX / Echostar Spectrum Deal - Implications for MNOs

Anpanman

In a solo X Spaces-style recap, Anpanman reacts to Elon Musk's All-In Podcast comments affirming Starlink's long-term intent to deliver high-bandwidth satellite-to-phone service and to eventually compete with mobile network operators (MNOs). Those comments followed SpaceX's roughly $17 billion EchoStar spectrum purchase.

He argues the deal validates the direct-to-device market AST SpaceMobile pioneered, but that AST remains structurally the more attractive partner for MNOs because it works in revenue-share partnership rather than as a vertically-integrated competitor. He also argues Starlink's new spectrum won't be usable for roughly two years pending new chipsets and V3 satellites.

He frames the space as shaping into a duopoly (or possibly a 3-horse race), and spends most of the episode on listener Q&A covering launch timing, Ligado spectrum economics, Golden Dome, and Skylo.

He closes by arguing that the market is undervaluing AST relative to the value of its Ligado spectrum rights alone.

Key Takeaways

  • Elon Musk, in an interview with the All-In Podcast crew, affirmed that Starlink's long-term strategy includes delivering high-bandwidth satellite-to-phone connectivity and eventually competing directly with MNOs, rather than only partnering with them as SpaceX's official PR states.
  • Anpanman estimates Starlink's newly purchased EchoStar spectrum won't be usable for roughly two years because phone chipsets need to be updated and because the service depends on new SpaceX V3 satellites, which in turn depend on Starship reaching a reliable launch cadence.
  • Anpanman compares Starlink's planned V3 satellite phased array (which he estimates at about 5 meters by 5 meters) to AST SpaceMobile's much larger 15-meter-by-15-meter array, framing this as a continued technical disadvantage for Starlink.
  • AST SpaceMobile's first satellite constellation targets 600-900 MHz low-band spectrum for coverage and building penetration; a second constellation using Ligado's lower mid-band spectrum (1.5 GHz up to as much as 2.6 GHz, per a recent Bell Canada disclosure) is expected to begin deploying satellites around the end of 2026 with service ramping in 2027.
  • Both AST's Ligado spectrum (up to 45 MHz, North America only) and Starlink's newly acquired EchoStar spectrum (50 MHz, US only) are geographically limited to North America/the US, meaning both companies must still separately acquire or negotiate spectrum access in other global markets such as Europe.
  • Anpanman argues that if an MNO like T-Mobile becomes a Starlink MVNO (mobile virtual network operator), it may get favorable near-term economics but risks losing negotiating leverage and ultimately becoming a price-taker if Starlink's direct-to-cell service grows large enough to threaten to take its business elsewhere.
  • AST's SCS (Supplemental Coverage from Space) regulatory application, jointly submitted with AT&T, Verizon, and FirstNet, was accepted by the FCC on the Friday before this episode's Wednesday publish date.
  • AST SpaceMobile has signed commercial agreements with over 50 MNOs globally representing over 3 billion subscribers since announcing its plans in 2020, compared to Starlink's 8 MNO partners (T-Mobile since August 2022 plus 7 others since) representing an estimated ~250 million subscribers.
  • Anpanman values AST SpaceMobile's usage rights to Ligado's spectrum (an 80-year license) at a conservative $15-20 billion, arguing that against AST's roughly $13.5 billion enterprise value, an investor is effectively getting the rest of the company's commercial and defense business for free at current prices.
  • AST SpaceMobile's short interest has risen to about 44 million shares, up from a low of about 33 million shares at the start of August 2025, which Anpanman frames as setting up a potential short squeeze once the company's satellite launch campaign begins.

Detailed Discussion12 topics

Elon Musk's All-In Podcast comments and the EchoStar spectrum deal

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:25

    Elon Musk was interviewed by the All-In Podcast crew and, prompted by the hosts, gave his thoughts on the EchoStar spectrum purchase, affirming it's part of a long-term strategy for Starlink to deliver high-bandwidth satellite-to-phone connectivity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:25

    Starlink's existing direct-to-cell efforts on T-Mobile have had technical issues operating on what Anpanman believes is 5-by-5 megahertz of spectrum; the EchoStar purchase gives them more spectrum for higher capacity.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:25

    Per Musk's own comments, this newly purchased spectrum won't be usable for about 2 years, possibly longer, because handset makers need to incorporate new chipsets supporting it before phones on the market can use it.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:25

    Beyond chipsets, the service also requires SpaceX's V3 satellites, which per Anpanman's understanding of SpaceX's plan will only become available once Starship is operational on a successful, regular launch cadence — a second bottleneck.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:03:10

    Anpanman estimates the V3 satellites' larger phased array at roughly 5 meters by 5 meters, compared to AST SpaceMobile's 15-meter-by-15-meter array — still a disadvantage for Starlink despite having more satellites for coverage.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:03:10

    The wider megahertz bandwidth from the EchoStar spectrum should help Starlink solve some of its current interference issues versus operating in a narrow band.

Spectrum roadmaps: AST's low-band/mid-band plan vs. Starlink's mid-band-only plan

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:03:10

    Starlink today, and for the foreseeable future, only operates on mid-band spectrum — currently 1900 MHz — and will expand into 2 GHz once new satellites are running; this gives decent capacity/throughput outdoors but weaker penetration through walls and buildings.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:03:10

    AST SpaceMobile's first constellation focuses on 600-900 MHz low-band spectrum, which is better for coverage, propagation, and building penetration — a key differentiator versus Starlink.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:03:10

    AST's second constellation will target lower mid-band spectrum from 1.5 GHz up to as much as 2.6 GHz — a figure Bell Canada recently disclosed — leveraging AST's Ligado spectrum; satellites for that shell should start deploying around the end of 2026, with the mid-band service really coming into play sometime in 2027.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:03:10

    AT&T CEO John Stankey, speaking at the Goldman Sachs Communacopia conference the day before this episode, said dense terrestrial networks (with many towers reusing spectrum) will always have the highest throughput/lowest latency performance versus satellite, especially relevant for future AI-enabled applications like drones, robots, and connected cars.

Why AST's MNO-partnership model differs from Starlink's ambitions

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:03:10

    AST SpaceMobile and Starlink both currently need an MNO partner to deliver service and access economics (install base, marketing, sales); unlike Iridium, which had to build a vertically-integrated company, sign its own customers, and develop its own handset from scratch, AST works in a revenue-split partnership model with AT&T and Verizon.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:04

    Starlink already partners with T-Mobile (marketed as 'T-Satellite'), even though the two compete in fixed wireless today; Anpanman calls this a 'Faustian bargain' because T-Mobile is spending marketing dollars promoting a service that could become an increasingly direct competitor.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:03:10

    Musk, when prompted about whether users could eventually just buy wireless service directly from SpaceX, said he's not looking to put MNOs out of business (since they own a lot of spectrum), but described one path as Starlink providing a comprehensive bundle: home internet via Starlink plus direct-to-cell when a user steps outside.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:03:10

    The most likely path for Starlink to build a full consumer wireless offering would be an MVNO (mobile virtual network operator) relationship with T-Mobile and/or a combination of AT&T and Verizon — similar in structure to Mint Mobile or Boost, which use someone else's network under a brand.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:04

    Near-term, an MNO might find an MVNO deal with Starlink economically attractive (getting paid for network access even at a discount), and there's a prisoner's-dilemma dynamic where if one carrier partners with Starlink, the other two are worse off for not partnering too.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:04

    Long-term, if Starlink's mobile service grows large — Anpanman spitballs a hypothetical of 50 million subscribers as a 'credible 4th wireless competitor' — the carrier that initially partnered loses negotiating leverage at contract renewal and could be forced to accept far worse terms, effectively selling its business for pennies on the dollar over time.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:04

    Whoever controls the customer relationship controls pricing power; MNOs currently 'own the keys to wireless mobile access' the way SpaceMobile-related discussions sometimes joke about companies owning 'the keys to space' — even Apple's leverage over MNOs has weakened over time as Android/Samsung's market share has grown.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:04

    By providing Starlink with T-Mobile's PCS-G block spectrum to offer US service, T-Mobile's leverage over Starlink has diminished significantly now that Starlink also owns its own EchoStar spectrum.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:04

    Anpanman contrasts how Abel Avellan or Scott Wisniewski would likely respond to the same 'will you compete with MNOs' question — insisting AST is a wholesaler in 50/50 partnership with MNOs — versus Musk's response affirming an intent to eventually create a global wireless service competing with regional carriers.

Historical precedent: cable companies' failed MVNO attempts

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:28:04

    US cable companies (e.g., Charter/Spectrum, Comcast) bought low-band spectrum around the 2010 AWS-3-era auctions (where Dish won a large share) hoping to bundle wireless with cable, rolling out Wi-Fi hotspots and MVNO-branded mobile service running on Verizon/AT&T's underlying network.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:04

    Those cable-branded wireless efforts got a few million subscribers each but were largely viewed as failures, partly due to cable companies' notoriously poor customer service; eventually cable companies sold their spectrum back to MNOs rather than build out their own towers.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:58

    Starlink is a 'different animal' than the cable companies because of its stronger brand (the Tesla/SpaceX halo effect), making the competitive calculus for MNOs partnering with it more serious than the cable-MVNO precedent.

Handset ambitions and the broader tech ecosystem

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:58

    If Musk ends up owning the customer relationship via a bundled wireless service, there's a real possibility of an X-branded or Tesla-branded phone with deep integration (XAI, Tesla vehicle integration, pre-installed apps) — a genuine strategic threat to Apple and Samsung's core hardware and services businesses (App Store, iCloud, etc.).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:58

    The strategic question is broader than MNOs or handsets — it's whether the industry ends up on 'the Elon stack' (vertically integrated) or an 'open stack' of companies working together, which is where AST SpaceMobile fits as an enabler of an open ecosystem for Microsoft, Amazon, and Google.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:58

    This open-ecosystem thesis is why Google made a strategic investment in AST SpaceMobile, and Anpanman expects Apple, Amazon, and Microsoft to eventually contemplate similar investments to preserve an open environment for their apps.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:36

    Building a phone is historically difficult — Microsoft's own handset effort failed, and Amazon's Fire Phone attempt (along with rumored MVNO plans) never took off — so Musk's path to a competing device/service isn't guaranteed even if the strategic potential is real.

Government, defense, and sovereignty considerations

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:59

    Only 50-70% of land geography is covered by terrestrial MNO networks despite carriers claiming ~99% population coverage; drones, autonomous vehicles, and trucks will need 100% persistent, often high-throughput/low-latency coverage, which is where AST's broadband model (versus low-throughput/high-latency alternatives) matters.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:59

    AST's broadband satellite service is expected to roll out in 2026, while Starlink's equivalent broadband capability (dependent on the new EchoStar spectrum and V3 satellites) is more likely 2027-2028.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:59

    When Musk had conflict with Trump and threatened to pull NASA missions and ISS access, it gave the US government a wake-up call that it can't rely on a single company/founder for critical needs, reinforcing the case for dual or triple-sourcing launch, communications, and imaging providers.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:59

    Europeans similarly learned the importance of sovereignty and control after Starlink service was reportedly cut over Ukraine, which is part of why AST formed the SatCo joint venture with Vodafone (Vodafone leading in Europe), with MNOs across 21 member countries beyond Vodafone expressing interest in signing up.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:59

    AST's role isn't just consumer wireless — it's also relevant for first-responder networks and defense applications, both of which value multi-supplier redundancy.

Market structure: a duopoly (or 3-horse race) in direct-to-device

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:28:04

    Both the EchoStar spectrum (50 MHz, US-only) and AST's Ligado spectrum (up to 45 MHz, North America-only) are geographically limited, so both companies will need years of additional campaigns to acquire or consolidate S-band/L-band spectrum in other global markets.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:04

    In Europe specifically, Starlink may be disadvantaged when spectrum renewals come up in 2027 given the politicization of Starlink around Ukraine and a European focus on sovereignty/defense.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:04

    The market is shaping into a 2-horse race, perhaps a 3-horse race if Globalstar or Iridium finds a way to remain relevant in a different capacity.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:28:04

    Verizon (two days before this episode) and AT&T (the day before) both publicly said 'choice is good' regarding having multiple direct-to-device satellite options, which Anpanman agrees with, framing the real question as which option is an accelerant versus a long-term detriment to an MNO's business.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:43:36

    Since announcing its direct-to-cell plans in August 2022, Starlink has signed only 8 MNO partners globally (T-Mobile first, plus 7 others since), representing an estimated (uncertain, self-corrected) roughly 250 million subscribers, versus AST SpaceMobile's over 50 MNOs and over 3 billion subscribers signed since 2020.

Listener Q&A: SpaceX buying a wireless carrier

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:53:49

    Hypothetically, if SpaceX (valued around $400 billion) wanted to buy T-Mobile (enterprise value about $377 billion), it would be close to a merger of equals requiring SpaceX to issue substantial stock, likely causing Elon to lose control of SpaceX — which Anpanman thinks makes it implausible.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:53:49

    Anpanman compares a hypothetical all-stock SpaceX acquisition of T-Mobile to AOL's stock-funded acquisition of Time Warner, which cratered in value after the dot-com bubble burst — questioning whether Deutsche Telekom (which owns just under 50% of T-Mobile) would want to take 'SpaceX paper.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:53:49

    Even if SpaceX bought one MNO, it would then need to acquire operators market-by-market globally to fully bypass MNOs, which would be extremely expensive and face regulatory hurdles (e.g., whether European/UK regulators would allow a US company to buy a local carrier).

Listener Q&A: defense, launch, and spectrum technical details

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:53:49

    On AST vs. Starlink for DoD PNT/IoT-type applications: Starlink already does some of this via Starshield, but AST SpaceMobile's differentiated large phased array can do specific non-communications use cases better — the company has cited about 10 unique non-communications use cases.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:53:49

    Of the $50-75 million of revenue expected in the second half [of 2025], Anpanman believes a decent portion, in addition to commercial gateway sales, is defense-related.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:53:49

    On concerns SpaceX could refuse to launch AST's satellites: SpaceX (Starlink) and SpaceX (launch) are separate businesses, and SpaceX has repeatedly launched competitors' satellites (OneWeb, Globalstar, Iridium); acting anti-competitively would also raise antitrust concerns under the Clayton Act and Sherman Act and push customers toward Blue Origin/Rocket Lab.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:05:58

    Confirmed to a listener that Starlink's newly acquired spectrum requires chip modifications, similar to AST's Ligado spectrum, though Ligado support in chipsets is further along; phones supporting either spectrum are expected around 2027, coinciding with when the respective mid-band constellations become operational.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 01:05:58

    AST's imminent satellite launch (referred to in this passage as 'Block 3' Bluebird satellites, though this may reflect a garbled/uncertain reference to Block 2) uses 600-900 MHz low-band spectrum compatible with all phones today, unlike the mid-band Ligado/AWS-3 spectrum that needs new chipsets.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:05:58

    Beyond MSS spectrum (Ligado for AST, AWS-3 for Starlink), carriers also hold other non-MSS cellular mid-band spectrum from 1.7-2.6 GHz; both AST and Starlink can enable supplemental or primary coverage on that spectrum for MNO partners once their respective mid-band constellations are operational.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:05:58

    On whether OmniSpace's S-band holdings could be significant: Anpanman is unsure, describing OmniSpace as a 'paper constellation' company with spectrum rights in South America and elsewhere that could eventually be acquired or partnered with, or could lose its licenses, as the market matures into 2-3 players.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:05:58

    On whether T-Mobile could realistically leave Starlink: Anpanman believes there's a path, likely sometime in 2026 once a roughly one-year exclusivity period ends; AT&T has an exclusivity arrangement with AST, while Verizon is not exclusive (it also works with Skylo for simple texting via a GEO satellite service) alongside AST.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:05:58

    Skylo is explained as a middleware/reseller company (not an owner of spectrum or satellites) that aggregates GEO satellite services from providers like Viasat, EchoStar, and Ligado and offers basic texting (and reportedly limited voice) connectivity, currently offered on some Verizon phones; Skylo would become an AST customer once Ligado is acquired by AST, and might also become a Starlink customer, though Anpanman is unsure and needs to research further.

Launch timing and Golden Dome

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  • Anpanman Disagreement 01:06:51

    An ISRO presentation claimed AST's FM-1 satellite would launch in September, which Anpanman believes is probably wrong; his own guess is more likely October, with FM-2 launching on either a SpaceX rideshare or as part of a Blue Origin New Glenn test launch.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:06:51

    Once the launch campaign starts, Anpanman expects a cadence of roughly every 1-2 months, sending batches of 3 to as many as 8 Block 2 satellites into space at a time.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:06:51

    No new Golden Dome updates, but Anpanman feels strongly (based on management commentary/body language and conversations with people familiar with Golden Dome and contractors) that AST's involvement will happen, with timing as the main open question given Trump wants Golden Dome active before his term ends (a little over 3 years away).

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:06:51

    Anpanman guesses initial Golden Dome-related contract awards could start emerging toward the end of September, though it's unclear whether AST would be part of an initial award or a subsequent one.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 01:06:51

    Recalling Scott Wisniewski's comments from the prior week's call, Anpanman notes AST has multiple 'programs of record' with the Department of Defense (now referred to by Anpanman as the 'Department of War'), each with the potential to grow into hundreds of millions of dollars of revenue annually; the government wants 2 or more suppliers to avoid single points of failure.

Ligado spectrum economics and AST's valuation

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  • Anpanman Speculation 01:06:51

    Ligado spectrum (1.5-1.6 GHz) offers better propagation/coverage while AWS-4 spectrum (about 1.9-2 GHz depending on uplink/downlink) offers slightly better capacity; the Department of Defense already has some applications operating in and around Ligado's spectrum, which could position AST well for future defense applications there.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:06:51

    AST was able to acquire Ligado spectrum usage rights at a very low upfront cost partly because of historical interference concerns (when Ligado's stakeholders originally tried to roll out a terrestrial wireless service using spectrum intended for mobile satellite service); AST's satellite architecture is expected to overcome those interference concerns while returning the spectrum to its originally intended satellite-terrestrial use, though Ligado stakeholders retain a revenue-share stake in the upside.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:06:51

    Ligado has stated in its bankruptcy proceedings that its spectrum (on a full-ownership basis) is worth around $33 billion; Anpanman conservatively values AST's 80-year usage rights to that spectrum at $15-20 billion.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:06:51

    Against AST SpaceMobile's roughly $13.5 billion enterprise value, Anpanman argues an investor buying the stock today is effectively getting the Ligado spectrum rights for less than their conservative value and getting the rest of AST's commercial and defense business for free — versus a few months ago when the market ascribed the stock a $60/share value reflecting both the Ligado upside and the broader commercial/defense business.

Short interest and closing thoughts

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 01:06:51

    Short interest in AST SpaceMobile has risen to about 44 million shares, up from a low of about 33 million shares at the beginning of August, which Anpanman frames as priming conditions for a squeeze once the launch campaign begins.

  • Anpanman Speculation 01:06:51

    Anpanman's closing view: Musk's comments confirm the long-term intent to compete with MNOs, which makes strategic sense for Starlink, but MNOs are powerful (T-Mobile's valuation is comparable to SpaceX's, with AT&T and Verizon also large) and will fight back using AST SpaceMobile as 'the tip of the spear,' creating enterprise value for both AST and the carriers that partner with it.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 01:06:51

    AST SpaceMobile was highlighted in a FirstNet presentation the prior day as an important layer for the first-responder network, a business Anpanman describes as significant in its own right.

Watch Items7

  • Launch of AST's next satellite (referred to as FM-1)

    ISRO presentation said September; Anpanman's own guess is more likely October Anpanman 01:06:51
  • FM-2 launch aboard either a SpaceX rideshare or a Blue Origin New Glenn test launch, followed by a recurring launch cadence of roughly every 1-2 months carrying batches of 3-8 Block 2 satellites

    Following FM-1, ongoing Anpanman 01:06:51
  • Potential initial Golden Dome-related contract awards

    Possibly toward the end of September 2025 (guess) Anpanman 01:06:51
  • Deployment of AST's mid-band (Ligado-based) satellite shell

    Satellites deploying around end of 2026; service ramping in 2027 Anpanman 00:03:10
  • Chipsets supporting Ligado spectrum (AST) and AWS-3 spectrum (Starlink) becoming available in phones

    Around 2027, coinciding with mid-band constellations going live Anpanman 01:05:58
  • T-Mobile's exclusivity period with Starlink ending, potentially allowing a switch to AST SpaceMobile

    Roughly sometime in 2026 Anpanman 01:05:58
  • European spectrum renewals where Starlink may be politically disadvantaged versus AST/Vodafone's SatCo

    2027 Anpanman 00:28:04

Open Questions6

  • Whether AT&T and Verizon would be comfortable with T-Mobile dropping Starlink and switching to AST SpaceMobile once T-Mobile's exclusivity period ends.

    Anpanman 01:05:58
  • Whether Verizon might act as an MVNO for Starlink, and whether that would be a wise long-term strategic tradeoff for Verizon.

    Anpanman 00:53:49
  • Whether OmniSpace's existing S-band spectrum rights could become a significant piece of the direct-to-device competitive landscape, or whether OmniSpace gets acquired or loses its licenses.

    Anpanman 01:05:58
  • What ultimately happens to Skylo as a business once Ligado (a key supplier to Skylo) is acquired by AST SpaceMobile, and whether Skylo also ends up as a Starlink customer.

    Anpanman 01:05:58
  • Whether AST SpaceMobile will be part of an initial Golden Dome-related contract award or only a subsequent one.

    Anpanman 01:06:51
  • Whether mainstream financial media (e.g., CNBC) and Wall Street analysts will properly credit AST SpaceMobile as a competing/leading player as Starlink direct-to-cell coverage increases, rather than treating Starlink as a de facto monopoly in the space.

    Anpanman 00:43:36
2025-09-08 46:51

Kook's Weekly - September 8

Kook

Kook delivers a solo 'Kook's Weekly' recap, with no Anpanman this episode. He argues that a recent AST SpaceMobile stock pullback into the low-$40s is retail-driven panic and short-covering-then-reloading, unsupported by the fundamentals, which he says are accelerating.

He walks through a cluster of FCC filings: SES service-link and SCS applications accepted, plus gateway/feeder-link STA approval. He also covers highlights from Scott Wisniewski's Bank of America fireside chat and a wave of AST defense/DOD hiring signals.

A Barron's piece on satellite 'natural monopolies' also comes up, which he argues favors AST's MNO-based commercial moat over SpaceX's.

His headline conclusion: near-term FM1/FM2 shipping-schedule noise and short-interest gyrations are noise against a multi-year thesis he still expects to produce a very large market cap.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook (solo host this week, no Anpanman) argues that the ASTS stock decline into the low $40s is driven by retail panic and short-term technical/psychological factors rather than any change in company fundamentals.
  • Real-time short interest rose from about 33 million shares at the start of August to about 41.7 million shares, which Kook says reflects shorts covering near $60 and then reloading in the low $40s — and he argues the true directional short increase is even larger once convertible-bond-hedge delta changes are accounted for.
  • The FCC accepted AST SpaceMobile's SCS (Supplemental Coverage from Space) service-link application, jointly filed with AT&T, Verizon, and FirstNet, covering the full 248-satellite constellation request; public comments are due October 6, 2025 and reply comments October 23, 2025.
  • The FCC also granted a blanket Special Temporary Authority (STA) approval for gateway/feeder-link operations covering FM1 and the next batch of satellites, effectively covering AST's full 25-satellite authorized fleet.
  • AST SpaceMobile tweeted that the (FM1) BlueBird satellite is fully assembled with final tests being completed imminently, after apparent confusion over exact shipping timing; Kook believes the satellite has completed thermal-vacuum (TVAC) testing and continues additional testing (battery, propellant loading) before shipment.
  • At a Bank of America fireside chat this week, AST President Scott Wisniewski reaffirmed Block 1 satellites will generate tens of millions of dollars in revenue, reaffirmed a path to cash-flow breakeven, reaffirmed a 45-to-60-satellite fleet target for 24/7 coverage, described a roughly 10-year technology lead over competitors, and said FM1 was ready to ship in August with no major issues in final testing.
  • Kook highlights a wave of AST job postings in Tyson's Corner, Virginia (a defense-industry hub) and other listings requiring military systems/waveform expertise, plus a tweet from AST's Siddharth Patel saying the company is 'growing our DOD team' — read as strong evidence of an accelerating defense/government business line, potentially connected to the Golden Dome missile-defense initiative.
  • A Barron's article calling SpaceX's Starlink a 'natural monopoly' in LEO broadband is, in Kook's view, an even stronger argument for AST SpaceMobile, because AST's MNO-based commercial/wholesale model (with AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile-equivalent already spoken for by rivals) creates a moat that a vertically-integrated launch company alone does not have.
  • Kook speculates that some AST short interest may be driven by hedge funds long EchoStar/Aurora (Charlie Ergen's DTC constellation being built by MDA) using ASTS as a short hedge against their EchoStar stub-value exposure, since there's no other liquid way to short that exposure directly.
  • Kook says he heard concern about the 2025/2026 launch cadence shifting to roughly 6 satellites launched in 2025 with more (he cites a number that sounds like '20' but is transcribed as '200,' which he does not use, so treat the fleet figure by early 2026 as uncertain) arriving in early 2026, but argues that as time passes the 'delay' matters much less because financing risk (previously the real threat behind any slip) is now off the table.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

Market sentiment, stock action, and short interest

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:33

    Kook describes the stock price behavior over the past year as chaotic, with retail investors and even institutions who lack full conviction in the thesis panicking around near-term events (like whether FM1 ships August 31st or September 1st) even though such micro-timing doesn't affect long-term company value.

  • Kook Speculation 00:03:47

    Kook compares ASTS to a 'King Tut portfolio' of long-duration, back-ended-NPV secular winners (including companies like Aurora) that all got hit hard during the recent August/September growth-stock, interest-rate-driven market dislocation — he argues this doesn't mean the theses are wrong.

  • Kook Speculation 00:08:33

    Real-time short interest (per 'NPMN' data, likely referring to Ortex or similar short-interest tracking) rose from 33 million shares at the start of August to 41.7 million shares; Kook says shorts covered near $60 and reloaded in the low $40s, and that the true directional short increase is larger than the raw 8-9 million share change because convertible-note hedgers would have reduced their delta/hedge size as the price fell.

  • Kook Speculation 00:09:20

    Kook argues that shorts believe management has 'lost credibility' over ambiguous wording in recent press releases (the 'definition of is' framing), and that he sometimes plays along publicly as a fearful paper-hand to encourage further short buildup before an eventual squeeze.

  • Kook Speculation 00:22:49

    Kook discusses stop-losses and chart/technical-analysis debates (referencing 'Reformed Trader' and others) as generally antithetical to a fundamentals-based, multi-year investment approach, arguing the people who make the most money focus on fundamentals over a long horizon rather than technicals.

AT&T marketing and partner behavior

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  • Kook Speculation 00:06:03

    Kook describes receiving an AT&T-branded gift package (a 'Dallas We Have a Connection' waffle maker, a power bank, and other items) with countdown-style messaging around the same time as FM1 shipment timing questions, and frames this as AT&T — effectively an informed insider given its spectrum lease, FCC lobbying, and launch coordination role — signaling that things are on track by generating organic investor buzz.

  • Kook Speculation 00:07:40

    Kook encourages listeners who hold ASTS stock and are T-Mobile subscribers to switch to AT&T, framing AT&T's marketing outreach to investors as a sign of confidence in the AST SpaceMobile partnership.

Regulatory / FCC filings

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  • Kook Untagged 00:12:47

    Kook explains the three regulatory approval 'tridents': backhaul/TT&C via Q/V-band for satellite tracking and control, ground station (gateway) approvals, and SCS service-link approvals that let phones connect directly to satellites.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:13:33

    The FCC officially accepted the SCS service-link filing made jointly by AST SpaceMobile, AT&T, FirstNet, and Verizon, covering all 248 requested satellites and locking in low-band spectrum from AT&T, Verizon, and FirstNet, including requested waivers; public comments are due October 6, 2025 and reply comments are due October 23, 2025.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:15:12

    Kook notes that critics questioned whether AST could legally obtain the requested spectrum waivers, but says the SES legislation specifically contemplated a waiver process for public-safety spectrum integration, per a point made by 'Katniss' (an X commentator).

  • Kook Speculation 00:15:40

    Kook expects possible 'SpaceX lawfare' opposition during the comment process, similar to prior instances where the FCC dismissed SpaceX's objections as moot during other AST-related dockets.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:16:12

    The FCC also granted a blanket Special Temporary Authority (STA) approval for gateway/feeder-link operations to operate FM1 plus the next satellites, covering AST's full 25-satellite authorized fleet (including the existing Block 1 satellites).

FM1 / FM2 status and satellite testing

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:16:39

    AST SpaceMobile posted a tweet stating the (FM1) BlueBird satellite is 'fully assembled' with final tests being completed imminently, which Kook says caused confusion over precise wording, alongside new photos of large satellite structures believed to show FM1/FM2 undergoing vibration or thermal-vacuum (TVAC) testing.

  • Kook Speculation 00:18:12

    Kook believes FM1 has already completed TVAC (thermal-vacuum chamber) testing and is now undergoing additional testing (e.g., battery maintenance/testing, propellant-loading considerations) before it is actually shipped, noting that 'ready to ship' does not mean testing stops.

  • Kook Speculation 00:17:55

    Kook says the FM2 structure is visible in newly released photos and appears ready for integration work, per analysis credited to an X user 'Katzi.'

Scott Wisniewski's Bank of America fireside chat

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:19:33

    Scott Wisniewski said Block 1 satellites are expected to generate 'tens of millions of dollars' in revenue and reaffirmed the company's belief it can reach cash-flow breakeven with its satellites, and reaffirmed a 45-to-60 satellite fleet target needed to achieve 24/7 coverage.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:19:52

    Wisniewski described AST as having roughly a 10-year technology head start versus competitors and said the company does not intend to 'sleep on' that lead.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:20:07

    Wisniewski discussed the L-band spectrum deal (Ligado) as reinforcing AST's competitive moat by enabling more differentiation and more traffic capacity with MNO partners; Kook adds that he hopes the Ligado bankruptcy confirmation hearing gets scheduled this month, after which the deal would still need SEC/FCC approval.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:20:31

    Wisniewski said FM1 was ready to ship in August, with no major issues in final testing and shipping.

Defense / DOD business signals

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  • Kook Speculation 00:29:19

    Kook cites a tweet (from 'Cyrus the Great') showing multiple AST SpaceMobile engineering job postings located in Tyson's Corner, Virginia — a hub for defense-industry/DOD-adjacent companies — well outside the Midland, Texas base, as evidence AST is standing up a government/defense hub.

  • Kook Speculation 00:30:39

    Additional job postings cited (from 'Buckeye State' and 'cats') require expertise in 'military systems and waveforms' and describe a Fairwinds Technology-related 'next generation network account manager' role responsible for militarizing AST's broadband device with AFD tactical hub systems across military branches.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:31:22

    David Pollack (described as AST's head of its government initiative) retweeted some of these defense job postings, and Siddharth Patel, described as director of events/programs at AST SpaceMobile, tweeted that the company is 'growing our DOD team' and inviting applicants (with a typo referencing 'DOW,' i.e., the renamed Department of War).

  • Kook Speculation 00:31:47

    Kook connects this hiring wave to the broader 'Golden Dome' missile-defense initiative, saying he hopes for (but doesn't know if AST will get) a 'marquee role' in Golden Dome, and expects a large, sticky, bond-like government/DOD revenue stream on top of AST's consumer business, similar to how the market values SpaceX's government revenue.

Barron's 'natural monopoly' article and competitive moat framing

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  • Kook Speculation 00:32:53

    Kook summarizes a Barron's article titled around the idea that Elon Musk/SpaceX has a 'natural monopoly' in low-Earth-orbit satellite broadband due to high fixed costs and economies of scale, but argues AST SpaceMobile has an even stronger natural-monopoly case because of its commercial (MNO-based, super-wholesale) model, which SpaceX's vertically-integrated launch-plus-constellation model lacks.

  • Kook Speculation 00:35:44

    Kook argues launch services are likely a commoditizing, low-moat business subject to price competition, whereas AST's deep ties with MNOs (with the three main US carriers largely already spoken for) create a durable competitive moat that a third-party trying to build a rival constellation could not easily replicate, referencing Scott Wisniewski's comment on the BofA fireside chat that telecom markets typically settle into 2, maybe a distant 3rd competitor.

  • Kook Speculation 00:37:34

    Kook believes that once investors broadly accept the 'natural monopoly' framing for satellite-to-phone connectivity (already applied to SpaceX/Starlink), it becomes easier to extend that framing — and the resulting high trading multiples (comparing to Palantir-like multiples) — to AST SpaceMobile.

EchoStar / Aurora hedge theory on short interest

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  • Kook Speculation 00:38:35

    Kook theorizes that some AST short interest is driven by hedge funds with large EchoStar positions (exposed to the implied stub value of Charlie Ergen's Aurora direct-to-device constellation being built by MDA) using a short position in AST SpaceMobile as a hedge against that EchoStar exposure, since there is no other sufficiently liquid vehicle to short that risk directly.

  • Kook Speculation 00:40:01

    Kook argues anyone running an 'EchoStar long / ASTS short' pairs trade carries significant idiosyncratic risk, and suspects such traders haven't fully considered that AST relies on internal vertical integration rather than a third-party prime contractor (as Aurora reportedly does), which he believes matters for execution flexibility and agility.

Launch cadence and long-term trajectory

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  • Kook Speculation 00:42:49

    Kook references investor concern that AST may only launch around 6 satellites in 2025, with more satellites (he references a number that in the transcript sounds like '200' but which is very likely a garbled/mis-transcribed figure, possibly meant to be a much smaller number like 20) following in early 2026 — he says this caused brief panic but argues the passage of time reduces the practical impact of any such slip, especially since the earlier real risk (that a delay could threaten the company's ability to fund itself) is now off the table.

  • Kook Speculation 00:43:52

    Kook says it's still unclear where FM1 will end up in the launch queue, but there is hope it could get an accelerated launch slot sometime in October.

  • Kook Speculation 00:44:12

    Kook draws an analogy to Tesla's product-line market-cap unlocks (Roadster, then Model S as proof of concept, then the much larger unlock from Model 3 mass-market production, then further unlocks from Shanghai/Germany factories and new TAM from products like Optimus), predicting AST SpaceMobile will follow similar step-function unlocks and could eventually reach a market cap in the hundreds of billions of dollars.

Watch Items5

  • FCC public comment period on AST's SCS service-link application (jointly filed with AT&T, Verizon, FirstNet, covering the 248-satellite constellation)

    Comments due October 6, 2025; reply comments due October 23, 2025 Kook 00:13:33
  • Ligado bankruptcy confirmation hearing scheduling, followed by needed SEC/FCC approval

    Hoped for 'this month' (September 2025), per Kook Kook 00:20:07
  • Possible accelerated FM1 launch slot

    Possibly sometime in October 2025 (unconfirmed) Kook 00:43:52
  • Potential AST SpaceMobile role in the Golden Dome missile-defense initiative

    No specific date given; described as upcoming/expected based on hiring trends Kook 00:31:47
  • Launch cadence for the rest of 2025 into 2026 (roughly 6 satellites in 2025, with additional satellites — count uncertain in the transcript — following in early 2026)

    Late 2025 into early 2026 Kook 00:42:49

Open Questions4

  • When exactly will the Ligado bankruptcy confirmation hearing be scheduled, and will SEC/FCC approval of the AST-Ligado spectrum deal proceed smoothly afterward?

    Kook 00:20:07
  • Where will FM1 actually fall in the launch queue, and will it get an accelerated slot in October?

    Kook 00:43:52
  • Will AST SpaceMobile secure a marquee role in the Golden Dome defense program?

    Kook 00:31:47
  • Is a meaningful portion of current AST short interest actually a hedge against EchoStar/Aurora stub-value exposure rather than a direct bearish view on AST fundamentals?

    Kook 00:38:35
2025-09-08 1:13:09

Anpanman - SpaceX / Echostar spectrum transaction strategic implications

Anpanman · Unidentified guest

Anpanman hosts a solo, same-day reaction space to EchoStar's announced $17 billion sale of its AWS-3, AWS-4, and H-block spectrum to SpaceX. He covers why the deal validates the direct-to-device market AST SpaceMobile pioneered, while also making SpaceX/Starlink a more credible long-term competitor.

His headline conclusion is that the market is now a two-player "duopoly" between AST SpaceMobile and SpaceX, and that AST's own Ligado L-band spectrum looks dramatically undervalued by comparison. He estimates Ligado could be worth $15-20 billion, versus AST's own enterprise value falling to roughly $12-14 billion on the morning's sell-off.

He also concludes the sector will now draw far more institutional investor attention. He fields listener questions on S-band regulatory dynamics, Apple/Globalstar, T-Mobile's awkward position, and the odds of Elon Musk launching his own phone.

