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2026-06-27 17:24

Starlink's Charter Deal a Desperate Power Play

Anpanman

In a solo, impromptu episode, Anpanman reacts to an overnight Bloomberg report of talks between Starlink and distressed cable giant Charter Communications. He explains Charter's ~$100B debt vs ~$18B equity position and the competitive squeeze from 5G home internet, fiber, and Starlink's own fixed wireless service.

He argues the leak almost certainly originated from Starlink as a pressure tactic aimed at T-Mobile and the broader carrier market. But he contends it's a strategic blunder that will harden carrier resistance rather than win cooperation.

Anpanman closes with his standing bullish view that AST SpaceMobile's strategic value keeps compounding as Starlink alienates mobile carriers, and that the market has not yet priced this in.

Key Takeaways

  • Bloomberg reported overnight that Starlink and Charter Communications have reportedly been in talks; Anpanman treats this as a leak rather than a confirmed deal and analyzes who likely leaked it and why.
  • Charter Communications is financially distressed, carrying roughly $100 billion in debt against only about $18 billion in equity value, a position Anpanman attributes to years of financial engineering and stock buybacks.
  • Charter and cable broadly have been squeezed by wireless carriers' 5G home internet and aggressive fiber buildouts (especially from AT&T) as well as by Starlink's fixed wireless service pulling rural and suburban subscribers.
  • Charter operates its mobile service as an MVNO through Verizon: Charter contributed spectrum it had accumulated to Verizon in exchange for network access, running some traffic on its own network fabric while using Verizon's towers and spectrum; Anpanman estimates Charter has roughly 10 million mobile subscribers this way.
  • Anpanman explains that companies leak deal talks to the press for several possible strategic reasons: floating a trial balloon to gauge reaction, applying pressure to force a decision, deliberately blowing up an unwanted deal, or drawing outside interest during an exclusivity period without formally breaching confidentiality.
  • Anpanman believes Starlink is the most likely source of the Charter leak, intended to demonstrate to T-Mobile and the broader carrier market that Starlink has alternative options if carrier relationships sour.
  • Anpanman argues the leak is a strategic blunder: rather than intimidating carriers into cooperating with Starlink, it is likely to galvanize AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile to refuse Starlink MVNO access and to reevaluate existing MVNO agreements with cable companies to close off any workaround.
  • Anpanman explains that Starlink simply acquiring an existing MVNO would not be a clean way around carrier resistance, because MVNO contracts likely contain change-of-control clauses letting the underlying mobile network operator terminate the agreement if a new, unwelcome party takes over; buying an MNO outright would also likely be blocked by regulators and would hurt Starlink's own valuation.
  • Anpanman calls a May 14th tweet by Tim Ferriss — which framed the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture as a defensive move to jointly access Starlink's next-generation service — an 'absolutely idiotic take,' arguing subsequent events (the T-Mobile/Starlink exclusivity nearing its end, Starlink's push toward a direct-to-consumer mobile offering, and now the Charter talks) instead show carriers uniting against Starlink.
  • Anpanman's closing view is that AST SpaceMobile's strategic value continues to rise daily as Starlink's relationship with mobile carriers deteriorates, and that when the broader market recognizes this, ASTS stock will 're-rate' significantly higher because its service will become critical strategic infrastructure for every MNO and for tech companies outside the Tesla/SpaceX ecosystem.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

Bloomberg Report on Starlink-Charter Talks

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  • Anpanman Rumor 00:01:22

    Bloomberg reported overnight that there were reportedly talks between Starlink and Charter Communications; Anpanman describes Charter as a large, well-known US cable/home internet company that most Americans get service through (he personally uses Spectrum, Charter's brand).

Charter's Financial Distress

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    Charter got into its current position by focusing on financial engineering over time — raising a lot of debt and buying back stock on the assumption growth would continue indefinitely; the company now has about $100 billion of debt against an equity value of only about $18 billion, making it, in his words, 'pretty much a distressed company right now.'

Competitive Pressures Facing Cable

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:22

    Wireless carriers have pressured cable via two products: 5G Home internet (using the terrestrial wireless network to serve homes; he says Verizon's 5G Home speed is around, he thinks, 150 megabits down / 50 up, flagging the figure as not fully certain) and, more competitively, fiber buildouts from Verizon, AT&T, and especially T-Mobile/AT&T, which offer symmetrical upload/download speeds (e.g., 1 Gbps down/1 Gbps up) versus cable's traditionally asymmetric speeds (Anpanman's own Spectrum service: 500 Mbps down, 15 Mbps up).

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:22

    Separately, Starlink's fixed wireless service has been pulling cable's traditionally dominant rural and suburban customer base, compounding the pressure cable companies face from wireless carriers.

Charter's MVNO Deal With Verizon

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:22

    Around 2014-2015, cable companies (including Charter) considered building their own wireless networks after having bought spectrum, but decided deploying towers themselves would be too expensive.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    Instead, Charter entered a partnership with Verizon: Charter gave Verizon the spectrum it had accumulated, and in exchange Verizon lets Charter operate as an MVNO, using Verizon's towers and spectrum while running a decent amount of network traffic on Charter's own network fabric. Anpanman estimates Charter has 'maybe around 10 million subscribers or so' through this arrangement.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:22

    Anpanman notes he personally could get a $20-30 discount by bundling Spectrum Mobile with his home internet, but avoids it because cable companies are 'notorious for having awful customer service.'

Why Leaks Happen: Trial Balloons and Leverage

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:22

    When deal talks leak to the press, Anpanman says it's important to ask why: possible motives include floating a 'trial balloon' to gauge public/investor/regulatory reaction to a contemplated deal, trying to force a party into or out of a deal via pressure, deliberately leaking to blow up an unwanted deal, or a sell-side banker leaking under exclusivity to draw more buyer interest without formally breaching an NDA — a high-risk move.

Who Leaked the Charter-Starlink Talks and Why

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    One possibility Anpanman raises: Charter itself leaked it to show equity and bondholders it has options to salvage the business by partnering with Starlink — though he notes this is complicated because Starlink is itself one of the causes of Charter's subscriber losses, and it's unclear what agreements would let Starlink use Charter's infrastructure while it's still contractually tied to Verizon/T-Mobile as its MVNO backbone.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:11:14

    Anpanman's main view is that Starlink is most likely the source of the leak, intending to show 'they've got options' and to pressure T-Mobile not to walk away from its existing agreement, while also signaling to the broader market and other carriers that Starlink has alternatives if carrier relationships don't work out.

Why the Leak Could Backfire on Starlink

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:11:14

    Anpanman calls the leak 'quite desperate' and 'another strategic blunder' for Starlink. He contrasts two interpretations: one view is that leaking a Charter partnership threatens carriers into acquiescing; his own view is the opposite — it will galvanize carriers, making them refuse to enable Starlink as an MVNO (viewing it as an existential threat) and prompting them to reevaluate their existing MVNO agreements with cable companies to close off any 'end around.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:11:14

    On the idea that Starlink could simply buy an existing MVNO to bypass carrier resistance, Anpanman argues it's 'not as simple as' it sounds: MVNO contracts likely contain change-of-control clauses letting the underlying mobile network operator evaluate and potentially terminate the agreement if a new, unwelcome party (e.g., Starlink) steps in. He also reiterates a prior view that Starlink acquiring a mobile network operator outright would cause its own valuation to derate, would likely be blocked by regulators, and would further galvanize all MNOs against it.