Key Takeaways

  • EchoStar announced on the morning of September 8, 2025 that it agreed to sell its AWS-3 and AWS-4 spectrum plus its H-block spectrum (adjacent to the G-block used for T-Mobile's Direct-to-Cell service) to SpaceX for a reported $17 billion.
  • Anpanman argues this deal validates the direct-to-device market AST SpaceMobile created in 2017, since SpaceX is now betting $17 billion that the market is real, and it cements a two-player (AST SpaceMobile and SpaceX/Starlink) market structure going forward.
  • Anpanman estimates that using this transaction as a comp, AST's own Ligado L-band spectrum (45 MHz, 80-year US/Canada rights acquired earlier in 2025) could be worth roughly $15-20 billion, which by itself exceeded AST's intraday enterprise value of about $12 billion after the stock sold off to $36 that morning.
  • On the news, T-Mobile's market cap fell about $12.2 billion, AT&T's fell about $7 billion, and Verizon's fell about $4 billion, which Anpanman reads as reflecting fear that Starlink will now expand from fixed wireless into mobile wireless competition with MNOs.
  • A Semafor report cited by Anpanman said Deutsche Telekom (T-Mobile's majority owner) pulled T-Mobile out of bidding for the EchoStar spectrum over price concerns, meaning T-Mobile's own Direct-to-Cell partner, SpaceX, ended up outbidding T-Mobile for spectrum T-Mobile wanted.
  • Anpanman believes AST SpaceMobile remains structurally different from Starlink because AST operates as a 'super wholesaler' in partnership with MNOs (over 50 global MNO partnerships) rather than competing with them, whereas Starlink's core fixed-wireless business already competes with MNOs and could extend into mobile.
  • EchoStar is set to receive over $7 billion of SpaceX stock as part of the deal, reportedly at a fixed dollar value (SpaceX shares valued around $212 each), which Anpanman flags as a risk for EchoStar shareholders if SpaceX later raises money at a higher valuation.
  • Anpanman says AST SpaceMobile separately paid about $67 million for global S-band ITU priority rights, giving it (along with EchoStar and OmniSpace) a 'front of the line' position with regulators for future S-band allocations, distinct from the $17 billion SpaceX paid for already-allocated US spectrum.
  • Anpanman raises the odds that Elon Musk eventually launches a Starlink-branded phone (via an MVNO deal with T-Mobile for low-band coverage) now that Starlink has its own spectrum, though he still sees it as more likely SpaceX partners rather than fully becomes an MNO.
  • Anpanman flags upcoming AST catalysts he expects in the near term: continued satellite launch/network deployment, additional commercial defense agreements, and potential expansion of FirstNet-related work by the end of the month.

Detailed Discussion7 topics

The EchoStar-SpaceX spectrum deal

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:53

    EchoStar announced this morning (September 8, 2025) a deal to sell its AWS-3 and AWS-4 spectrum to SpaceX, along with its H-block spectrum, which Anpanman says neighbors the G-block spectrum currently used for T-Mobile's Direct-to-Cell service.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    The transaction is valued at $17 billion, which Anpanman calls a 'bet' by SpaceX that validates the direct-to-device market AST SpaceMobile has been building since 2017, countering years of skepticism from legacy industry players about whether the technology or economics would work.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman says most of the market had priced in this outcome as a relatively low probability, and that most industry watchers expected T-Mobile (or, less likely, Verizon) to end up with the spectrum rather than SpaceX.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    SpaceX will also retain EchoStar's European S-band spectrum rights through 2027, when those licenses come up for renewal; Anpanman guesses regulators will eventually split European S-band roughly three ways among Iris (the EU's homegrown solution), SpaceX/Starlink (if renewed), and AST SpaceMobile via its SatCo joint venture.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:59:52

    Anpanman explains that most of the $17 billion price reflects the already-FCC-allocated US AWS-3, AWS-4, and H-block spectrum (roughly 1.9-2.0 GHz, i.e. higher mid-band), which he contrasts with AST's Ligado L-band spectrum (1.5-1.7 GHz, lower mid-band), calling AST's Ligado deal the closer apples-to-apples comparison.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:59:52

    The deal will need FCC review; Anpanman guesses it could be approved sometime next year (2026), around a similar timeframe to the Ligado deal's approval, and doesn't see a reason the FCC would block it given the agency's stated interest in getting unused spectrum into service.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:59:52

    Anpanman guesses SpaceX's spectrum won't be usable until its V3 satellites and Starship are operational, drawing a rough parallel to AST's own Ligado-spectrum timeline of satellites launching toward the end of 2026 and mid-band service starting sometime in 2027 (his own guess, not stated as company guidance).

Market cap and stock reaction

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:53

    On the news, T-Mobile's market cap fell approximately $12.2 billion, AT&T's fell approximately $7 billion, and Verizon's fell approximately $4 billion, though Anpanman notes T-Mobile partially recovered later in the day.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    AST SpaceMobile stock sold off this morning to as low as $36 a share, which Anpanman says put the enterprise value at roughly $12 billion at that point -- below his estimate of Ligado spectrum's standalone value -- and he says he personally bought stock during the dip, calling the $30s a great buying opportunity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:59:52

    Later in the discussion Anpanman revises his reference enterprise-value figure for AST to about $14 billion versus his estimated $20 billion value for Ligado, reiterating that he thinks the market is mispricing AST relative to its spectrum assets alone.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Globalstar shares rose about 70% on the news, which Anpanman attributes to investors assigning new value to Globalstar's own (limited) spectrum holdings -- he estimates Globalstar holds around 11 MHz of L-band plus roughly 5 MHz of uplink and 5 MHz of downlink, though he says he needs to research this further.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman relays that an institutional portfolio manager (a friend's contact at a large 'pod shop') called to say they were buying AST stock because they believed the market's negative reaction was wrong and that the deal would bring far more institutional focus to the direct-to-device sector broadly.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:00:53

    Anpanman notes that traders who were long EchoStar and short AST SpaceMobile -- a trade he says Kook had mentioned on a call the previous night involved roughly 7-8 million shares short AST since the start of August -- were likely unwinding that position today, which may explain some support for the AST share price off its lows.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:59:52

    Anpanman notes AST stock had already sold off over the prior week before today's announcement, which he attributes to information leakage among hedge funds and industry insiders rather than any company-specific negative news.

SpaceX/Starlink competitive positioning vs. AST SpaceMobile

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman argues SpaceX 'absolutely had to' do this deal because its phased-array technology can't currently form precise beams, making unlicensed reliance on partner terrestrial spectrum untenable for country-by-country service; owning MSS-type spectrum lets it cover wide areas without respecting borders as strictly.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:53

    SpaceX's press release stated its next-generation V3 satellites will have higher capacity and that SpaceX is developing its own ASIC chip (rather than relying on FPGAs), which Anpanman reads as SpaceX iterating toward closer technical parity with AST over time.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman contrasts AST's 'super wholesaler' model -- partnering with MNOs, no ambition to become a carrier -- with Starlink's fixed-wireless business, which already competes directly with MNOs' fixed-wireless and fiber offerings, arguing Starlink's business model is fundamentally less MNO-friendly.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:53

    AST SpaceMobile has more than 50 disclosed global MNO partnerships versus Starlink's 9 disclosed MNO partnerships (with SpaceX's press release referencing additional undisclosed partners), which Anpanman cites as evidence of AST's partnership-model lead.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman lays out a path by which Starlink could eventually become closer to a full MNO -- e.g., a virtual network operator (MVNO) deal with T-Mobile for low-band coverage, similar to how Boost Mobile or Mint operate today -- while saying a full standalone MNO buildout, or acquiring T-Mobile outright, would be very costly and difficult globally.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman raises the odds that Elon Musk eventually releases his own Starlink-branded phone as 'semi-decent' and higher than before this deal, envisioning an MVNO arrangement with T-Mobile for low-band coverage plus Starlink's own spectrum for a broadband boost, though he stops short of calling it likely.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman expects this deal will pressure MNOs to sign with AST SpaceMobile sooner rather than later as a hedge against Starlink's growing capability, and expects AST to announce additional MNO partnerships in the coming months and quarters.

AST's own spectrum strategy and valuation comp

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman argues the deal validates AST's own January 2025 decision to acquire Ligado's spectrum out of bankruptcy (45 MHz of L-band across the US and Canada, 80-year rights), which some investors had questioned as a pivot away from AST's core business at the time.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman says AST separately paid roughly $67 million for global S-band ITU priority rights, describing it as an 'ante' that puts AST third in line (behind EchoStar and OmniSpace) to negotiate S-band allocations with regulators in markets where S-band has not yet been assigned.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman expects that in most global markets where S-band rights are unallocated, regulators will split allocations between AST SpaceMobile and SpaceX/Starlink (e.g., 5x5 MHz or 10x10 MHz each) rather than award all of it to one player, partly because governments prefer not to rely on a single provider, especially for defense/first-responder use cases.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman frames the consumer direct-to-device TAM using a Bank of America estimate of roughly $30 billion annually, not counting government and defense applications, and argues that market size was never going to support a single winner.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman predicts the sector settles into a 'highly profitable duopoly' between AST SpaceMobile and SpaceX/Starlink rather than the three-player oligopoly structure typical of traditional wireless markets, given the scale of investment required in spectrum and constellations.

EchoStar deal structure and downstream implications

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    EchoStar is set to receive more than $7 billion of SpaceX stock as part of the transaction, which Anpanman says appears to be a fixed-dollar-value award (SpaceX shares reportedly valued at $212/share); he flags a risk that if SpaceX later raises a round at a higher valuation, EchoStar would simply receive fewer (not more valuable) shares for the same fixed dollar amount.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman says EchoStar becomes a 'risk arb' trade post-announcement, with remaining optionality tied to whether EchoStar's pay-TV assets (Dish/Sling) eventually merge with DirecTV, a combination that has failed regulatory approval in the past but could be more feasible under the current administration.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:59:52

    Anpanman cites a Semafor report (published roughly the week before this episode) stating Deutsche Telekom, which owns just under half of T-Mobile, told T-Mobile to pull back from bidding on the EchoStar spectrum because the price was too high -- meaning T-Mobile's own direct-to-cell partner, SpaceX, ended up outbidding T-Mobile for spectrum T-Mobile wanted.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:59:52

    Anpanman calls this an awkward dynamic for the T-Mobile/SpaceX partnership going forward, questioning what it signals about SpaceX's long-term intentions toward T-Mobile even as both companies publicly frame the deal as strengthening their partnership.

Impact on Apple/Globalstar and other players

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman argues the deal puts pressure on Apple's Globalstar partnership, since Globalstar's planned next-generation constellation (built with MDA Space) is not expected to support broadband capability, leaving Apple's satellite strategy narrower than what SpaceX may eventually offer.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:53

    Anpanman references a prior 'Information' article he had tweeted (from a few months earlier) reporting Apple currently has no plans to become an MNO or directly own spectrum, having instead structured its Globalstar investment around funding roughly 85% of Globalstar's satellite capacity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman views the deal as a net positive for Google, reasoning that if Starlink eventually builds its own phone it would likely run Android, giving Google more device share rather than less -- though he stresses this is speculative and years out.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:53

    Anpanman says other companies pursuing their own direct-to-device constellations (e.g., Viasat) are now effectively reduced to being 'spectrum bets' given the difficulty of fielding a credible constellation to compete with AST and SpaceX.

Listener Q&A

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:59:52

    Asked whether this deal affects EchoStar's role as an AT&T MVNO for Boost Mobile, Anpanman says he doesn't think it changes the near-term contractual relationship, though it could matter whenever the arrangement is renegotiated in future years.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:59:52

    Asked whether the spectrum could be used for fixed wireless rather than only direct-to-device, Anpanman says yes, it's possible depending on satellite bandwidth capability, though performance to a phone's small antenna won't match a dedicated dish-based service like Starlink or Kuiper.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:59:52

    Asked why AST stock dropped in the three days before this announcement, Anpanman speculates it reflects information leakage among hedge funds and industry insiders piecing together signs the deal was coming (e.g., the Semafor report on T-Mobile's bidding), rather than any AST-specific bad news.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:59:52

    Asked whether T-Mobile could join AST SpaceMobile's MNO coalition once its Starlink exclusivity ends in a few months, Anpanman says he doesn't expect it near-term, since AT&T and Verizon likely prefer to let T-Mobile struggle competitively, though he says regulators or a strategic reassessment by AT&T/Verizon could theoretically open the door.

Watch Items5

  • FCC regulatory review/approval of the SpaceX-EchoStar spectrum transaction

    Anpanman guesses sometime next year (2026), around a similar timeframe to the Ligado deal's approval Anpanman 00:59:52
  • AST's Ligado-spectrum-enabled mid-band satellites and service

    Anpanman's own guess: satellites launching toward the end of 2026, with service starting sometime in 2027 Anpanman 00:59:52
  • Continued AST launch and network deployment

    Ongoing near-term catalyst, no specific date given Anpanman 00:59:52
  • Additional commercial and defense agreements, including potential expansion of FirstNet-related work

    Anpanman says this is 'becoming pretty ripe' for expansion by the end of the month (September 2025) Anpanman 00:59:52
  • European S-band spectrum license renewal (currently held via EchoStar, to become SpaceX's) as a three-way allocation question among Iris, SpaceX, and AST's SatCo

    Licenses come up for renewal in 2027 Anpanman 00:00:53

Open Questions7

  • Will the FCC approve the SpaceX-EchoStar spectrum transaction, and on what timeline?

    Anpanman 00:59:52
  • How will global regulators divide unallocated S-band spectrum rights between AST SpaceMobile, SpaceX, and any other credible players?

    Anpanman 00:00:53
  • Will Elon Musk pursue a friendlier or more contentious approach with European regulators ahead of the 2027 S-band license renewal decision?

    Anpanman 00:00:53
  • Does SpaceX's spectrum purchase, and T-Mobile being outbid for it by its own partner, change the strategic value or trajectory of the T-Mobile-Starlink partnership?

    Anpanman 00:59:52
  • Will Apple continue investing in Globalstar, pursue a different direct-to-device strategy, or does its satellite ambition stay limited to low-level IoT/messaging given Globalstar's constrained next-generation constellation capability?

    Anpanman 00:00:53
  • Will T-Mobile eventually be allowed to join AST SpaceMobile's MNO partnership network once its Starlink exclusivity period ends?

    Anpanman 00:59:52
  • Will Elon Musk ultimately launch a standalone Starlink-branded phone, and if so, on what timeline and business model (MVNO partnership vs. owned network)?

    Anpanman 00:00:53
2025-09-03 42:33

Fireside chat with Scott Wisniewski

Scott Wisniewski · Unidentified guest

This episode republishes a fireside chat between an unidentified Bank of America analyst (moderating a BofA conference session) and Scott Wisniewski, AST SpaceMobile's President and Chief Strategy Officer, recorded around the company's Q2 2025 earnings period. Neither Anpanman nor Kook appear in this episode.

Wisniewski covers AST's funding position ($1.55B pro forma balance sheet as of June 30), satellite and launch cadence targets, government/defense revenue, and carrier revenue-share economics.

He also covers spectrum strategy, including the pending Ligado L-band deal and new S-band ITU rights, and competitive positioning versus Starlink and Amazon Kuiper.

The headline conclusion is that AST is targeting 45-60 satellites for 24/7 coverage and commercial service ramp in 2026.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile President and Chief Strategy Officer Scott Wisniewski said the company had $1.55 billion on its balance sheet pro forma as of June 30, which he said fully funds AST's initial network of approximately 50 satellites.
  • Wisniewski laid out three satellite milestones: 5 satellites already generate tens of millions of dollars in US government revenue; 25 satellites is the company's estimated cash-flow breakeven point; and 45-60 satellites is the current target needed for 24/7 coverage in the US, Europe, Japan, and for the US government.
  • AST's carrier commercial model is structured as an add-on, à la carte service (similar to an international roaming pass) with a revenue-share arrangement enshrined in operator contracts, rather than a wholesale or pure per-sub pricing model.
  • Wisniewski said AST's current satellite build (Block 2 BlueBirds) is focused on low-band spectrum (700, 800, up to roughly 960 MHz); mid-band (L-band/S-band) capability would be added later, with regulatory approval expected in 2026 and broader mid-band strategy execution in 2027.
  • The Ligado L-band spectrum transaction — which would give AST long-term (80-plus year) rights to 20+20 MHz in the US and Canada — was approved by the bankruptcy court judge in May 2025 and is now subject only to SEC approval; AST expects to file with the SEC in the coming months and expects the rights to be usable on a 2026 timeframe.
  • Wisniewski said AST holds over 3,700 patent and patent-pending claims underpinning its satellite technology and network architecture, correcting the moderator's reference to 'over 2,000 patents.'
  • Wisniewski estimated AST's manufacturing cadence was currently running at roughly 2-3 satellites per month, with a target of about 6 satellites per month by the end of Q3 2025 and full target cadence by the end of 2025, both needed to support a planned 13-launch manifest.
  • AST's European joint venture with Vodafone (SatCo) has secured initial indications of interest from 21 of the 28 EU member states, beyond the markets already under contract with Vodafone directly.
  • Wisniewski said the total addressable market is broadly consistent with a roughly $30 billion estimate cited by the moderator, but described the market as not winner-take-all, expecting AST to be a leader and the primary player in the early years but not the only company in the space.
  • Wisniewski pointed to three near-term catalysts for investors to watch: the kickoff of AST's network deployment campaign, ongoing FCC regulatory approval timelines (which he said have moved faster under the new administration), and new commercial agreements with carrier partners, which he said could be announced 'any day now.'

Detailed Discussion11 topics

Company Overview and Positioning

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:01:33

    AST SpaceMobile is building a space-based cellular broadband network that connects to today's cell phones — the 6 billion phones already in circulation — without requiring any new device; the company created the industry and holds foundational patents.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:01:33

    AST has been public for 4 years and is now giving revenue guidance for the first time, for the second half of the year, with commercial service expected to begin in 2026 and expand in subsequent years.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:01:33

    AST has attracted investment from AT&T, Verizon, Google, Vodafone, Rakuten Mobile, Bell Canada, and American Tower, and is partnered with over 50 mobile network operators globally with a combined subscriber base of almost 3 billion.

  • Unidentified guest Untagged 00:00:30

    The moderator (a Bank of America analyst) framed AST's addressable market estimate at roughly $30 billion per BofA's estimates and asked Wisniewski to discuss AST's own TAM estimates.

Funding and Balance Sheet

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:04:34

    AST has $1.55 billion on the balance sheet pro forma as of June 30 (2025), which fully funds the initial network of approximately 50 satellites into low Earth orbit.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:04:34

    AST is flying 5 of the largest satellites ever put into low Earth orbit commercially and is about to launch one that is 3 times the size (referring to the next-generation Block 2 satellite).

Satellite Constellation Milestones

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:07:09

    5 satellites already built, launched, and operating have generated tens of millions of dollars in revenue from the US government.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:07:09

    25 satellites is AST's estimate for reaching cash-flow breakeven.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:07:09

    45 to 60 satellites is AST's current target — the number needed to achieve 24/7 coverage in the markets that matter, specifically the US, Europe, Japan, and for the US government.

US Government and Defense Revenue

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:08:47

    The US government buys connectivity services from space and values having multiple vendors (avoiding vendor lock) and dual-use infrastructure shared between commercial and government applications.

  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:08:47

    Golden Dome recently received an interim funding package of $25 billion, passed and signed by the president, which Wisniewski described as part of the most positive US government investment backdrop for space since the 1960s space race.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:08:47

    AST sees about 10 distinct individual government use cases (comms and non-comms), each of which could become a 'program of record,' which Wisniewski said typically implies $100 million-plus opportunities per year.

  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:08:47

    AST has phase 1 and phase 2 contracts with the Space Development Agency (SDA) for non-communications testing in orbit, tied to recent national security priorities.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:11:16

    Government contracting is bespoke; the government (across the prior Trump administration's SDA development, the Biden administration, and the current Trump administration since January) wants fixed-cost, non-cost-plus pricing, which Wisniewski said suits AST's model. He said this doesn't imply smaller contracts than historical norms.

Carrier Commercial Model and Revenue Economics

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:12:56

    AST's carrier model is an add-on, à la carte offering — similar to an international roaming pass (land, get a text, click yes, get access for the day) — designed to align incentives with operators as a source of revenue growth rather than a cost center.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:12:56

    A revenue-share arrangement (Wisniewski referenced 'that 50 revenue share') is enshrined in AST's carrier contracts; he also floated the possibility over time of bundling the service into carriers' super-premium plans to drive mix-shift value for operators.

  • Unidentified guest Untagged 00:15:23

    The moderator pressed on the mechanics of how revenue-share economics would work if the service is bundled into a premium plan (per-sub payment vs. allocated value) rather than sold à la carte.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:16:11

    Wisniewski said the core principle is maintaining revenue-share alignment regardless of packaging, and that AST would give more clarity on market-by-market and operator-by-operator mechanics over time; other payment types (e.g., minimum revenue commitments) may also be layered in.

Spectrum Strategy

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:17:12

    AST's core strategy is to partner with operators who bring spectrum and customers while AST brings the network, using operator spectrum on a non-interference basis, exemplified by the AT&T/Verizon 850 MHz strategy in the US.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:17:12

    AST's satellites can service roughly 15 different low-band 3GPP frequencies, and as a satellite passes overhead, it can create coverage using up to 4 different frequencies from different operators as it moves between countries (e.g., US to Mexico to Brazil).

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:17:12

    As of January (2025), AST announced a strategy enhancement to acquire long-term MSS spectrum usage rights: an agreement for long-term usage rights to L-band, described here as 20 MHz in the US and Canada, plus a subsequent ITU filing acquisition for S-band rights in various countries globally.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:19:46

    Current network build (Block 2 BlueBirds) is focused on low-band spectrum — 700, 800, and roughly the 700-960 MHz range — not yet on L-band or S-band; mid-band satellite capability would be incorporated later as spectrum acquisitions get regulatory approval, expected around 2026, with the broader mid-band strategy executing in 2027.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:21:21

    MSS spectrum bands (L-band and S-band) are each roughly 20 to 40 MHz globally; the Ligado transaction targets L-band, which is heavily used worldwide but was cleared for terrestrial use (and left unused) in the US and Canada years ago.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:21:21

    The Ligado deal would give AST long-term (80-plus year) access rights to 20+20 MHz (in the 1.5 and 1.6 GHz range) in the US and Canada. Definitive agreements are signed with Ligado shareholders and were approved by the bankruptcy court judge in May (2025); the transaction is now subject only to SEC approval, with AST planning to file with the SEC in the coming months and expecting usable rights on a 2026 timeframe.

Manufacturing and Launch Cadence

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:23:16

    On its earnings call, AST announced detailed launch timing for the first time, laying out satellites being produced for the next 13 launches, corresponding to the 45-60 satellite target; the plan is a launch roughly every 1-2 months during 2025 and 2026, starting very soon.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:23:16

    AST's first big next-generation satellite, FM1, was disclosed as ready to ship in August, with no major issues in final testing or shipment preparation.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:23:16

    AST has built over 8 satellites' worth of active payload (the 'microns'); the ticket to space (launch) represents more than half of AST's CapEx, and AST works with multiple launch providers for flexibility.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:25:39

    Manufacturing is currently running at roughly 2 to 3 satellites per month on average (Wisniewski's own estimate); AST guided to about 6 satellites per month by the end of Q3 (2025) and full target cadence by the end of the year.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:27:33

    US launch companies currently lack access to Chinese or Russian launch vehicles, leaving SpaceX as the dominant provider; Blue Origin (New Glenn, twice the size of Falcon 9, able to launch twice as many satellites per trip) is coming up behind them, with its next big launch expected 'hopefully in the coming weeks'; AST also has an agreement with the India Space Agency (ISRO) to launch on its human-space-rated vehicle.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:27:33

    Wisniewski expects the launch industry to stay tight through 2025 and 2026, then open up considerably thereafter.

Competitive Landscape and Patents

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  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:29:52

    AST's key differentiator versus Starlink Direct-to-Cell, T-Mobile's satellite service, and Amazon Kuiper is delivering broadband directly to the 6 billion existing phones without requiring a $1,000 dish, avoiding the high ARPU ($100+/month) that a dish-dependent business model would require.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:29:52

    AST expects a 5-to-10-year technology advantage, reinforced by pairing its satellite technology lead with long-lived spectrum assets to preserve strategic advantage over time.

  • Unidentified guest Disagreement 00:32:21

    The moderator referenced AST having 'over 2,000 patents' and asked what prevents a competitor like Starlink from entering direct-to-device via denser constellations or satellite design tweaks.

  • Scott Wisniewski Disagreement 00:32:53

    Wisniewski corrected the patent figure, stating AST has over 3,700 patent and patent-pending claims underpinning its satellite technology and network architecture, along with first-mover ecosystem relationships as barriers to entry.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:33:32

    Wisniewski agreed the roughly $30 billion TAM figure cited by the moderator is broadly consistent with market research, and said reasonable ARPU and penetration assumptions could easily support tens of billions of dollars in revenue for the direct-to-device market.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:34:22

    Wisniewski described the market as not winner-take-all — comparable to carrier-neutral outsourced services in other industries with multiple players and dual sourcing — with AST expecting to be a leader and the primary player in the early years, but not the only company in the space long-term.

International and Underserved Markets

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:35:04

    Vodafone's footprint across Europe and Africa is key to AST's strategy for underserved markets; because AST doesn't require a new device, it can price plans by the gigabyte or by 100-megabyte increments to fit different markets' ability to pay, including low-cost talk-and-text plans in Sub-Saharan Africa.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:35:41

    Africa has 40-plus countries with diverse ability to pay, and large portions of the continent are still covered only by 2G, representing an upgrade opportunity for AST's cellular broadband service.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:37:29

    AST's European joint venture with Vodafone has signed up 21 of the 28 EU member states for initial indications of interest, above and beyond the markets already under contract with Vodafone directly.

First Responder and Local Government Opportunity

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  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:38:06

    AT&T's FirstNet program (built for first responders, with a couple million subscribers) is a model AST's technology could extend to; use cases include restoring texts and voice calls during power outages or disasters, citing a scary outage in Spain last summer and US wildfire/flooding network outages as examples.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:38:06

    Wisniewski characterized first responder/disaster recovery as a second-tier use case and revenue opportunity relative to consumer and US government revenue, but one with high flow-through margins.

Upcoming Catalysts

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  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:39:52

    Wisniewski pointed to the kickoff of AST's network deployment campaign as a key upcoming milestone.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:39:52

    AST feels good about FCC regulatory approval timelines, which Wisniewski said have moved into higher gear under the new administration.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:40:32

    AST expects to roll out its network initially to its closest partners, with commercial agreements that 'can start coming through any day now'; these agreements would represent full native cellular roaming arrangements (not simple bolt-on deals) with implications for legal frameworks and revenue visibility.

Watch Items10

  • Kickoff of AST's network deployment campaign

    Starting very soon / imminent Scott Wisniewski 00:39:52
  • New commercial agreements with carrier partners (initial rollout to closest partners)

    'Any day now' Scott Wisniewski 00:40:32
  • FCC regulatory approvals for expanded constellation/service

    Ongoing, described as moving faster under new administration Scott Wisniewski 00:39:52
  • FM1 (first next-gen Block 2 satellite) shipment and launch

    Ready to ship in August (2025) Scott Wisniewski 00:23:16
  • Blue Origin New Glenn's next big launch

    Hopefully in the coming weeks (as of Sept 2025) Scott Wisniewski 00:27:33
  • Manufacturing cadence reaching ~6 satellites/month

    By the end of Q3 2025 Scott Wisniewski 00:25:39
  • Manufacturing reaching full target satellite cadence

    By the end of 2025 Scott Wisniewski 00:25:39
  • Ligado L-band spectrum transaction SEC approval and rights activation

    SEC filing in the coming months; usable rights expected on a 2026 timeframe Scott Wisniewski 00:21:21
  • Mid-band (L-band/S-band) spectrum regulatory approval and network integration

    Approval expected 2026; broader mid-band strategy execution in 2027 Scott Wisniewski 00:19:46
  • 13-launch manifest to reach the 45-60 satellite target

    Launch roughly every 1-2 months during 2025 and 2026, starting very soon Scott Wisniewski 00:23:16

Open Questions4

  • How exactly will carrier revenue-share economics work if satellite connectivity is bundled into a premium plan rather than sold as a standalone add-on (e.g., allocated value vs. per-subscriber payment)?

    Unidentified guest 00:15:23
  • What specifically prevents a competitor like Starlink from entering the direct-to-device market over time via denser constellations or satellite design changes, beyond AST's patent portfolio and first-mover position?

    Unidentified guest 00:32:21
  • Does AST receive any preferred pricing or economics from the US government given its early government investment/involvement, or is every contract negotiated individually at market rates?

    Unidentified guest 00:10:53
  • How big will individual US government 'program of record' opportunities and future contract sizes actually become, given the bespoke, fixed-cost contracting model?

    Scott Wisniewski 00:11:16
2025-09-02 42:58

Kook's Weekly - September 2

Kook

In this solo 'Kook's Weekly' episode (Sept 2, 2025), Kook recaps a news-heavy Labor Day weekend for AST SpaceMobile.

The FCC approved the next 20 satellite launches (out of 243 requested), and AT&T began outreach to retail shareholders signaling an upcoming marketing push. A bankruptcy-court fight over Ligado's L-band spectrum, with Inmarsat seeking a non-compete clause, was punted to future mediation rather than resolved now.

Kook also covers Blue Origin/Starship launch-capacity progress, AT&T's $23 billion EchoStar spectrum purchase, and EchoStar's own D2D ambitions via prime contractor MDA. He adds a FirstNet regulatory angle that could speed commercial service-link approval.

His headline conclusion: the FCC approval marks a 'point of no return' toward continuous commercial service. Near-term catalysts (Verizon's definitive agreement, AT&T marketing, Ligado plan confirmation) are stacking up in AST's favor.

Key Takeaways

  • The FCC approved AST SpaceMobile's next 20 satellite launches (2 in a lower orbit, 18 in a higher ~690 km orbit) out of the 243 satellites requested in AST's license-modification filing, bringing the total authorized constellation to 25 BlueBirds plus BlueWalker 3.
  • Kook says operating at ~690 km (versus Starlink's reported ~300 km) means AST's satellites will deorbit much more slowly, reducing maintenance capex and freeing more cash for constellation expansion, R&D, or eventual shareholder distributions.
  • Kook believes this approval represents a 'point of no return' toward cash-flow breakeven/positive service, though full FCC commercial service-link (SCS) authorization is still separately pending; in the meantime AST continues operating service links under Special Temporary Authority (STAs).
  • AT&T has begun reaching out to individual retail shareholders for contact details, which Kook interprets as AT&T gearing up a marketing campaign for its AST SpaceMobile-powered satellite coverage.
  • Kook expects a Verizon definitive agreement (DA) to follow AT&T's ramp-up, arguing Verizon has publicly claimed a deal with AST and won't let AT&T get ahead in marketing satellite coverage.
  • The Ligado L-band spectrum deal hit a snag: Inmarsat sought a global non-compete clause barring AST from ever operating in L-band internationally; AST refused, and the bankruptcy judge declined to resolve the international dispute now, instead having both sides agree to binding mediation language for later. Ligado's bankruptcy plan confirmation is hoped for later in September 2025.
  • AT&T separately closed roughly a $23 billion deal to acquire EchoStar's low-band (600 MHz) and some mid-band spectrum; Kook argues this will pressure AT&T to activate that spectrum quickly, creating more opportunity for AST SpaceMobile to fill coverage gaps ahead of new tower buildouts.
  • Kook argues SpaceX's Starship test-flight progress (reaching suborbital altitude, releasing cargo via a 'Pez dispenser' mechanism, but exploding on its landing attempt) is a net positive for AST because it helps commoditize a launch market AST is short on capacity in — AST's satellites were designed and budgeted for existing launch vehicles, not dependent on Starship.
  • Blue Origin's New Glenn program is advancing (New Glenn 3 in development, New Glenn 2 already hot-fired), but it remains unconfirmed whether AST satellites will fly on the upcoming New Glenn 2 mission alongside or instead of the ESCAPADE Mars mission.
  • Kook highlights a theory from X user 'Katsy' that approval of AST/AT&T's FirstNet spectrum testing could act as a 'backdoor' path toward faster full commercial service-link approval, noting the relevant FCC comment period closed August 5, 2025.
  • EchoStar (Charlie Ergen) is pursuing its own direct-to-device strategy using AWS-3/4 S-band spectrum via prime contractor MDA's 'Aurora' satellite platform; Kook views EchoStar as a weak competitor because it lacks in-house satellite manufacturing control, unlike AST.
  • Kook personally disclosed buying a small position in AT&T stock, citing its spectrum-asset value and dividend yield as a smaller, separate investment thesis from his AST SpaceMobile position.

Detailed Discussion8 topics

FCC approval of next 20 satellite launches

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:30

    AST filed with the FCC for 243 additional satellites, and the FCC approved the next 20 launches (not all 243) — 2 satellites at a lower orbit and 18 at a higher orbit (~690 km), versus Starlink's reported operating altitude of around 300 km.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    The higher-altitude satellites will have better communication characteristics and won't deorbit as quickly, meaning less cash will need to go toward maintenance capex and more toward constellation expansion, R&D, or potentially future shareholder distributions.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    This brings the total authorized fleet to 25 'big boy' BlueBird satellites plus BlueWalker 3; Kook calls it a 'point of no return' toward cash-flow breakeven or positivity and toward continuous (not just intermittent) broad service, though not yet full continuous broad service.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    The docket saw opposition from Starlink (described by Kook as 'lawfare') and roughly 2,456 protest letters from astronomers in what Kook calls a coordinated action; FCC Chairman Brendan Carr nonetheless approved the filing.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:30

    This approval covers launch/operate authority, not the commercial service link; AST continues to operate service links under Special Temporary Authority (STAs) in the interim, and lease agreements with AT&T and Verizon have already been filed as part of the underlying application.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook dismisses weekend 'FUD' claiming Verizon had changed its mind on AST, noting the same source made a similarly false claim about Verizon a couple of years ago.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook believes a Verizon definitive agreement (DA) is a coming stepping stone, guessing there are unspecified conditions precedent that must be met first — possibly this FCC approval itself — but says it will only be clear in hindsight.

Launch vehicle capacity: Blue Origin and Starship

5
  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Blue Origin's New Glenn program is progressing in parallel: New Glenn 3 is already in development, and New Glenn 2 has been hot-fired and looks close to launch-ready, though it's unknown whether AST satellites will be aboard.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    New Glenn 2 is slated to carry the ESCAPADE Mars mission, but some observers believe the launch window isn't optimal for ESCAPADE, raising the possibility it could be swapped out; there's also unconfirmed speculation AST could ride along on New Glenn 2.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:30

    SpaceX's Starship had a test flight this week, reaching a suborbital altitude Kook estimates at around 170 kilometers, successfully deploying cargo via what he calls a 'Pez dispenser' mechanism, but the vehicle exploded on its return/landing attempt.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook argues Starship's progress is a net positive for AST, not a threat, because AST's satellites were explicitly designed and budgeted around existing launch vehicles from the start — any launch-cost reduction from Starship is simply upside, and AST is 'short launch' capacity overall, wanting SpaceX, Blue Origin, and Rocket Lab all to succeed to commoditize the launch market.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    On whether Starship enables Starlink's V3 satellite (with much larger capacity) to become a real direct-to-consumer competitive threat, Kook says it's unclear how much Starlink's cash flows actually need such an inflection, and argues Starlink lacks the business model to pull off true D2C even with better technology.

FirstNet as a potential commercial service-link 'backdoor'

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook discusses a theory from X user Katsy that FirstNet spectrum — federal spectrum coordinated with the FCC via the ITU, for which AST has already filed all necessary FCC work and which is included in SCS rules — could provide a deliberate approval pathway, since by law AT&T can use any unused FirstNet capacity commercially.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    The relevant FCC comment period ended August 5; SpaceX has reportedly been spamming that docket as well. Katsy's theory is that full commercial approval could drop at any time via this route, potentially surprising the market with a faster service-link approval than expected.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:30

    An Urgent Comms article reports AT&T and AST SpaceMobile recently received regulatory approval for FirstNet testing, which Kook ties back to the possible 'backdoor' path toward broader commercial service-link approval.

AT&T marketing ramp and Verizon expectations

5
  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Several shareholders, including Kook, have reported AT&T reaching out asking for contact details, which Kook takes as a sign AT&T is preparing some kind of marketing or promotional push tied to the satellite service.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook expects AT&T's eventual marketing to lean on positive, safety-oriented messaging (e.g., guaranteed coverage, staying connected) rather than fear-based messaging, and predicts this will particularly resonate with women, who statistically value safety messaging.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook argues there's no way Verizon lets AT&T get out ahead heading into the holiday shopping season in a competitive phone market, and expects a Verizon DA to follow; he also frames both AT&T and Verizon as motivated to compete against T-Mobile, whose Starlink partnership he calls a mistake being reined in by parent Deutsche Telekom.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook reads AT&T's marketing preparation as implying AT&T has already been told by AST that production is ramping and the next 20 satellites will be up 'in the blink of an eye,' letting AT&T set consumer expectations around a realistic delivery horizon of 'within the next months.'

  • Kook Rumor 00:00:30

    Separately, Kook says he's heard (unconfirmed) that T-Mobile has been building expectations for its own satellite service but then pulled its ads; he asks listeners for clarification if they have more information.

Ligado L-band spectrum deal / Inmarsat dispute

6
  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:30

    Kook describes the Ligado deal as AST securing 45 MHz of premium ('beachfront') L-band spectrum, paying roughly $520 million upfront plus about $80 million a year in lease payments — figures Kook cites from memory; the company's own disclosed definitive-agreement terms are a $550 million contingent payment plus at least $80 million annually.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook compares this favorably to AT&T's roughly $23 billion purchase of EchoStar spectrum (which he estimates at around 50 MHz), arguing AST is getting comparable spectrum for a fraction of the price because AST is uniquely positioned to use multi-use satellite spectrum terrestrially.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:00:30

    During Ligado's bankruptcy proceedings, Inmarsat (which ultimately owns the leased spectrum) demanded the money upfront and additionally sought to write a global non-compete clause into the lease, barring AST from operating in L-band spectrum internationally; AST rejected this as unreasonable given the value of a global, multi-client system.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:30

    In the resulting 'adversary proceeding' (a side dispute within the main bankruptcy case), the bankruptcy judge declined to resolve the international non-compete question now, ruling that since AST and Inmarsat aren't yet in direct conflict internationally, the parties should instead carry forward previously agreed binding mediation language into the final plan documentation and litigate/settle any international dispute later.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook expects the Ligado bankruptcy plan to be confirmed 'hopefully this month' (September 2025), and views the case record as revealing Inmarsat's own view that AST SpaceMobile is an ambitious company clearly angling to eventually use L-band spectrum globally, not just in North America.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook ties this to AST's earlier, separate ~$60 million deal to acquire ITU coordination priority rights, arguing it shows AST positioning to eventually use underutilized MSS spectrum (e.g., Inmarsat's narrowband maritime systems) where AST would hold third-in-priority access.

AT&T–EchoStar spectrum deal and spectrum market dynamics

4
  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:30

    AT&T announced a roughly $23 billion deal this week to acquire EchoStar spectrum, including a low-band 600 MHz swath plus some mid-band spectrum, expected to close sometime in 2026.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook argues low-band spectrum is especially scarce and valuable for building penetration and uplink capacity, while mid-band adds broadband capacity but is less scarce since more mid-band supply is expected from future government auctions.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Because lighting up newly acquired spectrum requires new or modified towers (time and capex), Kook argues AT&T will likely lean on AST SpaceMobile to quickly fill coverage gaps for this spectrum rather than waiting on tower buildouts — potentially previewing scenarios where MNOs skip new towers altogether in some areas in favor of AST.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook disclosed he personally bought a (small) position in AT&T stock, comparing AT&T's renewed spectrum focus to IBM's turnaround, and citing the stock's 6-7% dividend yield as attractive in a falling-rate environment; he frames it as a distinct, smaller side bet from his core AST SpaceMobile position.

EchoStar's direct-to-device ambitions (competitive landscape)

5
  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook discusses EchoStar (referred to via a 'Charlie's Angels'/Charlie Ergen joke) pursuing its own direct-to-device strategy using its AWS-3/4 S-band spectrum, building satellites through Canadian prime contractor MDA's generic 'Aurora' communications satellite platform.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook views reliance on a third-party prime contractor as a structural weakness (as has historically hurt other satellite constellation efforts), since MDA will resist costly bespoke adaptations (e.g., adding an L-band payload module for defense/Golden Dome use) and AST-style in-house vertical control is lost.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook believes EchoStar is likely to either try to sell its spectrum or attempt to operationalize it (since the FCC could otherwise reclaim unused spectrum), and floats a non-zero chance Apple could partner with or pull in EchoStar to complement or replace its existing Globalstar satellite messaging deal, though this would be a notable move toward Apple acting like an MNO.

  • Kook Rumor 00:00:30

    Kook says he heard, unconfirmed, that Elon Musk/SpaceX didn't even bid on the EchoStar spectrum, speculating this could be because Musk believes he can no longer get preferential treatment or approvals from the Trump administration; he asked listeners to confirm or provide more information.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook argues that even if SpaceX had acquired the EchoStar spectrum instead, it wouldn't materially change AST's competitive position, since connectivity/spectrum was never really what was holding back Starlink's direct-to-device ambitions — the bigger constraints are customers and business model.

Spectrum policy, Golden Dome, and broader market narrative

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook references an article asking whether FCC Chairman Brendan Carr is the most powerful man in Washington (largely about his influence over media/news networks), noting Carr's expanding influence over spectrum policy is directly relevant to AST.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook says evolving understanding of how spectrum will be used for defense/national security (Golden Dome) is rapidly changing, and believes AST SpaceMobile is well-positioned as a company that hasn't antagonized the Trump administration or DOD and has been a reliable, accommodating partner.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook closes with a broader theme that the space industry is shifting from a niche 'rich boys club' pastime to mainstream cultural relevance (citing public fascination with SpaceX launch videos), comparing this trajectory to prior hype-to-substance cycles like AI and SaaS, and suggesting AST could see a 'Palantir effect' style dramatic market-cap re-rating as its commercial buildout matures over the next year.

Watch Items6

  • Verizon definitive agreement (DA)

    Expected to follow AT&T's marketing ramp; exact timing unknown, possibly tied to conditions precedent that may include the recent FCC launch approval Kook 00:00:30
  • AT&T marketing campaign launch for satellite service

    AT&T reaching out to shareholders now; Kook expects consumer-facing marketing 'within the next months' Kook 00:00:30
  • Blue Origin New Glenn 2 launch (possible AST payload)

    Imminent; rocket already hot-fired, unclear if AST satellites or ESCAPADE Mars mission will fly, or both Kook 00:00:30
  • Ligado bankruptcy plan confirmation

    Hoped for later in September 2025 Kook 00:00:30
  • FCC commercial service-link (SCS) approval, potentially via FirstNet pathway

    Could arrive 'at any time' per Katsy's theory; relevant comment period closed August 5, 2025 Kook 00:00:30
  • Block 2 satellite production and launch-vehicle visibility

    Ongoing; Kook frames this as what the market most needs to see next, ahead of full commercial approval Kook 00:00:30

Open Questions6

  • Will AST SpaceMobile satellites actually fly on the upcoming Blue Origin New Glenn 2 mission, alongside or instead of the ESCAPADE Mars mission?

    Kook 00:00:30
  • What specific condition precedent (possibly the recent FCC launch approval) needs to be satisfied before Verizon signs its definitive agreement?

    Kook 00:00:30
  • Will EchoStar sell its S-band spectrum, operationalize it via MDA's Aurora platform, or find a partner such as Apple?

    Kook 00:00:30
  • Is it true that Elon Musk/SpaceX declined to bid on EchoStar's spectrum due to political constraints with the Trump administration?

    Kook 00:00:30
  • What exactly is T-Mobile doing with its direct-to-device service marketing, given reports it built hype and then pulled its ads?

    Kook 00:00:30
  • What specifically caused the historical DOD interference concerns with the Ligado/Inmarsat L-band spectrum under the prior ancillary terrestrial component (ATC) approach?

    Kook 00:00:30
2025-08-25 53:13

Kook's Weekly - August 25

Kook

In this solo episode of 'Kook's Weekly,' Kook reviews the week's AST SpaceMobile news. The headline is 'proof of life' on FM1, AST's first Block 2 BlueBird satellite, which the company signaled is now 'ready to ship' after completing environmental (TVAC) testing.

Images also showed FM2 and FM3 progressing through the Midland assembly line. Kook advances an explicitly speculative theory that FM1's reported delay stems from adding an L-band antenna payload possibly tied to DOD Golden Dome missile-defense use rather than a manufacturing problem.

He also discusses a roughly 3-month ISRO launch delay caused by an unrelated national-project satellite taking rocket priority. He covers the newly formed Vodafone 'SatCo' joint venture, Abel Avellan's no-bonus compensation philosophy, Golden Dome/L3Harris parallels, and an unresolved Inmarsat-Ligado bankruptcy mediation over the scope of AST's L-band spectrum rights.

The episode opens with an appeal to support a GoFundMe for injured community member Gavin McPherson. It closes with notes on FirstNet's Band 14 FCC filing and early consumer applications (Google Pixel Watch).

Key Takeaways

  • Kook reports 'proof of life' for FM1, AST's first Block 2 BlueBird satellite, with company language changing from 'will be ready to ship' to 'is ready to ship' in August 2025, which he interprets as confirmation the satellite passed environmental (TVAC/thermal-vacuum) testing.
  • AST also released images of FM3, leading Kook to theorize FM2 is currently undergoing TVAC testing while FM3 is already in assembly — evidence, in his view, that the Midland manufacturing line is ramping toward a cadence of roughly 6 satellites per month.
  • Kook speculates (explicitly flagged as an unconfirmed theory, 'hopium') that FM1's delay may stem from adding an L-band antenna payload to the satellite's PLM/'stingray tail' module — possibly tied to DOD Golden Dome missile-defense applications — rather than a manufacturing problem, based on FCC filing/bill-of-materials clues surfaced by an X user known as Katsy.
  • AST's India launch (via ISRO) has reportedly slipped roughly 3 months because ISRO gave a national-project satellite (CMS-02) priority on the rocket; Kook attributes confusion around this to ISRO's own satellite-naming conventions rather than any AST-side execution problem.
  • Citing an Unusual Whales data point, Kook notes India has overtaken the US as the world's largest smartphone importer, which he speculates could mean AST's India ARPU is higher than his prior conservative modeling assumed.
  • The Vodafone joint venture 'SatCo' is now officially formed; Kook frames it as a template for pulling additional European MNOs into AST's network via Vodafone's existing carrier relationships under the 'super wholesale' model.
  • Kook contrasts AST's standards-based, carrier-core-integrated architecture with Starlink's Direct-to-Cell service for T-Mobile, citing an article (found by Kevin Chen) describing Starlink's system as a bespoke, non-carrier-core-integrated, non-prioritized IP overlay more like a mobile hotspot than integrated mobile broadband.
  • Kook notes CEO Abel Avellan has never taken a bonus or additional stock awards for himself, comparing this compensation restraint favorably to Jeff Bezos's approach at Amazon as a sign of shareholder alignment.
  • Kook flags L3Harris as a likely Golden Dome partner providing missile heat-signature tracking, drawing a speculative parallel between Senator Banks's public support for L3Harris and Senator Ted Cruz's public support for AST SpaceMobile.
  • Kook discusses an unresolved bankruptcy-court mediation dispute between Inmarsat and Ligado over whether AST's L-band spectrum rights constitute a full contract assignment (which Inmarsat argues would bind AST to a North America-only exclusivity restriction) or a sublease without that restriction; the matter is headed to a judge with no resolution yet.
  • Kook cites an FCC filing locking AST into FirstNet's Band 14 spectrum for testing across 45 phones, which he interprets as strong evidence a formal FirstNet satellite deal is coming even though it has not been publicly announced.
  • The episode opened with an appeal to support a GoFundMe for Gavin McPherson, a 25-year-old AST SpaceMobile community member who suffered a serious accident; donations had grown from about $5,000 to almost $44,000 by the time of recording.

Detailed Discussion20 topics

Space Mob Telethon for Gavin McPherson

2
  • Kook Untagged 00:00:29

    Kook opens by highlighting a GoFundMe for Gavin McPherson, a 25-year-old AST SpaceMobile community member ('Space Mobber') with a young son who suffered what Kook describes as a catastrophic accident.

  • Kook Untagged 00:01:20

    Donations for Gavin, raised via a GoFundMe set up by his friend Dylan, grew from about $5,000 to almost $44,000 by the time of recording, with contributions noted from Rocket Lab investors as well as the AST community.

FM1, FM2, FM3 — Block 2 Satellite Production and TVAC Testing

5
  • Kook Confirmed 00:01:20

    Kook reports 'proof of life' for FM1, AST's first Block 2 satellite (a new, larger form factor), after roughly two weeks without updates while the satellite was in thermal-vacuum (TVAC) testing.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:05:19

    AST's language changed from 'will be ready to ship' to 'is ready to ship' in August, which Kook says signals FM1 has completed all environmental testing rather than merely being on track to.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:19

    The company also released pictures of FM3, leading Kook to theorize FM2 is currently in or coming out of TVAC testing while FM3 is being assembled, which he says shows the assembly line 'humming' and building a cadence toward roughly 6 satellites per month.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:20

    Kook says the stock rallied on the FM1 update and pushes back on FUD accounts characterizing it as 'bad news,' arguing the update shows execution risk is now lower than it was 2-3 weeks earlier.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:20

    Kook says the community (including himself) will keep watching for whether AST adds additional TVAC chambers and whether testing time per satellite can be reduced as the team gains experience with the design.

Stock Volatility, Trader Psychology, and the Short-Seller Debate

3
  • Kook Untagged 00:09:59

    Kook describes spending his vacation obsessively watching ASTS's stock price and technical commentary from an account called Reformed Trader, reflecting on the psychological toll of the stock's volatility, which he calls the 'meat grinder.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:09:59

    Reformed Trader's charts reportedly show a pattern of consecutive 'red candles' (e.g., 8 in a row) that historically preceded rallies, citing a similar pattern in April 2022, though the exact year label on the chart was unclear.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:05:20

    Kook recounts a direct-message debate with a short-seller from 'Pivotal Capital' about the short thesis on ASTS; both acknowledged provocative framing on either side but had what Kook calls a good-faith exchange without a clear resolution.

ISRO Launch Delay and the 'Launch Constipation' Framing

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:10:00

    Kook says AST's India launch has reportedly slipped about 3 months because ISRO gave a national-project satellite (CMS-02) priority on the rocket, which he characterizes as a scheduling issue outside AST's control rather than an AST execution problem.

  • Kook Untagged 00:10:00

    Kook attributes confusion around the ISRO delay to ISRO's own satellite-naming/nomenclature conventions, in which satellites launched on other providers (like Ariane) aren't counted in ISRO's own designation scheme, which he says threw off trackers referred to as Katsy, Tanner, and Kevin.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:00

    Using a 'launch constipation' metaphor, Kook argues AST has overbooked launch capacity and that as production ramps to 3-6 satellites per month, launch timing will 'loosen up,' with the current messy period expected to resolve within roughly the next 6 months.

India Smartphone Market and ARPU Speculation

3
  • Kook Confirmed 00:10:00

    Citing an Unusual Whales data point, Kook notes India has surpassed the US to become the world's largest importer of smartphones.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:00

    Kook speculates this could mean AST's India ARPU is higher than his prior conservative modeling (which assumed cents to low dollars), since many imported devices are Samsung or Apple smartphones rather than cheaper handsets.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:00

    Kook frames AST's use of ISRO as a smart political move — effectively 'building a factory in India' via local launch content — comparable to reshoring pressure he sees happening in the US market.

FM1 Delay Theory: L-band Payload for Golden Dome

4
  • Kook Speculation 00:10:00

    Kook advances a theory, which he explicitly flags as speculative and hopeful ('kook out,' 'hopium'), that FM1's delay was caused by a design addition — specifically an L-band antenna — added to the satellite's PLM ('stingray tail') payload module, rather than that module being solar-only as previously assumed.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:00

    Kook credits an X user known as Katsy with finding evidence in FCC filings and bill-of-materials data suggesting the PLM module carries L-band antenna hardware.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:00

    Kook theorizes this could reflect integration of L-band connectivity for DOD/Golden Dome use, speculating the satellites may use aluminum or steel encapsulation (rather than composite) to rush flight heritage.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:00

    Kook ties the timeline together: AST's critical design review (CDR) was filed in February, and delays began around the same period as the DIU contract, the SDA HALO/Europa award, and the Ligado bankruptcy — which he says 'line up' to support his theory, while acknowledging it remains unconfirmed.

Jagaloon6's Bull Case Recap

3
  • Kook Untagged 00:10:00

    Kook highlights X account Jagaloon6, who previously published research on AST's Navy applications that Kook says was later validated by subsequent events.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:00

    Jagaloon6's recent post lists several bullish catalysts Kook agrees with: Google-related news, an 'inevitable' Apple partnership, Golden Dome news, definitive MNO agreements, delivery of FM1, initiation of launch campaigns, and IoT partnerships.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:10:00

    Kook notes the stock declined from about $60 to $48 during August, which he frames as part of the 'meat grinder' occurring ahead of these catalysts materializing.

Apple and Google Consumer Integration Speculation

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:39:43

    Kook says the Ligado financing documents reportedly specify how the Ligado/AST profit share changes upon integration of L-band into iPhones, which he takes as evidence an Apple integration is contractually anticipated.

  • Kook Speculation 00:39:43

    Kook believes Google has 'fired the starting gun' by adding satellite connectivity to the Pixel 10 and the Google Pixel Watch (via Ligado's L-band), though he caveats the Pixel 10 point specifically as 'very strong speculation' rather than fully confirmed.

  • Kook Speculation 00:39:43

    Kook predicts a formal Apple unveiling of satellite/L-band integration would come as a shock to bearish analysts and run counter to skeptical sell-side narratives.

SatCo Joint Venture and the Super-Wholesale Model

3
  • Kook Confirmed 00:39:43

    Kook notes SatCo, the AST-Vodafone European joint venture, is 'now officially formed,' framing it as a mechanism to pull additional European MNOs into AST's network via Vodafone's existing carrier relationships under a 'super wholesale' model.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:39:43

    Kook notes AT&T's stock has risen from about $14 to $30 ('performed like an AI stock,' per a Barron's article) and that Vodafone's stock has also done well, citing this as evidence of investor recognition of these MNOs' AST-linked upside.

  • Kook Untagged 00:39:43

    Kook mentions fellow community member Peter Lindmark works near SatCo's offices, and says the community will keep an eye on developments there.

AST vs. Starlink Direct-to-Cell: Architecture Critique

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  • Kook Disagreement 00:39:43

    Responding to a skeptic's argument that AST lacks market share, Kook counters that AST doesn't yet have a commercial product, while arguing T-Mobile 'made a huge mistake' partnering with Starlink's Direct-to-Cell service.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:39:43

    Citing an article found by Kevin Chen (reportedly from T-Mobile), Kook says Starlink's Direct-to-Cell requires voice over IP rather than integration with the carrier core (VoLTE), required a bespoke per-carrier integration effort described as taking hundreds of thousands of person-hours, and delivers mobile data as non-prioritized IP traffic lacking standard cellular controls like throttling — more like a mobile hotspot than integrated mobile broadband.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:39:43

    Kook contrasts this with AST's standards-based approach and quotes President Scott Wisniewski's characterization that AST and Starlink are 'in a race against ourselves' rather than being head-to-head competitors, given the differing capital and R&D histories of the two systems.

Abel Avellan's Compensation and Leadership

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:39:43

    Kook notes CEO Abel Avellan has never taken a bonus or additional stock awards for himself, drawing a parallel to Jeff Bezos's stated reasoning (via a Nomad Bets-posted interview) for not taking additional equity at Amazon.

  • Kook Speculation 00:39:43

    Kook argues this shows Avellan's alignment with shareholders, contrasting it with the fact that Avellan could have taken large stock re-ups when the price was around $2 with little shareholder recourse, but chose not to.

Sell-Side vs. Buy-Side Research Coverage

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  • Kook Untagged 00:39:43

    Kook mentions William Blair published sell-side research on AST this week but says he didn't find much new in it.

  • Kook Speculation 00:39:43

    Kook highlights a letter from concentrated hedge fund Greenhaven Road Capital discussing AST SpaceMobile (surfaced via Anpanman/'Above Average Odds'), predicting more buy-side firms will publicize positions into the fall/winter 'idea dinner' season in New York.

Golden Dome and L3Harris

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:39:43

    Kook says he believes L3Harris is a Golden Dome partner providing the missile heat-signature tracking layer, based on clues previously surfaced by Katsy.

  • Kook Speculation 00:39:43

    Kook draws a speculative parallel between Senator Banks's public support for L3Harris (which he believes helped L3Harris secure a Golden Dome role) and Senator Ted Cruz's public support for AST SpaceMobile, suggesting similar support could translate into a Golden Dome role for AST.

Airport Anecdote: Lockheed Martin and Space Force

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  • Kook Untagged 00:39:43

    Kook recounts being delayed by an airline crew strike and ending up seated near a Lockheed Martin communications employee and a woman who said she works for the Trump administration with ties to the Space Force; both asked him about AST SpaceMobile and 'Golden Dome' once he brought up the company.

Military Spectrum White Paper

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:39:43

    Kook cites a paper shared by Kevin Chen from a military seminar in which military leaders describe spectrum access as 'not just a commercial telecommunications issue' but foundational to modern warfare and national security.

  • Kook Speculation 00:39:43

    Kook argues this reflects an emerging 'megatrend' around military use of spectrum, comparing the current moment to the early, underappreciated days of ChatGPT before generative AI went mainstream.

  • Kook Speculation 00:39:43

    Referencing the Inmarsat-Ligado adversary proceeding, Kook notes Inmarsat already provides L-band spectrum to the DOD and receives substantial DOD payments, raising questions (unresolved) about what Inmarsat knew regarding AST's own spectrum arrangements.

American Tower Board Member and the Yahoo/Alibaba Analogy

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  • Kook Speculation 00:47:50

    Kook highlights that American Tower's CTO now introduces himself as both American Tower's CTO and an AST SpaceMobile board member, which Kook reads as a sign legacy tower companies see AST as central to their future growth.

  • Kook Speculation 00:47:50

    Kook compares AST's strategic-investor partners (e.g., Rakuten, AT&T, Vodafone, Verizon, American Tower) to Yahoo's stake in Alibaba, speculating some of these legacy businesses could eventually see their AST stake rival or exceed the value of their core business.

Inmarsat-Ligado Bankruptcy Mediation Dispute

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  • Kook Disagreement 00:47:50

    Kook explains the Ligado bankruptcy has been held up by a mediation dispute between Inmarsat and Ligado over whether AST is bound by the existing Ligado-Inmarsat cooperation agreement via full 'contract assignment' (which under bankruptcy law is all-or-none) versus merely subleasing the spectrum without those restrictions.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:47:50

    Per Kook, Inmarsat's position is that full assignment would bind AST to an exclusivity arrangement giving Inmarsat L-band rights everywhere outside North America while AST gets exclusivity only within North America; AST's position is that it should not be bound by such a restriction given its constellation is inherently global.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:47:50

    Kook says the dispute is unresolved and headed before a judge; after reading both sides' briefs he found himself persuaded by each side in turn and calls the outcome a toss-up.

  • Kook Speculation 00:47:50

    Kook argues that regardless of the ruling, the dispute reveals Abel Avellan and Scott Wisniewski are positioning AST as a 'global spectrum treasury company,' noting that even under the stricter binding scenario, AST would retain 'exactly what we bargained for' — US L-band access.

Valuation Musing on Abel Avellan's Vision

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  • Kook Speculation 00:47:50

    Kook muses about whether Abel Avellan always envisioned building a company worth hundreds of billions of dollars, contrasting AST's current valuation of roughly $20 billion against what he speculates might have initially been a $2-5 billion vision.

FirstNet Update

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:52:02

    Kook notes a FirstNet board meeting took place and that FirstNet has budget allocated in its own press releases for satellite investment.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:52:02

    Kook cites an FCC filing that locks AST into FirstNet's Band 14 spectrum, including plans to test 45 phones to demonstrate scalability of individual beams, with interference studies included in the filing.

  • Kook Speculation 00:52:02

    Kook interprets the FCC filing as strong evidence a formal commercial deal between FirstNet and AST is already effectively in place, predicting it will be 'the least surprising deal' once formally announced, though he doesn't know the timing.

Consumer Applications Rollout

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  • Kook Speculation 00:52:02

    Kook highlights continued Google rollout of satellite connectivity to the Pixel Watch, alongside the earlier Pixel 10 mention, as part of AST's initial consumer applications strategy.

  • Kook Speculation 00:52:02

    Kook says AST is intentionally starting with IoT and intermittent-connectivity use cases while capacity-constrained, rather than launching a consumer mobile broadband service that could disappoint users with inconsistent service, which he contrasts with his characterization of Starlink's experience.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:52:02

    Referencing a comment from CEO Abel Avellan, Kook says the transition from intermittent to continuous satellite service is expected to happen quickly, with a tipping point that could arrive sooner than anticipated in 2026.

Watch Items8

  • FM1 (first Block 2 BlueBird) launch

    Reportedly delayed roughly 3 months due to ISRO giving priority to a national-project satellite (CMS-02); no new firm launch date given Kook 00:10:00
  • Production ramp to ~6 satellites/month (FM2, FM3 and beyond)

    Ongoing; FM2 believed to be in TVAC testing and FM3 in assembly as of the episode Kook 00:05:20
  • Definitive Verizon commercial agreement

    No date given; anticipated by Kook as a near-term catalyst Kook 00:10:00
  • Potential Middle East MNO deal(s)

    Unspecified; described as rumored based on 'credible sources' Kook 00:10:00
  • Formal Apple satellite/L-band integration announcement

    No date given; anticipated Kook 00:39:43
  • Formal FirstNet-AST commercial deal announcement

    No date given; expected based on FCC Band 14 filing already in place Kook 00:52:02
  • Inmarsat-Ligado bankruptcy mediation ruling on L-band exclusivity scope

    Pending; going before a judge, no date given Kook 00:47:50
  • Transition from intermittent to continuous satellite connectivity

    Tipping point possibly sooner than expected in 2026, per Abel Avellan Kook 00:52:02

Open Questions5

  • Was FM1's delay actually caused by adding an L-band antenna payload for Golden Dome/DOD use, as Kook theorizes, or is there a more mundane explanation?

    Kook 00:10:00
  • Will the Inmarsat-Ligado bankruptcy mediation bind AST to a North America-only L-band exclusivity restriction, or will AST avoid that restriction and retain more global flexibility?

    Kook 00:47:50
  • When will AST announce a definitive commercial agreement with Verizon?

    Kook 00:10:00
  • Will Apple make a formal announcement integrating AST/L-band satellite connectivity into iPhones?

    Kook 00:39:43
  • Will AST add additional TVAC (thermal-vacuum) test chambers to speed up satellite testing cadence?

    Kook 00:05:20
2025-08-18 56:25

Kook's Weekly - August 18

Kook

In this solo, ad-hoc 'Kook's Weekly' episode, recorded from a rental car while on vacation, Kook (@TheKookReport) recaps the prior week's AST SpaceMobile news.

Topics include the earnings call's new 'ready-to-ship' satellite disclosure schedule and signs the company is done with dilutive ATM sales for now. Also in the mix is AT&T commentary hinting at a fast rollout and possible fall media blitz.

He also runs through new gateway orders, Google/Apple spectrum speculation, the J.R. Wilson hire, Golden Dome and Homestead Air Force Base defense tailwinds, FCC constellation-filing progress, and a broader spectrum-monetization thesis.

The headline conclusion is Kook's 'inevitability' framing. He argues the risk of ASTS failing to execute is rapidly approaching zero as launches 3 and 4 (three Falcon 9-launched satellites each) prove out production at scale. And the stock, he says, is set up for a 'big unlock' as FM1/FM2 ship and DAs with additional MNOs are signed.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile's Q2 2025 earnings call disclosed a 'ready-to-ship' satellite production schedule (based on completed microns/phased arrays) rather than a launch schedule, which Kook views as a smarter disclosure method because production is within AST's control while launch timing depends on external partners.
  • Per Kook's read of the schedule, AST already has visibility on satellites for its first four launches: Launch 1 (likely ISRO), Launch 2 (likely New Glenn or possibly SpaceX), and Launches 3 and 4 (both believed to be Falcon 9s carrying three satellites each) — implying roughly 8 satellites' worth of hardware readiness.
  • AST SpaceMobile did not announce a new ATM equity sale on its earnings call and emphasized it is comfortable with its cash balance, with future capital expected from government and commercial sources rather than new dilutive equity raises, according to Kook's and 'Reformed Trader's' interpretation.
  • A sell-side report (flagged by 'Ganner') found AST had ordered approximately $20 million worth of gateway equipment, which AST resells to MNO partners for systems integration — booked as revenue this quarter and expected to convert to realized revenue in Q3/Q4.
  • Kook estimates AST's fully diluted share count at roughly 383 million shares against his own long-held 'terminal share count' target of about 400 million, implying roughly $1 billion of additional equity capital could still be raised before hitting that dilution ceiling.
  • AT&T's former head of towers business and Teledesic alum, J.R. Wilson, has joined AST SpaceMobile; separately, a new FCC-focused hire named Jennifer has joined the company from EchoStar.
  • Kook believes AST is close to signing definitive agreements (DAs) with two additional MNOs, guessing Verizon and Bell Canada, while a colleague ('Anpanman') has bet on Saudi Telecom (stc), Zain, or Mobily — all of which currently hold MOUs with AST SpaceMobile.
  • Homestead Air Force Base in Florida is described as AST's next expansion site, with speculation the company could receive government financial incentives, including possible CHIPS Act funding, to build out a facility there serving both public and Department of Defense applications.
  • AST SpaceMobile has disclosed in an FCC/SEC filing that it intends to combine its LEO constellation's 40 MHz of L-band MSS spectrum with the Skyterra geostationary satellite (acquired via the Ligado deal) to offer a resilient, alternative Positioning, Navigation and Timing (PNT) service as a GPS backup.
  • AST's constellation license application (call sign S3065) continues to progress at the FCC, with a newer interference study concluding the company can coexist with terrestrial spectrum users and meet SCS out-of-band-emissions limits, with residual risk manageable through AST's beamforming/operational execution.

Detailed Discussion14 topics

Earnings Call Follow-up: Ready-to-Ship Schedule and Launch Order

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:06

    The real standout of last week's earnings call was greater visibility into the production and 'ready-to-ship' schedule rather than a launch schedule; Kook says disclosing readiness-to-ship is smarter because it's within AST's control, whereas actual launch timing depends on external parties ('many chefs in the kitchen').

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    What matters most to him as an investor is AST's ability to control its own destiny and ramp operating execution — proving the technology, financing the company, clearing regulatory hurdles, proving the commercial model, and then building satellites at scale (not 1, not 5, but 50-60 at minimum, eventually a couple hundred).

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:06

    The disclosed schedule shows microns/phased arrays completed (not satellites completed, which some bears picked up on) and indicates AST already has readiness through launch number 4.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Kook's working group believes Launch 1 is ISRO and Launch 2 is New Glenn (though it could be SpaceX instead) — these two could be flipped, partly because Blue Origin's Escapade cargo isn't ready, potentially freeing up room on New Glenn 2 for AST.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Launches 3 and 4 are almost certainly Falcon 9 launches carrying three satellites each, meaning AST already has about 8 satellites' worth of units ready to go or with visibility toward readiness.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Kook expects the first two launches to have sloppy/uncertain timing, but says what will really matter to serious investors is launches 3 and 4, because once AST is putting up 3+ satellites at a clip, it proves the production rate and the market's perceived risk of AST missing its business plan should go to roughly zero.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    If satellites are getting ready to ship for a 6-satellite batch in November, that signals the whole constellation buildout and financing are coming together, making this 'a very de-risked investment' heading into year-end.

ATM/Financing Posture

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:06

    AST did not announce a new ATM offering on the earnings call and was clear it feels good about its cash balance sheet, indicating the next capital is expected to come from government and commercial opportunities rather than new equity sales.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Citing his friend 'Reformed Trader's' analysis, Kook says the stock historically trades sloppy after ATM filings and convertible notes offerings, then rips higher afterward — and the stock is currently at the trough of that post-offering pattern (some call it a 'bull flag'), setting up for a possible pre-launch rally into FM1's ready-to-ship announcement.

AT&T Commentary and Gateway Deployment

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:06

    Kook highlighted an AT&T quote: 'We'll be making announcements in the near future on timing and what those services look like,' and that AT&T said the transition 'is going to evolve quickly in support of more and more services' — language he says mirrors comments Abel Avellan made on the earnings call about the fast jump from intermittent to continuous service.

  • Kook Rumor 00:00:06

    Kook relayed a rumor that AT&T is planning a large media blitz in the fall around SpaceMobile, timed to the Black Friday phone-upgrade selling season as a carrier differentiator.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:06

    A sell-side report found by 'Ganner' states AST ordered about $20 million worth of Q/V-band ground gateways, which get resold onward to MNOs for systems integration — booked as revenue bookings this quarter, expected to convert to realized revenue in Q3 and Q4.

Kook's 'Inevitability' and Valuation-Unlock Thesis

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Kook frames a concept of AST 'inevitability' — a sense that regardless of near-term stock price, the company is close to major valuation unlocks that had previously felt 'evasive' for years but are now 'definitive.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    He identifies the key upcoming unlocks as FM1 and FM2 shipping out, then the FM3-to-FM8 bulk shipments, plus ground stations being locked in and first revenues — after which he believes the market will move past near-term detail-focused skepticism.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Kook predicts that within roughly a year, analysts (referencing a figure he calls 'Shay Balleur') will start listing ASTS alongside monopolies like ASML — consistent with Kook's own prior thesis describing ASTS as 'the next telecom monopoly.'

Google and Apple Spectrum Speculation

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Kook says ASTS is reportedly Google's single largest public shareholding (unverified by him independently), and that a user known as 'Katsy' found evidence the Google Pixel will support the Ligado L-bands — which Kook says is unsurprising since the Ligado documents include a specific revenue-share trigger tied to Google incorporating Ligado L-band spectrum.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Kook says he doesn't know if Apple will become an ASTS shareholder but hopes so, framing it as a potentially dramatic positive catalyst against short sellers.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Kook says he is very confident ('willing to bet a kidney') that Apple will incorporate L-band spectrum support into iPhones at the request of AT&T and Verizon.

Share Count and Institutional Ownership

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Citing a tweet from 'Bossman45' (@Melnick45) about the concept of a 'terminal share count' — the point at which dilution slows to modest amounts from employee share grants rather than large capital raises — Kook says his own bogey has long been 400 million shares, and AST is currently around 383 million fully diluted, implying roughly $1 billion of additional equity capital could still come in before hitting that terminal count.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:06

    Looking at the holders list, Kook notes Vanguard has taken 'the proper stake' already, while Fidelity appears to still have roughly another 10% of the company left to acquire.

Technical Deep Dive: Satellite Size and Coverage Analysis

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  • Kook Untagged 00:00:06

    Referencing a Redrum graphic comparing a Block 2 satellite to an NBA basketball court, Kook reiterates that flying the largest commercial phased-array satellites ever built is a key innovation, enabling more/stronger directed beams via more antenna elements.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Kook dismisses outside 'consultant' criticism of AST's technology (e.g., concerns about thermal cycling in orbit) as uninformed, noting AST employs roughly 400 PhDs and that BlueWalker 3/BlueBird satellites have not broken up in orbit despite such predictions.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Independent consultant Carlos Placido ran a roughly one-million-sample simulation and published a coverage map on LinkedIn; after adjusting to correct input assumptions, the analysis concludes AST's constellation will provide adequate coverage, with only some potential spottiness at 10-degree look angles — a large improvement from three years ago when critics claimed the constellation wouldn't work at all.

Competitive Moat Analysis (Redrum Thread)

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Summarizing a Redrum tweet on AST's competitive moats: a technical barrier to entry (roughly 10 years and some of the industry's brightest engineers), a financial barrier (at least $1 billion to replicate), a regulatory barrier (difficulty securing spectrum rights, MNO contiguous-spectrum deals, and FCC launch authority — with a future competitor unlikely to make a public-interest case for a speculative constellation with no MNO partners), and a patent barrier from AST's novel inventions.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Kook argues switching costs would be enormous because AST generates incremental revenue for MNO partners at no cost to them, so switching away means giving up revenue plus new testing/core-integration work; he also argues Starlink's architecture (a separate network with its own eNodeB in the air rather than integrating with an MNO's core) is not a fungible substitute.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    AST's distribution/commercial moat comes from not going direct-to-consumer (citing Iridium's failed attempt at that model) and instead being an economies-of-scale business that spreads constellation costs across many geographies via a 'multi-client effect,' making it uneconomic for another company or single MNO to replicate.

Government/Defense Tailwinds

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Kook notes reports that Donald Trump was expected to (or did — he wasn't sure) sign an executive order elevating the Office of Space Commerce, viewed as part of a broader government push to expand the space sector, similar to how the government previously subsidized housing via Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:06

    J.R. Wilson, formerly AT&T's head of towers business and previously at 1990s satellite venture Teledesic (backed by Craig McCaw and Bill Gates, which failed after outsourcing manufacturing to Boeing), has joined AST SpaceMobile — a hire Kook views as directly validating AST's thesis.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:06

    A new hire named Jennifer has joined AST SpaceMobile as its new FCC-focused lead, coming from EchoStar.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Following a meeting with Scott Wisniewski this week, Kook believes AST is close to signing two additional MNO definitive agreements (DAs); his own bet is Verizon and Bell Canada, while Anpanman bet Saudi Telecom (stc), Zain, or Mobily — all of which have existing MOUs with AST.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Kook argues AST is deliberately waiting to sign new DAs until the constellation buildout is imminent, since signing early would only offer short-lived PR value while giving away negotiating leverage on long-term commercial terms — consistent with CFO Andy Johnson's earnings-call comment that AST is 'good on money' and expects future funding from government and commercial sources.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    On 'Golden Dome,' Kook says the Pentagon is largely under a gag order, but notes ongoing meetings in Huntsville, Alabama (where he believes Lockheed is building the program's command-and-control center), and says Lockheed appears to be copying AST's slide/document formatting, which he takes as a sign the two companies are working together.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:06

    Citing a tweet from investor @ForFuture100 about comments from Clinton Austin following a Missile Defense Agency Golden Dome Industry Day in Huntsville, key takeaways include: speed is the priority, the government wants to field Golden Dome quickly, it is a roughly $151 billion program over 10 years, and it will involve both traditional primes and non-traditional players like AST SpaceMobile in a multi-layered defense system.