Connecting the Dots: Carrier JV, Ferriss Take, and the Bigger Picture

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  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:11:14

    Anpanman recalls that around May 14th, Tim Ferriss tweeted that the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture had been formed so the carriers could present a 'united front' to access Starlink's next-generation service — Anpanman calls this take 'absolutely idiotic,' accusing Ferriss and other space-industry analysts of being unable to see past their bias against AST.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:11:14

    Anpanman argues the pieces instead fit a different narrative: the T-Mobile/Starlink exclusivity is ending around June/July (he says 'I think it's July'), the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile JV formed just before that, Starlink has become vocal about going direct-to-consumer with a mobile offering, and now Starlink is reportedly talking to cable companies — all of which he reads as carriers closing ranks against a Starlink mobile threat rather than cooperating with it.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:11:14

    Anpanman predicts there will likely be another article in the coming days specifically reporting Starlink talking to Spectrum (Charter's brand).

Strategic Value of ASTS

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:11:14

    Anpanman's closing take: regardless of these short-term maneuvers, AST SpaceMobile's strategic value 'continues to go up by the day' as Starlink Mobile becomes 'more toxic' to potential MNO partners; when the broader market/Street catches up to this, he expects the stock to 'massively re-rate higher' as AST's service becomes a critical strategic asset for every MNO and for tech companies outside the Tesla/SpaceX vertical stack.

Watch Items2

  • T-Mobile's exclusivity period with Starlink is expected to end

    June/July (Anpanman says 'I think it's July') Anpanman 00:11:14
  • Anpanman predicts a follow-up press article specifically reporting Starlink in talks with Spectrum (Charter's consumer brand)

    "In the coming days" Anpanman 00:11:14

Open Questions2

  • What agreements or legal mechanism, if any, would allow Starlink to partner with Charter for cable/network infrastructure while Charter remains contractually reliant on Verizon and T-Mobile as its MVNO backbone?

    Anpanman 00:01:22
  • Whether change-of-control clauses in existing MVNO contracts would actually let carriers terminate agreements if Starlink attempted to acquire an MVNO to bypass direct carrier negotiations.

    Anpanman 00:11:14
2026-06-26 54:20

Starlink Just Showed Their Hand - And It's a Gift for AST SpaceMobile

Anpanman

In a solo commentary episode, Anpanman reacts to overnight FT reporting that Starlink disclosed in a debt prospectus its intent to launch a direct-to-consumer 'Starlink Mobile' service that competes head-on with terrestrial carriers rather than partnering with them.

He argues this is bad for every incumbent MNO and tech company but is actually a massive positive catalyst for AST SpaceMobile. In his view it pushes AT&T, Verizon, and (he claims) now T-Mobile to lean harder on AST as the only sovereignty-friendly, partnership-based, low-band-capable counter to Starlink.

He spends the back half of the episode debunking Wall Street speculation that SpaceX could acquire T-Mobile, arguing it's regulatorily dead on arrival and would destroy SpaceX's valuation.

He also explains why Starlink's newly declared ambitions will backfire with regulators internationally, calling it a 'Napoleon-level' strategic blunder for Starlink's global rollout.

Key Takeaways

  • Starlink disclosed in a debt prospectus (reported overnight by the Financial Times) that it intends to launch a direct-to-consumer mobile wireless product, 'Starlink Mobile,' competing directly with terrestrial carriers rather than only partnering with them via T-Mobile.
  • Anpanman argues this is bad for AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Google, Amazon, and Apple, but is a major positive for AST SpaceMobile because AST becomes the strategic counter-asset for any player trying to defend against Starlink's mobile ambitions.
  • Anpanman states that T-Mobile is joining AT&T and Verizon in AST SpaceMobile's joint venture structure, framed as T-Mobile realizing its Starlink Direct-to-Cell partnership (announced August 2022) was a strategic mistake; he presents this as his own read of the situation rather than citing an official company announcement.
  • Any near-term Starlink direct-to-consumer mobile product would likely require a 'dual-bill' setup: subscribers would use Starlink's eSIM as a primary connection but need a backup terrestrial carrier for indoor, foliage, or line-of-sight-blocked coverage, since Starlink currently relies on mid-band spectrum.
  • Starlink's mid-band spectrum limits its penetration through buildings and foliage, whereas AST SpaceMobile's low-band spectrum approach can penetrate those obstacles; Anpanman says Starlink would need to acquire scarce low-band spectrum (e.g., from Grain Management's roughly 800 MHz holdings currently in FCC review) to truly compete.
  • Anpanman contrasts revenue splits: T-Mobile reportedly keeps only 20 cents of every dollar in its Starlink Direct-to-Cell deal (Starlink keeps 80 cents) because Starlink owns the infrastructure, versus AST's roughly 50/50 splits with AT&T and Verizon under true partnership structures.
  • Anpanman dismisses Wall Street (TD Cowen) speculation that SpaceX could acquire T-Mobile, arguing it would be blocked by U.S. regulators (since it would reduce the wireless market from a hoped-for 4 competitors back to 3) and would severely 'de-rate' SpaceX's valuation given T-Mobile trades around 7.5x EBITDA versus SpaceX's roughly 160x 2026 EBITDA valuation.
  • Anpanman argues Starlink openly declaring its intent to compete with terrestrial mobile carriers will backfire internationally, as foreign regulators protecting 'national champion' carriers and sovereignty concerns are likely to deny Starlink the country-by-country spectrum approvals (e.g., S-band) it needs to expand globally.
  • AST SpaceMobile's partnership/joint-venture model (e.g., Satellite Connect Europe with Vodafone, the Rakuten-AST J-LEO venture in Japan) gives local partners ownership, control, and even a 'kill switch' over satellites serving their territory, which Anpanman contrasts favorably against Starlink's 'take it or leave it' approach that does not offer local ownership or sovereignty.
  • Anpanman notes AST SpaceMobile now has partnerships or relationships with roughly 60 mobile network operators globally, and expects that number to grow as Starlink's declared ambitions push more carriers to seek AST as a hedge.