  • Kook Rumor 00:00:06

    Kook says increasing public information (which he and others had known about but kept quiet on) points to Homestead Air Force Base in Florida as AST's next expansion site, potentially with financial incentives including possible CHIPS Act funding, serving both public and Department of Defense applications; he is unsure whether it will be a dedicated satellite production facility or serve broader company throughput.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:06

    A user '@RocketTank123' noted AST posted a new job listing for an 'environmental test engineer' requiring MIL-STD-810 compliance — a US military standard for testing equipment durability under environmental conditions — which Kook takes as further evidence AST may be as much a defense company as a commercial one.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:06

    Citing an article quoting a military official named Geist, the military's business alone doesn't scale enough to warrant a standalone satellite constellation, and the military doesn't want its own dedicated constellation either — instead wanting companies that can augment an existing network to meet operational needs, which Kook says AST fits.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:06

    AST has disclosed in an FCC/SEC filing (tied to a separate FCC PNT — positioning, navigation, and timing — docket/initiative) that it plans to combine its LEO constellation's 40 MHz of L-band MSS spectrum with the Skyterra geostationary satellite obtained in the Ligado deal to offer a resilient alternative PNT/backup-GPS service and precision timing for critical infrastructure across the US.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Kook speculates, without being able to prove it, that the Department of Defense may already have an informal agreement or understanding with AST regarding use of the Ligado L-band spectrum, given the DOD's involvement in the Ligado bankruptcy proceedings.

FCC Constellation Filing (S3065) Progress

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:06

    AST's constellation application (call sign S3065) continues to see new FCC filings, including compromises on backhaul spectrum usage intended to avoid interfering with radio astronomy telescopes.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:06

    Summarizing a new interference study filing (via a ChatGPT-generated summary he read aloud), the filing provides an engineering basis that AST can coexist with terrestrial co-channel licensees and meet SCS Report & Order out-of-band-emissions limits (the -120 threshold) while still offering usable 4G/5G service across most of the continental US, with residual risk concentrated in operational execution (beam timing, power coordination, dynamic cell muting near borders) — risk AST controls via its beamforming technology.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Based on this filing's conclusions, Kook believes FCC approval of the constellation is likely to come 'pretty soon.'

Spectrum Monetization Strategy

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Kook contrasts strategic thinkers with critics like Tim Farrar, arguing the recent S-band ITU priority-rights deal (from roughly two weeks prior) does not itself grant AST 60 megahertz of global spectrum, but rather gives AST an advantageous position ('intent' and 'means') in a multi-year strategy to aggregate attractive MSS spectrum globally and monetize it as terrestrial spectrum.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Citing a tweet from Elena Neyra, MNOs' single most important strategic asset is licensed spectrum; Kook reiterates his own long-standing view that AST functions like 'AWS for the telecom industry,' letting MNOs reduce capital spending on low-return tower/equipment infrastructure and instead focus on spectrum and the customer relationship, which AST helps them monetize more efficiently by lighting up otherwise wasted MSS/guard-band spectrum as terrestrial capacity.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:06

    Citing a tweet from 'Only 6 Inches' quoting CEO Abel Avellan on the earnings call: 'yes, I mean, you obviously 60 megahertz of global spectrum. If it were purely terrestrial, it would be a number that nobody can afford' — illustrating AST's arbitrage of converting MSS spectrum, which would otherwise be unaffordable as pure terrestrial spectrum, into usable terrestrial-equivalent capacity via its satellite constellation.

Institutional/Analyst Coverage

2
  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:06

    New 13F filings show Millennium ('the Pod Monkeys') bought AST shares; a Deutsche Bank report largely repeated prior earnings-call recap material; UBS published a report after coming off restriction following its fireside chat with Scott Wisniewski (during which Scott was reportedly wearing a Blue Origin shirt, fueling speculation about early Blue Origin launch involvement); and Cantor also published a report.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    A Spanish-language article covered a roundtable meeting in Colombia involving agriculture, environmental science, finance, cartography, the British Embassy, and Navy representatives discussing AST use cases, which Kook cites as evidence the eventual addressable market could be far broader than the consumer/dead-zone use case originally underwritten, potentially making consumer connectivity a minority of total revenue.

Comparison to Starlink Direct to Cell

2
  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:06

    Kook notes T-Mobile's Starlink Direct-to-Cell product already has roughly a 1.5% penetration rate among T-Mobile subscribers despite being widely criticized as a weak service, which he views as a positive signal for the baseline demand AST SpaceMobile could expect from its consumer offering.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Citing a LinkedIn post about Starlink cutting its hardware price by 50% and reducing monthly subscription pricing with no service contract, Kook interprets this as Starlink being 'disrupted' — noting CEO Abel Avellan liked the post — and argues phone-based AST service (no dedicated terminal, unlike Starlink's ~35 Mbps single-antenna or ~120 Mbps multi-in/multi-out setups) will have much less friction and could eat into Starlink's fixed-wireless business, with AT&T's enterprise sales teams eventually competing aggressively for that business once AST's constellation scales and reaches its base continuous-consumer-service goals.

Media Coverage and Housekeeping

3
  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:06

    Kook notes continued mainstream press coverage of AST SpaceMobile from CNBC and Barron's, which he says signals a broadening investor base and expects more mainstream coverage over the next year.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:06

    Kook says his 'working group' is spending significant time trying to pin down further launch specifics and expects some news developments within roughly a 3-to-4-week period.

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:06

    This was an ad hoc episode recorded from a rental car while Kook was on vacation (due to travel and lack of a hotel business center); he says he'll return to the normal weekly schedule the following weekend.

Watch Items7

  • FM1 satellite reaching 'ready-to-ship' status

    Expected 'pretty soon,' toward the end of August 2025 Kook 00:00:06
  • Launches 3 and 4 (Falcon 9, 3 satellites each) — viewed as the key production-rate proof point

    Not explicitly dated; framed as the near-term de-risking milestone Kook 00:00:06
  • Batch of 6 satellites reaching ready-to-ship status

    November (2025) Kook 00:00:06
  • Additional MNO definitive agreements (DAs) signed

    Believed to be 'pretty soon,' following a recent meeting with Scott Wisniewski Kook 00:00:06
  • AT&T media/marketing blitz around SpaceMobile

    This fall, timed to Black Friday phone-upgrade season Kook 00:00:06
  • FCC approval of AST's expanded constellation application (S3065)

    Expected 'pretty soon' per the latest interference study filing Kook 00:00:06
  • Further launch-schedule specifics/news

    Within roughly the next 3-4 weeks Kook 00:00:06

Open Questions5

  • Which vehicle actually flies Launch 1 and Launch 2 — is it ISRO, New Glenn, or SpaceX, and could the order flip depending on Blue Origin's Escapade cargo readiness?

    Kook 00:00:06
  • Will Apple become an equity shareholder in AST SpaceMobile, beyond simply incorporating L-band support into iPhones?

    Kook 00:00:06
  • Does the Department of Defense already have an informal or formal agreement with AST regarding use of the Ligado L-band spectrum, given DOD's apparent awareness during the Ligado bankruptcy proceedings?

    Kook 00:00:06
  • Which specific MNOs will sign the next definitive agreements — Verizon and Bell Canada (Kook's bet), or Saudi Telecom, Zain, or Mobily (Anpanman's bet)?

    Kook 00:00:06
  • What exactly will the Homestead Air Force Base facility be used for — a dedicated BlueBird production facility or broader company throughput/DoD applications?

    Kook 00:00:06
2025-08-12 1:00:01

Kook's Weekly - August 12

Kook

Kook solo-hosts this Kook's Weekly episode on the evening of AST SpaceMobile's Q2 2025 earnings release. He goes through the print point by point and concludes the company "did everything pretty much perfectly."

The headline items are that AST says it is now fully funded through continuous coverage (the 45-60 satellite campaign) rather than just Block 2, and that FM1 is ready to ship in August 2025.

Nationwide intermittent US commercial service with AT&T and Verizon is planned by end of 2025, with international markets in 2026. Prior cost and revenue guidance were both reaffirmed.

Kook's overall takeaway is that the company has shifted from an R&D/delay narrative into execution mode, with government revenue, spectrum aggregation, and non-dilutive financing (Exim/IFC) doing a lot of the heavy lifting from here.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook (solo host) recapped AST SpaceMobile's Q2 2025 earnings release, calling it a near-perfect print that answered the market's three big questions: FM1 status, whether the 20-satellite guidance would hold, and whether revenue guidance would be cut, held, or raised.
  • AST said it is now fully funded not just for the original ~20-satellite (Block 2) buildout but for the full 45-to-60-satellite campaign needed for continuous coverage, meaning any future capital raise would be discretionary/strategic rather than a necessity.
  • The company has microns (a key satellite sub-component) completed for 8 satellites and is on track to complete microns for 40 satellites by early 2026.
  • AST plans to deploy nationwide intermittent commercial service in the US with AT&T and Verizon by the end of 2025, with the UK, Japan, and Canada following in 2026; Kook notes there is not yet a definitive commercial agreement (DA) in place with Verizon.
  • FM1, previously assumed by parts of the market to be years away, is now ready to ship as of August 2025, pending a mutually agreed launch date with ISRO; Abel reportedly said it is not conditioned on anything else.
  • The company reaffirmed its prior cost guidance of $21-23 million per satellite and reaffirmed revenue guidance in the $50-70 million range, and said the first 25 BlueBirds (20 new plus the 5 already in orbit) are expected to generate positive operating cash flow.
  • AST disclosed it received expressions of interest from network operators in 21 of the 27 EU member states for a sovereign direct-to-device mobile broadband satellite service through the Vodafone JV, SatCo.
  • The company is progressing through diligence and documentation with Export-Import Bank (Exim) and the IFC, with CFO Andrew Johnson (referred to as "Andy") expecting roughly $500 million of additional (non-dilutive) capital to come in.
  • AST made an early $25 million payment to a strategic launch partner to strengthen the relationship; Kook speculates (without confirmation) that this is most likely tied to Blue Origin/New Glenn, though he says it could also be SpaceX.
  • Abel said satellites will average 6 to 8 per launch, pushing back on online claims that only 3 satellites would fit per launch.
  • Kook flagged that the earnings release mentioned "2 types of satellites" for commercial use, which he and other community members (crediting an account he calls "Katzi"/Kasey) speculate implies FM1/FM2 carry an extra phased array/tail for government (HALO-related) multi-in-multi-out use not present on standard commercial BlueBirds — this is speculative and unconfirmed.
  • AST said its satellites can operate on both 3GPP L-band and S-band simultaneously via a flexible "mesh" architecture, rather than requiring two separate constellations.

Detailed Discussion10 topics

Framing and context going into earnings

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  • Kook Untagged 00:00:00

    Kook opens by noting this is a solo Kook's Weekly episode (not on the usual Sunday slot) recapping the Q2 2025 earnings release; he references that Anpanman had already done a separate Spaces about the earnings, implying Anpanman is not part of this particular episode.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook describes having had a recurring anxious vision over the weekend of the stock crashing 30% on earnings, which he attributes to pre-emotional conditioning ("pre-trauma") rather than an actual prediction; he says he did not sell anything in anticipation of it.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook frames his overall view heading into the print: after roughly 5 years invested (with due diligence intensifying recently), he sees the company's execution delays as normal for a company "under the scrutiny of being public" doing something genuinely hard for the first time, comparing it to the Apollo program.

Fully-funded status and capital strategy

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    AST disclosed on the Q2 2025 call that it has fully funded its 45-to-60 satellite campaign, which Kook says represents fully funding the path to "continuous coverage" — well beyond his prior internal model that had only targeted funding for the original ~20-satellite (Block 2) buildout.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook stresses that "fully funded" does not mean the company will never raise capital again — any future raise would now be discretionary and strategic, on the company's own timing, rather than a forced/necessary raise.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook notes the company canceled/terminated its prior at-the-market (ATM) equity program a couple of weeks before this call but did not mention the ATM at all during the earnings call itself — instead emphasizing cash on hand, the Exim relationship, and a 'we believe we are fully funded' framing, which Kook interprets as a signal that the company is done raising equity via ATM for now.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook builds his own rough balance-sheet model live: roughly $1.5 billion of current cash, plus an assumed $500 million from Exim, minus roughly $500 million of operating expense over the next 6 quarters, nets back to about $1.5-2 billion of available capital — which he estimates as worth roughly 75 satellites' worth of capital, separate from capital already spent (e.g., $760 million net PP&E at Q1, including $235 million for satellites in orbit [BW3 $92 million of that] and $226 million for BlueBird satellites; $525 million of satellite materials/advance payments/advance launch payments in construction-in-progress as of June 30).

Manufacturing and launch progress

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    AST reported microns (a key satellite subcomponent) complete for 8 satellites and is targeting microns complete for 40 satellites by early 2026, which Kook calls the critical-path disclosure metric for gauging production progress.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    FM1 is now ready to ship as of August 2025 (essentially immediately), based on imagery the company shared of the satellite in a pressure/testing chamber; a launch date with ISRO is still to be mutually determined, and Kook says the company stated FM1 is not conditioned on anything else.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The earnings materials included a launch countdown slide (launches 1 through 13) showing microns/phased-array completion checked off through 4 launches, with satellite ready-to-ship dates of August, September, November, and November; Kook notes the ISRO and a possible New Glenn 2 launch line up with these dates, while SpaceX launches shown as ready-to-ship in November are expected to actually launch no earlier than December.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    Abel said satellites will average 6 to 8 per launch, which Kook cites to rebut online claims/FUD suggesting only about 3 satellites would fit per launch; Kook notes this figure includes New Glenn, and some in the community speculate it could also extend to Falcon Heavy.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    AST made an early $25 million payment to a launch partner described only as helping a relationship with a 'strategic launch partner'; Kook speculates this is most likely for Blue Origin/New Glenn 2 (possibly related to the New Glenn's primary payload, the Escapade project, not being ready), though he says it's equally plausible it was an early payment to secure SpaceX launch capacity, and states he isn't certain which.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook references the earnings release mentioning '2 types of satellites' for commercial use, and speculates (crediting community analyst 'Katzi'/Kasey's theory) that FM1 and FM2 — already known to be tied to the government HALO contract — may carry an additional phased array/tail enabling multi-in-multi-out capability not present on standard commercial BlueBirds; he says he isn't fully certain of this interpretation.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook notes ITU filing schedules show 2 satellites at a 520km altitude, 18 satellites going to 690km, and a later reversion to more satellites at 520km (sun-synchronous orbit), speculating this could indicate a more complex multi-satellite-type product roadmap (jokingly likening it to a 'Model S/3/X/Y' lineup), but defers to Kasey for a firmer read.

Commercial service rollout (US and international)

3
  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    AST stated it will deploy nationwide intermittent service in the US with AT&T and Verizon by the end of 2025, with the UK, Japan, and Canada rollouts following in 2026.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:00:00

    Kook explicitly flags that despite the 2025 US rollout plan naming both AT&T and Verizon, AST does not yet have a definitive agreement (DA) in place with Verizon.

  • Kook Rumor 00:00:00

    Kook relays (with the source's explicit permission to share) an anonymous DM source's claim that AT&T is expected to launch a media blitz promoting the service, possibly in September, timed for back-to-school and into the holiday/Black Friday season; Kook caveats this is an unconfirmed source, though he says the source has a track record of being more often right.

SatCo / European JV and international spectrum

3
  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    AST disclosed it has received expressions of interest from network operators in 21 of the 27 EU member states for a sovereign direct-to-device mobile broadband satellite service, via SatCo (the Vodafone European JV).

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook speculates the term 'sovereign' in the disclosure may indicate interest is coming not just from MNOs but also from state/government entities seeking their own FirstNet-style government satellite service in addition to commercial coverage, though he says he isn't certain of this reading.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook argues the SatCo model (pooling multiple MNOs into one shared high-fixed-cost satellite asset rather than each building competing constellations) mirrors shared-infrastructure models like Visa or ASML, and could become a template for Asian and potentially African markets, though he says he doesn't understand the African market well.

Government and defense business

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    Abel said the government is already using the satellites on an intermittent basis, which Kook cites as proof of a real business case for intermittent service.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    Scott said government programs are ramping up, with AST focused on winning 'programs of record' demonstrations; each program of record can scale to $100 million or hundreds of millions of dollars, and Scott described incoming opportunities as 'going up and to the right' under the current administration.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook notes AST added 2 additional government contracts this quarter for a total of 8, tying back to the 'programs of record' framing, and says he is uncertain whether the several-hundred-million-dollar figures cited per program are annual or cumulative.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook speculates Scott's comment about 'more, and bigger' government opportunities under the current administration could be a veiled reference to the Golden Dome missile-defense initiative, but notes no one on the call actually asked about Golden Dome directly, and that recent reports indicate the Department of Defense (under Secretary Hegseth) has told companies not to discuss it — which Kook reads as a bullish sign that the topic is real rather than hype.

  • Kook Rumor 00:00:00

    Kook mentions an unverified tweet suggesting AST may be working with Lockheed, plus unspecified 'hints' of activity in Huntsville, Alabama, without further detail or confirmation.

Spectrum strategy and valuation speculation

4
  • Kook Disagreement 00:00:00

    Kook recounts that when asked about a potential 60 MHz of global ITU spectrum, Abel joked it would be 'a big number, no one could afford it,' which Kook takes as tempering expectations that AST could aggregate that full amount by itself, while still floating that even reaching 'halfway' would be significant.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook floats a purely speculative, self-described 'made up' figure that AST's aggregated global spectrum position (including Ligado and other deals) could represent on the order of $100 billion of spectrum value, explicitly flagging it as a guess.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook speculates, without evidence beyond his own suspicion, that Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan, and Morgan Stanley's absence from covering ASTS may be due to those banks' relationships with Elon Musk (all bank Elon-affiliated entities) rather than a reflection of the company's fundamentals.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook describes AST as effectively becoming a 'spectrum treasury company,' comparing spectrum scarcity favorably to Bitcoin (spectrum can't be created, unlike new Bitcoin) as a long-term thesis extension beyond pure cash-flow analysis.

Financing details: Exim/IFC and reaffirmed cost/revenue guidance

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    AST said it is progressing through the diligence and documentation phase with Export-Import Bank (Exim) and the IFC (International Finance Corporation), with CFO Andrew Johnson (referred to by Kook as 'Andy') expecting roughly $500 million of capital to come in from this process.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company reaffirmed prior revenue guidance of $50 to $70 million, which Kook says he was specifically worried might be cut; he reads the reaffirmation as evidence of confidence in near-term satellite launches and/or Block 1 monetization.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company reaffirmed its per-satellite cost guidance of $21 to $23 million, holding prior guidance rather than raising it — Kook frames this as undercutting the classic short thesis around unit-economics blowouts.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    AST reiterated that the first 25 BlueBirds (the 20 upcoming satellites plus the 5 already in orbit) are expected to be able to generate positive cash flow from operations.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company said satellites are tuned to operate on both 3GPP L-band and S-band simultaneously via a flexible 'mesh' architecture, meaning investors should not model this as two fully separate constellations; management indicated there is flexibility to expand the constellation efficiently where needed once the initial constellation is up.

Convertible bond mechanics and near-term stock reaction

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook walks through the mechanics of the outstanding 2.375% convertible bond, stating (with some uncertainty/potential inconsistency versus officially reported figures) roughly $575 million of bonds outstanding, each converting into 8.75 shares per $1,000 of face value (working out to roughly 8 million underlying shares); he explains that a rising stock price increases the bond's delta, which forces convertible-bond arbitrageurs to sell shares to rebalance their hedge, partly offset by the company's capped call.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook predicts that the stock's opening move the next day will likely be distorted/suppressed by mechanical convertible-bond hedge-rebalancing sales (and short-covering), citing a similar pattern from the prior August where the stock opened around $22 but didn't make its real move up to $31 until about 90 minutes later; he frames this purely as an observation, not trading advice.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook references a recent chart pattern (citing an account called 'Reformed Trader') showing a roughly two-week corrective 'bullish wedge' following the prior financing, which he says lines up with the current post-earnings setup, though he flags his own confirmation bias as a long holder.

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:00

    Kook discloses he personally covered short calls (at his wife's request, to preserve an exit plan) and then bought back roughly 3,000 option contracts based on his own conviction after the earnings release, saying he does not want to sell any of his stock.

Closing remarks

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  • Kook Untagged 00:00:00

    Kook closes by summarizing that the earnings release showed clear execution progress (the launch/microns countdown chart, reaffirmed 6-per-month cadence commentary, and reaffirmed guidance) and says he plans to hold another Spaces the following Sunday despite being on vacation.

Watch Items8

  • FM1 satellite launch (ready to ship as of August 2025; exact launch date to be mutually determined with ISRO)

    Ready to ship August 2025; launch date TBD Kook 00:00:00
  • Nationwide intermittent commercial service launch in the US with AT&T and Verizon

    By end of 2025 Kook 00:00:00
  • International commercial service rollout (UK, Japan, Canada)

    2026 Kook 00:00:00
  • Possible AT&T media blitz promoting the new satellite service

    Possibly September 2025 (per an anonymous, unconfirmed DM source) Kook 00:00:00
  • Microns completed for 40 satellites

    By early 2026 Kook 00:00:00
  • Packed Q3/Q4 2025 launch schedule (ISRO, possible New Glenn 2, SpaceX launches shown ready-to-ship in November but expected no earlier than December)

    Q3-Q4 2025 Kook 00:00:00
  • Exim / IFC financing diligence and documentation process, expected to bring in about $500 million of non-dilutive capital

    In progress as of the Q2 2025 call Kook 00:00:00
  • Next Kook's Weekly Spaces session

    The following Sunday Kook 00:00:00

Open Questions6

  • Whether/when AST will finalize a definitive commercial agreement (DA) with Verizon, given intermittent 2025 US service was announced alongside AT&T without one in place yet.

    Kook 00:00:00
  • Whether Scott's comment about 'more, and bigger' government opportunities under the current administration is connected to the Golden Dome missile-defense program, which no one directly asked about on the call.

    Kook 00:00:00
  • Which launch partner actually received the early $25 million payment mentioned on the call (Kook guesses Blue Origin/New Glenn but says it could be SpaceX).

    Kook 00:00:00
  • Whether the earnings release's reference to '2 types of satellites' for commercial use implies FM1/FM2 carry a distinct government-only phased array/tail (for MIMO or HALO-related use) versus standard commercial BlueBirds.

    Kook 00:00:00
  • Whether the 'sovereign' framing in the 21-of-27-EU-member-states SatCo interest reflects government/state entity interest in addition to commercial MNO interest.

    Kook 00:00:00
  • Whether AST could realistically aggregate a meaningful share of the 60 MHz of global ITU spectrum Abel referenced, after he downplayed acquiring all of it as too costly.

    Kook 00:00:00
2025-08-12 54:34

Anpanman: Initial Thoughts on Q2 Update, TLDR BULLISH

Anpanman

Anpanman (solo, of the recurring co-hosts Anpanman and Kook) delivers an impromptu, notes-based recap of AST SpaceMobile's Q2 2025 earnings call, which he calls 'incredibly bullish.' He covers launch cadence, production, commercialization, spectrum, and financial guidance.

His headline conclusion is that the company is now fully funded for its 45-to-60-satellite constellation and is entering a sustained multi-launch campaign starting with FM1, ready to ship this month. He also concludes that government revenue will lead commercial revenue in the near term.

He argues that being short the stock now is 'financial suicide.' He notes Kook will host a separate, likely more detailed, space later the same evening covering the same call.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman describes AST SpaceMobile's Q2 2025 earnings call as 'incredibly bullish' and says the stock rose to $51.30 after hours from a pullback low in the mid-$40s (off an all-time high of $60).
  • The company said FM1 will be ready to ship in August 2025, with the launch date to be mutually determined with ISRO afterward; Abel Avellan stated all future launches are independent of one another and not contingent on FM1's success or the deployment of its phased array.
  • The company guided to 5 orbital launches by the end of Q1 2026 and said it expects to launch new satellite batches every 1 to 2 months on average through the rest of 2025 and 2026.
  • AST SpaceMobile has completed microns for 8 Block 2 BlueBird satellites so far, expects a production cadence of 6 satellites' worth of microns per month by the end of Q3 2025, and is on track to complete microns for 40 Block 2 satellites in early 2026.
  • The company reiterated $50 to $75 million of revenue guidance for the second half of 2025, mostly government-related, and reported $14 million in bookings this quarter (mostly gateway/infrastructure purchases from MNO partners), with roughly $10 million per quarter expected going forward.
  • AST SpaceMobile said it has $1.5 billion of cash on the balance sheet and is fully funded for the planned 45-to-60-satellite constellation; it also terminated its $500 million ATM program after using approximately $493 million of it.
  • Six satellites currently in orbit are being used by government customers testing 5 to 10 different unique use cases (per Scott Wisniewski), and the company now has 8 total US government contracts after 2 additional awards this quarter.
  • The company guided to intermittent US commercial service by the end of 2025, and to UK, Japan, and Canada commercial service in Q1 2026.
  • A $550 million special-purpose vehicle (SPV) tied to the Ligado spectrum transaction is expected to cover a $420 million payment in October 2025 and a $100 million payment in March 2026, meaning no out-of-pocket cash from AST for those two payments (though ongoing usage and interest payments still apply).
  • Anpanman suggests watching Viasat (VSAT) stock, which he says closed around $25.55 (up from trading in the tens before the Ligado deal), as an informal barometer for whether the Ligado spectrum transaction is at risk.

Detailed Discussion8 topics

Market Reaction and Framing

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Calls the Q2 update 'an incredibly bullish call' and says it was exactly what the market needed, arguing the company is at a very different point than in 2022 or 2024 now that it is entering a multi-launch campaign and commercialization.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:00

    Notes the stock ran to an all-time high of $60 before pulling back to as low as the mid-$40s, and says after today's call the stock is now at $51.30 after hours.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Says some bears had been claiming the stock could fall to $30, which he argues would require an 'absolute failure' scenario (e.g., satellites not launching for another year or two, or a Midland factory catastrophe) that isn't reflective of reality.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Says short interest had risen ahead of the print and bears were 'celebrating' yesterday and today, but argues that after this bullish update, given the launch cadence and path to commercial service, being short the stock now is 'financial suicide,' recalling that short sellers betting on an FM-1 delay in late May got run over as the stock rose over 100% in June.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:00

    Highlights that 9 analysts from 8 different firms (Quilty had 2 analysts) asked questions on the call, calling this a 'pretty big milestone' compared to 2023 calls when sometimes only one analyst asked a question and retail dominated the Q&A.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Notes some of the delays are reportedly related to the US government/defense customers requesting modifications to the satellites, which he frames as a 'good delay' since it reflects a large customer's engagement rather than a technical failure.

Launch Plan and Cadence

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    FM1 is expected to be ready to ship in August 2025 (this month), with the actual launch date to be mutually determined with ISRO afterward; there may be sequencing tension with another important ISRO mission originally scheduled after AST's.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    Abel Avellan confirmed on the call that all future launches are completely independent of one another and are not contingent on a successful FM1 launch or phased-array deployment, meaning FM2 could in theory fly before FM1 if FM1's launch is delayed.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Guesses FM2 could launch roughly 2 weeks after FM1, calling this his own estimate rather than something the company stated.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    The company guided to 5 orbital launches by the end of Q1 2026; Anpanman estimates this breaks down to FM1 and FM2, then 3 Falcon 9 launches with 3 BlueBirds each (6 total), then a 3rd launch (possibly New Glenn) with 6 to 8 BlueBirds — his own math totaling roughly 14 to 16 new satellites, or about 20 to 21 total in orbit including the 6 already up, by end of Q1 2026.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    References slide 7 of the presentation showing 13 planned launches sequenced against micron completion; by September there should be enough microns completed for 5 launches, and — reading the ready-to-ship timeline, with the standard caveat that timelines are contingent on multiple factors — launches 3 and 4 could theoretically be ready in November and launch 5 in December.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company expects to average launches every 1 to 2 months through the rest of 2025 and 2026.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    A launch payment to an unnamed partner was pulled forward from Q3 to Q2; Scott Wisniewski called this a demonstration of 'flexibility.' Anpanman speculates it could be Blue Origin (perhaps to secure more launch commitments or accept expendable-booster risk) or SpaceX (perhaps to secure backfill capacity), but says it's unclear which.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    The company said it hopes to average 6 to 8 BlueBirds per launch, which Anpanman says points toward Blue Origin New Glenn as the primary high-capacity vehicle, though he floats the possibility that AST could also pay up for SpaceX Falcon Heavy to get similar per-launch volumes.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Notes there is flexibility to fill launch slots that other customers vacate when their satellites aren't ready, which he views as a potential low-cost opportunity given AST's growing stock of ready satellites.

Production, Manufacturing, and IP

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company has completed microns for a total of 8 Block 2 BlueBird satellites so far; Block 2 satellites are roughly 3 times bigger than Block 1, mainly due to larger solar panels and phased array.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company appears on track for a production cadence of microns for 6 satellites per month by the end of Q3 2025, and is targeting completion of microns for 40 Block 2 satellites in early 2026; Anpanman says the new control bus ('tuna can'), not micron production, is likely to be the bottleneck.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company reiterated it will have up to about 400,000 square feet of manufacturing facilities across Texas, Europe (Spain), and other locations, supported by 1,200 workers; Anpanman notes the company did not specifically call out its Homestead, Florida site today, which he speculates is intended for government satellite production given its proximity to other defense primes.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:00:00

    Mentions that 'Space Mob' community due diligence uncovered potential additional suppliers in Korea, drawing a parallel to sourcing/manufacturing choices tied to markets like India (ISRO) where AST is pursuing business.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:00

    The company now has 3,700 patents and patent-pending claims, up from 3,650 previously cited.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Notes the company is already thinking beyond Block 3 (mid-band) toward future satellite generations 4, 5, and 6, which he says was a key factor for Verizon in choosing AST SpaceMobile over Starlink, since competitors are still working toward first-generation parity.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company is procuring materials for roughly 40 satellites in order to avoid potential tariff impacts, and reiterated a target production cadence of 72 satellites per year.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    Abel Avellan said mid-band BlueBirds (serving Ligado L-band and S-band frequencies) will support spectrum from 1.5 GHz up to 2.6 GHz, which surprised Anpanman since he had believed the range only extended to 2.4 GHz; he notes this could open the door to using the 120 MHz of 2.5 GHz spectrum held by T-Mobile (via the Sprint/Clearwire merger) and SoftBank in Japan.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    Says Abel mentioned, though Anpanman is unsure he heard it correctly, that there could be up to 8 additional satellites potentially ready (though maybe not fully tested) just a few weeks after FM1, which he takes as a sign of aggressive production pace.

Commercialization and Government Business

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Says government is likely to dwarf commercial revenue for the first 2 to 3 years of commercialization, calling this his own guess, with commercial business kicking in afterward — comparing the dynamic to Starlink's consumer-plus-government business mix.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    Abel said the 6 satellites currently in orbit are being used by government customers testing different applications; Scott Wisniewski said there are 5 to 10 different unique use cases, which Anpanman notes is the first time the company has quantified that figure.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:00

    Notes that bears previously argued the US government would never launch a defense-related satellite on an Indian ISRO rocket, but says the company confirmed it is doing exactly that.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Scott Wisniewski said there could be some government contract awards before the end of the year, which Anpanman speculates could coincide with the 'Golden Dome' missile-defense initiative, though he notes no analysts asked about Golden Dome directly.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company said it now has a total of 8 US government contracts after 2 additional awards this quarter; Scott described these as 'programs of record' that can grow into hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue once past initial test phases.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    Scott noted AST's satellites are the largest phased arrays in low Earth orbit and can be built for about $23 to $24 million each, far cheaper than traditional government satellite primes that can cost hundreds of millions to billions of dollars per satellite over multi-year timelines.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    Says the company reiterated it tested with 'all US forces' and that US firms were involved in developing some satellites, suggesting FM1 and FM2 carry unique government-oriented capabilities that may later trickle down to the Block 1 fleet.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company guided to intermittent commercial service in the US by the end of 2025, which Anpanman says was a bit of a surprise to him, and to UK, Japan, and Canada commercial service in Q1 2026 — consistent with Rakuten separately moving up its own guidance from end of 2026 to early 2026.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Notes Canada's carrier partner is Bell Canada (an IPO-era investor), though the company did not name Bell Canada specifically on today's call.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The SatCo European JV is drawing interest from 21 of 27 EU member states, according to the company.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Scott indicated other MNO deals are 'in the works' and hinted at upcoming strategic agreements; Anpanman guesses this could include a definitive Verizon commercial agreement, a Bell Canada agreement tied to Q1 Canadian service, and possibly Saudi Telecom or other Middle East telecom partners.

Spectrum: Ligado and S-band

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    CFO/Chief Legal Officer Andy Johnson said the Ligado transaction remains on track to close and is now purely in a regulatory review process; the confirmation hearing originally scheduled for August 7 was pushed to August 27, reportedly due to a disagreement over a term with Inmarsat.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Says he wasn't worried about the hearing delay, viewing it as a normal complication in a complex bankruptcy proceeding, and notes Kook has separately done research suggesting people close to Ligado remain bullish on AST SpaceMobile.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Suggests tracking Viasat (ticker VSAT) — which merged with Inmarsat and stands to receive Ligado-related payments — as an informal barometer for the health of the Ligado deal; he says Viasat closed around $25.55, up from trading in the tens before the Ligado deal was announced, and that a sharp Viasat drop (e.g., back toward $10) would signal a problem with the Ligado transaction.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    On the recently acquired S-band ITU priority spectrum rights, the company said the deal effectively gives it priority standing to negotiate S-band licenses with regulators worldwide (outside the US and Europe, where S-band is already allocated), which Anpanman calls a strategic moat that would be hard to replicate.

Financials and Funding

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company reiterated guidance of $50 to $75 million in revenue for the second half of 2025, with most of it expected to be government-related; some contract details may remain undisclosed if classified.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    Bookings this quarter were $14 million, primarily related to MNO purchases of infrastructure like gateways; the company said it expects roughly $10 million in bookings on average for the next few quarters.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company confirmed a $550 million SPV, backed by underlying Ligado assets and currently arranging bridge/term-loan financing, will cover a $420 million payment due to Ligado in October and a $100 million payment due in March 2026, meaning no cash out of AST's own pocket for those two payments (though ongoing usage and interest payments still apply).

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company reiterated it will have $1.5 billion of cash on the balance sheet and said it is fully funded for deployment of the 45 to 60 satellite constellation, which Anpanman describes as the business being largely de-risked as long as the launch timeline holds; additional funding could still be needed if there are delays or new opportunities (e.g., a dedicated government-focused entity).

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company said that once 25 satellites are in orbit, that initial constellation is expected to contribute meaningfully to covering operating costs, which Anpanman guesses relates to hitting service KPIs tied to government customers.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    CFO Andy Johnson expressed confidence that commercial revenue, government revenue, and non-dilutive funding sources will meet the company's funding needs; the company terminated its $500 million ATM program after using approximately $493 million of it.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    Andy Johnson said the company is shifting spend away from 'standing up the business' toward commercialization and strategic development, while noting the company would still seek additional financing if appropriate.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The company reiterated it is pursuing roughly $500 million in Ex-Im and IFC funding and appears further along in that process, though the exact timeline is unclear.

Analyst Price Targets and Coverage

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Lists current sell-side price targets: Barclays $37, Roth $51, Deutsche Bank $64, ClearStreet $59, Scotiabank $42.90, and Cantor $30 (Cantor published an initial reaction today), with UBS still restricted; he expects some targets to be raised following the call.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    In response to a listener question, says he doesn't think analysts have enough visibility yet to model near-term government revenue into price targets, since the current government contracts are still exploratory, but expects this to become easier to model later this year as contracts expand.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Says he believes there is a coming government revenue ramp later this year and into the first half of next year that most analysts haven't modeled, calling it underappreciated upside.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    In response to a listener question about an appropriate price target, says some analysts may be in 'wait-and-see' mode until FM1 is completed and launched (about 20 days out at the time of the call), after which he expects price targets to move higher as launch risk, government contracts, and potential MNO deals like a Verizon agreement materialize.

Listener Q&A

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    Asked where to watch an upcoming UBS conference presentation, says he doesn't believe it will be webcast, though he has asked management about pushing banks to webcast such events when possible.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    Closes by noting he compiled and updated a running list of company milestones and near-term catalysts (last updated in June, now refreshed) that he plans to tweet out, and says today's call was exactly what the company needed to restore confidence around launch timelines and reiterate commercial-service commitments.

Watch Items16

  • FM1 satellite readiness for shipment

    August 2025 (this month) Anpanman 00:00:00
  • FM1 launch date (to be mutually agreed with ISRO)

    After August 2025 shipment; exact date TBD, sequencing may be affected by another ISRO mission Anpanman 00:00:00
  • FM2 launch

    Anpanman's guess: roughly 2 weeks after FM1 Anpanman 00:00:00
  • 5 orbital launches expected

    By end of Q1 2026 Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Launches 3 and 4 potentially ready

    November 2025 (per slide 7 sequencing, contingent on multiple factors) Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Launch 5 potentially ready

    December 2025 (per slide 7 sequencing, contingent on multiple factors) Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Micron production cadence of 6 satellites/month

    By end of Q3 2025 Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Microns completed for 40 Block 2 satellites

    Early 2026 Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Intermittent commercial service in the US

    By end of 2025 Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Commercial service launch in UK, Japan, and Canada

    Q1 2026 Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Ligado bankruptcy confirmation hearing

    Pushed from August 7 to August 27 Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Ligado $420 million SPV-funded payment

    October 2025 Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Ligado $100 million SPV-funded payment

    March 2026 Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Possible additional government contract awards

    Before end of 2025 (per Scott Wisniewski) Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Potential new MNO agreements (e.g. Verizon definitive deal)

    Anpanman's guess: coming soon, no firm date given by company Anpanman 00:00:00
  • UBS investor conference presentation

    Wednesday (this week); likely not webcast per Anpanman Anpanman 00:00:00

Open Questions7

  • How will FM1's launch be sequenced against another important ISRO mission originally scheduled to follow it, given AST's own delays?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Could FM2 end up launching before FM1 if FM1's launch date slips, given the company's statement that launches are independent of one another?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Which launch partner (Blue Origin or SpaceX) received the payment pulled forward from Q3 to Q2, and what does it imply about manifest changes or added launch commitments?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • What exactly did Abel mean by up to 8 additional satellites potentially being ready a few weeks after FM1 — fully completed, or just late-stage production?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Do sell-side analysts currently have enough visibility into AST's government contracts to model near-term government revenue into their price targets?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • What price target should an analyst assign to AST SpaceMobile following this call, given many appear to be in a wait-and-see mode pending FM1's launch?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Will the upcoming UBS investor conference presentation be webcast for retail investors to watch?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
2025-08-11 1:05:51

AST SpaceMobile Q2 2025 Earnings Call

Abel Avellan · Scott Wisniewski · Andy Johnson · Griffin Boss (B. Riley Securities) · Chris (UBS) · Brian Kraft (Deutsche Bank) · Colin Canfield (Cantor Fitzgerald) · Caleb Henry (Quilty Space) · Tim Warren (Oppenheimer and Company) · Greg (ClearStreet) · Chris Quilty (Quilty Space) · Unidentified guest

This episode is a rebroadcast of AST SpaceMobile's official Q2 2025 earnings call (August 11, 2025), led by CEO Abel Avellan, President Scott Wisniewski, and CFO Andy Johnson. Neither podcast host Anpanman nor Kook is present.

Management detailed Block 2 BlueBird manufacturing progress and a 2025-2026 launch campaign targeting 45-60 satellites. Management also covered new S-band and L-band (Ligado) spectrum moves, and reiterated plans for intermittent nationwide US service by year-end 2025.

The headline conclusion is that the company says it is now fully funded, with over $1.5 billion in pro forma cash, to build out the 45-60 satellite constellation needed for continuous coverage in key markets. The company also reiterated $50-75 million in second-half 2025 revenue guidance.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile reported Q2 2025 results and reaffirmed plans to launch intermittent nationwide direct-to-cell service in the US by the end of 2025, with the UK, Japan, and Canada following in Q1 2026.
  • The company ended Q2 2025 with pro forma cash of over $1.5 billion, which CFO Andy Johnson said fully funds the buildout of the 45-60 satellite constellation needed for continuous coverage in key markets.
  • AST has completed assembly of microns and phased arrays for 8 Block 2 BlueBird satellites in addition to 6 currently in operation, and expects roughly 40 satellite-equivalents of microns/phased arrays completed by early 2026.
  • FM1, the first Block 2 BlueBird satellite, will be ready to ship in August 2025; AST is still finalizing the exact launch date with its launch provider.
  • AST plans at least 5 orbital launches by the end of Q1 2026 and a total of 45-60 satellite launches across 2025-2026, at a cadence of roughly one launch every 45-60 days carrying 6-8 satellites each.
  • Second-quarter non-GAAP adjusted operating expenses were $51.7 million (up from $44.9 million in Q1), and capital expenditures were approximately $323 million (up from $124 million in Q1); both exceeded prior guidance due to one-time transaction costs (the Ligado closing and Vodafone JV work) and a launch payment pulled forward into Q2 plus early satellite-materials purchases ahead of tariff risk.
  • AST reiterated second-half 2025 revenue guidance of $50-75 million, driven by gateway equipment sales, US government contract milestones, and commercial service activation, with no assurance any or all of these will be achieved.
  • The company reduced its January 2025 convertible notes from $460 million to $100 million outstanding by converting $360 million into 15.2 million Class A shares via two equitization transactions during Q2 and the following month.
  • AST agreed to acquire global S-band ITU spectrum priority rights (60 MHz combined across two bands) for $64.5 million, adding to its L-band (Ligado) and MNO-partner low-band spectrum strategy; Abel Avellan said this spectrum will be activated country by country as regulatory approvals are obtained.
  • CFO Andy Johnson said the roughly $500-plus-million Ligado spectrum transaction payment is largely non-recourse, SPV-financed, with about $420 million due at the end of October 2025 and a further $100 million due in March 2026, ahead of expected FCC approval in 2026.
  • AST now has 8 total contracts with the US government as an end customer (2 won in Q2), and executives said they expect to compete for larger 'program of record' contracts (typically $100 million or more) as soon as this year.
  • President Scott Wisniewski said the 50/50 revenue-share model with MNO partners (AST provides the network, partners provide spectrum and customers) has been unchanged since founding, though the company may look to capture more value over time now that it holds more of its own spectrum.
  • On long-term constellation design, Abel Avellan said the plan is to eventually produce 72 satellites per year split between low-band and mid-band (AST-owned spectrum) variants, though Scott Wisniewski cautioned against reading this as two separate fixed-size constellations, describing the buildout instead as a flexible, demand-driven 'mesh' built once the initial 45-60 satellite constellation is complete.

Detailed Discussion6 topics

Manufacturing & Satellite Production

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:55

    As of the call date, AST has completed assembly of microns and phased arrays for 8 Block 2 BlueBird satellites, in addition to 6 currently in operations, and expects to complete assembly of approximately 40 satellite equivalents of microns and phased arrays by early 2026.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:55

    Manufacturing uses a 95% vertically integrated approach and remains on track to reach a cadence of 6 satellites per month during 2025; the company will soon have over 400,000 square feet of manufacturing space supported by a global workforce of over 1,200.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:29:31

    Responding to an investor question on production rate: within about a week AST will be at 9 satellites (phased arrays) built, in addition to the 5 already in orbit; the company now has the capability to reach 6 phased arrays per month and expects around 40 phased arrays built by end of 2025/very early 2026, with full-satellite build rate expected to catch up later this year to match a launch cadence of one launch every 45-60 days with 6-8 satellites per launch; 6 launches are already secured/manifested for 2026.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:52:30

    Provided the right market conditions, AST's long-term plan is to actually produce 72 satellites per year, split between low-band and mid-band variants using its own spectrum.

  • Speaker A Untagged 00:52:48

    Analyst Caleb Henry (Quilty Space) asked whether the 72-satellites-per-year, two-variant plan implies two separate ~72-90-satellite constellations (potentially 144-180 satellites total).

  • Scott Wisniewski Disagreement 00:53:07

    Pushed back on a rigid two-constellation framing, saying that's thinking like a static LEO business plan rather than how AST actually builds; once the initial 45-60 satellite constellation is in place, AST has flexibility to expand size and services as a demand-driven 'mesh,' particularly given its vertical integration and marginal economics — resolving the exchange without committing to a fixed satellite count.

Launch Campaign & Timeline

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:55

    FM1, AST's first next-generation Block 2 BlueBird satellite, will be ready to ship in August 2025; the company is working with its launch provider to determine the earliest possible launch date.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:55

    AST anticipates at least 5 orbital launches by the end of Q1 2026, occurring every 1-2 months on average, to reach a goal of 45-60 satellite launches during 2025-2026, driving continuous coverage in the US, Europe, Japan, and other strategic/government markets.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:42:39

    Asked whether FM1's timing is on the critical path for subsequent launches (i.e., whether AST needs to test FM1 extensively before sending more satellites up), Abel said no — the other satellites follow just a few weeks after FM1 and launches are treated independently, not conditioned on one another.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:37:49

    Responding to a question citing ISRO's chairman suggesting a communications-satellite launch (assumed to be AST's) within a couple of months, and asking about the chance of a batch Block 2 launch ahead of that ISRO launch: Abel said that is not the plan — the satellite is ready to ship this month, AST is finalizing the exact launch date with ISRO, and the 6 planned launches run independently across multiple launch vendors/partners.

  • Scott Wisniewski Disagreement 00:51:46

    Asked whether a $25 million launch payment pulled forward into the end of Q2 (versus its original early-Q3 contract timing) was to offset delays with Blue Origin's New Glenn, Scott said no — it reflects payment flexibility and quarter-to-quarter timing that isn't always apples-to-apples, not a New Glenn-related issue.

Spectrum Strategy — S-band, L-band/Ligado, and Global MSS

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:01:55

    AST recently announced an agreement to acquire 60 MHz of global S-band spectrum priority rights held under the ITU, providing paths to offer service in this band globally subject to country-level regulatory approvals; this complements the 'Plan L' L-band strategy in the US/Canada and enhances AST's core 3GPP spectrum strategy globally.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:27:00

    The court formally approved the Ligado definitive documents underpinning 80-year L-band usage rights, closing that transaction milestone; separately, AST closed a long-term non-recourse SPV-level delayed-draw financing facility usable once formal FCC approval is received, and is working on bridge financing ahead of FCC approval via a sponsor backstop commitment. The relevant spectrum is already FCC-authorized for geostationary-orbit space usage, and AST expects full approval to be a 2026 event, with initial filings expected in the coming months.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:28:07

    With L-band access for the US/Canada plus new S-band landing rights being pursued country-by-country, AST can combine low-band (from telco partners, for penetration and performance) with mid-band capacity (from its own L/S spectrum) on a global basis.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 01:00:55

    Responding to a question on the Ligado transaction's payment structure: the primary outflow is just north of $500 million, financed via non-recourse SPV financing; the payment obligation begins at the end of October 2025 (bulk of it, approximately $420 million) with a further approximately $100 million due in March 2026. Separate ongoing spectrum usage fees will begin later this year as part of the operating model.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:51:01

    Asked whether S-band is licensed nationally anywhere yet, Abel said it's a project starting now; AST will go administration-by-administration according to partner priorities to complement L-band and low-band access, building on 'bring-to-use' status established around 2016.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:55:38

    On S-band's current usage: there's some history of usage in the US and Europe, but in most other markets around the world usage is limited and the band is largely reserved for space use — creating a significant opportunity for AST to offer value to regulators and operators country-by-country.

  • Abel Avellan Speculation 00:41:01

    Asked whether current spectrum (L, S, plus MNO low-band) is all AST needs or whether further licenses could be purchased, Abel said the current blocks are large and sufficient to hit the 120 Mbps per-cell target data rate globally, and while AST never discards opportunities, no further specific purchases are currently planned.

  • Abel Avellan Speculation 00:45:39

    Explaining the value of AST's spectrum strategy, Abel said the phased-array technology can tune to low-band (700-950 MHz) or mid-band (1,700-2,600 MHz) and connect directly to standard cell phones, turning otherwise-underused satellite spectrum into valuable dual-use satellite/terrestrial spectrum — describing it as 'beachfront property' that only has value once you build a house on it.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:58:04

    On regulatory timeline and device support: AST deploys in tranches, starting with existing 3GPP low-band spectrum already supported in essentially every phone (a 5-billion-plus device addressable market); L-band and S-band chipset support is expected in future chipsets, timed to align with AST's own deployment plan as it adds those bands.

Commercial Service Rollout & MNO Partnerships

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:01:55

    AST's commercial ecosystem includes agreements and understandings with over 50 MNO partners representing nearly 3 billion subscribers globally.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:55

    AST is preparing to deploy nationwide intermittent service in the United States by the end of 2025 with US MNO partners AT&T and Verizon, followed by the United Kingdom, Japan, and Canada in Q1 2026.

  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:09:43

    A recent agreement with Vodafone Idea in India shows continued and growing demand for space mobile service across both consumer and enterprise use cases; AST continues conversations in other key strategic markets and expects to announce updates soon.

  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:09:43

    The Vodafone joint venture (SatCo) in Europe is progressing on plan; AST recently chose Luxembourg as its headquarters, and demand signals include expressions of interest from 21 of 27 EU member states as well as other European markets.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:09:43

    Q2 gateway equipment bookings were $14.9 million, a sequential increase driven by accelerated deployment of global network infrastructure; AST expects roughly $10 million average quarterly bookings during the second half of 2025.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:13:18

    AST reiterated its belief in a second-half 2025 revenue opportunity of $50-75 million, contingent on successful Block 2 launch/deployment, US government contractual milestone achievements, gateway equipment sales to MNO partners, and service revenue from activated commercial service — with no assurance any or all of these will be achieved.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:25:10

    Clarifying investor confusion about the newly announced native voice (VoLTE) and text (SMS) milestone versus prior first voice/video/text/5G demonstrations: last year's demos used partner spectrum and AST's core/technology without full core integration, whereas the new milestone shows native calling directly from a phone's own dialer, fully integrated into the operator's core infrastructure, without any app or over-the-top application.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:35:21

    Explaining how the 120 Mbps peak data rate per cell translates to real-world usage: a satellite has between 2,500 and 10,000 cells depending on band (10,000 achievable with the new ASIC), and within roughly a 12-kilometer-radius cell, the 120 Mbps peak capacity is shared dynamically among users doing voice, text, video, FaceTime, WhatsApp, or email — the number of concurrent users depends on local cell density and changes as more satellites are added.

  • Scott Wisniewski Disagreement 00:33:31

    Asked whether new spectrum acquisitions (S-band, potential Ligado) change AST's historically 50/50 revenue-share economics with MNO partners, Scott said the 50/50 split — AST brings the network, the partner brings spectrum and the customer — has been sacrosanct since founding and remains how all 50-plus operator contracts are structured to date, though over time AST may look to capture more value as its own MSS spectrum strategy becomes an enhancement.

  • Abel Avellan Disagreement 00:56:34

    Responding to a question noting T-Mobile bundles some satellite services for free and Verizon has said it won't charge for satellite texting, implying revenue share is complicated: Abel said AST views plain text as a commodity it doesn't price against, since its own service is full broadband (anything doable on a phone), which is the model over 50 telcos globally are subscribing to.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:44:35

    Asked what the nationwide intermittent service product will look like and whether it will be a paid product or a promotional vehicle, Abel said AST is coordinating with telco partners on this and prefers to comment jointly with them, but noted the US government is already using the satellites on an intermittent basis today.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:59:36

    Asked where IoT fits into the carrier partner timeline given the day's focus on broadband, Abel said the gap between continuous and non-continuous coverage is relatively short, that early applications are primarily governmental, and that IoT is a relatively small market compared to cellular broadband and the government opportunity, but is planned in addition to consumer broadband capability.

US Government & Defense Business

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  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:09:43

    In Q2, AST recognized revenue on 4 milestones tied to US government contract awards and won 2 additional early-stage contracts, bringing the total to 8 contracts to date with the US government as an end customer; AST expects government revenue to ramp significantly in coming quarters and is expanding its organization to serve government/defense customers.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:01:55

    AST demonstrated the first tactical non-terrestrial network (NTN) connectivity over standard mobile devices, with participation from multiple branches of the US Armed Forces.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:39:01

    Asked about the government TAM given recent developments in Washington, Abel said multiple government branches are testing and using AST's operational satellites under 8 contracted programs today, spanning both communications and non-communications applications already in use.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:40:00

    Early government contracts are building toward 'programs of record,' which in this sector typically run north of $100 million to several hundred million dollars; since the change in administration, Scott said there appear to be more, and potentially bigger, such opportunities, across 5-10 distinct use cases.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:47:37

    Asked about the timeline given government program documents released that day implying roughly $2 billion of incremental opportunity, Scott said specific award timing could occur even this year, without speculating on ultimate scale, citing demand and budget growth plus AST's unique offering across 5-10 use cases.

  • Abel Avellan Speculation 00:48:33

    AST believes it solves a tangible government problem where satellite size, power, and manufacturing cadence matter — building the largest satellites ever launched at AST's cadence, a combination no other operator is close to matching.

  • Abel Avellan Speculation 00:49:36

    On teaming with 'neo-prime' defense players (e.g., Anduril) blending defense hardware and consumer electronics: AST's antenna technology can deliver 120 Mbps from something a few square inches in size, embeddable in drones, ground vehicles/carts, or phones, and non-communications applications across multiple domains are a growing opportunity alongside the larger communications market.

  • Abel Avellan Untagged 01:02:46

    Asked whether government orbit/inclination requirements differ from commercial needs, Abel declined to comment, citing sensitivity around implying where the satellites are used, but noted strong interest in dual-use of AST's satellites.

  • Abel Avellan Speculation 01:03:21

    Asked whether AST could pursue similar government business with other Five Eyes countries, Abel said there is no exclusion preventing that, but AST's current focus remains the US government.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 01:04:10

    Asked whether a future 'Block X' satellite variant with government-specific capabilities might emerge, and whether current government capabilities were part of the original design or added later, Abel said government-use capabilities are already present and in use on satellites currently in operation, and that Block 1 required additional design features incorporated about a year and a half ago.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 01:04:43

    Added that the constellation's design lets AST evolve and tweak the large phased array's capability over time — rather than the classic approach of adding a transponder or payload — which the company can do attractively from a financial perspective as long as it maintains its constellation.

Financial Results (Q2 2025) and Capital Structure

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  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:13:18

    Q2 2025 non-GAAP adjusted operating expenses were $51.7 million versus $44.9 million in Q1 2025 — a $6.8 million increase, driven by a $5.5 million rise in adjusted G&A and a $2.1 million rise in adjusted engineering services costs, partly offset by an approximately $800,000 reduction in R&D costs.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:13:18

    Q2 adjusted OpEx exceeded prior guidance mainly due to large one-time transaction expenses — completion of the Ligado L-band spectrum transaction and its related non-recourse senior secured delayed-draw term loan facility, plus significant work on the Vodafone joint venture launched at quarter-end; adjusted for these, OpEx was approximately $46.5 million, consistent with prior guidance.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:13:18

    Q2 2025 capital expenditures were approximately $323 million versus $124 million in Q1 2025, comprising about $298 million of capitalized direct materials/labor for Block 2 BlueBirds and multiple launch-contract payments, with the balance in facility and production equipment spending.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:13:18

    Q2 capex exceeded the prior $270 million high-end guidance due to two decisions: procuring satellite materials above previous plans ahead of a volatile tariff environment, and making a $25 million launch payment at the end of Q2 rather than in early Q3 as originally contracted.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:13:18

    Guidance for Q3 2025: adjusted operating expenses of approximately $50 million (excluding transaction expenses); capital expenditures expected to decrease to a range of $225-300 million, due to the timing of certain launch payments.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:13:18

    AST reiterated an average capital cost estimate (direct materials plus launch) of $21-23 million per satellite for the planned constellation of over 90 Block 2 BlueBird satellites — unchanged from last quarter's guidance, subject to fluctuation from geopolitical factors.

  • Andy Johnson Speculation 00:13:18

    AST reiterated its belief that operating a constellation of 25 BlueBird satellites could generate cash flow from operating activities to help further fund buildout of the remaining constellation.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:13:18

    Pro forma cash, cash equivalents, and restricted cash as of June 30, 2025 were over $1.5 billion, factoring in the July 2025 convertible notes (effective strike price of approximately $120/share) and proceeds from the now fully-utilized, terminated ATM program; approximately $397 million net was raised from the 2024 and 2025 ATM facilities, and AST received $25 million in Q2 from the Trinity Capital equipment loan, a $100 million non-dilutive financing facility for manufacturing expansion.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:13:18

    Between two equitization transactions during Q2 and the following month, AST converted $360 million of the $460 million outstanding January 2025 convertible notes into 15.2 million Class A shares, reducing the outstanding balance on those 2032 notes to $100 million.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:13:18

    AST is progressing diligence and documentation on over half a billion dollars of potential non-dilutive capital from multiple US and international quasi-governmental agencies, following completion of initial funding clearances.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:23:29

    Responding to an investor question on funding sufficiency, Andy said AST's pro forma balance sheet of over $1.5 billion, combined with near-term government and commercial cash inflows, means the company believes it is fully funded to reach the 45-60 satellite level; going forward, capital strategy will shift from funding baseline thresholds toward commercial/strategic development and optimizing capital structure, with de-risking as a goal rather than treating new capital as a primary funding need.

Watch Items10

  • Nationwide intermittent commercial service launch in the US with AT&T and Verizon

    By the end of 2025 Abel Avellan 00:01:55
  • Intermittent service launch in the UK, Japan, and Canada

    Q1 2026 Abel Avellan 00:01:55
  • FM1 (first Block 2 BlueBird) satellite shipment and launch

    Ready to ship August 2025; exact launch date TBD with launch provider Abel Avellan 00:01:55
  • At least 5 orbital launches / progress toward 45-60 total satellite launches

    By end of Q1 2026 (5 launches); 45-60 launches across 2025-2026 Abel Avellan 00:01:55
  • Second-half 2025 revenue realization

    H2 2025, guided range $50-75 million Andy Johnson 00:13:18
  • Q3 2025 operating expense and capex guidance

    Q3 2025: ~$50M adjusted OpEx; $225-300M capex Andy Johnson 00:13:18
  • Ligado spectrum transaction bridge financing payments

    ~$420 million due end of October 2025; ~$100 million due March 2026 Andy Johnson 01:00:55
  • FCC approval of Ligado L-band spectrum usage rights

    Expected as a 2026 event; initial filings expected in coming months Andy Johnson 00:27:00
  • Potential US government 'program of record' contract award(s)

    Possibly as soon as this year (2025) Scott Wisniewski 00:47:37
  • S-band spectrum country-by-country regulatory approvals

    Starting now, administration-by-administration Abel Avellan 00:51:01

Open Questions6

  • How will the 50/50 MNO revenue-share model evolve now that AST holds more of its own spectrum (S-band, L-band)?

    Scott Wisniewski 00:33:31
  • Will AST need to purchase additional spectrum licenses beyond its current L-band, S-band, and MNO-partner low-band holdings?

    Abel Avellan 00:41:01
  • Will the eventual constellation actually split into two distinct fleets (low-band and mid-band, potentially 144-180 satellites total at 72/year each), or remain a single flexible, demand-driven build-out?

    Scott Wisniewski 00:53:07
  • What will the nationwide intermittent US service look like commercially — will it be a paid product or used as a free promotional vehicle to build interest ahead of full service?

    Abel Avellan 00:44:15
  • Do government satellite orbit/inclination requirements differ from commercial ones, and might AST develop a government-specific 'Block X' satellite variant?

    Abel Avellan 01:02:46
  • Could AST pursue similar government contracts with other Five Eyes nations beyond the US?

    Abel Avellan 01:03:21
2025-08-07 27:56

Anpanman - Strategic Implications of the S-Band Spectrum Priority Rights

Anpanman

In a solo re-recorded X Space (redone after the original livestream failed to save), Anpanman walks through AST SpaceMobile's acquisition of an entity holding global S-band ITU MSS priority spectrum rights.

He breaks down the deal economics and argues the transaction is strategically significant because it moves AST from roughly 25th to 3rd in global priority queue, behind only EchoStar and OmniSpace. His headline conclusion is that AST is shifting from a pure MNO-cellular-spectrum strategy to also bringing its own global L-band (Ligado) and S-band (this deal) spectrum to the table.

In his view, that strengthens its negotiating position with regulators worldwide — especially in Europe (via the Vodafone SatCo JV ahead of 2027 license renewals) and potentially Japan (via Rakuten) — versus financially and operationally weaker incumbents EchoStar and OmniSpace.

He attributes the day's stock decline to broader sector risk-off sentiment rather than to the deal itself, and flags Monday's quarterly update as the next major catalyst.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile acquired an entity referred to in the transcript as 'ElioSat' that holds S-band ITU priority rights to mobile satellite services (MSS) spectrum in the 1980-2010 MHz (uplink) and 2170-2200 MHz (downlink) ranges, per an 8-K filed the day after the deal was announced.
  • The deal conveys priority filing rights with the ITU, not actual usable spectrum licenses — it lets AST skip toward the front of the global queue (from roughly 25th to an estimated 3rd, behind EchoStar at 1st and OmniSpace at 2nd, per Anpanman's own speculation) when negotiating spectrum licenses with individual country regulators.
  • Total deal consideration breaks into $26 million paid at closing, $10 million due on the second anniversary, $10 million due on the third anniversary, roughly $16.6 million contingent on successful launch and effective service of AST's first L/S-band (mid-band, likely 'Block 3') satellite, and $1.85 million contingent on that satellite operating continuously for at least 90 days — payable in cash or stock at AST's election.
  • Anpanman frames this as the second step (after the January 2025 Ligado L-band deal) in a broader strategy of AST bringing its own global MSS spectrum (L-band plus S-band) to complement, not replace, its existing MNO cellular-spectrum partnerships.
  • AST's pitch to regulators is bundled with an MNO or joint-venture partner that already has local regulatory relationships and an existing subscriber base, which Anpanman argues is a much stronger application than legacy MSS spectrum holders EchoStar and OmniSpace can offer.
  • In Europe, Anpanman ties this deal to the existing Vodafone SatCo joint venture, framing a three-step sequence: (1) form the SatCo JV, (2) obtain global ITU spectrum priority via this deal, (3) apply for actual S-band licenses when the EU's spectrum licenses come up for renewal in 2027.
  • Anpanman speculates Rakuten could form a similar SatCo-style joint venture with AST in Japan to pursue S-band spectrum, pitching regulators on competitive benefits of a 4th carrier and a Japan-specific FirstNet-style first-responder network given the country's earthquake and tsunami risk — this is explicitly framed as his own speculation, not confirmed.
  • EchoStar is described as under heavy financial pressure ($29.5 billion of debt, roughly $5 billion of cash with some restricted) and facing FCC pressure from Chairman Brendan Carr to actually deploy its AWS-3/AWS-4 spectrum or risk losing it; in response EchoStar announced a deal with MDA Space to build a direct-to-device constellation (Aurora satellites) that Anpanman estimates will cost north of $5 billion, which he says EchoStar does not currently have the funds for.
  • The stock's decline on the day of this recording is attributed by Anpanman to broad 'risk-off' sentiment across the space sector following weak earnings from other space companies, not to any negative reaction to the spectrum deal itself.
  • AST SpaceMobile is expected to give a quarterly business update on the Monday following this recording, which Anpanman expects to include further explanation of the spectrum deal plus updates on production and launch timing.

Detailed Discussion6 topics

ElioSat Acquisition — Deal Structure and Economics

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    Anpanman re-recorded this session because his original 10 AM live X Space on this topic was not saved/recorded, so he is repeating the discussion after doing additional overnight research.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:00

    The spectrum rights transaction was announced the previous day, and additional details were released today via an 8-K filing; Anpanman credits the account 'ASTS Investors' for summarizing the economic terms nicely.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:00

    The company acquired an entity he refers to as 'ElioSat,' which holds certain S-band ITU priority rights to MSS (mobile satellite services) spectrum in the range of 1980-2010 MHz for uplink and 2170-2200 MHz for downlink.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:00

    Payment terms: $26 million at closing, $10 million on the second anniversary of closing, $10 million on the third anniversary, approximately $16.6 million in success-based payments tied to successful launch and effective service of the company's first L/S-band (mid-band) satellite — which he expects to be labeled a 'Block 3' BlueBird — and an additional $1.85 million payment for that satellite achieving at least 90 days of continuous operation. AST has the option to make these payments in cash or in shares.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman believes there was quite a bit of market confusion the prior day about what the deal actually is, given how esoteric spectrum regulatory processes are, and expects the company to review the transaction further on the upcoming Monday update.

Why the Deal Matters — Priority Rights vs. Owned Spectrum

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    This deal does not convey actual spectrum — it conveys priority rights, meaning it moves AST up the global ITU filing queue so it can go to individual country regulators and request S-band spectrum licenses; it does not guarantee any given country will grant a license.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman speculates, based on things he's seen discussed, that EchoStar holds the number 1 global priority position, OmniSpace is number 2, and this deal puts AST at number 3.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    The US and Europe have already allocated their S-band spectrum, though Europe's licenses will go through a renewal process in 2027; for the rest of the world, S-band/MSS spectrum overall is described as an underutilized 'backwater' that AST can now pursue via its improved priority position.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    Anpanman draws an analogy to Charlie Ergen's purchase of TerreStar and DBSD spectrum out of bankruptcy plus subsequent spectrum auction wins, noting the FCC required build-out of a terrestrial network to use that spectrum or risk having it clawed back — illustrating that owning spectrum rights alone isn't enough; deployment obligations follow.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Unlike terrestrial spectrum, there is no auction process for most global MSS spectrum since licenses haven't been granted yet — the company will go to regulators, make its case, and be granted (or not) a license; AST could still directly purchase spectrum from an existing unused holder for speed-to-market (he speculates AST may have had past conversations with OmniSpace or EchoStar along these lines), but this ITU priority deal lets the company largely bypass that path.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Spectrum allocations by regulators aren't fixed at the up-to-30-by-30-MHz figure AST has cited — a given country's regulator could split available S-band capacity among multiple applicants (e.g., 10x10, 15x15, or 5x5 MHz), with the quality of the applicant mattering for how much any single player receives.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman frames AST's broader strategic shift as moving beyond relying solely on MNO partners' cellular spectrum to also bringing its own global MSS spectrum (L-band via the Ligado deal, S-band via this new deal) to the table, which strengthens the value AST offers MNO partners and appeals to regulators looking to put underutilized spectrum to work — citing FCC Chairman Brendan Carr's public rhetoric about 'unleashing' spectrum and innovation as reflective of a broader regulatory mindset.

Competitive Positioning vs. EchoStar and OmniSpace

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    OmniSpace is described as having a business plan and a 'paper constellation' but no real deployed service — Anpanman says they have perhaps one or two test satellites in space with fits and starts of activity but 'nothing there' for all intents and purposes.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    EchoStar has satellites and some limited service but is under heavy financial duress, with a pay-TV/satellite business Anpanman calls a 'melting ice cube,' roughly $29.5 billion of debt, and roughly $5 billion of cash, some portion of which is restricted.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:00

    FCC Chairman Brendan Carr has pressured EchoStar, threatening to seize its AWS-4 and AWS-3 spectrum if the company doesn't actually deploy and get service running.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    In response to FCC pressure, Charlie Ergen/EchoStar announced a deal with MDA Space to build a direct-to-device constellation using Aurora satellites, which Anpanman estimates will cost 'something north of $5 billion' — money he says the company doesn't currently have; there is some speculation a deep-pocketed financial partner could help fund it, though Anpanman notes Ergen has a reputation as a notoriously difficult negotiating counterparty.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman views the EchoStar/MDA deal as primarily a gambit to buy time with the FCC and to have something material to show ahead of the EU's 2027 decision on whether to renew EchoStar's S-band license.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    AST's financial position is cited as a competitive advantage versus these two legacy players: an approximately $18 billion market cap (down that day) and roughly $1.5 billion of cash on hand, combined with an actual committed mid-band satellite constellation program (guessed to cover roughly 1.5-2.4 GHz) and real MNO partnerships, versus EchoStar/OmniSpace's weaker financial and execution positions.

Strategic Application in Europe

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman frames the Vodafone SatCo joint venture as step one, this ITU priority deal as step two, and actually obtaining S-band licenses in 2027 (when EU licenses come up for renewal) as step three of AST's European spectrum strategy.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Two competing solutions could emerge for Europe: the EU's own homegrown IRIS satellite initiative, estimated to cost north of $10 billion and viewed skeptically by the market given it would be bureaucrat-run and Europe is several generations behind in the technology, versus the Vodafone/AST SatCo JV, which by the time of 2027 licensing is expected to have interest from MNOs covering 22 countries (Anpanman guesses Orange and other key players).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    If granted, up to 30 MHz by 30 MHz of S-band capacity would provide pan-European broadband coverage without cross-border coordination or interference issues, layered on top of the terrestrial cellular supplemental-coverage service — described by Anpanman as a 'true game changer' for Europe.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman contrasts AST's fixed, precisely-beamformed cell architecture (which avoids cross-border interference in Europe's many small, closely bordered countries) with Starlink's direct-to-cell service, which he says cannot form fixed cell beams — beams are constantly moving — creating interference challenges he believes are hindering Starlink's ability to provide service in Europe.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    AST's European S-band play is framed as enabling the first pan-European FirstNet-equivalent first-responder network, relevant both for disaster response and for European defense communications amid increased defense spending in the context of the war in Ukraine, with Anpanman speculating there could eventually be a 'European version of Golden Dome.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman references recent flooding in Spain (which he estimates occurred one to two years prior) that caused fatalities when cellular networks went down, and cites this as an example of the kind of disaster scenario where AST's cellular supplemental coverage plus future S-band capacity could support both the public and first responders.

Strategic Application in Japan and Other Markets

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman speculates Rakuten, as AST's Japanese MNO partner, will likely form a SatCo-style joint venture with AST to pursue an S-band license, pitching Japanese regulators on competitive benefits of a stronger 4th carrier (arguing markets function better with 4 competitors than 3, since 3 tends toward oligopolistic behavior) plus a first-responder network akin to FirstNet, which he views as especially important given Japan's earthquake and tsunami exposure.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    AST's existing FirstNet partnership with AT&T in the US (covering push-to-talk, preemption, and related public-safety features) is framed as a reusable skillset and credibility asset for pitching similar first-responder network services to other countries, aided by the fact that public-safety agencies are generally open to sharing best practices rather than treating them as proprietary.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    In less mature regulatory markets, Anpanman notes regulators tend to follow ITU rulings, priority, and coordination more directly than fully developed markets do, making AST's improved ITU priority position particularly useful for opening discussions in those countries.

Market Reaction and Upcoming Catalysts

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman attributes the stock's pullback on the day of this recording to broad 'risk-off' sentiment across the space sector, noting several other space companies reported weak (in his words, 'pretty bad') earnings results, rather than a negative reaction to this spectrum deal specifically.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman expects AST to provide an update the coming Monday that will be 'chock-full of strategic updates,' including production and launch timing information.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman speculates AST may see a US-based Cape Canaveral launch occur earlier than an ISRO (India)-based launch, though this reference was garbled in the transcript (rendered as 'Israel') and should be treated as an uncertain/unclear point.

Watch Items4

  • AST SpaceMobile quarterly update/earnings call, expected to include further explanation of the S-band ITU priority rights deal plus production and launch timing updates

    the coming Monday, after market close Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Kook's weekly recap X Space

    Sunday night (before the Monday quarterly update) Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Possible earlier-than-expected satellite launch from Cape Canaveral versus an ISRO (India)-based launch (transcript garbled this as 'Israel')

    unspecified / soon, per Anpanman's expectation Anpanman 00:00:00
  • EU decision on whether to renew existing S-band spectrum licenses (relevant to both EchoStar and the Vodafone/AST SatCo joint venture)

    2027 Anpanman 00:00:00

Open Questions4

  • How will individual country regulators actually divide available S-band spectrum (e.g., the up-to-30x30 MHz figure) among multiple applicants, and how much will AST specifically be granted in any given market?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Will EchoStar's MDA Space/Aurora satellite direct-to-device constellation, estimated to cost north of $5 billion, actually get funded and built given EchoStar's financial distress?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Will Rakuten actually form a SatCo-style joint venture with AST to pursue S-band spectrum in Japan, as Anpanman speculates?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • How will the EU resolve competing 2027 S-band licensing outcomes between its own IRIS initiative, EchoStar's renewal bid, and the Vodafone/AST SatCo joint venture?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
2025-08-04 55:39

Kook's Weekly - August 4

Kook

In this solo 'Kook's Weekly' episode (Aug 4, 2025), Kook argues ASTS's stock has stayed strong despite what look like negative headlines, because most of the remaining risks to the thesis are now within the company's control.

Those headlines are a dilutive convertible note, an unannounced FM1 delay, and EchoStar's Charlie Ergen claiming to build the 'first' wideband direct-to-cell constellation. He previews the August 11 earnings call — FM1/FM2 status, Block 2 'at least 20 by year end' guidance, possible Golden Dome updates, and a roughly $1.5 billion cash balance.

He also walks through changing prospectus language he reads as a bullish signal on FM1's August ship date. He then spends significant time picking apart EchoStar/Charlie Ergen's D2D ambitions, comparing them to a history of failed prime-contractor-built satellite constellations (Teledesic, ICO, SkyBridge, Iridium, Globalstar).