Detailed Discussion8 topics

Starlink's Debt Prospectus Disclosure and Why It's Bullish for AST

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:22

    Breaking news overnight from the Financial Times: Starlink has told investors (in a debt prospectus) that it is seeking to attack the terrestrial wireless market, planning to launch 'Starlink Mobile' sold directly to consumers rather than solely through MNO partnerships, effectively going around its partner T-Mobile and eventually targeting AT&T and Verizon customers too.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    Anpanman's key takeaway: AST SpaceMobile's strategic value 'has gone up exponentially' as a result of this disclosure, because it confirms Starlink's long-term intent to compete with, not complement, MNOs.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    He expects this FT article to circulate to every board member at every global MNO, forcing them to reassess whether working with Starlink was a strategic error ('enabling' a future competitor).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    General market/investor reaction will likely be that this news is broadly negative for AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile, Google, Amazon, and Apple — which he says is mostly true — but he argues AST SpaceMobile is the exception because it is the only competitor offering true broadband to an unmodified phone using low-band spectrum, versus Starlink's current narrowband texting service (with broadband coming later, but capacity-limited by mid-band spectrum).

T-Mobile, the AST Joint Venture, and Broader Strategic Importance

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    Anpanman states T-Mobile is joining AT&T and Verizon in AST SpaceMobile's joint venture, describing it as T-Mobile recognizing that enabling the 'Trojan horse' (Starlink) inside its own network made no sense; he ties this to T-Mobile's Starlink Direct-to-Cell exclusivity (announced August 2022) ending 'this or next month.' This is presented as Anpanman's own analysis/claim rather than a cited company announcement.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    He notes former T-Mobile CEO Mike Sievert is no longer at the company, speculating (without certainty) that he was pushed out, though he says it 'doesn't seem like' Sievert left entirely on his own.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    As Starlink pursues the terrestrial mobile business, AST becomes increasingly important not just to MNOs but to any company that competes with the integrated SpaceX/Tesla stack — robotics, autonomous drones, IoT, and AI edge-case connectivity providers — since working with SpaceX risks being 'hollowed out' by them.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    Existing strategic investor Google, plus Meta (which he says has visited AST's Midland facility and is testing apps like WhatsApp with AST in Spain), Microsoft, and Amazon (which bought Globalstar for spectrum) are all cited as tech players with growing strategic interest in AST, though he says it's unclear if Amazon can stand up a real competing service via Globalstar.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:01:22

    He cites Anduril's reported difficulties working with SpaceX/Starlink for military drone connectivity, noting that Anduril founder Palmer Luckey and several Anduril employees reportedly own AST SpaceMobile stock (a fact he says was confirmed by fellow host Kook after a camping trip conversation with Anduril employees), which he frames as a signal that people close to the technology see where things are headed.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    Referencing a call with Ben Devron about Bridger Aerospace, Anpanman relays that firefighters lose connectivity during wildfires because dense forest canopy blocks Starlink's fixed-wireless service, whereas AST's low-band cellular approach can penetrate trees and foliage — illustrating a real-world use case for AST's spectrum advantage.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:05

    AST currently has relationships with roughly 60 global MNO partners (including Vodafone, Orange, Telefonica, Telenor, CK Hutchison, Saudi Telecom, MTN, Rakuten, Globe, an unnamed Korean carrier, and Vodafone Idea in India), and he expects that number to keep growing as Starlink's stated ambitions push more carriers to hedge by working with AST.

How a Starlink Direct-to-Consumer Mobile Product Would Work

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    He describes a likely near-term model: consumers would buy Starlink mobile service directly (speculating a price point of roughly $30-50/month), set the Starlink eSIM as their phone's primary network, and keep a cheaper backup carrier (an MVNO or AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile) as a fallback for when Starlink's line-of-sight service drops (indoors, in cars, in tunnels).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    This handoff would not be seamless — an active call would drop and the phone would need to re-search for the backup network — meaning users would effectively pay for two services ('dual bill') unless a carrier agreed to lease network space to Starlink as an MVNO host, which AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile have all said they are not interested in enabling.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    Because Starlink's mid-band spectrum has line-of-sight limitations, its service would work well outdoors with a clear sky view but become 'patchy' indoors or under tree cover; to truly build a terrestrial-competitive network Starlink would need to erect radio towers (or lease space from companies like American Tower) and, critically, acquire scarce low-band spectrum.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:22

    He flags Grain Management as a company going through FCC approval to sell roughly 800 MHz of spectrum, and floats the possibility that either AST/its partners or SpaceX could acquire it; if SpaceX buys it, he says that would be an 'unequivocal shot across the bow' against T-Mobile/AT&T/Verizon and a signal to buy more AST stock, since it would definitively end any chance of those carriers cooperating with Starlink.

Regulatory Precedent: The Dish/EchoStar 4th-Carrier History

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:15:05

    He recounts that when T-Mobile and Sprint sought DOJ/FTC approval to merge (reducing 4 national carriers to 3), regulators required divestiture of towers, a brand, and low-band spectrum to Dish Networks (owned by Charlie Ergen) to create a facilities-based 4th competitor; Ergen combined those assets with AWS-3 spectrum he'd held for years under the Boost Mobile brand.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:15:05

    Dish's 4th-carrier effort failed — poor customer perception of Boost Mobile/cable-company MVNOs, missed build-out milestones — leading FCC chair Brendan Carr to eventually tell Ergen to use his spectrum or lose it; Ergen then sold that AWS-3 spectrum to SpaceX.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:42

    He argues this history is exactly why the DOJ/FCC would block any SpaceX acquisition of T-Mobile: regulators only recently approved SpaceX's AWS-3 spectrum purchase on the premise that Starlink would become a competitive 4th player, and buying T-Mobile would collapse the market back to 3 large carriers, the opposite of that stated goal.

Debunking the SpaceX-Buys-T-Mobile Speculation

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:42

    He references a Wall Street note (he believes from TD Cowen) speculating that SpaceX could acquire T-Mobile, which he calls 'harebrained' and says is 'dead on arrival' from a U.S. regulatory standpoint for the reasons above.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:42

    He argues Deutsche Telekom (T-Mobile US's parent) previously considered selling down its T-Mobile stake but reversed course in recent years and has been buying back T-Mobile shares because the U.S. market is more attractive than Europe's tougher regulatory/economic environment for telecom — making a sale unlikely even before considering approval odds.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:42

    He argues European regulators would similarly block any attempt by SpaceX to acquire Deutsche Telekom itself, given sovereignty/national-champion protections and Elon Musk's polarizing political profile in Europe.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:42

    Using Street projections, he estimates T-Mobile's 2026 revenue at roughly $95 billion with ~63% gross margin, ~$37 billion EBITDA, and ~$10-11 billion annual capex, trading around 7.5x EBITDA, versus SpaceX trading at roughly 160x projected 2026 EBITDA; folding a slow-growing wireless business into SpaceX would badly 'de-rate' SpaceX's valuation multiple.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:42

    He describes SpaceX as now roughly 60-70% a 'neo-cloud leasing' company via compute-leasing deals with Google, Anthropic, and a third party he refers to as 'Relative AI' (name possibly garbled), a shift from connectivity being about 69% of revenue previously; SpaceX has also acquired Cursor as it moves toward higher-value tools.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:42

    He concludes that buying an incumbent like T-Mobile would be a value-destructive path for SpaceX versus organically taking market share, which the market would reward with an even higher valuation multiple; he doesn't believe Elon Musk wants to destroy SpaceX's valuation this way.

Economics and Technical Comparison: AST vs. Starlink

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:42

    AST's roughly 50/50 revenue split with AT&T and Verizon reflects true partnership economics, versus the roughly 80/20 split (Starlink keeps 80 cents, T-Mobile keeps 20 cents) in T-Mobile's Direct-to-Cell deal, which he attributes to Starlink owning all the infrastructure (satellites, gateways) with no integration into the carrier's core network.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:19:42

    He states Starlink's current service quality is poor and that reaching operational cadence for next-generation V2 satellites (targeting roughly 150 Mbps per cell) will require Starship, whereas AST is 'already getting to 200 megabits per second' and has a roadmap for further generations.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:19:42

    He notes Verizon specifically cited AST's more attractive technology roadmap as part of its 2024 decision to work with AST, alongside strategic concerns about Starlink.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:19:42

    He mentions learning 'this morning' that Brazilian regulators disclosed a technical nugget: a user can connect to up to 4 AST satellites at once, which he says demonstrates AST's MIMO capabilities.

The Global Regulatory Chessboard and Sovereignty

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:29

    He argues foreign regulators will become far more sensitive to sovereignty and 'national champion' protection now that Starlink has openly declared its intent to compete with (not just partner with) local carriers, making it much harder for Starlink to get approvals to become an MVNO or acquire local carriers abroad.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:29

    He contrasts this with past cross-border ownership that regulators did allow — e.g., SoftBank (Japan) owning Sprint, and Deutsche Telekom (Germany) owning T-Mobile US — because those were allied-nation owners, unlike a scenario where a foreign (or politically controversial) entity like SpaceX would seek to acquire a domestic carrier abroad.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:29

    Because Starlink must seek country-by-country approval to use the S-band spectrum rights it acquired from EchoStar, and it is now openly saying it intends to compete with each country's domestic wireless carriers and send profits back to the U.S., he expects many regulators to simply deny those S-band approvals, calling the spectrum acquisition's global-harmonization thesis effectively 'toxic' now.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:29

    He notes the FCC could threaten reciprocity (blocking foreign carriers from the U.S. market if foreign regulators block Starlink), but argues this leverage is weak since most foreign carriers have no interest in offering service in the U.S. anyway.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:29

    AST's partnership/JV model — such as Satellite Connect (Europe, with Vodafone) and the Rakuten-AST J-LEO joint venture in Japan — lets local partners own ground infrastructure, command-and-control, and even a 'kill switch' over satellites while over their territory, which he argues is the key structural reason regulators will favor AST's approach over Starlink's 'take it or leave it' model.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:29

    He cites the potential for dual-use military/defense value in these JV structures (e.g., a European or Japanese 'Golden Dome'-style capability) and references a Spain flooding event roughly one to two years earlier where terrestrial infrastructure was wiped out, arguing AST satellites could have restored mobile service and helped first responders locate victims during the outage.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:29

    He acknowledges smaller (3rd/4th place) carriers in some countries may still choose to enable Starlink as an MVNO to gain subscriber share even without full economics, but argues this dynamic actually increases the strategic urgency for the larger 2-3 carriers in that market to partner with AST as a counter.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:51:39

    He briefly notes a competing direct-to-device player, referred to as 'NBA Space' with 'Aurora' satellites, saying it's too early to assess since those satellites haven't launched or been tested, and that the company does not appear to be working with local partners the way AST does.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:51:39

    He closes with a Napoleon Bonaparte analogy — 'don't interrupt your enemy while they're making a mistake' — framing Starlink's decision to openly reveal its terrestrial mobile ambitions as a strategic blunder that will make its global rollout much harder to execute than its domestic one.

Stock Price History and Volatility Framing

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:42

    He recalls AST's stock moving from roughly $5-6 to $39 after the market recognized the significance of the AT&T and Verizon partnerships, framing the recent stock 'malaise' as similar pre-recognition uncertainty that he expects to resolve once the market understands the implications of Starlink's disclosure.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:42

    He notes AST's constellation compute capacity/data delivery capability is up over 100% in recent months as more satellites have launched, and frames current stock volatility as 'a feature, not a bug' rather than a sign the news is actually bad.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:42

    He says he personally bought more AST stock following this news and remains highly bullish despite the broader space-sector and stock-price pullback.

Watch Items4

  • Resolution of T-Mobile's Starlink Direct-to-Cell exclusivity period (originally announced August 2022) and whether T-Mobile formally joins the AT&T/Verizon AST joint venture

    Anpanman states the exclusivity ends 'this or next month' (i.e., around June-July 2026) Anpanman 00:01:22
  • Outcome of Grain Management's FCC approval process to sell ~800 MHz of low-band spectrum, and whether SpaceX or AST/its partners acquire it

    Ongoing FCC approval process, no date given Anpanman 00:01:22
  • Whether Starship reaches operational cadence to deploy Starlink's V2 direct-to-cell satellites (targeting ~150 Mbps per cell)

    Not specified Anpanman 00:19:42
  • Whether foreign regulators grant or deny Starlink's country-by-country S-band spectrum approval requests following its terrestrial-mobile disclosure

    Ongoing, market-by-market Anpanman 00:47:29

Open Questions5

  • Will SpaceX actually acquire Grain Management's low-band (~800 MHz) spectrum, and if so, will that spectrum be sufficient to build a real competing terrestrial network?

    Anpanman 00:01:22
  • Will T-Mobile officially and publicly confirm joining the AST SpaceMobile joint venture alongside AT&T and Verizon?

    Anpanman 00:01:22
  • Will smaller (3rd/4th-place) international carriers choose to enable Starlink as an MVNO despite the sovereignty and economic downsides, and how will that affect AST's positioning with the larger carriers in those markets?

    Anpanman 00:47:29
  • Does Starlink's public declaration of mobile-carrier ambitions ultimately ease or harm its global regulatory path — will it ease near-term U.S. approvals while making international expansion (S-band approvals, MVNO deals) much harder?

    Anpanman 00:51:39
  • Will DOJ/FCC allow SpaceX to acquire additional low-band spectrum assets (even if a full carrier acquisition like T-Mobile would be blocked)?

    Anpanman 00:19:42
2026-06-25 54:42

AST SpaceMobile - The Billion Dollar Sovereign Satellite Blueprint

Anpanman

Anpanman delivers a solo deep-dive on AST SpaceMobile amid a sector-wide sell-off, explaining why he believes the stock's decline reflects factor rotation and high correlation across space names rather than company-specific news.

The core of the episode is a breakdown of a new 'sovereign satellite' business model, illustrated by the newly confirmed Vodafone España/Satellite Connect Europe deal and the emerging Rakuten/AST joint venture for Japan's J-LEO program.

Under it, regional partners fund and fully own/control dedicated satellites (with a 'kill switch') while AST leases capacity from those birds when they fly over other regions. He argues that structure is capital-efficient and structurally superior to Starlink's centralized network.