He closes bullish on Ligado spectrum progress, NTIA regulatory tailwinds, and rising sell-side price targets, while cautioning that none of this is a buy recommendation.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook (solo host of this episode) argues ASTS stock has stayed resilient — trading well above prior lows — despite a recent dilutive convertible note issuance, an unannounced delay to the FM1 Block 2 satellite launch, and EchoStar's Charlie Ergen publicly claiming to be building the 'first' wideband direct-to-cell (D2C) satellite constellation.
  • Kook says most of the remaining risks to the ASTS investment thesis (satellite production, cash runway) are now within the company's control, versus a year ago when the company was dependent on outside financing and unproven technology; the main remaining dependencies are FCC approval (Chairman Brendan Carr) and mobile carrier partners honoring their spectrum agreements.
  • AST SpaceMobile reports its next quarterly update on August 11, 2025; Kook expects commentary on FM1/FM2 launch status, a possible surprise update on FM2, reiterated or increased guidance of at least 20 Block 2 satellites by year-end, an approximately $1.5 billion cash balance, and potentially the company's first meaningful reported revenue.
  • AST SpaceMobile's prospectus language changed over successive filings: a May 13, 2025 prospectus targeted shipping the first Block 2 satellite in Q2 2025 for a July 2025 launch; a June 2025 prospectus dropped the specific date and only said the launch campaign would begin 'shortly'; a July 28, 2025 prospectus reinserted specific language expecting to ship the first Block 2 satellite (FM1) to the launch provider in August 2025, which Kook reads as a sign of increased company confidence given the legal scrutiny on convertible-note prospectus language.
  • Kook is skeptical of EchoStar's Charlie Ergen and his claimed direct-to-cell constellation plans (a roughly $1 billion initial order, up to $5 billion total, executed via prime contractor MDA), arguing EchoStar has going-concern language, declining pay-TV and Hughes subscriber counts, roughly $500 million in EBITDA losses, and no capital, customers, or in-house engineering team — and that Ergen is more likely using the D2C claim as leverage against the FCC and potential spectrum buyers than pursuing a real network.
  • Kook reviews the history of prime-contractor-built satellite constellations that failed — Teledesic (Craig McCaw/Bill Gates, killed by Boeing/Motorola contracting costs), ICO (Boeing halted construction over contract disputes), SkyBridge, Iridium, and Globalstar — as evidence that outsourcing satellite design/build (versus AST's in-house, iterative approach) leads to cost overruns and failure.
  • Sell-side coverage: B. Riley raised its price target on ASTS to $60 from $44 while maintaining a buy rating; Deutsche Bank's price target stands out at $681. Kook says investors should focus on analysts' revenue logic rather than their specific price targets.
  • The Ohio Public Employees Retirement System (OPERS) disclosed a new $3 million ASTS position initiated in Q2 2025, alongside other large holdings like Nvidia, Microsoft, and Apple — cited by Kook as an early example of long-only institutional interest.
  • A July 25, 2025 FCC filing states AST SpaceMobile anticipates launching up to 20 satellites (including FM1, excluding the five Block 1 BlueBirds already in orbit) by the end of 2025, with the first two satellites (including FM1) operating at 520 km altitude and the remaining 18 at 690 km.
  • Kook believes FM1 and FM2 are the two 'test' satellites referenced in the Space Development Agency's HALO program, based on matching orbital altitude/inclination details between AST's FCC filings and SDA program specs, plus AST's own press release confirming HALO program participation.
  • Kook cites the UK's Ofcom (described as the UK's equivalent of the FCC) as working to finalize a direct-to-device regulatory framework by the end of 2025, driven partly by Vodafone pushing to launch service, following the pattern where the FCC leads and other countries follow.
  • A Ligado Chapter 11 bankruptcy confirmation hearing is expected around August 7, 2025, the same week Kook expects developments tied to NTIA Director Ariel Roth's involvement in clearing DOD spectrum-coordination requirements needed for AST's long-term L-band spectrum access deal with Ligado.
  • Kook notes ASTS has an 'undefeated' track record so far across satellite tests (BlueWalker 1, BlueWalker 3, and all five Block 1 BlueBirds successfully deployed and unfolded), and argues this — combined with the company's cash position — makes a future satellite setback far less financially dangerous than it would have been a year or two ago.

Detailed Discussion10 topics

Stock Resilience Despite 'Negative' Headlines

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook opens by noting the stock has stayed strong even amid what looks like bad news: ASTS priced a new convertible note (dilution), and there's been a delay to the FM1 satellite launch with no company PR about it, plus EchoStar's Charlie Ergen claiming to be building the 'first ever wideband D2C constellation' and saying AST isn't even a competitor.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook describes his own 'Kook sentiment indicator' as a contrarian signal — his instinct to panic when the stock dips is, in his telling, itself evidence of overreaction in the broader Space Mob community, and he says the day-to-day drama (like DMs about a rumor that FM1 might launch imminently, or someone claiming Starlink/direct-to-cell might not scale until '2040') is noise relative to what mobile carriers, FirstNet, and Verizon's CEO are actually saying about the technology working.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook argues the market looks 3-6 months ahead rather than at daily news, and that ASTS is now largely a 'name your price' stock because the things previously outside the company's control (cash, satellite production progress) are now largely within it; remaining dependencies are FCC Chairman Brendan Carr's approvals and mobile carrier partners (including confirming Verizon has a spectrum agreement).

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:00

    Kook says he has never told anyone to buy the stock and never will, but worries about people who already decided to hold getting talked out of it by Twitter chatter or over-eager due diligence.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook reviews August seasonality for ASTS: up ~40% in August 2024 (after a strong July), down 9% in August 2023, up 71% in August 2022, up 15% in August 2021, and roughly flat in August 2020 — framing August as historically the strongest month because satellites tend to be ready around then, though he says September has historically been 'less good.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook cautions that a single large long-only manager (e.g., a Fidelity or Capital Research fund) buying 10% of the company, combined with low float, could move the stock sharply on news like a Verizon definitive agreement (DA).

August 11 Earnings Preview

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    AST SpaceMobile reports its quarterly update on August 11; Kook says he hasn't prepared a formal earnings preview but expects the company to address FM1's status (either shipped or fully wrapped and ready) and possibly surprise with an update on FM2, which he speculates (guessing) might launch on Blue Origin.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    Kook expects the company to repeat or reaffirm guidance of at least 20 Block 2 satellites by year-end, which he calls the point at which 'the true inevitability of this company' and a major stock revaluation occurs.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook expects a possible update on Golden Dome given a Golden Dome industry conference/seminar occurring on Thursday, August 7, though he says he doesn't know what the right expectations are for progress on that front.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook expects the company to highlight a balance sheet of roughly $1.5 billion in cash and potentially report meaningful revenue for the first time, given Block 1 satellites have been operational for a while and the company previously gave back-half revenue guidance.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook speculates that even if satellite-launch-driven revenue guidance is revised slightly downward due to launches being 'a little backended,' overall revenue guidance could actually be raised because of accelerating government contract wins — and says any reported revenue at all, plus reaffirmed guidance, would be a positive surprise for the market.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook says the timing of a Verizon definitive agreement (DA) or other large DAs remains unknown, and argues the company benefits from waiting to sign such deals until it has a working constellation in orbit to actually monetize, rather than locking in terms too early.

FM1/FM2 Launch Timeline and Prospectus Language Changes

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    Per an AST SpaceMobile FCC filing dated July 25, 2025, the company anticipates launching up to 20 satellites (including FM1, excluding the 5 Block 1 BlueBirds already in orbit) by the end of 2025; the first two satellites (including FM1) will operate at 520 km altitude, and the remaining 18 will operate at 690 km.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    Citing research from community member Kevin Chen, Kook traces changing prospectus language: a May 13, 2025 prospectus stated the company expected to ship the first next-gen Block 2 BlueBird satellite to the launch provider in Q2 2025 for a launch scheduled in July — which did not happen.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    A subsequent June 2025 prospectus dropped the specific July language, instead saying the company expected to 'commence our launch campaign shortly' for over 60 satellites in 2025 and 2026 at a cadence of about one launch every one to two months, heavily hedged with contingency language — which Kook attributes to the company having just learned that a launch ahead of them (ISRO's) was slipping.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    A July 28, 2025 prospectus (filed alongside a new convertible bond offering) reinserted specific language: the company expects to ship the first next-generation Block 2 satellite to the launch provider in August 2025 and commence its launch campaign of over 60 satellites shortly thereafter.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook argues that reinserting specific, dated language into a prospectus while issuing $575 million of convertible bonds is a meaningful signal of confidence, since the company is highly risk-averse about avoiding any statement that could be construed as a false statement (fraud) to bondholders, and would not have re-added it without good reason.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Citing a tweet from community analyst 'Katzi,' Kook frames the purpose of FM1 and FM2 as: inaugurating Block 2 production, spreading launches across multiple providers, and testing the satellites' new, larger, easier-to-unfold antenna form factor before committing to the next 20-50 satellite launches.

Track Record and Changed Risk Profile

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    Kook says AST SpaceMobile has a perfect track record so far: BlueWalker 1, BlueWalker 3 (despite a mid-program redesign), and all five Block 1 BlueBird satellites successfully launched, unfolded, and worked, including what he calls one of the most complex orbital insertions SpaceX has done.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook argues that because the company now has roughly $1.5 billion in cash and multiple satellites in the production pipeline, a future satellite failure would no longer be an existential/binary risk to the company (unlike earlier in its history when a failure combined with no cash could have been fatal) — it would just cause a mark-to-market stock hit, not a fundamental collapse.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook references Redrum's analysis showing a path to a $1,500 stock price based on $24 billion of revenue, and argues the total addressable market (commercial, government, military) is large enough and the business high-margin/high-moat enough to support a high valuation multiple.

Charlie Ergen / EchoStar Direct-to-Cell Claims

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook says Charlie Ergen (EchoStar) publicly claimed to be building the 'first ever wideband D2C constellation' and stated EchoStar is not competing with AST SpaceMobile.

  • Kook Rumor 00:00:00

    Kook describes EchoStar's plan as an initial satellite order of roughly $1 billion with a full program cost of about $5 billion, executed via prime contractor MDA — and argues MDA has only demonstrated some capability 'in the lab,' comparing it to AST's earliest pre-BlueWalker-1 stage.

  • Kook Rumor 00:00:00

    Kook relays that people who track Charlie Ergen's private jet noted he recently visited Apple in San Jose, and speculates (explicitly guessing) this was a last attempt to strike an Apple partnership that was rejected, pushing EchoStar toward the MDA contract instead as a fallback.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook's theory is that Ergen structured the contract with 'Swiss cheese' contractual outs to allow an easy walk-away, and that the real purpose of the announcement is to create leverage against the FCC (to avoid losing EchoStar's spectrum) and against potential buyers of that spectrum, rather than to build a real network — calling it a likely 'paper constellation.'

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    Kook cites EchoStar's own earnings call and public disclosures: going-concern language, concerns about the FCC taking back spectrum, pay-TV subscribers down 12%, Hughes subscribers down 14%, wireless subscribers roughly flat, and about half a billion dollars of EBITDA losses, framing the company as a 'train wreck' financially.

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:00

    Kook says Anpanman (in a separate Spaces session Kook listened to) has deep knowledge of EchoStar/Charlie Ergen from prior industry experience trading related securities, and credits that conversation for sharpening his own view of EchoStar's situation.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook frames the broader dynamic as AST having won access to Ligado's L-band spectrum (a 'rational' seller) while EchoStar (an 'irrational' seller, in Kook's view) was passed over, and separately accuses SpaceX/Elon Musk of trying to obtain spectrum access without paying for it rather than negotiating — an unproven characterization presented as Kook's opinion.

History of Failed Prime-Contractor Satellite Constellations

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  • Kook Untagged 00:00:00

    Kook recounts Teledesic (founded by Craig McCaw and Bill Gates): it obtained FCC approval and 500 MHz of spectrum and raised significant capital, but ultimately failed because it outsourced satellite construction to Boeing and Motorola, whose cost overruns and misaligned incentives, plus an overly complex handset-dependent business model, killed the project.

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:00

    Kook recounts ICO Global (a spinoff from Inmarsat, backed by Hughes, NEC, and Ericsson): its first spacecraft blew up in 2000, a second launched but sat unused for roughly 10 years, and Boeing (then Hughes) ultimately stopped construction of the constellation after repeated contract repricing disputes.

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:00

    Kook cites SkyBridge, Iridium, and Globalstar as further examples of satellite ventures that failed or struggled after outsourcing satellite construction (e.g., Iridium to Motorola), reinforcing his view that in-house, iterative satellite design (as AST does) avoids the fundamental misalignment of using a prime contractor.

Ligado Spectrum Deal and NTIA Regulatory Path

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook expects a Ligado Chapter 11 bankruptcy plan confirmation hearing this week, on August 7 ('if I remember'), which he views as an important step toward finalizing AST's long-term L-band spectrum access deal.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook highlights new NTIA Director Ariel Roth appearing publicly with FirstNet vehicles and describes her as strongly pro-satellite and a supporter of including satellites in the BEAD broadband program; he believes she will be central to clearing the DOD spectrum-coordination requirement needed for the Ligado deal's bankruptcy confirmation.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook argues that because a bankruptcy reorganization plan must pass a legal 'feasibility test' (it can't be approved if the DOD would simply block it), and given the number of professionals involved in the Ligado case, the DOD spectrum-coordination issue has likely already been substantively cleared, though he has not found anyone who can confirm this directly.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook notes AST SpaceMobile representatives were recently photographed with NTIA officials, which he interprets as corroborating evidence that the Ligado regulatory path is progressing.

Government/Defense Programs (HALO/SDA, Golden Dome)

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook says the Space Development Agency's HALO program bidding process is complete, AST is a prime contractor in that pool, and he believes FM1 and FM2 correspond to the two test satellites specified in the HALO program (based on matching orbital altitude/inclination between AST's FCC filings and SDA program documents), noting AST has already publicly confirmed HALO program participation via press release.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook says a Golden Dome industry conference/seminar is scheduled for Thursday, August 7, and he expects updates but is uncertain what to expect on progress, while personally believing AST will 'win it.'

Balance Sheet, Valuation, and Analyst/Institutional Coverage

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook notes that, doing rough math, ASTS now has about $4 of cash per share — more cash per share than the entire stock price was roughly a year to a year and a half ago — and says Anpanman separately arrived at the same calculation independently.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    B. Riley maintained its buy rating on ASTS and raised its price target to $60 from $44; Deutsche Bank's price target stands at $681. Kook advises investors to focus on analysts' underlying revenue logic rather than the specific price targets.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook frames the core valuation question as whether ASTS can generate $5-10+ billion of revenue, arguing that if so, the company could be worth $100-300 billion, which (divided by his estimated ~400 million terminal share count) supports very high per-share price targets.

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:00

    Citing an unnamed LinkedIn technical article found by community member Kevin Chen, Kook relays that the network's viability hinges on achieving an effective EIRP (radiated power) of about 83 decibel-watts per square meter per beam, achieved because the satellite's large phased array allows many small antenna elements to constructively (or destructively) combine into powerful, directed beams.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    The Ohio Public Employees Retirement System (OPERS) disclosed a new $3 million ASTS position initiated in Q2 2025; other large holdings in its portfolio include Nvidia, Microsoft, and Apple. Kook frames this as an early example of large, patient institutional buyers starting to recognize the ASTS story.

International Regulatory and Launch Provider Developments

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Citing 'Dr. Mike,' Kook notes the UK's Ofcom (the UK equivalent of the FCC) is still working to finalize a direct-to-device regulatory framework by the end of 2025, driven partly by Vodafone pushing to launch service, consistent with the pattern of the FCC leading and other regulators following.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook discusses Blue Origin CEO Dave Limp meeting with Senator Ted Cruz (who Kook notes also visited AST's facility), framing US government support for Blue Origin's New Glenn as a hedge against SpaceX; Kook expects AST to use New Glenn capacity for a significant number of future satellite launches to diversify away from reliance on SpaceX.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    Kook notes ISRO successfully launched the NISAR spacecraft, with both the launch vehicle and payload performing nominally, which he cites as giving him confidence in AST's own upcoming ISRO-related launch plans.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook mentions Rakuten has talked about trying to launch its AST-based satellite service earlier than expected, citing this alongside AT&T and FirstNet public commentary as evidence that carrier partners ('insiders') are seeing positive signals about the network's progress.

Watch Items6

  • AST SpaceMobile quarterly earnings/update call, expected to cover FM1/FM2 launch status, Block 2 year-end satellite count guidance, balance sheet, and possibly first reported revenue

    August 11, 2025 Kook 00:00:00
  • Shipment of the first next-generation Block 2 BlueBird satellite (FM1) to the launch provider, per reinserted prospectus guidance

    August 2025 Kook 00:00:00
  • Golden Dome industry conference/seminar, watched for potential AST-related updates

    Thursday, August 7, 2025 Kook 00:00:00
  • Ligado Chapter 11 bankruptcy plan confirmation hearing, a step toward finalizing AST's L-band spectrum access

    Week of August 4, around August 7, 2025 (Kook hedges 'if I remember') Kook 00:00:00
  • Timing of a Verizon definitive agreement (DA) or other large carrier definitive agreements

    Unspecified — Kook expects it after the constellation is operational Kook 00:00:00
  • Launch campaign of 60+ Block 2 satellites in 2025-2026 at a cadence of about one launch every one to two months, following FM1/FM2

    Beginning shortly after FM1 ships (per July 28, 2025 prospectus) Kook 00:00:00

Open Questions6

  • Will FM2 launch on Blue Origin, as Kook speculates, or on another provider?

    Kook 00:00:00
  • What will the August 11 earnings call reveal about revenue — will the company report meaningful revenue for the first time, and will full-year guidance be raised, reaffirmed, or trimmed?

    Kook 00:00:00
  • Has the DOD spectrum-coordination review required for the Ligado bankruptcy plan's feasibility test already been completed, or is it still pending?

    Kook 00:00:00
  • What are the actual contractual terms of EchoStar's MDA-built direct-to-cell satellite deal — is it a real commitment or, as Kook suspects, structured with broad outs to allow EchoStar to walk away?

    Kook 00:00:00
  • When will AST SpaceMobile sign a definitive agreement (DA) with Verizon or other carriers, and what terms will it include?

    Kook 00:00:00
  • What specific progress, if any, will be announced on AST's Golden Dome-related defense opportunities?

    Kook 00:00:00
2025-07-28 52:47

Kook's Weekly - 28 July

Kook

In this solo 'Kook's Weekly' episode (no Anpanman), Kook lays out why ASTS's AT&T core-network integration is a durable competitive moat versus Starlink Direct to Cell.

He argues the Verizon definitive agreement is coming, citing the Verizon CEO's on-air comments, and says it may carry a large prepayment. He reviews the balance sheet after a new ~$500 million convertible note deal that replaced the January 2025 converts.

He also digs into an odd satellite launch-altitude sequencing that he speculates points to DOD/Golden Dome-related satellites, plus NTIA leadership news and Golden Dome momentum.

His headline conclusion: the pieces (AT&T, Verizon, FirstNet, Ligado, Golden Dome, NTIA) are lining up into what he calls a 'mobile broadband monopoly' setup. The near-term catalyst is the FM1/FM2 Block 2 launches gated by NASA's NISAR mission.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook (solo host) highlights AT&T's newly announced completion of the first satellite call routed directly into AT&T's core network, arguing this is critical because it means phones can't tell the difference between a satellite and a normal tower connection — enabling full functionality like 911 calls, unlike apps such as WhatsApp/FaceTime.
  • Kook contrasts this with SpaceX Direct to Cell, which he says operates as a separate network that phones must actively search for and switch to/from T-Mobile, draining battery and creating a less seamless experience than ASTS's core-native integration.
  • Kook argues that once an MNO integrates with ASTS at the core-network level, switching away becomes practically impossible (an AWS-style cloud lock-in comparison), which he believes supports durable, expanding cash flows and a 'platform effect' where new use cases get built on top of the network, pushing monetization well beyond the original 'dead zone' thesis.
  • Kook speculates (explicitly framed as upside, not base case) that ASTS could eventually generate around $1 billion of revenue while trading at roughly a quarter-trillion-dollar market cap due to this platform effect and convexity in the business model.
  • On Verizon, Kook notes it has been over a year since the LOI was announced and no definitive agreement (DA) has formally dropped, but he cites the Verizon CEO stating publicly on MSNBC that Verizon already has an agreement in place with ASTS, and notes the recent convertible-bond prospectus disclosed ASTS expects to sign a Verizon agreement.
  • Kook speculates, as his own unconfirmed opinion, that the delay in formally announcing the Verizon DA may involve negotiating a large upfront prepayment (he floats a 'quarter- to half-a-billion dollar' range as a guess) tied to ASTS effectively financing spectrum/infrastructure buildout for Verizon.
  • A newly surfaced FCC filing shows FirstNet amended its contract with AT&T to authorize supplemental coverage from space via ASTS, which Kook says opens the nationwide 20 MHz FirstNet spectrum block for commercial secondary use without new tower buildout, though he isn't sure how much stock impact this specific filing alone will have.
  • AST SpaceMobile reported approximately $940 million of cash at the end of Q2 2025, alongside $100 million of existing convertible notes and $43 million of secured debt, and the company terminated its at-the-market (ATM) equity program in connection with the new bond deal.
  • ASTS priced a new convertible note offering (announced range of $490-560 million, which Kook expects to be upsized) on a Thursday evening, using proceeds partly to retire/exchange existing convertible bonds; by Kook's own back-of-envelope math, factoring in Q3 ATM proceeds plus bond proceeds, the company could have roughly $1.6 billion of cash plus about $400 million of satellites/work-in-progress on the balance sheet.
  • The new convertible notes carry a 2.375% coupon (down from 4.25% on the January 2025 notes) with an initial conversion price near $72/share, and the company again bought a capped call raising the effective dilution threshold to roughly $120/share, which Kook interprets as the company protecting founder Abel Avellan's ownership percentage while opportunistically managing its capital structure.
  • Kook attributes the stock's decline around the new convert pricing (he estimates 8-10% into the close) to mechanical convertible-bond arbitrage hedging (funds shorting stock against new bond purchases) rather than any fundamental issue, noting the prior January 2025 convert saw a steeper ~16% initial drop that fully recovered within 8 days.
  • Citing analysis from an account he calls 'Katzie'/'Cassie,' Kook says the satellite launch order looks unusual: after FM1 and FM2 are raised to a commercially-favorable 690km orbit, the following roughly 18 satellites appear slated for a lower ~500-520km shell that isn't well suited to commercial coverage — he speculates this may indicate those satellites are Department of Defense/HALO-related, possibly tied to the 'Golden Dome' missile-defense program.
  • Kook flags that FM1's launch is gated by NASA's NISAR mission (slated to launch around July 30), with ISRO's own account and the recent convertible bond prospectus both indicating the first Block 2 BlueBird would ship/launch in August; he also mentions unconfirmed chatter that FM2 (or possibly FM3/FM4) could launch sooner than expected, possibly on a rocket other than a SpaceX Falcon 9.
  • Kook discusses changes to the Golden Dome missile-defense program's public solicitation language that appear to allow the DoD to buy 'services' rather than just hardware, which he interprets (alongside the 'Katzie' account) as potentially opening the door for companies like Anduril and possibly ASTS selling satellite capability as a service.
  • Kook notes the U.S. Senate confirmed Arielle Roth to lead the NTIA this week, calling this significant because the NTIA coordinates spectrum policy with the FCC (relevant to both the Ligado spectrum deal and Golden Dome) and because Roth has also championed satellite use under the roughly $42 billion BEAD broadband program.
  • Kook speculates (as his own interpretation, not a confirmed capability disclosure) that ASTS satellites operating in the 1200-2400 MHz band could theoretically be used to jam or spoof GPS, BeiDou (China), and GLONASS (Russia) signals for military purposes, describing this as a potential complement to missile defense given recent reports of the U.S. running low on missile interceptors.
  • Kook cites FCC Chairman Brendan Carr's public comment that the FCC will 'try to free up spectrum' to make direct-to-cell service work more robustly everywhere, which Kook views as a bullish signal that ASTS could gain spectrum access potentially without a costly auction.

Detailed Discussion13 topics

AT&T Core-Network Integration and Competitive Moat

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    AT&T posted a group photo/message announcing it completed the first satellite call routed directly into AT&T's core network, meaning phones don't know they're on a satellite — it's seamless, native, and works with no special app or software patch, unlike WhatsApp or FaceTime calls which can't complete a 911 call.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Because MNOs own their own cores, this integration gives telecoms full control and all normal safety/functionality (e.g., 911) over ASTS-based mobile connections, in contrast to SpaceX's Direct to Cell, where the phone is a separate system that must actively search and switch between T-Mobile and Starlink, draining battery.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook compares ASTS to an AWS-style cloud vendor: once an MNO is integrated with ASTS at the core level, he believes it will never switch away, similar to how enterprises fear cloud vendor lock-in — this durability is what he says drives valuation multiples via visible, growing cash flows and 'net expansion' as usage grows.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook argues the platform effect — third parties building applications/use cases on top of ASTS's anywhere-connectivity — will push monetization well beyond the original 'dead zone' coverage thesis, potentially leading to a scenario where ASTS has $1 billion of revenue yet trades at a quarter-trillion-dollar market cap; he stresses this is upside asymmetry, not his base case.

Verizon Definitive Agreement (DA)

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    It has been over a year since Verizon's LOI was announced, and the definitive agreement (DA) still hasn't formally been announced; Kook argues this is not because talks fell apart, citing FCC filings, LinkedIn job postings requiring Verizon-systems familiarity, and industry contacts as evidence the deal is still on track.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    The Verizon CEO said on MSNBC that Verizon already has its agreement in place with ASTS.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:00

    ASTS disclosed in its recently filed convertible-note prospectus that it expects to sign an agreement with Verizon.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook says once ASTS has definitive agreements with both AT&T and Verizon, it controls two-thirds of the US market, giving it a blocking position that would make a competing constellation economically infeasible — he frames this as 'chess, not checkers' by Abel Avellan and Scott Wisniewski's team.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook's own unconfirmed suspicion is that the delay in formally announcing the Verizon DA reflects negotiation over revenue share and a possible large prepayment (he floats a rough guess of a quarter- to half-billion-dollar check) tied to ASTS effectively financing spectrum and infrastructure buildout (including fallow spectrum) for Verizon at attractive capital-efficiency economics; he explicitly caveats this could be true or not.

FirstNet Spectrum / FCC Filing

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  • Kook Untagged 00:00:00

    FirstNet's dedicated spectrum gives emergency services (police, fire, rescue) first-use priority, with second-use rights for AT&T to monetize the spectrum commercially when not in emergency use.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    An FCC filing shows ASTS has proven it can operate across the continental US (CONUS) using FirstNet frequencies, effectively letting AT&T monetize a nationwide 20 MHz FirstNet spectrum block via ASTS without building new towers.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    FirstNet stated in an FCC filing that it amended its contract with AT&T to authorize supplemental coverage from space via ASTS.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook says he believes this FirstNet development is material to the overall investment mosaic but is uncertain how much any single agreement like this would move the stock on its own.

Balance Sheet and Q2 2025 Cash Position

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    ASTS reported $940 million of cash at quarter-end (Q2 2025), with $100 million of existing convertible bonds and $43 million of secured debt outstanding at that point; the company terminated its existing ATM program in connection with the new convert deal.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    By Kook's own calculation, factoring in Q3-to-date ATM proceeds plus the new bond proceeds, ASTS might currently have roughly $1.6 billion of cash, plus an estimated ~$400 million of satellites/work-in-progress on the books (based on $226 million of BlueBird satellites and $235 million of satellites-in-orbit figures from Q1), for a combined roughly $2 billion of cash and satellite assets.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook says he hopes Q2 results show early revenue (potentially including prepayments and Exim-related items), which he believes would let the market extrapolate a linear path to billions of dollars of eventual revenue from a full constellation.

New Convertible Bond Offering and Capital Structure Management

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    ASTS announced a new convertible bond offering Thursday evening expected to generate $490-560 million depending on upsizing, which Kook expects will in fact be upsized; the old converts had a fair value of $262 versus a $242 market price against $100 par, and were used to retire/exchange existing bonds.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    The new notes carry a 2.375% coupon (versus 4.25% on the January 2025 notes) and were issued 'up 20%' at pricing, which Kook considers a light/cheap premium relative to typical convert structures he's seen; the conversion price is around $72 (versus ~$27 on the last deal), and the bonds traded up about 6 points after pricing.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    The company again bought a capped call on itself, raising the effective dilution/conversion threshold to about $120/share (versus the raw ~$72 conversion price), which Kook says shows the company is doing everything possible to minimize dilution and protect founder Abel Avellan's ownership percentage (Avellan holds 78 million shares).

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook explains that the company aggressively bought back/flushed its old convertible bonds in June because the stock's cost-to-borrow had spiked to around 13% (a 'short squeeze'-like condition), which was breaking convertible-bond arbitrage economics; by protecting those bondholders, the company demonstrated it's a reliable repeat issuer, and cost-to-borrow subsequently fell to roughly 60 basis points.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook attributes the stock's decline around the new convert pricing (roughly 8-10% into the close, versus a steeper ~16% drop after the January 2025 deal that took only 8 days to recover) to mechanical hedging by convertible-bond arbitrage funds shorting the stock against their new bullish bond positions, not to any fundamental negative news.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:00:00

    Kook references a write-up by Kevin Mack agreeing that the capital structure moves show the company is bullish but do not necessarily indicate management believes the stock is going to $120 — only that they think it might; Kook also references Anpanman's Spaces discussion on the same topic without detailing its content.

Dilution and ATM Program Philosophy

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook argues retail investors are often confused about dilution, noting that without any dilution/capital raising the company likely wouldn't exist (it would be bankrupt) — raising capital via ATM or converts is simply inducting partners into the company to fund growth while trying to minimize how much of the 'pie' is given away.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook expects there will likely be another ATM filing and argues a slow, dollar-cost-averaged ATM raise (e.g., another $500 million to $1 billion, roughly 5% dilution spread over 3 months) is preferable to a single large overnight offering that would tank the stock 10% at once.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook says he wants ASTS to maintain a large cash balance (he'd like to see $1.5-2 billion and never wants it under $1 billion until well past the investment phase) because he does not want to take on financial/leverage risk on this investment — only technology risk and execution risk, since running out of cash would permanently destroy the value-creation opportunity.

Satellite Launch Order and Orbital Shells (DOD/Golden Dome Speculation)

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Citing analysis from an account he refers to as 'Katzie'/'Cassie,' Kook says that after FM1 and FM2, satellites are being raised to a 690-kilometer orbit (better field of view, lower deorbit risk, more economical for consumer coverage) starting with a third satellite, whereas the next roughly 18 satellites appear slated for a lower ~500-520 kilometer shell not well suited to commercial coverage.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook speculates this out-of-order sequencing (going back to a lower shell after starting the higher commercial shell) suggests those 18 satellites are for the Department of Defense — tying back to the earlier HALO/SDA contract, which Kook believes bought two satellites (FM-1 and FM-2) up front for DOD/HALO testing, possibly related to the 'Golden Dome' program.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook frames the growing number of planned orbital shells (a 'BlueBird shell,' low-band shell, mid-band shell, and a speculative 'laser weapon from space shell' per Cassie) as evidence the total addressable market and satellite count are larger than originally envisioned, not evidence of CapEx inefficiency.

Launch Timeline (FM1, FM2, NISAR, Blue Origin)

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    FM1's launch is gated by NASA's NISAR satellite mission, which is scheduled to launch around July 30 (with the episode recorded July 27); ISRO's own Spaceflight account has shown NISAR cargo being encapsulated, and the convertible bond prospectus also indicated shipping in August.

  • Kook Rumor 00:00:00

    Kook flags unconfirmed chatter/rumors that FM2 might not launch on a Falcon 9 as expected, and that FM3 or FM4 could potentially launch sooner than anticipated, possibly on a different rocket ('something with a feather on it,' implying Blue Origin); he says diligence on this is ongoing within the Space Mob community.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook expects the stock's run-up into the August launch window to potentially continue (citing 'Katzie's' comparison of the 2025 versus 2024 stock chart into launch season), and notes that with a busier launch cadence (including upcoming Blue Origin New Glenn flights) there may not be a post-launch stock hangover this time.

Golden Dome Program

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook, citing 'Katzie's' review of the public Golden Dome solicitation, says changes appear to give the DOD more flexibility to buy 'services' rather than only hardware, which he interprets as potentially opening the door for companies like Anduril, and possibly ASTS, to sell satellite capability as a service rather than selling satellites outright.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook cites a Breaking Defense article quoting Golden Dome program lead General Guetlein discussing the technical challenge of the program, including whether there is sufficient industrial base capacity to build satellites fast enough — Kook notes ASTS is rapidly expanding manufacturing capacity across two states beyond what would be needed for a ~95-satellite commercial fleet, implying (his own inference) a connection to Golden Dome.

NTIA Leadership and Spectrum Policy

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    The Senate confirmed Arielle Roth to lead the NTIA this week; the NTIA is a key executive agency that coordinates spectrum allocation with the FCC, which Kook says is relevant to finalizing the Ligado L-band spectrum deal (representing DOD/government interests in that FCC approval) and to Golden Dome.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook believes any prudent bankruptcy judge would have checked with the NTIA before ruling the Ligado restructuring plan feasible, though he says this is his own conjecture and could be wrong.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Roth has also championed satellite usage under the roughly $42 billion BEAD broadband program, and Kook notes there has been public interaction/photos between ASTS and the NTIA, which he speculates relates to coordination on both Ligado and Golden Dome.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook argues the NTIA's involvement isn't necessary for ASTS's baseline success but could unlock additional significant upside on Ligado and potentially on Golden Dome, including a scenario where the government simply grants federal spectrum for Golden Dome use rather than requiring a paid auction.

Spectrum-Based Defense Use Cases (GPS Jamming/Spoofing)

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook, referencing a 'Katzie' tweet, speculates that ASTS satellites operating in the 1200-2400 MHz band could be used to jam or spoof GPS, BeiDou (China), and GLONASS (Russia) navigation signals, describing the satellites' signal strength as over 50 decibel-watts stronger than GPS signals at Earth's surface, potentially disabling enemy radar, missiles, and drones in a theater of war while appearing to be ordinary telecom satellites.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook connects this to a recent Wall Street Journal report that the US nearly ran out of missile interceptors during a 12-day war, arguing that disabling adversary missile guidance via spectrum could be a complementary, ammunition-free way to counter such threats, and sees this as a growing DOD business opportunity for ASTS over the next 10-40 years.

FCC Spectrum Policy Comments

2
  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:00

    Kook cites a tweet from 'Dr. Mike' quoting FCC Chairman Brendan Carr saying the FCC will 'try to free up spectrum' to make direct-to-cell work more robustly everywhere, which Kook views as a strong positive signal, comparing it to the government giving a company like Exxon free extra oil acreage.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook says it's possible the political dynamic (NTIA plus FCC) could result in spectrum being made available for these national-security-linked use cases even without a costly auction, though he says this remains to be seen.

AT&T Social Media Activity

1
  • Kook Speculation 00:00:00

    Kook notes AT&T's social media accounts have been unusually active — using blood-type-A and waffle emojis to troll T-Mobile — which he jokingly suggests could mean the account was hacked or that AT&T is genuinely excited about something, questioning whether this coincides with the Verizon CEO's on-air comments and the start of the Block 2 launch cadence.

Watch Items7

  • FM1 (first Block 2 BlueBird) launch

    Gated by NASA's NISAR mission, expected to launch around July 30; ISRO account and convertible-bond prospectus both indicate shipping/launch in August Kook 00:00:00
  • FM2 (and possibly FM3/FM4) launch

    Expected soon after FM1; unconfirmed rumors it could come sooner than anticipated and potentially on a non-Falcon-9 rocket Kook 00:00:00
  • Formal Verizon definitive agreement (DA) announcement

    Pending/overdue — over a year since the LOI, already affirmed verbally by Verizon's CEO and referenced in the convert prospectus Kook 00:00:00
  • Q2 2025 earnings update

    Upcoming; Kook hopes it shows early revenue/prepayment/Exim details Kook 00:00:00
  • Golden Dome program developments (solicitation, industrial base capacity)

    Ongoing Kook 00:00:00
  • NTIA/FCC coordination on Ligado spectrum approval and Golden Dome spectrum allocation

    Ongoing, following Arielle Roth's confirmation this week Kook 00:00:00
  • Blue Origin New Glenn launch cadence

    Upcoming launches expected to add to overall launch visibility/cadence Kook 00:00:00

Open Questions5

  • Why hasn't the Verizon definitive agreement been formally announced despite the Verizon CEO publicly confirming a deal is in place, and will it come with a large prepayment or specific revenue-share terms?

    Kook 00:00:00
  • Is the apparent out-of-order satellite launch sequencing (690km commercial shell before a lower ~500-520km shell) actually driven by Department of Defense/HALO or Golden Dome requirements, as speculated?

    Kook 00:00:00
  • Will FM2 (or FM3/FM4) launch sooner than expected, and on a rocket other than a SpaceX Falcon 9?

    Kook 00:00:00
  • Will NTIA involvement under new leadership help clear spectrum allocation for the Ligado deal and Golden Dome, potentially without requiring a paid spectrum auction?

    Kook 00:00:00
  • How much individual stock-price impact will each pending agreement (Verizon DA, FirstNet amendment, etc.) have versus their cumulative effect as a 'mosaic'?

    Kook 00:00:00
2025-05-12 1:16:22

AST SpaceMobile Q1 2025 Earnings Call

Scott Wisniewski · Abel Avellan · Andy Johnson · Colin Canfield (Cantor Fitzgerald) · Mike Crawford (B Riley Securities) · Chris Skoll (UBS) · Caleb Henry (Quilty Space) · Tim O'Hara (Oppenheimer & Company) · Scott Searle (Roth Capital) · Brian Kraft (Deutsche Bank) · Chris Quilty (Quilty Space)

This episode is a straight rebroadcast of AST SpaceMobile's official Q1 2025 business update/earnings call (published May 12, 2025), featuring CEO Abel Avellan, President Scott Wisniewski, and CFO/Chief Legal Officer Andy Johnson. Neither recurring SpaceMob host (Anpanman or Kook) appears in this episode.

An operator reads shareholder-submitted questions, and the team then fields questions from sell-side analysts: Cantor Fitzgerald, B Riley, UBS, Quilty Space, Oppenheimer, Roth Capital, and Deutsche Bank.

The headline: AST says it is at an 'inflection point,' unveiling a plan for 5 orbital launches over the next 6-9 months, starting with a Block 2 BlueBird in July, to deploy 60+ satellites through 2025-2026.

It is raising its per-satellite cost estimate to $21-23 million (from $19-21 million) due to launch-cost pull-forward and tariffs, guiding to $50-75 million of back-half-loaded 2025 revenue, and reporting $874.5 million in cash plus a new $500 million ATM facility.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile unveiled a plan for 5 orbital launches over the next 6 to 9 months, occurring roughly every 1 to 2 months through 2025 and 2026, aiming to deploy over 60 satellites in that window.
  • The first Block 2 BlueBird satellite (3.5x larger than Block 1) is scheduled to launch in July 2025; the company expects it to be a fully operational satellite, not just a test pathfinder, and is targeting 40 Block 2 satellites manufactured this year and roughly 53 satellites' worth of phased arrays by year-end.
  • AST raised its estimated average capital cost per Block 2 BlueBird satellite (materials plus launch, for a 90+ satellite constellation) to $21-23 million, up from a prior $19-21 million estimate, due to higher launch costs from the accelerated near-term launch schedule and higher direct-material costs from recently announced tariffs.
  • The custom AST5000 ASIC chip is expected to be available for satellite integration as early as June 2025, with the first satellites carrying it arriving roughly 2 launches after the upcoming July launch; earlier satellites use FPGAs.
  • AST issued its first-ever formal revenue guidance: $50-75 million for full-year 2025, weighted to the second half, dependent on government-contract milestones, gateway equipment sales to MNO partners, and initial commercial service activation revenue.
  • The company ended Q1 2025 with $874.5 million in cash (up from $567.5 million at the end of Q4 2024), driven by ~$403 million from the January 2025 convertible notes offering and ~$55 million from the remaining 2024 ATM facility, and announced a new ATM equity facility for up to $500 million over the next 3 years.
  • Manufacturing cadence targets remain 6 fully integrated satellites per month by Q4 2025, with an equivalent cadence for micron and phased-array production reached in Q3 2025; the company is also building out roughly half a million square feet of manufacturing space including new Barcelona and Florida facilities (though final integration/testing stays in Texas).
  • AST's Ligado L-band spectrum transaction (definitive agreements signed late March 2025 for ~45 MHz of lower mid-band spectrum) remains on schedule for regulatory approval, with AST structuring financing collateralized specifically by the acquired spectrum usage rights rather than general corporate credit.
  • AST's government business now spans 6 contract awards to date, including the previously announced $43 million Space Development Agency contract and a newly disclosed Defense Innovation Unit (DIU) contract expected to generate low tens of millions of dollars over the next 12-18 months (with a roughly $20 million ceiling); the DIU itself recently received $2 billion in additional government funding.
  • The company plans to begin beta commercial service (voice, text, data, email, internet, video calling) by the end of 2025, with full open commercial service targeted for early 2026, starting with activation of all 5,600 U.S. cells beginning in June/July 2025.
  • Management said it is prioritizing non-dilutive financing sources (Ex-Im Bank, IFC, MNO/government prepayments, an equipment loan facility under evaluation) over the ATM to fund the buildout toward 60-90+ satellites, noting the January 2025 convertible raise already funds the company through 25 satellites (the threshold for non-continuous commercial service).
  • Gateway equipment bookings were $13.6 million in Q1 2025, with management guiding to roughly $10 million per quarter on average through 2025; gateways carry low but positive margin rather than being a loss leader.

Detailed Discussion11 topics

Launch Schedule and Satellite Deployment Plan

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:56

    Unveiled the company's orbital launch plan: 5 scheduled launches over the next 6 to 9 months, with orbital launches occurring every 1 to 2 months on average during 2025 and 2026, expecting to deploy over 60 satellites during that period to drive continuous coverage in the US, Europe, Japan, and for the US government.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:56

    The launch campaign begins with the first Block 2 BlueBird satellite achieved in Q2, with the launch scheduled during July.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:31:34

    The upcoming July launch is in India, and for reasons beyond the company's control shareholders won't be able to be invited to attend that launch, unlike the September Cape Canaveral event that drew over 1,000 shareholder attendees; future Cape launches will again include shareholder invitations given the roughly every-1-to-2-month cadence going forward.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 01:06:16

    The first of the upcoming 5 launches will carry only 1 satellite; some early launches will have fewer than full vehicle capacity, but the company wants to have roughly 20 satellites up as soon as possible and is overproducing at the factory to ensure it isn't the bottleneck versus available launch vehicles.

  • Brian Kraft (Deutsche Bank) Untagged 01:03:10

    Asked how many satellites the first 5 launches this year will actually include and whether that involves a mix of launch providers or mostly one provider.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 01:07:32

    Depending on the vehicle, launch capacity is roughly 3 to 4 satellites per smaller vehicle or up to 8 satellites on larger vehicles; because these are the largest-ever commercial communications satellites, the first launch will typically be a single-satellite launch given the specific vehicle used.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 01:06:16

    AST's strategy has been multi-operator and launch-vehicle-agnostic all along; the timing is somewhat dynamic so firm per-launch satellite counts can't all be committed, but the company will provide updates launch by launch, quarter by quarter.

Satellite Manufacturing and ASIC Progress

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:56

    Manufacturing remains on track and is accelerating toward a target of building 40 Block 2 BlueBird satellites this year, each the largest-ever commercial communications satellite in low Earth orbit, alongside contracted orbital launch capacity for 60 satellites as of today.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:56

    AST is on track to reach a manufacturing cadence of 6 satellites per month during Q4 2025, and expects to reach an equivalent cadence for micron and phased-array production during Q3 2025, enabled by a 95% vertically integrated manufacturing strategy.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:47:56

    Confirmed the company's message on the 6-satellites-per-month cadence is consistent with last quarter's guidance of 'second half of 2025,' just now made more precise as specifically Q4 2025.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:56

    The novel ASIC chip is currently in assembly and testing, with validation/qualification stages nearing completion; the chip is expected to be available for satellite integration as early as June 2025.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:56

    The custom ASIC will support up to 10 GHz of processing bandwidth per satellite (10x the current FPGAs), with peak data speeds up to 120 Mbps and support for many thousands of cells per satellite.

  • Mike Crawford (B Riley Securities) Untagged 00:42:57

    Asked which batch of satellites, out of the next 4 launching after the upcoming India launch, will be the first to include the custom ASIC.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:43:17

    The ASIC will be integrated approximately 2 launches after the next (July) launch, as final integration into the satellite build is still being completed; the first production batches use FPGAs.

  • Chris Quilty (Quilty Space) Untagged 01:08:24

    Asked whether the upcoming Block 2 BlueBird launch is a fully operational production satellite or more of a pathfinder testing the unfurling mechanism and other aspects to be fed into later production.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 01:08:55

    The Block 2 satellite is a full-blown operational satellite coming off the production line, using the same micron building blocks as Block 1 (just 3.5x larger); the company is producing 40 satellites this year and expects to have roughly 53 satellites' worth of phased arrays completed by year-end.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:52:01

    AST's manufacturing footprint is approaching half a million square feet including new Barcelona and Florida facilities; Barcelona builds certain high-reliability parts for the central unit, but final spacecraft integration and testing all happens in Texas, where the company remains 95% vertically integrated.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:51:01

    At a pace of 6 satellites per month (72 per year), AST's basic constellation design is 96 satellites supporting low-band spectrum and 96 satellites supporting mid-band spectrum, with the mid-band/MSS/3GPP spectrum support for the Ligado band already built into the current ASIC and core satellite design.

Commercial Activation, Beta Testing, and MNO Partnerships

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:01:56

    Longtime partner Rakuten Mobile completed a 2-way broadband video call in front of a live audience using unmodified smartphones over Japan via Block 1 satellites, following similar successful video calls with AT&T, Verizon, and Vodafone in the US and Europe.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:56

    AST plans to activate initial cellular broadband capabilities in the US, Europe, and Japan on premium low-band spectrum together with AT&T, Google, Rakuten, Verizon, and Vodafone.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:01:56

    AST received special temporary authority from the FCC for FirstNet direct-to-device satellite connectivity on public-safety Band 14 spectrum, relevant to FirstNet's 7 million-plus public safety connections.

  • Chris Skoll (UBS) Untagged 00:44:13

    Asked for an update on the beta tests with carrier partners flagged last quarter and any early learnings, and asked why the 6-satellites-per-month manufacturing cadence is now tied to Q4 versus the timeline given last quarter.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:44:35

    Activation has already started in the US, Europe, and Japan, with Rakuten, Vodafone, AT&T, and Verizon all announcing initial video-call usage (the most demanding broadband application); the company will begin lighting up all 5,600 US cells starting in June/July through a beta phase.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:44:35

    The planned beta service will resemble the final full-constellation service as closely as possible (intermittent, since fewer satellites are up) and will offer voice, text, data, email, internet, FaceTime-style video calling; beta is targeted to start this year, consistent with prior guidance.

  • Tim O'Hara (Oppenheimer & Company) Untagged 00:55:00

    Asked for an update on timing for a commercial launch in the United States, whether a wholesale economics agreement has been worked out with US carriers, and whether that commercial launch will include the full suite of services.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:55:20

    AST has a definitive commercial agreement with AT&T and is working on commercial agreement details with Verizon; the plan is for beta service by the end of this year and a fully open commercial consumer service in early 2026, covering text, internet data, and access to applications like video conferencing.

  • Tim O'Hara (Oppenheimer & Company) Untagged 00:56:09

    Asked why AST needs the Ligado spectrum if it's already doing spectrum sharing with MNOs in areas where they aren't using their spectrum, and how much spectrum it expects to get from partners.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:58:50

    AST doesn't only serve areas with zero terrestrial coverage — it also fills in where terrestrial service isn't good enough for a full 5G experience, which requires substantial added capacity; low-band spectrum has inherent allocation limits, so the additional ~45 MHz mid-band spectrum lets the network keep adding subscriber capacity, mirroring how terrestrial operators historically start in low-band and add higher bands as usage grows.

  • Mike Crawford (B Riley Securities) Untagged 00:41:21

    Asked whether the bifurcated strategy of sharing low-band spectrum with MNO partners while separately owning cell-band spectrum from Ligado changes how future or current MNO agreements are structured, e.g., toward more bespoke deals.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:41:54

    Not really — the focus remains the consumer's user experience; combining both spectrum types is simply a technical way to enable more simultaneous users at higher data rates as part of one unified network.

  • Scott Searle (Roth Capital) Untagged 00:58:59

    Asked how L-band device support within existing North American cell phones is progressing, and how long after closing the Ligado transaction before a large base of US users would have L-band-capable phones.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:59:22

    L-band is already supported in the Android ecosystem as part of the 3GPP standard; with support from AT&T, Verizon, Vodafone, and roughly 50 global operators, AST anticipates 1 to 2 phone-model iterations before the band is broadly available across new phones, which is why the deployment strategy starts with low-band (already in every phone) and adds L-band later in the rollout.

Government and Defense Business

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:01:56

    AST continues ramping activity against its $43 million Space Development Agency contract, and separately signed a new contract award with another government agency through a prime contractor to support communications over land, sea, and air.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:28:23

    AST now has 6 government contract awards to date; the new Defense Innovation Unit (DIU) contract, announced today, is a communications-use-case award (distinct from the SDA's non-communications use case) expected to yield low tens of millions of dollars of revenue over the next 12 to 18 months.

  • Matt from Massachusetts (shareholder) Untagged 00:29:54

    Asked whether AST plans to submit proposals for the announced $25 billion Golden Dome missile-defense project.

  • Abel Avellan Speculation 00:30:01

    AST believes it is well positioned to contribute to Golden Dome's goals given the size and power of its satellites, which it considers unique and differentiated versus what industry or adversaries can field.

  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:30:52

    The $25 billion figure is a reference to what cleared the House Armed Services Committee recently and will go to a full House vote as part of budget reconciliation (a 50-vote Senate process); it is separate from the regular fiscal year 2026 budget and represents a pre-funding mechanism for Golden Dome.

  • Colin Canfield (Cantor Fitzgerald) Untagged 01:13:40

    Asked whether the DIU contract figure represents a fraction of a larger contract or the ceiling value, and about conversations with primes like Lockheed (which has former American Tower executives leading the company).

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 01:14:02

    The DIU recently received $2 billion of additional funding and is a place where the government looks to support new technology quickly across a broad base of agencies; the low-tens-of-millions guidance included a roughly $20 million ceiling, though such initial contract figures can be somewhat artificial as they're often a starting point for expanding use cases.

  • Scott Searle (Roth Capital) Untagged 01:00:33

    Asked how AST views the gives-and-takes in government budget dynamics (continuing resolution, FY2026 discretionary budget, FEMA funding pressure) versus opportunities like PLEO or FirstNet/Band 14, and whether AST still feels comfortable about its government opportunity position.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 01:01:17

    The US government is already using AST's satellites today, which makes the value of the capability very clear to them and has resulted in 6 ongoing government programs; AST sees a strong opportunity to participate in Golden Dome given the government is already using its satellites for applications relevant to that program.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 01:02:07

    AST has been building small contracts over recent quarters through broad-based dialogue; the DIU is one clear example of an area receiving a large incremental funding increase, so on net the puts (funding increases) outweigh the takes (funding pressure elsewhere).

Q1 2025 Financial Results and Cost-Per-Satellite Guidance

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  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:14:28

    Q1 2025 non-GAAP adjusted cash operating expenses were $44.9 million versus $40.8 million in Q4 2024, a $4.1 million increase driven by $1.8 million in higher R&D costs, $1.7 million in higher adjusted G&A, and $0.6 million in higher adjusted engineering service costs — in line with prior guidance.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:14:28

    Q1 2025 capital expenditures were approximately $124 million (versus $86 million in Q4 2024), made up of about $105 million of capitalized direct materials/labor for Block 2 BlueBirds plus launch contract payments, with the remainder for facilities and production equipment; this came in slightly below the prior guidance of $150-175 million due to timing shifts of certain launch payments into later 2025 quarters.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:14:28

    Guided Q2 2025 adjusted cash operating expenses to approximately $45 million (similar to Q1) and Q2 2025 capital expenditures to increase significantly, to a range of $230-270 million, primarily reflecting the timing of payments on multiple launch contracts.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:14:28

    Revised the average capital cost per Block 2 BlueBird satellite (direct materials plus launch, for a constellation of over 90 satellites) to a range of $21-23 million, up from the prior $19-21 million estimate, driven by higher launch costs tied to the announced near-term launch schedule and higher direct-materials costs from recently announced tariffs; the estimate remains subject to fluctuation with geopolitical factors.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:14:28

    AST reiterated its belief that operating a constellation of 25 BlueBird satellites can potentially generate positive cash flow from operating activities, despite the increased per-satellite cost estimate.

  • Colin Canfield (Cantor Fitzgerald) Untagged 00:35:27

    Asked about the nature of the higher launch costs (e.g., fairing configuration) and how AST thinks about passing costs through to launch suppliers via liquidated damages.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:35:48

    The cost increase reflects paying somewhat more to pull launch timing forward at a time when launch capacity was harder to secure, in order to get service to market as fast as possible; on materials, some raw materials sourced from abroad are affected by tariffs.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:36:43

    The tariff situation is dynamic and volatile with geopolitical news; the company continues to look at optimizing payload and future launch optionality, and views the modest cost increase (roughly $20 million midpoint to $22 million midpoint) as mitigated by the value of bringing the service to market quickly.

Revenue Guidance

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  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:14:28

    AST issued its first formal revenue guidance: a 2025 revenue opportunity in the range of $50 to $75 million, back-end loaded in the second half of the year, contingent on (1) successful launch/deployment of Block 2 BlueBird satellites tied to US government application milestones, (2) gateway equipment sales to MNO partners, and (3) service revenues from activation of commercial service on currently operational (6 in orbit) and newly deployed satellites; no assurance was given that these objectives will be achieved.

  • Chris Quilty (Quilty Space) Untagged 01:10:07

    Asked how much of the $50-75 million second-half 2025 revenue guidance is actual service-type revenue versus contractual/milestone payments.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 01:10:29

    A big contributor is the government business, including the milestone-based $43 million SDA contract tied to work on the 5 Block 1 satellites and the first Block 2 satellite, plus other government revenue; on the commercial side there's expected to be gateway installation revenue and some initial service activations.

Capital, Financing, and Balance Sheet

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  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:14:28

    Ended Q1 2025 with $874.5 million in cash, up from $567.5 million at the end of Q4 2024, driven primarily by approximately $403 million from the late-January 2025 convertible notes offering and approximately $55 million from the remaining amount under the September 2024 ATM facility, which is now fully utilized.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:14:28

    Established a new incremental 2025 ATM facility for up to $500 million over the next 3 years to help fund the company's operational plans, to be used in a disciplined, opportunistic fashion.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:14:28

    AST is evaluating a path to an equipment loan facility of between $50 to $100 million as a form of non-dilutive funding to support manufacturing expansion, with more details to come as conversations progress.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:14:28

    The company recently completed initial clearances for non-dilutive funding from quasi-governmental sources, commencing an approximately 6-to-9-month diligence and documentation phase for over half a billion dollars in potential non-dilutive capital from multiple US and international agencies.

  • Chris Skoll (UBS) Untagged 00:46:55

    Asked, given multiple moving pieces, for help sizing the capital needed to fund the 2026 launch of 60 satellites and how the company evaluates funding sources such as the ATM versus quasi-government progress.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:47:14

    The focus is on non-dilutive capital — citing the newly issued $50-75 million second-half 2025 revenue guidance, advancement of non-dilutive financing from sources like IFC and the Ex-Im Bank, and various government/MNO contract and infrastructure prepayments as the priority funding sources.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:47:59

    The ATM gives flexibility but is not the priority; the January 2025 convertible raise already funds the company through 25 satellites (the threshold for non-continuous service in major markets), and for the 60+ and 90+ satellite constellation tiers, the company is weighing equity, debt programs like Ex-Im Bank financing, and manufacturing-equipment financing, while prioritizing partner prepayments and keeping the balance sheet strong given a volatile macro climate.

Ligado L-Band Spectrum Transaction

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  • Scott from Indiana (shareholder) Untagged 00:26:49

    Asked for further details on the Ligado transaction.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:26:56

    The Ligado transaction is for AST to acquire usage rights for 45 MHz of mid-band spectrum in the US; definitive agreements were signed toward the end of Q1 (late March), and the approval process is on schedule with more detail expected in coming weeks. AST is structuring financing collateralized specifically by the acquired spectrum usage rights, which will create a modest G&A impact in subsequent quarters via a separate financing package.

  • Colin Canfield (Cantor Fitzgerald) Untagged 00:38:04

    Asked how AST thinks about EchoStar's spectrum portfolio and where the most value could be unlocked across RF bands, plus FCC spectrum-sharing commentary and interference/pricing-recovery dynamics with other players.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:38:37

    Described spectrum as the 'fuel' for the business, split into two phases: low-band spectrum shared with operator partners (AT&T, Verizon, Vodafone, Rakuten, etc.) for fastest go-to-market and best penetration, plus AST's own ~45 MHz mid-band acquisition (Ligado) which, combined with the satellites' size, will enable 120 Mbps per cell and support thousands of cells per satellite; on conclusion of the Ligado transaction, AST would hold one of the largest blocks of sub-6GHz spectrum in the US.

  • Caleb Henry (Quilty Space) Untagged 00:50:36

    Asked whether implementing the new (Ligado/mid-band) spectrum would require a satellite modification such as an over-the-air software load, and how AST plans to introduce it.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:51:01

    Support for the MSS, L-band, and 3GPP mid-band spectrum is already built into AST's current ASICs and core technology design, so no separate modification approach is needed beyond the existing design (96 low-band + 96 mid-band satellites at a 6-per-month/72-per-year pace).

Gateways and Ground Infrastructure

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  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:10:13

    Q1 2025 gateway equipment bookings were $13.6 million, with continued bookings of approximately $10 million on average per quarter expected during 2025; gateway revenue is recognized as and when gateways are installed and milestones are met.

  • Caleb Henry (Quilty Space) Untagged 00:53:17

    Asked how many gateways AST will have installed by year-end and how that scales alongside constellation buildout, including whether there's a set ratio of gateways to satellites.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:53:17

    Because AST's satellites are the largest ever in LEO with a large field of view, fewer gateways are needed than typical constellations — roughly 4 or more applied for in the US, 1 or 2 in most other countries (with a shared continental solution in Europe); no firm year-end gateway count target was given, but US, Europe, and Japan remain the priority markets for faster gateway deployment.

  • Chris Quilty (Quilty Space) Untagged 01:11:22

    Asked whether the ~$10 million/quarter gateway guidance should be expected to accelerate, and whether gateways should be modeled as a loss leader rather than a profit center.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 01:13:00

    Gateways are an enabler; US gateways are largely ready for operations, the Vodafone JV in Europe is handling initial activations (e.g., in the UK) as shared infrastructure, and Japan is partially activated. In perspective, the US uses 4 gateways, Brazil uses 3, and smaller European countries share infrastructure.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 01:13:26

    Gateways carry a low margin but are not a loss leader, and there's potential upside to the guidance, though bookings can be lumpy quarter to quarter.

Competitive Positioning

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  • Brian Kraft (Deutsche Bank) Untagged 01:03:10

    Asked about AST's view of its competitive moat given market concern about competitors potentially fielding a much larger fleet of smaller satellites.

  • Abel Avellan Speculation 01:04:06

    Argued that competing systems have only proven text messaging capability, whereas AST offers text, voice, data, internet, and video; smaller satellites face physics limitations plus practical problems (revisit time, handovers, phone-to-satellite connectivity) that limit their capability, while AST's broadband capability is dual-use (serving both governments and the majority of global MNOs) with access to billions of subscribers via existing operator agreements, contingent on building sufficient network capacity.

Shareholder Q&A — Other Topics

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  • Aurelio from Portugal (shareholder) Untagged 00:32:59

    Described the April 28, 2025 Spain/Portugal power outage that halted transport, grounded planes, and cut most communications for about 10 hours, and asked about AST's short-term plans for Europe.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:32:59

    Noted the company watched the Iberian outage with interest as an example of the emergency/infrastructure-failure use case AST's service is designed for; in Europe, the Vodafone joint venture will exclusively distribute AST's service and share ground infrastructure across the continent to support both everyday connectivity and emergency response.

Watch Items11

  • First Block 2 BlueBird satellite launch

    July 2025, in India Abel Avellan / Scott Wisniewski 00:01:56
  • 5 orbital launches deploying 60+ satellites

    Over the next 6-9 months, roughly every 1-2 months through 2025-2026 Abel Avellan 00:01:56
  • Custom AST5000 ASIC chip available for satellite integration

    As early as June 2025 Abel Avellan 00:01:56
  • Manufacturing cadence of 6 satellites per month

    Q4 2025 Abel Avellan / Andy Johnson 00:01:56
  • Micron/phased-array production reaching equivalent cadence

    Q3 2025 Abel Avellan 00:01:56
  • Beta commercial service launch (voice, text, data, email, internet, video)

    By end of 2025 Abel Avellan 00:44:35
  • Full open commercial service for consumers

    Early 2026 Abel Avellan 00:55:20
  • 2025 revenue ramp of $50-75 million

    Back-half loaded in 2025 Andy Johnson 00:14:28
  • Q2 2025 capital expenditures

    Guided to $230-270 million in Q2 2025 Andy Johnson 00:14:28
  • Ligado L-band spectrum transaction regulatory approval

    Update expected in 'coming weeks' from the May 12, 2025 call Andy Johnson 00:26:56
  • Golden Dome $25 billion reconciliation funding vote

    Pending full House vote, then Senate reconciliation (50-vote threshold) Scott Wisniewski 00:30:52

Open Questions4

  • How much total capital will AST need to raise to fund the 2026 launch of 60+ (and eventually 90+) satellites, and in what mix across ATM, debt, and non-dilutive sources?

    Chris Skoll (UBS) 00:46:55
  • Whether the DIU contract's low-tens-of-millions/roughly $20 million figure represents a ceiling or just an initial tranche of a potentially larger contract relationship.

    Colin Canfield (Cantor Fitzgerald) 01:13:40
  • How many ground gateways AST will actually have installed by the end of 2025 as the constellation and commercial rollout scale.

    Caleb Henry (Quilty Space) 00:53:17
  • Whether tariff-driven cost increases on satellite materials will continue to escalate given their described dependence on volatile geopolitical conditions.

    Andy Johnson 00:36:43
2025-03-04 54:45

AST SpaceMobile Q4 2024 Earnings Call

Abel Avellan · Scott Wisniewski · Andy Johnson · Griffin Boss · Chris Scholl · Brian Graff · Colin Canfield

This episode is a straight rebroadcast of AST SpaceMobile's official Q4 2024 / full-year 2024 business update (earnings) call, with no SpaceMob podcast hosts present. The speakers are company executives Abel Avellan (Chairman/CEO), Scott Wisniewski (President), and Andy Johnson (CFO), plus sell-side analysts in the Q&A.

The company detailed the January 2025 $460 million (Abel initially states $450 million) convertible notes raise that pushed cash to roughly $1 billion. It also laid out an accelerated Block 2 BlueBird manufacturing plan, with 40 satellites in production and components for 50+.

The call also covered a binding deal for up to 45 MHz of Ligado L-band spectrum, a new $43 million Space Development Agency contract, and the Vodafone European 'SatCo' joint venture.

Management reiterated it expects to reach free-cash-flow-positive operations (on an operating basis) at around 25 satellites in orbit, and targets a production rate of 6 satellites per month in the second half of 2025. It ended Q4 2024 with $567.5 million in cash while guiding Q1 2025 capex to $150-175 million.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile ended Q4 2024 with $567.5 million in cash, up from $518.9 million at the end of Q3 2024, with roughly $66 million still available on its at-the-market (ATM) equity facility.
  • In January 2025 (after the Q4 period), AST closed a convertible senior notes offering that Abel Avellan described as $450 million and Andy Johnson described as $460 million, with a capped call raising the effective conversion price to $44.98/share and limiting dilution to roughly 3%; AT&T, Google, Verizon, and Vodafone converted their prior notes into Class A shares as part of the transaction.
  • The company is accelerating manufacturing: 40 Block 2 BlueBird satellites are in production, with components/materials (microns and phased arrays) procured for 53 total; management targets a production rate of about 6 satellites per month in the second half of 2025.
  • AST has signed a binding agreement for long-term access to up to 45 MHz of lower mid-band (Ligado L-band) spectrum in the US, which it says is the largest available block of high-quality nationwide spectrum, to complement its existing 850 MHz low-band access via AT&T.
  • AST won a new $43 million contract with the U.S. Space Development Agency (its 5th U.S. government contract, 3rd with SDA) for non-communications applications, to be recognized roughly linearly as revenue over about the next 12 months using its five Block 1 satellites and its first Block 2 satellite.
  • Management reiterated that the company expects to be free-cash-flow-positive on an operating basis at around 25 satellites in orbit, combining government non-communications revenue, commercial communications revenue, and gateway/infrastructure revenue; full continuous US service is expected to need 45-60 satellites.
  • AST has fully contracted launch capacity for 60 satellites across 2025-2026 via SpaceX, Blue Origin, and ISRO, and expects to eventually use Blue Origin's New Glenn to launch up to 8 satellites per flight, moving toward roughly one New Glenn launch every 45 days later in the year.
  • Management maintained satellite cost guidance of $19-21 million per satellite, unchanged from prior guidance.
  • AST and Vodafone announced a new jointly-owned European entity ('SatCo') to exclusively distribute AST's satellite broadband service across Europe, expanding the addressable market from Vodafone's home markets (~10 countries) to essentially all of Europe (~600+ million total connections), alongside a new R&D/validation hub opening in Malaga, Spain.
  • The company guided Q1 2025 capital expenditures of $150-175 million (up from ~$86 million in Q4 2024) and non-GAAP adjusted cash operating expenses of $40-45 million (consistent with Q4 2024's $40.8 million).
  • AST is pursuing at least three quasi-governmental/development-institution financing sources targeting roughly $500 million, which management described as attractive, potentially delayed-draw/milestone-based, non-dilutive-style capital rather than money it says it strictly needs given its stated 25-satellite free-cash-flow breakeven claim.

Detailed Discussion11 topics

Financing: January 2025 convertible notes and balance sheet

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:02:00

    Abel stated the company completed a '$450 million convertible senior note offering,' resulting in nearly $1 billion in cash on the balance sheet, with a cap call transaction increasing the effective conversion price to approximately $45 per share and a 4.25% coupon; the covered cap call limits dilution to existing shareholders to approximately 3% at the effective conversion price.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:02:00

    As part of the convertible notes transaction, AT&T, Google, Verizon, and Vodafone converted their existing notes and became Class A common shareholders.

  • Andy Johnson Disagreement 00:17:00

    Andy described the same raise as a '7-year, $460 million convertible senior notes offering,' with a capped call increasing the effective conversion price by 100% to $44.98 per share, minimizing dilution to approximately 3%; the offering was more than 3 times oversubscribed. (Abel's $450 million figure and Andy's $460 million figure differ within the same call — flagged as an internal inconsistency rather than smoothed.)

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:17:00

    AST is pursuing non-dilutive financing from quasi-governmental sources, having passed milestones including 'transaction committee acceptance'; if successful, proceeds would fund cost-effective long-term debt for large projects, alongside continued exploration of domestic and global development-institution financing.

  • Brian Graff Untagged 00:44:19

    Brian Graff (Deutsche Bank) pushed on the apparent tension between the company's claim of free-cash-flow-positive operations at 25 satellites and its pursuit of roughly $500 million in quasi-government funding, asking whether that money is needed for operations, refinancing, or other purposes.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:44:45

    Scott said pursuing quasi-government funding has been a long-term part of AST's funding strategy and an attractive capital pocket to keep open; the company will 'assess cash needs when it becomes available' rather than committing to a specific use now.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:46:03

    Scott said AST is pursuing at least 3 quasi-government facilities, at least one with a delayed-draw/milestone-based structure; that type of thinking also factored into how the company financed its recent spectrum deal.

  • Chris Scholl Untagged 00:37:41

    Chris Scholl (UBS) asked, given 10-K language about having funding for the next 12 months via the ATM, how much additional capital AST thinks it needs to raise to fund launching all 60 satellites through 2026.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:38:01

    Andy said AST is well positioned to reach the first threshold of 25 satellites (which starts service) and well beyond, with a pro forma balance sheet of about $1 billion; the company will keep evaluating smart capital-raising opportunities but did not size a specific additional funding need.

Manufacturing acceleration and facilities

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:02:00

    Abel said the company is accelerating procurement to complete 40 fully integrated and assembled Block 2 BlueBird satellites, plus components/materials (microns and phased arrays) for more than 50 satellites total.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:02:00

    Abel described the manufacturing footprint as approximately 194,000 sq ft in Midland, Texas, 59,000 sq ft in Barcelona, Spain, and soon an additional 85,000 sq ft in Homestead, Florida.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:26:09

    Answering an investor question about hitting 6 BlueBirds/month, Abel said AST is manufacturing 40 satellites now and working long-lead items for all 53 microns, expecting a rate of 6/month by the second half of 2025; he cited the Barcelona facility here as 50,000 sq ft (versus 59,000 sq ft cited earlier in the same call — an internal inconsistency).

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:17:00

    Andy said Q4 2024 capex was approximately $86 million (about $77 million of capitalized direct materials/labor for Block 2 satellites plus facility/equipment expansion in Midland), versus $26.5 million in Q3 2024, and guided Q1 2025 capex to $150-175 million as production and the launch campaign ramp.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:48:52

    Andy reiterated AST is 'becoming a commercial enterprise' and building administrative/manufacturing capacity to support production optimized at about 6 satellites/month in the second half of the year, with investment flowing into Midland, Barcelona, and soon Southern Florida.

  • Brian Graff Untagged 00:43:18

    Brian Graff asked whether per-satellite cost guidance had changed from the previously stated $19-21 million range.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:43:25

    Abel confirmed cost-per-satellite guidance is unchanged, still in the $19-21 million range.

Satellite chip (ASIC) and technology

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:02:00

    Abel said AST completed bring-up and initial validation of its novel ASIC chip, supporting (as stated) 'up to 10,000 MHz, 10 GHz in processing bandwidth per satellite' with peak data speeds up to 120 Mbps; the ASIC is expected in Block 2 BlueBirds later in 2025. (The '10,000 MHz'/'10 GHz' phrasing recurs inconsistently across the call, possibly conflating spectrum and processing-bandwidth figures.)

  • Colin Canfield Untagged 00:46:56

    Colin Canfield (Cantor) asked about the chipset engineering team's structure and its interface with handset OEMs and partners like Vodafone and Google.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:47:15

    Abel clarified the ASIC is required only on AST's satellites, not handsets — AST's system works on unmodified phones. Satellites launched using FPGAs initially; the company is now packaging the ASIC for incorporation in the second half of 2025, describing it as ~10 GHz processing capacity, one of the most advanced nodes in space.

Spectrum: Ligado L-band agreement

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:08:24

    Abel said AST signed an agreement for long-term access to up to 45 MHz of lower mid-band spectrum in the US for direct-to-device applications — the largest available block of high-quality nationwide spectrum in the US — complementing existing low-band 850 MHz access via AT&T.

  • Colin Canfield Untagged 00:53:20

    Colin Canfield asked for the latest on the Ligado deal's expected closing, referencing court filings and bankruptcy proceedings.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:53:35

    Andy said the Ligado deal is tracking nicely and within the parties' timeframe, though work remains and bankruptcy proceedings need to play out; he called it a strategic initiative with good progress.

Regulatory: FCC approvals and licensing

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:08:24

    Abel said AST recently received Special Temporary Authority (STA) approval from the FCC to commence testing service with AT&T and Verizon, without requiring specialized software/device support on unmodified smartphones, and anticipates additional FCC rulings soon.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:30:05

    Answering a question on remaining risks to full FCC commercial-constellation authorization, Scott said AST is in the final stages of a commercial modification of its existing license, to be followed by a beta service for scale testing and then a paid service.

Launch campaign and cadence

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:02:00

    Abel said AST exercised its option for more launches and now has fully contracted launch capacity for approximately 60 satellites during 2025-2026, supporting continuous service in the US, Europe, Japan, and select other markets.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:28:34

    Answering whether AST would expand beyond SpaceX/Blue Origin/ISRO, Scott said BlueBirds are launch-vehicle agnostic and stackable/configurable across major vehicles; the three suppliers were chosen after a market deep dive, and more providers would be considered if capacity beyond the 60-satellite target is needed.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:42:29

    Abel said Blue Origin's New Glenn can launch up to 8 satellites per flight, roughly doubling Falcon 9 cadence, and AST expects to move to a New Glenn cadence of about one launch every 45 days later in the year.

  • Brian Graff Untagged 00:39:01

    Brian Graff asked whether AST is still on track for an April launch of its next satellite and for rough 2025-vs-2026 launch pacing within the up-to-60-satellite plan.

Path to free cash flow at 25 satellites

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:40:13

    Abel said combining non-communications government applications with commercial communications revenue enables per-satellite monetization, reiterating AST expects to be cash-flow positive at around 25 satellites, combining non-communications applications with gateway/infrastructure revenue.

  • Brian Graff Untagged 00:43:34

    Brian Graff followed up to confirm whether the 25-satellite free-cash-flow target still held given the accelerated buildout.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:43:46

    Andy confirmed the 25-satellite target holds on an operating basis — capex will flex, but on an operating basis 25 satellites generates sufficient opportunities for free cash flow.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:40:13

    Abel said AST entered the year with about $1 billion in cash, is scaling to 6 satellites/month (~72/year), and needs 45-60 satellites for continuous US service, funding buildout increasingly via revenue rather than equity.