He closes with updates on the Midland production ramp and an Antonov cargo delivery, and pushes back on rumors of a SpaceX/T-Mobile acquisition.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman (solo host) argues the entire space sector, not just AST SpaceMobile (ASTS), has sold off together with correlations near 1, so positive company news is currently not being reflected in the stock price.
  • Vodafone España (Spain), now privately-equity owned after being sold out of Vodafone Group roughly a year ago, confirmed a commercial agreement to join Satellite Connect Europe, targeting commercial service in 2027.
  • Anpanman describes a 'sovereign satellite' joint-venture model, modeled on a prior Planet Labs/JSAT deal, in which a regional partner (e.g., Rakuten in Japan, or Vodafone-led MNOs in Europe) pays to procure and fully own dedicated AST-built satellites, retaining a 'kill switch' and full control over their home territory, while AST leases capacity from those same satellites when they pass over other regions.
  • Under this structure, Japan's J-LEO program is expected to involve roughly $1 billion of Japanese government investment into a Rakuten/AST joint venture to buy BlueBird satellites and stand up ground infrastructure, with the satellites owned by the JV rather than by AST.
  • Satellite Connect Europe (the Vodafone/AST joint venture) is backed by most major European MNOs — Orange, Telefónica, CK Hutchison, Telenor, and now Vodafone España — with Deutsche Telekom notably not yet a member.
  • A European Union decision on renewing roughly 30 MHz of 2 GHz spectrum (currently used by EchoStar and Viasat) is expected around May 2027, with about 15 MHz reportedly earmarked for European-owned entities like Satellite Connect Europe.
  • Anpanman contrasts AST's 'bent pipe' architecture (signal captured and sent straight back down to a gateway in the originating country) with Starlink's inter-satellite-linked network, arguing AST's design and joint-venture structure better support data sovereignty and avoid a single external operator holding a kill switch over a country's service.
  • Anpanman says he does not believe AST will hit a previously discussed target of 45 satellites in orbit by the end of the year, expecting that milestone more likely in Q1 or Q2 of next year, and attributes the lack of updated guidance to active negotiations for additional launch capacity.
  • Anpanman dismisses a circulating rumor (from a Wolf Research report) that SpaceX could acquire T-Mobile as unfounded speculation, and argues such a deal would likely cause SpaceX's valuation multiple to get 'derated' toward wireless-carrier levels.
  • The next batch of BlueBird satellites is being prepared for an August launch, and an Antonov cargo plane carrying composite 'donut ring' components from India was expected to land in Midland the day of recording.

Detailed Discussion11 topics

Market Dynamics and Sector-Wide Sell-Off

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:23

    Short interest in ASTS is around 81 million shares in real time, and as the stock has moved lower, convertible arbitrageurs covering their shares suggests there is still net additional shorting happening.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:23

    He attributes some of the shorting/hedging activity to pre-IPO SpaceX holders hedging their positions ahead of an expected liquidity event — the first SpaceX lockup expiration, which he says is coming in August.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:26

    The entire space sector — not just AST SpaceMobile — is down and correlations across space stocks are essentially at 1, so materially positive news for companies like Rocket Lab or Planet Labs isn't moving those stocks either; he believes the market is at or close to a bottom.

Vodafone España and Satellite Connect Europe

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:02:41

    Vodafone España (Vodafone Spain), which Vodafone Group sold to a private equity firm roughly a year ago during restructuring, confirmed a commercial agreement — reiterated by AST SpaceMobile — to join Satellite Connect Europe, with commercial service targeted for 2027.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:41

    He views this as reinforcing Satellite Connect Europe's attractiveness to EU regulators ahead of the upcoming 2 GHz spectrum allocation decision.

Satellite Sovereignty Concept and the Planet/JSAT Precedent

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:04:56

    He describes having grappled with how a 'sovereign' satellite solution could work structurally, until the Rakuten/Mikitani JLEO joint-venture announcement (partly leaked by Rakuten's Mickey Mikitani) helped clarify it, along with a same-day conversation with Kook.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:04:56

    As a historical template, he cites a prior deal between Planet Labs and JSAT in Japan, where JSAT paid Planet roughly $230 million to build satellites for use over Japan; Planet then had rights to use those same satellites elsewhere, making that outside-Japan usage close to a 100% gross-margin business for Planet, while JSAT retained all economics within Japan.

J-LEO Project and the Rakuten/AST Joint Venture

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:41

    Rakuten is forming a joint venture with AST SpaceMobile to serve as the vehicle for Japan's J-LEO project; per press reports, the Japanese government is expected to invest $1 billion into the JV, which the JV would use to buy Bluebird satellites, ground station/command-and-control equipment, and stand up staff in Japan.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:41

    An internal Japanese government decision on J-LEO was expected at the end of June (2026), and he believes AST is very well positioned to win the program, partly because he does not think Starlink can meet the program's requirements.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:41

    Under the JV structure, satellites procured for J-LEO would be fully owned and controlled by the Rakuten/AST joint venture (not AST, the US, or any other entity), including a 'kill switch' to turn off service, addressing his earlier confusion about how Mikitani's comment on 'rolling out global service' would work.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:41

    He speculates Mikitani's board departure may have been partly to allow him to sell stock to help capitalize the JV, and/or to enable more arm's-length negotiations, and/or because it was a requirement of the J-LEO tender — he is not certain which.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:11:26

    When the JV's satellites fly over regions outside Japan (e.g., the US, Europe, Africa), AST (or other MNO partners) would pay the JV to lease that capacity — explaining Mikitani's 'global service' remark as monetizing fly-over capacity rather than Rakuten operating a roaming network directly.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:11:26

    As a rough, explicitly speculative estimate, he guesses the $1 billion Japanese investment could pay for 'somewhere around 30-some-odd satellites,' though he frames this as a guess ('I don't know').

Global Capacity Leasing Economics

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:46:26

    In response to a listener question about how satellite-sharing economics might work (e.g., a JV leasing a satellite to Verizon), he sketches a hypothetical: if Verizon charges its customer $10, Verizon might keep $5 and give AST $5; AST would then pay some portion — maybe $1 — to the relevant regional JV for use of that satellite, with the split depending on which party funded more of the satellite's construction/launch.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:46:26

    He suggests the JV likely gets less economics in regions like the US in exchange for keeping more economics within its home market (e.g., Japan), and that a fully-paid-for satellite effectively becomes incremental, high-margin network capacity for AST.

S-Band Spectrum Allocation in Europe

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:15:11

    Satellite Connect Europe is a joint venture between Vodafone and AST SpaceMobile; other major European MNOs have joined including Orange, Telefónica, CK Hutchison, and Telenor, along with the newly announced Vodafone España.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:15:11

    AST has already applied for an operating license/constellation flagging in Germany for a European satellite fleet he refers to informally as 'Eurobirds.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:11

    He expects an EU decision in May of next year (2027) on renewing roughly 30 MHz by 30 MHz of 2 GHz spectrum currently used by EchoStar, Viasat and others, with about 15 MHz expected to go to European-owned entities and the remainder to other users.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:11

    He believes Europe's own IRIS sovereign satellite constellation project is unlikely to materialize on its stated timeline given the bureaucracy and number of companies involved ('like herding cats').