Q4 2024 / full-year 2024 financial results

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  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:17:00

    Andy reported Q4 2024 non-GAAP adjusted cash opex of $40.8 million vs. $45.3 million in Q3 2024, driven by a $9.3 million R&D cost reduction (completed ASIC work), partly offset by a $4.2 million rise in engineering services costs and $0.6 million in G&A.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:17:00

    Full-year 2024 non-GAAP adjusted cash opex totaled $151.8 million vs. $154.6 million for full-year 2023.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:17:00

    Q4 2024 capex was approximately $86 million vs. $26.5 million in Q3 2024 (~$77 million capitalized materials/labor for Block 2 satellites plus the expanded ~194,000 sq ft Midland facility), slightly under prior ~$100M guidance due to a payment shifting into January.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:17:00

    AST ended Q4 2024 with $567.5 million in cash, up from $518.9 million at end of Q3 2024, via disciplined ATM use partly offset by repaying the prior senior credit facility; ~$66 million remains available on the ATM.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:17:00

    Andy guided Q1 2025 capex to $150-175 million and Q1 2025 adjusted cash opex to $40-45 million, consistent with Q4 2024 levels.

Government/defense: Space Development Agency contract

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:02:00

    Abel said AST secured a new $43 million SDA contract through a prime contractor — its 5th US government contract, 3rd with SDA — calling it just the beginning of what's expected with the US government.

  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:13:14

    Scott clarified the $43 million SDA contract follows successful BlueWalker 3 in-orbit testing under a prior contract announced February 2024; it is not prepaid, with revenue recognized alongside services from the 5 in-orbit satellites and the first Block 2 BlueBird, serving as evaluation for potential larger contracts.

  • Griffin Boss Untagged 00:33:27

    Griffin Boss (B. Riley Securities) asked whether the $43 million SDA contract is for non-communication applications, requesting more color (e.g., missile tracking, remote sensing).

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:34:11

    Scott confirmed the capability is non-communications, consistent with AST's operating frequencies, but declined to define it further; the $43 million is expected to be earned over roughly the next 12 months off the 5 commercial satellites and the first Block 2 satellite.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:35:34

    Scott said SDA contract revenue recognition should generally be modeled as linear over ~12 months, with a possible slight lag in the first couple of months.

  • Colin Canfield Untagged 00:51:05

    Colin Canfield asked about revenue-recognition type (cost-plus vs. fee/service-based) expected on contracts like the $43 million SDA award, and how AST is structured to win such contracts.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:51:50

    Scott said the SDA contract's rev-rec is milestone-based given it's technology evaluation; AST prefers firm-fixed-price (not cost-plus) and tends toward the service side rather than hardware sales given its dual-use architecture, while remaining flexible on structure.

Commercial: MNO partnerships and Vodafone SatCo joint venture

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:02:00

    Abel said AST has agreements with approximately 50 mobile network operators globally, representing nearly 3 billion existing subscribers; initial service is planned with AT&T and Verizon (US), Vodafone (UK and Turkey), and Rakuten (Japan).

  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:13:14

    Scott said in December AST finalized a definitive long-term agreement with Vodafone through 2034 covering home markets and partner-markets, and the day before the call announced a further agreement forming a jointly-owned entity ('SatCo') to exclusively distribute AST's service across all of Europe, plus a new R&D hub in Malaga, Spain.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:13:14

    Scott said the first half of 2025 should show gateway sales/bookings bringing in cash and revenue, serving as a leading indicator of which markets see initial service revenue.

  • Griffin Boss Untagged 00:31:25

    Griffin Boss asked how many incremental MNO subscribers the new European SatCo JV could open up beyond the ~3 billion already covered.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:32:00

    Scott said total European connections across all countries are about 600+ million, versus previously only Vodafone's pan-home markets; SatCo extends coverage from ~10 countries to roughly 3x that, adding significant new countries and operator potential, and supports a Europe-based operator regulators and MNOs can trust.

Competitive positioning vs. T-Mobile/Starlink Direct to Cell

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  • Chris Scholl Untagged 00:35:58

    Chris Scholl (UBS) asked how AST's technology differs from T-Mobile/Starlink's recently launched direct-to-cell beta messaging service, and whether Starlink's pricing influences AST's own pricing strategy for its planned full voice/broadband product.

  • Abel Avellan Speculation 00:36:23

    Abel said Starlink's pricing reflects an 'intermittent' messaging service, whereas AST offers voice, text, data, internet, and video — everything normally done on a phone — via (as stated) roughly 10,000 MHz/10 GHz of spectrum per satellite and 120 Mbps directly to unmodified phones using premium 850 MHz spectrum, a differentiated package for partner operators.

Watch Items10

  • Q1 2025 capital expenditures

    Guided to $150-175 million for Q1 2025 Andy Johnson 00:17:00
  • Q1 2025 adjusted cash operating expenses

    Guided to $40-45 million for Q1 2025 Andy Johnson 00:17:00
  • Production rate ramp to 6 satellites/month

    Targeted for the second half of 2025 Abel Avellan 00:26:09
  • Gateway sales/bookings bringing in cash and revenue

    Expected during the first half of 2025 Scott Wisniewski 00:13:14
  • New Glenn launch cadence increasing to about one launch every 45 days

    Expected later in the year (2025) Abel Avellan 00:42:34
  • Beta service launch followed by paid commercial service

    Beta to follow FCC commercial license modification (final stages as of the call); paid service to follow beta Scott Wisniewski 00:30:05
  • FCC commercial license modification approval

    Described as 'in the final stages' at the time of the call Scott Wisniewski 00:30:05
  • Ligado spectrum deal closing

    Tracking within the parties' agreed timeframe, pending Ligado's bankruptcy proceedings playing out Andy Johnson 00:53:35
  • $43 million SDA contract revenue recognition

    Expected roughly linearly over ~12 months, possible slight lag in first couple months Scott Wisniewski 00:35:34
  • Next satellite launch

    Analyst asked whether an April launch is still on track; not explicitly confirmed in the response given Brian Graff 00:39:01

Open Questions4

  • Is AST still on track for an April 2025 launch of its next satellite, and what is the expected 2025-vs-2026 split of the up-to-60-satellite launch plan? (Raised but not directly confirmed in management's response.)

    Brian Graff 00:39:01
  • How much of the roughly $500 million in quasi-governmental funding AST is pursuing will actually be needed, given management's claim of free-cash-flow-positive operations at ~25 satellites?

    Brian Graff 00:44:19
  • How much additional capital, beyond the current ~$1 billion pro forma balance sheet, will AST need to raise to fund launching all 60 satellites through 2026?

    Chris Scholl 00:37:41
  • What is the actual size of the convertible notes offering, given Abel Avellan cited $450 million and Andy Johnson cited $460 million within the same call?

    Unknown 00:17:00
2024-11-14 41:22

AST SpaceMobile Q3 2024 Earnings Call

Abel Avellan · Scott Wisniewski · Andrew Johnson · Mike Crawford (B. Riley Securities, analyst) · Chris Scholl (UBS, analyst) · Chris Quilty (Quilty Space, analyst) · Brian Kraft (Deutsche Bank, analyst) · Caleb Henry (Quilty Analytics, analyst)

This episode is a rebroadcast of AST SpaceMobile's official Q3 2024 earnings/business update call (published 2024-11-14), featuring CEO Abel Avellan, President Scott Wisniewski, and CFO Andrew Johnson ('Andy'). Neither of the podcast's usual hosts, Anpanman or Kook, appear.

The headline news is that AST ended Q3 2024 with $518.9 million in cash, up from $287.6 million in Q2. It also signed new multi-launch agreements with Blue Origin and SpaceX (plus ISRO) to launch up to approximately 60 Block 2 BlueBird satellites through 2025-2026.

AST filed for FCC Special Temporary Authority to begin beta commercial service on its first five Block 1 BlueBirds.

Management also disclosed a raised per-satellite cost estimate for Block 2 ($19-21M vs. prior $16-18M), initial validation of the AST5000 ASIC chip, and selection by the Space Development Agency as a prime contractor under the HALO program.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile's Q3 2024 earnings call (published Nov 14, 2024) was hosted by CEO Abel Avellan, President Scott Wisniewski, and CFO Andrew Johnson ('Andy'); it did not feature podcast hosts Anpanman or Kook.
  • The company ended Q3 2024 with $518.9 million in cash, up from $287.6 million at the end of Q2, driven by $153.3 million in net proceeds from public warrant exercises and $144.9 million raised via its ATM equity facility (including $106.9 million from a newly created $400 million ATM facility announced in early September 2024).
  • AST signed new launch service agreements with Blue Origin (New Glenn) and SpaceX, alongside a planned launch with ISRO, giving it secured/optioned launch capacity for up to approximately 60 Block 2 BlueBird satellites through 2025 and 2026 (45 satellites via firm agreements, with options for additional launch vehicles up to ~60).
  • AST raised its estimated average cost of direct materials and launch expense per Block 2 satellite to a range of $19-21 million, up from a prior estimate of $16-18 million, due to actual contracted launch costs.
  • The company filed for FCC Special Temporary Authority (STA) to begin beta commercial service across nearly all of the US on a non-continuous basis using its first five Block 1 BlueBird satellites, which are fully deployed and operating as expected.
  • AST's proprietary AST5000 ASIC chip achieved initial validation; ASIC-equipped Block 2 satellites are expected to offer roughly 10x the processing bandwidth of Block 1 satellites and are expected to begin launching between mid-2025 and Q3 2025, with the next launch still using the same FPGA configuration as Block 1.
  • AST SpaceMobile was selected by the U.S. Space Development Agency (SDA) to compete directly as a prime contractor under the HALO program, its fourth U.S. government contract award; the broader PLEO program budget was also expanded from $900 million to $13 billion.
  • Management estimates that a network of 45-60 satellites would support 'hundreds of millions' of potential subscribers across initial priority markets including the US, Europe, Japan, and the US government.
  • In late September 2024, AST triggered a prepayment obligation on its senior secured credit facility (established August 2023) after raising over $500 million in net equity proceeds, prepaying $48.5 million in principal plus accrued interest to reduce go-forward interest expense.
  • Guidance for Q4 2024: capital expenditures of approximately $100 million and adjusted cash operating expenses (excluding ASIC costs) in the range of $30-35 million, expected to trend toward the low end.

Detailed Discussion7 topics

Q3 2024 Financial Results

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  • Andrew Johnson Confirmed 00:09:47

    Q3 2024 non-GAAP adjusted cash operating expenses were $45.3 million versus $34.6 million in Q2 2024; excluding an estimated $10.1 million of ASIC-related expenses, adjusted operating expenses were approximately $35.2 million, at the top of prior guidance. Ex-ASIC opex rose only slightly quarter-over-quarter, mainly due to $1.7 million of one-time Block 1 launch-related costs (bonus payments and launch event costs).

  • Andrew Johnson Confirmed 00:09:47

    Capital expenditures for Q3 2024 were $26.5 million versus $21.2 million in Q2 2024, made up of capitalized direct materials/labor for BlueBird satellites and additional facility/production equipment for the 185,000-square-foot Midland, Texas assembly, integration, and test facility.

  • Andrew Johnson Confirmed 00:09:47

    AST ended Q3 2024 with $518.9 million in cash, up from $287.6 million at the end of Q2 2024, marking the first time cash balance exceeded $500 million. This included $153.3 million of net proceeds from public warrant exercises during the quarter and $144.9 million raised from ATM facilities in Q3, including $106.9 million from the newly created $400 million ATM facility announced in early September 2024.

  • Andrew Johnson Confirmed 00:09:47

    In late September 2024, having raised over $500 million in net equity proceeds, AST triggered a mandatory prepayment obligation under its senior secured credit facility (entered into in August 2023), prepaying $48.5 million of principal plus accrued interest and other expenses, significantly reducing go-forward interest expense.

  • Andrew Johnson Company Guidance 00:09:47

    Guidance for Q4 2024: capital expenditures expected around $100 million as satellite production and launch contract payments ramp; adjusted cash operating expenses (excluding remaining ASIC costs) expected in a range of $30-35 million, with an expectation of trending to the low end.

  • Andrew Johnson Company Guidance 00:09:47

    AST has filed a formal application for a long-term export credit agency debt financing package, intended to source cost-effective long-term debt to fund large projects; the company said this work is 'progressing nicely' and will provide updates as appropriate.

  • Andrew Johnson Company Guidance 00:09:47

    AST is prioritizing non-dilutive prepayments from MNO partners and other strategic capital sources over traditional credit financing going forward, though it will continue to consider options for future credit facilities.

Block 1 Satellite Launch and Performance

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:01:47

    AST launched and successfully deployed its first 5 commercial Block 1 BlueBird satellites into low Earth orbit; each carries the largest commercial phased-array antenna ever launched into LEO, and the satellites are now ready to become operational.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:47

    In the US, AST plans to deliver coverage via more than 5,600 cells on premium low-band spectrum, targeting close to 100% nationwide coverage on a non-continuous basis supported initially by the five in-orbit satellites.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:22:52

    The five Block 1 satellites are operating as expected and performing well; AST is preparing to 'light them up' for close-to-nationwide, non-continuous US coverage, and has filed a Special Temporary Authority (STA) request with the FCC to begin beta service for AT&T and Verizon.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:22:52

    Building the Micron base module for Block 1 (the core building block also used in Block 2) provided significant manufacturing learnings that carried directly into setting up Block 2 production lines; integration with partner core networks and fully autonomous satellite flight/broadcast operations (versus the largely manual operation of BlueWalker 3) were also key lessons learned.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:37:36

    The five Block 1 satellites (plus BlueWalker 3) are 8-meter by 8-meter, roughly 693-square-foot phased arrays; AST has already switched over to Block 2 production going forward.

Block 2 Production and New Launch Agreements

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:01:47

    AST secured additional launch capacity for up to 60 satellites via new launch service agreements with Blue Origin and SpaceX (announced today), plus a planned launch with ISRO out of India (previously used for BlueWalker 1), covering launches during 2025 and 2026 out of Cape Canaveral.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:47

    Blue Origin's New Glenn rocket offers a 7-meter fairing (double the payload volume of 5-meter-class systems) and can carry up to 8 of the largest Block 2 satellites per launch, roughly double the ~4 per Falcon 9 launch; New Glenn is planned to become operational this year (2024).

  • Andrew Johnson Confirmed 00:09:47

    The newly secured launch contracts enable launch of up to approximately 45 Block 2 BlueBird satellites, with options for additional launch vehicles extending to approximately 60 Block 2 satellites, through 2025 and 2026.

  • Andrew Johnson Company Guidance 00:09:47

    Average estimated cost of direct materials and launch expense per Block 2 satellite is now expected to be $19-21 million, up from a prior estimate of $16-18 million, due to actual recently-contracted launch costs.

  • Andrew Johnson Company Guidance 00:09:47

    Management believes operating a constellation of 25 Block 2 satellites could enable additional funding sources, potentially including free cash flow, to help fund buildout of the remaining constellation.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:29:28

    Expected launch cadence toward the 60-satellite target is roughly '1, 4, 4, 8, 8, 8' across the secured launch vehicles; New Glenn is designed to be reusable up to 25 times, with the first launch scheduled this year (2024).

  • Abel Avellan Speculation 00:29:06

    Asked about New Glenn's prior delays and backup plans, Abel expressed confidence based on having multiple launch providers (SpaceX, ISRO, Blue Origin) but did not detail a specific contingency plan if New Glenn slips further.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:40:05

    For the ISRO launch, AST expects to use the largest available ISRO rocket for the first launch, then shift focus to New Glenn, SpaceX, and other providers capable of launching its satellites.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:37:36

    The Block 2 satellite is a 2,400-square-foot phased array, roughly 3.5 times larger than the Block 1 array, and is what AST will launch going forward.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:26:21

    In Midland, Texas, AST has scaled up production capability for the Micron modules needed for Block 2 and has made the vast majority of the required investment; the same Micron technology used successfully in Block 1 will be used for the next several Block 2 launches.

AST5000 ASIC Chip

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:01:47

    AST achieved initial validation of its novel AST5000 ASIC chip, representing over 5 years of development, approximately 150 man-years of effort, and roughly $45 million in development costs; Block 2 BlueBirds powered by the ASIC are expected to support up to 10,000 MHz of processing bandwidth, a 10x improvement over Block 1.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:21:43

    The near-term focus is launching satellites with either the ASIC or the FPGA configuration to achieve coverage; the next launch will still use the FPGA configuration (same as Block 1), with ASIC-equipped satellites expected in subsequent launches later in 2025, roughly mid-2025 to Q3 2025.

Regulatory and FCC Progress

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  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:06:44

    AST filed a Special Temporary Authority (STA) request with the FCC to begin beta services in the US for AT&T and Verizon, building on prior commercial backhaul/TT&C authority; further FCC filings for both space and ground network elements are expected in the coming weeks and months, from both AST and its partners.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:35:09

    AST submitted the STA request the day of the call to turn on the five Block 1 satellites for beta usage covering close to nationwide US coverage; approval is pending but the satellites are fully deployed and ready to operate once authorized.

  • Abel Avellan Speculation 00:31:00

    Asked about space policy under the incoming US administration, Abel said he expects continuity with the prior administration's support for the space sector (which created the SDA) and believes broadband connectivity is a bipartisan mission likely to receive continued support, also expecting government business opportunities to become more relevant.

Government and Defense Business

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:01:47

    AST added 3 new US government contracts, including being selected by the Space Development Agency (SDA) to compete directly as a prime contractor, which Abel called a significant validation of the company's dual-use technology strategy.

  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:06:44

    The SDA selection is under the HALO program; SDA is the DoD's disruptor for space acquisition established during the first Trump administration with a multi-billion-dollar budget. This SDA award is AST's 4th US government contract, and several contracts could grow into official 'programs of record' worth hundreds of millions in annual revenue.

  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:20:18

    The HALO program itself could generate tens of millions of dollars of standalone revenue and could act as a feeder into larger programs; the related PLEO (proliferated low Earth orbit) program was recently expanded from $900 million to $13 billion in budget.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:32:29

    Asked whether the 'hundreds of millions' government revenue figure implies hardware or service revenue, Scott said the contracts are primarily services contracts, though the company could in theory sell satellites over time; AST sees itself primarily as a manufacturer that makes its technology operational for both government and commercial customers.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:33:32

    AST's US ground infrastructure is largely built out already; the government has been testing AST's satellites, leading to the 4 government agreements, some of which are believed to be very significant over time, all under a dual-use setup sharing commercial infrastructure.

Commercial Partnerships and Ground Network

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  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:06:44

    AST's partner network includes 45+ mobile network operators globally, covering approximately 2.8 billion existing subscribers; the company's strategy is to select initial coverage markets among these partners.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:19:02

    With a network of 45-60 satellites, AST estimates initial network capacity in the hundreds of millions of potential subscribers, targeting the most valuable wireless markets globally including the US, Europe, Japan, and the US government.

  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:35:51

    AST has a definitive commercial agreement with AT&T already announced, and is working on similar definitive agreements with its other large partners; the company has recently increased hiring on the commercial front given strong interest and pipeline activity around these agreements.

  • Abel Avellan Disagreement 00:28:07

    Asked when a definitive agreement with Rakuten should be expected (following Rakuten's own Q3 statement targeting nationwide coverage with AST starting in 2026), Abel said AST already has an agreement with Rakuten, who is both an investor and network operator, and is working on additional in-country applications; Rakuten is slotted as one of the first markets after the US, Europe, and Japan.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:38:30

    AST has 4 ground stations ready for operation in the US, sufficient to light up 5,600 cells there; internationally, AST is standing up regional gateways with Vodafone for Europe and with Rakuten for Japan, prioritizing network access to partners who have invested in or prepaid services with AST.

Watch Items7

  • FCC approval of Special Temporary Authority (STA) to begin beta commercial service on the five Block 1 BlueBird satellites across nearly all of the US

    Described as 'imminent,' pending FCC authorization Abel Avellan 00:35:09
  • Blue Origin New Glenn's first operational launch, expected to carry Block 2 BlueBird satellites

    This year (2024) Abel Avellan 00:01:47
  • Q4 2024 capital expenditures

    Guided at approximately $100 million for Q4 2024 Andrew Johnson 00:09:47
  • First launches of ASIC-equipped (AST5000) Block 2 satellites

    Later in 2025, roughly mid-2025 to Q3 2025 Abel Avellan 00:21:43
  • Additional FCC filings for space and ground network elements

    Coming weeks and months Scott Wisniewski 00:06:44
  • Additional definitive commercial agreements with MNO partners beyond AT&T

    Expected to be reported 'soon' Scott Wisniewski 00:06:44
  • Launch cadence toward 60-satellite target across SpaceX, ISRO, and Blue Origin launches

    Roughly '1, 4, 4, 8, 8, 8' through 2025-2026 Abel Avellan 00:29:28

Open Questions4

  • When will AST sign a definitive agreement with Rakuten, given Rakuten's own public target of nationwide coverage with AST starting in 2026?

    Mike Crawford 00:27:48
  • Will Blue Origin's New Glenn launch schedule hold given its prior delays, and what backup options does AST have if New Glenn falls further behind?

    Chris Scholl 00:29:06
  • Will AST's government contract revenue (potentially hundreds of millions annually) be primarily hardware sales or recurring service revenue?

    Chris Quilty 00:32:13
  • Will the US government need a bespoke ground system to use AST's network, or can it use AST's existing infrastructure?

    Chris Quilty 00:33:10
2024-08-14 33:56

AST SpaceMobile Q2 2024 Earnings Call

Abel Avellan · Scott Wisniewski · Andy Johnson · Operator · Griffin Boss · Benjamin Soff · Chris Cho · Chris Quilty

This episode is a rebroadcast of AST SpaceMobile's Q2 2024 business update/earnings call. It is led by CEO Abel Avellan, President/Chief Strategy Officer Scott Wisniewski, and new CFO Andy Johnson.

The headline news is that the first five commercial Block 1 BlueBird satellites finished assembly and shipped to Cape Canaveral, targeting a launch in the first half of September 2024. Alongside that came a new $100 million Verizon strategic financing commitment, an initial FCC operating license, and completion of the AST5000 ASIC tape-out with TSMC.

Management reiterated a Q1 2025 target for the first Block 2 satellite launches, with 17 in production. It reported $287.6 million in cash at quarter-end, and said it has no plans for a public equity offering for the rest of 2024.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile's first five commercial Block 1 BlueBird satellites completed final assembly in Midland, Texas and shipped to Cape Canaveral in early August 2024, targeting launch in a 7-day contracted window in the first half of September 2024 on a dedicated SpaceX Falcon 9 mission.
  • CEO Abel Avellan said initial commercial service is expected a few months after launch, providing non-continuous nationwide US cellular broadband coverage across 5,600 cells for AT&T and Verizon beta test users using premium 850 MHz low-band spectrum, targeting near-100% continental US geographic coverage.
  • Verizon committed $100 million to AST SpaceMobile in Q2 2024 -- $65 million of commercial prepayments plus $35 million of convertible notes -- joining AT&T, Vodafone, Google, American Tower, Rakuten, and Bell Canada as strategic partners/investors.
  • AST SpaceMobile received an initial FCC license (using V, S, and UHF frequencies) authorizing gateway, feeder-link, and telemetry/tracking/control operations for the first five BlueBird satellites; this will serve as the company's primary US operating license for the life of the constellation.
  • The company completed the AST5000 ASIC chip tape-out with TSMC (roughly $45 million invested over about 5 years of development); the chip enables up to a 10x improvement in per-satellite processing bandwidth versus FPGA, but the first four Block 2 satellites will still launch on FPGA before ASIC-equipped units follow.
  • AST SpaceMobile is building the first 17 Block 2 satellites (about 2,400 square feet each), still targeting an initial Block 2 launch in Q1 2025, with future launch cadence of roughly 4 to 8 satellites per mission depending on the launch vehicle.
  • Q2 2024 non-GAAP adjusted cash operating expenses were $34.6 million (versus $31.1 million in Q1) and capex was $21.2 million (versus $26.6 million in Q1); total spend on the five Block 1 satellites came in around $115 million, not materially exceeding prior guidance, and was fully paid by quarter-end.
  • AST SpaceMobile ended Q2 2024 with $287.6 million in cash, up from $212.4 million at the end of Q1, helped by $55 million from the Verizon deal (including a $20 million prepayment) and completion of its 2-year at-the-market (ATM) equity program, which raised $164 million total while using under 75% of its capacity at over a 50% premium to volume-weighted average price.
  • CFO Andy Johnson reiterated the company has no plans for a public equity offering for the remainder of 2024, preferring non-dilutive MNO prepayments; the $51.5 million senior secured credit facility remains undrawn.
  • Management said an initial US government prime-contractor award (referenced as a February-type contract) generated top-line revenue in Q2 after completed in-orbit and ground test milestones, and the company has since received two additional small government contract awards still being finalized.
  • Executives declined to give specific ARPU or pricing guidance despite a prior media report citing figures (Scott Wisniewski called the report a misquote), and declined to comment on whether the TLEO government contract vehicle could be a funding source for AST SpaceMobile.

Detailed Discussion7 topics

Block 1 Launch Update

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:01:35

    The first 5 commercial BlueBird satellites arrived in Cape Canaveral, Florida last week after completing final assembly at the Texas manufacturing facilities, and are now undergoing final preparation for integration with the Falcon 9 launch vehicle for a dedicated mission.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:35

    AST SpaceMobile has a 7-day contracted orbital launch window in the first half of September; current expectation is to launch in the first half of September, though this depends on factors outside the company's control including weather.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:01:35

    The company has spent over 7 years and over $1 billion to reach this point, generating over 3,400 patent and patent-pending claims; these Bluebirds will be the largest communications array ever deployed commercially in low Earth orbit.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:35

    With these first 5 satellites, AST SpaceMobile is targeting nearly 100% geographical coverage of the continental US using premium 850 MHz low-band spectrum; after a few months of in-orbit service activation, initial service for AT&T and Verizon beta test users will start with 5,600 cells nationwide, providing non-continuous coverage.

  • Benjamin Soff Untagged 00:25:31

    Asked for the timeline and key milestones between the early-September launch and reaching commercial service now that the satellites are on-site in Florida.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:25:47

    After launch, the company anticipates a few months to activate service on the first 5 satellites; ground infrastructure is already prepared, with initial usage split between government users and MNO partners (US, Vodafone, and prepaying investors) starting in parallel.

Commercial Agreements & Financing

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  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:01:35

    During Q2, AST SpaceMobile secured Verizon as a major strategic financing partner and customer with a $100 million commitment -- $65 million of commercial prepayments and $35 million of convertible notes -- just months after the AT&T, Google, and Vodafone strategic financing, following the May definitive commercial agreement with AT&T.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:10:20

    Q2 cash increase of $287.6 million (from $212.4 million in Q1) includes $55 million of the previously announced Verizon investment, inclusive of a $20 million prepayment for future cellular broadband service.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:10:20

    The company completed its 2-year at-the-market (ATM) equity facility as of end of July 2024, raising approximately $80 million during Q2 alone and $164 million total over the facility's life, using less than 75% of combined facility capacity and raising at more than a 50% premium to the stock's volume-weighted average price.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:10:20

    AST SpaceMobile continues to consider using the balance of its senior credit facility (gross $51.5 million available) but is prioritizing non-dilutive strategic prepayments from MNO partners over drawing the facility; there are currently no plans for the remainder of 2024 to pursue an underwritten public equity offering.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:10:20

    The company continues to work on developing a financing package from export credit agencies to source cost-effective, long-term debt funding for large projects, and will update on progress.

  • Chris Cho Untagged 00:28:59

    Asked, given no equity offering planned this year, how the company thinks about the timing of additional funding requirements for Block 2 and beyond and trade-offs between capital sources.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:29:14

    Priority remains prepayment relationships with MNO partners as an effective non-dilutive capital source; the company also expects potential meaningful capital from milestone-linked payments with Vodafone, AT&T, and Verizon, and reiterated no plans for a public equity offering through the end of 2024.

Regulatory Progress & Government Contracts

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  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:07:26

    AST SpaceMobile received an initial license from the FCC earlier this month authorizing operations using V, S, and UHF frequencies to support gateway, feeder link, and telemetry tracking control for the first 5 commercial BlueBird satellites; this will serve as the primary US license over the life of the constellation.

  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:07:26

    This FCC authorization followed the March 2024 update of the company's constellation filings with the ITU and related FCC filings placing the planned commercial satellites under US jurisdiction, part of the overall regulatory strategy.

  • Scott Wisniewski Confirmed 00:07:26

    AST SpaceMobile was awarded a new contract earlier this year as a prime contractor working with the US government, covering use of BlueWalker 3 and the first 5 commercial satellites; during Q2 the company completed successful in-orbit and ground tests, resulting in completed contractual milestones and top-line revenue.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:07:26

    Two new US government contract awards have come in recent months to one of the company's prime contractors; like the February contract these represent relatively small revenue individually but seek to evaluate potential for full-scale, multi-year contracted services; contracts are still being finalized.

  • Chris Quilty Untagged 00:30:56

    Asked whether larger government contract awards referenced in the press release could look like SBIR Phase 3, OTAs, or a formal budget line item.

  • Scott Wisniewski Speculation 00:31:19

    Said all of those contract types are on the table over time; current awards are early-stage, small-revenue SBIR/Phase 1-type opportunities intended to build toward a capability, and the outlook for additional/larger awards has improved.

  • Chris Quilty Untagged 00:31:59

    Asked whether the TLEO government contract vehicle (tied to some of AST's prime contractor partners) could be a potential funding vehicle.

  • Scott Wisniewski Untagged 00:32:12

    Declined to comment on specific programs.

  • Chris Cho Untagged 00:27:34

    Asked about the remaining US regulatory approval process/timeline and whether other countries are following the US's regulatory lead.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:27:52

    Said the FCC plays a global leadership role and progress with international partners has been positive with no showstoppers; upcoming milestones include filings on ground gateways, test campaigns as Block 1 activity begins, and -- the big one -- SCS (Supplemental Coverage from Space) rights filings in the US with the FCC alongside AT&T and Verizon.

Block 2 Production & ASIC Technology

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  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:35

    The company is continuing planning and initial production of the first 17 Block 2 satellites, to be built in phases with initial launch targeted for Q1 2025; equipped with the ASIC, these satellites will be about 2,400 square feet, supporting up to a 10x improvement in processing bandwidth versus Block 1 satellites.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:01:35

    AST5000 ASIC chip tape-out with TSMC is now complete -- the cornerstone of the Block 2 program; a novel custom low-power architecture enabling up to 10x processing bandwidth improvement, representing the culmination of about 5 years of R&D and roughly $45 million invested. The company expects to start using the ASIC on its 6th Block 2 satellite and can use the existing FPGA configuration as long as required.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:01:35

    Using the 3 bits/hertz demonstrated on BlueWalker 3 and planned commercial capacity of up to 40 MHz per beam, the company projects performance of up to 120 megabit peak data rates.

  • Tanner (shareholder) Untagged 00:17:43

    Asked whether AST will wait until the first Block 2 satellite is launched and unfolded before working on additional builds.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:17:50

    No -- the company is already building parts for the next 17 satellites and started this a few months back; the first 4 launches will be FPGA-based, the subsequent Block 2 satellites will be ASIC-based (a tenfold improvement over FPGA), and the company will not wait for deployment confirmation to continue building.

  • Tanner (shareholder) Untagged 00:20:47

    Asked how many Block 2 satellites will be launched at a time after the first one.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:20:52

    The satellite system is designed to be launch-agnostic across large/medium launch providers; depending on configuration and vehicle, expect anywhere from 4 per launch (larger Block 2s) up to 8 per launch.

  • Griffin Boss Untagged 00:22:05

    Noted 17 satellites under construction is more than expected and asked how to characterize current production capacity relative to the prior goal of a 6-satellite-per-month cadence.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:22:30

    The 17 satellites refers to subsystems being produced on a staggered timeline starting with long-lead items; production cadence is accelerating, helped by lessons from the first 5 commercial satellites, and the company now vertically integrates and controls IP/manufacturing for about 95% of satellite subsystems.

  • Griffin Boss Untagged 00:23:38

    Asked whether the initial Block 2 launch is still tracking for late Q4/early 2025 or if there are delays with the launch provider.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:23:53

    Confirmed still tracking for Q1 2025, with no delays or issues cited.

  • Benjamin Soff Untagged 00:26:49

    Asked for updated cost-per-satellite thinking and timing for the 17 Block 2 satellites.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:26:58

    Cost guidance per satellite is being maintained, though the company continues seeking cost improvements as it approaches 95% vertical integration; launch campaign starts Q1 with additional launches following as satellites and launch slots become available.

  • Chris Quilty Untagged 00:31:59

    Asked whether ASIC production/delivery is the gating factor for scaling to full Block 2 satellites.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:32:32

    No -- the 2,400-square-foot Block 2 satellite size is independent of whether it's equipped with FPGA or ASIC; launches can continue on FPGA as long as needed, so ASIC is not a launch prerequisite, though it's desired for its 10x capacity increase. The first ASIC die was received several weeks ago and is being incorporated into the Micron satellite design.

Q2 2024 Financial Results

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  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:10:20

    Non-GAAP adjusted cash operating expenses were $34.6 million in Q2 2024 versus $31.1 million in Q1, the increase driven by final Block 1 expenses, travel to the Texas production site, expedited Block 2 engineering hiring, and a roughly one-time G&A expense reversal in Q1 affecting the comparison.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:10:20

    Capital expenditures were $21.2 million in Q2 versus $26.6 million in Q1, covering capitalized direct materials/labor for Block 1 and Block 2 satellites and facility/production equipment for the 185,000-square-foot Midland assembly, integration, and test facility; capex trended down as Block 1 completed ahead of Block 2 ramp.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:10:20

    By the end of Q2, the company incurred and paid all amounts for the 5 Block 1 satellites; total spend did not materially exceed the prior estimate of $115 million.

  • Andy Johnson Company Guidance 00:10:20

    Adjusted cash operating expense guidance for the remainder of 2024 remains $30-35 million per quarter, with expectation of trending toward the low end of that range as Block 2 design nears completion and focus shifts to scaled production; this guidance excludes approximately $15 million of ASIC tape-out/initial production costs, which will be recognized as R&D expense in subsequent 2024 quarters.

  • Griffin Boss Untagged 00:24:53

    Asked whether a new 'contract liabilities' line item in the cash flow statement reflects the Verizon revenue commitment.

  • Andy Johnson Confirmed 00:25:08

    Confirmed the line item reflects revenue commitments against prepayments; none of it counts as revenue yet until services are initiated.

Solar Activity & Satellite Resilience

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  • Cody (shareholder) Untagged 00:19:50

    Asked what concerns the company has operating during the current solar maximum and how susceptible the satellites are to solar storms.

  • Abel Avellan Confirmed 00:19:59

    Satellites are built from identical 'Micron' modules forming a distributed system where no single part failure can down the satellite, making it resilient to space weather; over 2 years operating BlueWalker 3 the company has never had a failure caused by solar activity and is confident in satellite resilience to weather conditions.

Deployment Prioritization & ARPU

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  • Matt (shareholder) Untagged 00:18:54

    Asked which regions the company will prioritize after full US coverage and on what timeframe.

  • Abel Avellan Company Guidance 00:19:02

    The US is the largest, most developed wireless market and will be prioritized (AT&T and Verizon); next priority goes to MNOs/investors paying prepaid revenue, including Vodafone markets and Rakuten in Japan, then new prepaying MNOs. The 50-degree launch inclination covers all latitudes from 59°N to 59°S, letting the company select regions per prepayment priorities.

  • Griffin Boss Untagged 00:23:57

    Referenced an informal interview where Scott Wisniewski reportedly cited ARPU assumptions for the US and asked for any ARPU expectations the company can share, especially with 2 definitive agreements now signed.

  • Scott Wisniewski Company Guidance 00:24:20

    Said there is no pricing or go-to-market strategy to report at this time and that the referenced article was misquoted; the company is excited about its revenue-share model and adoption/wallet-share potential but is not giving pricing guidance, though go-to-market planning has accelerated.

Watch Items6

  • Launch of the first 5 commercial Block 1 BlueBird satellites on a dedicated Falcon 9 mission

    7-day contracted window in the first half of September 2024 Abel Avellan 00:01:35
  • Initial commercial service activation for AT&T/Verizon beta test users (5,600 cells)

    A few months after the September launch Abel Avellan 00:01:35
  • First Block 2 satellite launch (of 17 in production)

    Q1 2025 Abel Avellan 00:23:53
  • SCS (Supplemental Coverage from Space) rights filings with the FCC alongside AT&T and Verizon, plus gateway and test-campaign filings

    Ongoing/upcoming, not specifically dated Scott Wisniewski 00:27:52
  • Finalization of two new US government contract awards via a prime contractor

    In progress, no specific date given Scott Wisniewski 00:07:26
  • Export credit agency financing package development for long-term debt funding

    Ongoing, no specific date given Andy Johnson 00:10:20

Open Questions4

  • What ARPU or pricing assumptions does AST SpaceMobile expect for its US service, given the AT&T and Verizon definitive agreements?

    Griffin Boss 00:23:57
  • What is the timing and scale of additional funding requirements for Block 2 and beyond, and how will the company balance debt vs. equity vs. non-dilutive capital sources?

    Chris Cho 00:28:59
  • Could the TLEO government contract vehicle serve as a funding source for AST SpaceMobile?

    Chris Quilty 00:31:59
  • What form will larger-scale government contract awards take (e.g., SBIR Phase 3, OTAs, dedicated budget line items)?

    Chris Quilty 00:30:56