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:11

    Published EU criteria for the 2 GHz allocation reportedly require EU ownership of the constellation, European operations/control centers, traffic that originates and lands within Europe (not routed through other regions), and a constellation flagged in an EU country — which AST has pursued via Germany.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:11

    Deutsche Telekom has not yet joined Satellite Connect Europe, but he expects it eventually will, given the competitive threat MNOs see from Starlink.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:11

    As part of positioning as a 'fully European solution,' Satellite Connect Europe plans to launch its satellites on Ariane rockets where possible.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:11

    If granted, he expects Satellite Connect Europe could receive on the order of 10 MHz by 10 MHz of S-band spectrum.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:11

    Using a hypothetical Brazil example to illustrate how sovereign JV structures could get around FCC/EchoStar reciprocity disputes over global spectrum rights, he states that a 10 MHz by 10 MHz S-band allocation for local Brazilian MNOs 'is actually what has happened' — though he introduces this as a hypothetical, so the specific claim should be treated as uncertain/unclear.

AST SpaceMobile vs. Starlink Architecture

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:22:56

    AST's satellites operate on a 'bent pipe' basis, capturing mobile signal and sending it directly back down to a gateway in the same country, whereas Starlink's satellites can bounce data between each other, meaning a user's data could be routed through a different country before reaching its destination.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:56

    He argues this creates a sovereignty risk with Starlink around data interception/filtering and around the network being unilaterally turned off if a country's leadership were at odds with SpaceX's owner, whereas AST's regional JV structure gives local partners full control including a kill switch.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:56

    He states Starlink has not formed joint-ownership structures with local MNOs anywhere and does not integrate into an MNO's core network, unlike AST's model.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:22:56

    Countries with growing rocket programs (Japan, India, etc.) would otherwise have to pay a competitor (SpaceX) for launch if using Starlink; AST's satellites fit in standard fairings, and the earlier Vodafone India agreement was partly tied to using ISRO for launch.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:56

    He says he is 'almost 100% certain' AST's J-LEO proposal will commit to launching a meaningful share (he floats 50-80%) of Japan's satellites on Mitsubishi Heavy, framing this as a win-win for regulators supporting both communications and launch sovereignty.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:56

    He believes most global MNOs now see SpaceX as a direct competitive threat since its IPO prospectus and presentations targeted terrestrial cellular service, and expects early Starlink-aligned carriers in Japan (KDDI, NTT Docomo, SoftBank) to begin leaving the 'Starlink train' if AST wins J-LEO.

Midland Operations and Antonov Cargo

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:31:26

    The next batch of BlueBird satellites is being prepared for shipment, with launch expected in August.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:31:26

    An Antonov large cargo plane from India — where the company's composite 'donut rings' are made — was expected to land in Midland the day of recording; he guesses 7 to 10 rings (possibly more) will be unloaded now that a prior stacking issue has reportedly been solved.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:31:26

    Going forward, the company does not plan to rely on Antonov flights for all ring shipments; as the composite ring design finalizes and production stabilizes, he expects more shipments to move by boat, noting some rings may already have arrived that way.

Rakuten's Japan Exclusivity and Opening the Market to Other Carriers

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:11

    Because Rakuten was an early seed investor in AST, AST ceded control/exclusivity of the Japanese market to Rakuten, meaning AST could not previously sign direct agreements with KDDI, SoftBank, or NTT Docomo.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:11

    He says the J-LEO program's requirement that service be available to every carrier is expected to open the Japanese market to AST, allowing it to earn economics from KDDI, NTT Docomo, and SoftBank users — though probably not from Rakuten itself — a dynamic he thinks the market doesn't fully appreciate.

T-Mobile/SpaceX Acquisition Rumor and Valuation Discussion

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  • Anpanman Rumor 00:37:11

    A listener raised a rumor that SpaceX could acquire T-Mobile, based on a research report; Anpanman initially attributes it to TD Cowen, then corrects himself to say it was Wolf Research, and calls it unfounded, one analyst's own speculative assertion rather than anything real.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:11

    He notes Deutsche Telekom had previously been reducing its T-Mobile stake but reversed course over the last 3-4 years to increase ownership, viewing T-Mobile as strategically important given weaker profitability in the European market.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:11

    If SpaceX did acquire a large carrier like T-Mobile (which he estimates at roughly $95 billion of revenue and $37 billion of EBITDA), he argues SpaceX's valuation would likely get 'derated' toward wireless-carrier multiples (roughly 6-7x EBITDA, maybe a blended ~12x) from its current much higher multiple, since a majority of pro forma revenue and EBITDA would become traditional wireless-carrier economics.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:11

    He compares a hypothetical SpaceX/T-Mobile deal to AOL's acquisition of Time Warner during the dot-com bubble — financially accretive in some ways but ultimately associated with significant value destruction.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:11

    He argues that if Starlink acquired T-Mobile, it would put every Starlink-partnered MNO globally 'on notice' of SpaceX's competitive intent, potentially accelerating adoption of AST SpaceMobile among remaining incumbent carriers.

Managing Space-Sector Volatility, Stock History, and Personal Portfolio

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:46:26

    The stock is around $65 at the time of recording; he recalls it previously bottoming near $63-68, then rallying to $120 in January and to $130 in anticipation of the SpaceX IPO, before the BlueBird 7 (New Glenn) mishap triggered a drawdown.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:46:26

    He discloses his own portfolio is down '8 digits' from its peak, and that out of trading discipline he had trimmed roughly half of his upside trading position ahead of the Blue Origin New Glenn 4 static-fire mishap; he immediately sold his remaining small Robinhood ASTS position when the stock fell from about $130 to $120 on the news, but kept his core, low-cost-basis E*Trade position for long-term capital-gains tax reasons.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:46:26

    He discusses broader macro context — crude oil having round-tripped back to pre-Iran-conflict levels (potentially deflationary) even as the market's Fed outlook has shifted from rate cuts toward possible rate hikes of 25-50 basis points by year end — as part of why high-beta sectors like space have underperformed defensive/cyclical names recently.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:46:26

    In response to a listener question, he says AST will not hit a previously floated target of 45 satellites in orbit by year-end, expecting that milestone more likely in Q1 or Q2 of next year; he attributes the lack of updated public guidance to the company being in active discussions for additional launch capacity and not yet knowing if the eventual count lands around 20, 25, or 30.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:46:26

    Responding to a question about whether the J-LEO award is $1 billion split across multiple companies, he clarifies his understanding that the award goes to one company/joint venture — $1 billion upfront plus ongoing economics — not split among multiple firms.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:46:26

    Asked whether Starlink could preserve data sovereignty simply by using only Japanese gateways, he responds that Starlink owns all of its own gateway infrastructure in every market and has never entered into MNO joint-ownership structures, so architecturally and business-wise it doesn't achieve the same sovereignty as AST's model.

Watch Items6

  • Next batch of BlueBird satellites shipping ahead of launch

    August Anpanman 00:31:26
  • Japan J-LEO program decision (internal Japanese government decision)

    End of June (this month, per the episode) Anpanman 00:07:41
  • EU decision on renewing 2 GHz spectrum (relevant to Satellite Connect Europe's S-band allocation)

    May of next year (2027) Anpanman 00:15:11
  • First SpaceX pre-IPO share lockup expiration

    August Anpanman 00:01:23
  • Antonov cargo plane delivering composite 'donut rings' from India to Midland

    Day of recording Anpanman 00:31:26
  • Target of 45 satellites in orbit by year-end (now expected to slip)

    Previously year-end; Anpanman now expects Q1 or Q2 of next year Anpanman 00:46:26

Open Questions5

  • Will the Rakuten/AST joint venture actually be selected for Japan's J-LEO program?

    Anpanman 00:07:41
  • Will Deutsche Telekom eventually join Satellite Connect Europe alongside the other major European MNOs?

    Anpanman 00:15:11
  • Exactly how will revenue-sharing/leasing economics be split between AST and each regional joint venture (Japan, Europe, etc.) when satellites fly over other regions?

    Anpanman 00:46:26
  • Is there any real substance behind the rumor that SpaceX could acquire T-Mobile, or is it purely one analyst's speculation?

    Anpanman 00:37:11
  • How many satellites will actually be in orbit by year-end, given the company has not updated its previously discussed 45-satellite target?

    Anpanman 00:46:26
2026-06-24 50:30

Anpanman - Why SpaceX Insiders are Shorting $ASTS

Anpanman

Anpanman explains the roughly 49% peak-to-trough drawdown in ASTS (down to about $67.87). He argues it is being driven mainly by SpaceX-related insiders, VCs, and employees using AST SpaceMobile as a proxy short hedge against their locked-up private SpaceX shares ahead of the SpaceX lockup expiration in mid-August.

He says the drawdown was compounded by the late-May Blue Origin New Glenn pad explosion, which derated the whole space sector. He argues this dynamic is temporary and creates 'basis risk' given SpaceX's revenue mix is shifting fast toward terrestrial AI compute leasing rather than pure connectivity.

He closes with bullish updates on Japan's 700 MHz spectrum approval/J-LEO opportunity, Brazil spectrum grants, and the upcoming early-August Block 2 launch.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile stock hit a roughly 49% peak-to-trough drawdown, trading as low as $67.87, which Anpanman attributes largely to SpaceX-related insiders, VCs, and employees using ASTS (and other space names) as a proxy short hedge against their private, lockup-restricted SpaceX holdings.
  • SpaceX employees, executives, and VCs who signed underwriter lockup agreements are legally barred from buying puts on SpaceX itself or otherwise creating a direct short position in SpaceX stock, so those wanting to hedge or monetize ahead of the lockup expiration instead short a basket of public space comps like ASTS, Rocket Lab, Redwire, and Planet.
  • The first SpaceX lockup expiration is expected around August 20, 2026, unlocking 20% of shares outstanding, with an additional 10% unlocking if the stock price holds at a certain level; Anpanman expects the short-hedge trade to start unwinding in the second half of July and into early August as insiders prepare to sell actual SpaceX shares and cover their hedges.
  • By Anpanman's own calculation, net short interest in ASTS has reached all-time highs even as the stock has fallen about 49%: he estimates roughly 23-24 million incremental shares have been shorted since the stock was at $130 (net of convertible-bond arbitrageurs covering an estimated 7 million shares as the stock fell), implying about $2.3-2.4 billion of short exposure used to hedge SpaceX.
  • SpaceX's Q1 2026 revenue was about $3.3 billion (69%) from connectivity/Starlink, $619 million (13%) from space launch and systems, and $818 million (17%) from X/xAI; new short-term compute-leasing deals — Anthropic paying about $1.25 billion/month, Google about $920 million/month, and Reflection AI about $150 million/month (roughly $2.3 billion/month, or about $28 billion annualized) — mean SpaceX's forward revenue could become more than 60% terrestrial AI-compute leasing, which Anpanman says introduces 'basis risk' for anyone shorting space/connectivity names as a pure SpaceX hedge.
  • Japan's telecom regulator (the MIC-equivalent body) approved use of the 700 MHz band — spectrum solely held by Rakuten — for satellite service; combined with the newly announced Rakuten-AST joint venture, Anpanman believes this strongly positions the venture (which he expects to be branded something like 'Satco Japan') to win Japan's J-LEO program, a public-private project worth over $1 billion to build a satellite-based disaster/emergency network akin to the U.S.'s FirstNet.
  • Brazil has approved AST SpaceMobile for commercial satellite service and granted the company 10 MHz by 10 MHz of S-band spectrum at no cost, which Anpanman expects to lead to an MNO joint-venture structure there similar to Europe (Satellite Connect) and the emerging Japan venture.
  • The next AST SpaceX launch, carrying Block 2 BlueBirds 11 through 13, is targeted for the first week of August 2026; Anpanman estimates 4 total SpaceX launches for AST this year and expects the company's prior '45 satellites by year-end' target to slip, likely into Q1 2027, which he says is not a significant setback.

Detailed Discussion7 topics

Sector-wide drawdown and the SpaceX insider hedging thesis

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:26

    AST SpaceMobile has had a roughly 49% peak-to-trough drawdown, with today's low around $67.87; this is a severe drawdown relative to historical ones for the stock.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:26

    The derating across space stocks kicked off at the end of May, triggered by the Blue Origin New Glenn 4 hot-fire test explosion that destroyed Blue Origin's launch pad at SLC-36; since then, positive company-specific news (from AST, Rocket Lab, Planet, etc., including defense contracts) has not moved the stocks.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:26

    Part of the sector weakness reflects liquidity draining out as fast money that had owned space stocks ahead of the SpaceX IPO sold them to buy SpaceX instead; SpaceX has traded as high as about $220 and was recently around $158, and is likely to remain volatile given its public float is only slightly above 5% of the company (after the green shoe was exercised).

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:02:51

    The core hedging thesis originated from conversations with Kook, who has friends/contacts who own SpaceX stock (some via SPVs, some as employees) and had been asking how to hedge their SpaceX exposure.

Mechanics of SpaceX insider/VC hedging via public space stocks

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:02:51

    Passive SpaceX holders in an SPV who are not subject to lockup agreements can legally buy SpaceX puts directly; but employees, executives, and VCs who signed the underwriters' lockup agreement are contractually barred from shorting SpaceX or buying puts/derivatives that create an effective short position in SpaceX stock.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:51

    To hedge or monetize a locked-up SpaceX position, a holder would typically need to establish a relationship with a bank like Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley to get margin/collateral against the private stock (e.g., roughly 30% margin against a $100 million SpaceX position), then use that collateral to short a basket of other space stocks (not SpaceX itself).

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:02:51

    This shows up in Anpanman's tech-banking experience: when executives suddenly become wealthy pre-IPO, banks' high-net-worth groups typically pitch a hedge product that shorts a diversified basket of comparable public names rather than the underlying private stock itself, to avoid idiosyncratic risk in any single name.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:12:29

    AST has taken the brunt of this hedging versus other space names like Rocket Lab, Redwire, and Planet because AST is one of the few pure-play public proxies for SpaceX's connectivity/Starlink business, which is the largest piece of SpaceX's financials; short interest in Rocket Lab has also risen materially (notably around Friday/Monday), but not as much as in AST.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:16

    EchoStar is another popular indirect proxy to short SpaceX given EchoStar's SpaceX stake, but Anpanman cautions the EchoStar sum-of-the-parts arbitrage trade (long EchoStar, short SpaceX to close the valuation gap) is difficult — citing trading discount, liquidity, and tax considerations, plus the historical example of the multi-year Alibaba/Yahoo arbitrage — and says these trades need a clear catalyst or corporate event to unlock value, which is unclear here (also flagging uncertainty about what Charlie Ergen would do with proceeds if SpaceX stock were sold).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:51

    The first SpaceX lockup expiration is expected around August 20, unlocking 20% of total shares outstanding, with a further 10% unlocking if the stock price holds at a certain level; people are expected to start unwinding hedges before that date to get ahead of others doing the same.

Quantifying AST's short interest

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:12:29

    AST's short interest is at all-time highs versus when the stock was near $130 at the end of May, even though the share price has fallen about 49% since then.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:12:29

    There are 4 outstanding convertible bond issuances; the first two have largely been retired, leaving two large tranches of roughly $1.1 billion each. Assuming convert-arb desks hold about 80% of those issuances, they would have had to cover an estimated 7 million shares of their delta-hedge short position as the stock fell from about $130 to about $70.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:12:29

    Because overall net short interest actually grew despite convert-arb covering, Anpanman estimates outright shorts/hedgers have added about 23-24 million shares short since the $130 top — roughly $2.3 billion of hedge notional at an assumed average price of $100 — a figure he says is consistent with sophisticated SpaceX holders hedging via a basket of comps.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:12:29

    Ideally this hedging is done via a diversified basket to avoid idiosyncratic risk, but in practice AST has taken an outsized share of the hedging; more recently the hedging appears to be broadening to other names too (e.g., Rocket Lab down about 9% on the day discussed).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:12:29

    Anpanman views the short position as temporary — once insiders' SpaceX shares unlock and are sold, the hedges should be covered (unless holders have an independent bearish view on space names), which he sees as a coming positive catalyst.

SpaceX's shifting revenue mix and 'basis risk' for space-stock shorts

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:08:16

    SpaceX's Q1 2026 revenue breakdown: connectivity (Starlink) about $3.3 billion or 69%; space launch and systems about $619 million or 13%; X and xAI about $818 million or 17%.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:08:16

    SpaceX has signed new short-term (terminable within about 90 days) compute-leasing deals: Anthropic paying about $1.25 billion/month, Google paying about $920 million/month, and Reflection AI paying about $150 million/month — roughly $2.3 billion/month combined, or about $28 billion annualized — versus SpaceX's full-year 2025 revenue of roughly $19 billion (mostly space systems and xAI).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:16

    Anpanman estimates that going forward, over 60% of 'new SpaceX's' revenue could come from leasing compute infrastructure (apparently built originally for xAI) rather than from space/connectivity, meaning SpaceX is becoming more of a terrestrial data-center company than a pure space company, at least for now.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:16:52

    This shift introduces 'basis risk' for anyone shorting a basket of space names purely to hedge SpaceX connectivity exposure: a sophisticated hedger should arguably reallocate roughly 60% of their short basket into compute/data-center names (e.g., IREN, NBIS, MARA, CoreWeave) and only about 40% into space names like AST, Rocket Lab, and Firefly, but Anpanman says the relative price action suggests this reallocation has not really happened yet, or has only occurred gradually.

Japan: 700 MHz approval and the J-LEO opportunity

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:23:11

    Japan's telecom regulator (MIC) approved specific 700 MHz spectrum bands — solely owned by Rakuten — for satellite/direct-to-cell use; historically regulators resisted allowing satellites to use terrestrial cellular spectrum over interference concerns, which AST's large phased arrays are designed to avoid.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:30

    Combined with the AST-Rakuten joint venture announced the prior day, Anpanman believes today's 700 MHz approval strongly positions the venture (which he expects will be branded something like 'Satco Japan') for Japan's J-LEO contract, a public-private partnership allocating over $1 billion of Japanese government capital to build a satellite backup network functioning as Japan's equivalent of the U.S.'s FirstNet, addressing risks like earthquakes, tsunamis, and potential conflict-driven network outages.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:11

    Anpanman argues AST has a decisive architectural edge over Starlink for J-LEO because AST's system works with existing, unmodified phones already in the hands of Japan's (including elderly) population, and because low-band spectrum penetrates rubble/buildings far better than the mid-band spectrum Starlink's satellites use — citing an earthquake/building-collapse scenario as the clearest illustration.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:30

    An internal J-LEO decision is expected around the end of June, with the winning bidder likely made public in July or August; Anpanman speculates the result could leak via Japanese reporters (e.g., Nikkei) before an official announcement, and jokingly suggests watching Abel Avellan's demeanor at the upcoming launch as a possible tell.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:30

    A formal Rakuten-AST JV announcement (i.e., a full commercial unveiling) is not expected until either AST/Rakuten win the J-LEO project or get closer to commercial service; the regulator is expected to revisit today's 700 MHz approval at a meeting in September, which may be when formal commercial-service approval and a bigger JV announcement follow.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:30

    Rakuten and AST have reportedly been testing service using SoftBank's spectrum, which Anpanman reads as a signal that SoftBank is likely to eventually join the joint venture; he expects other Japanese carriers (SoftBank, NTT Docomo, and possibly even KDDI) to defect from their current Starlink partnerships and join the Rakuten/AST venture over time, partly because Japanese users have given Starlink poor reviews and because emergency-network law may require interoperability during a terrestrial network outage.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:25:30

    As part of J-LEO's domestic-industry support angle, AST (per prior comments from Abel Avellan in Q3 of last year) has been in talks with Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, whose H3 rocket in its heaviest configuration could carry roughly 3 BlueBirds to LEO; Anpanman suggests J-LEO government funding could subsidize AST launches on a Japanese vehicle, an option not really available to SpaceX/Starlink.

Brazil and other international expansion

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:31:33

    AST recently received approval to operate commercial service in Brazil and was granted 10 MHz by 10 MHz of S-band (MSS) spectrum at no cost.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:31:33

    Anpanman expects a similar joint-venture structure to emerge in Brazil, likely centered on 1-2 key MNOs who would then invite other Brazilian carriers to join, contributing additional low-band spectrum to complement AST's existing S-band grant; he notes AST has been hiring employees in Brazil, consistent with this expansion.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:31:33

    Anpanman frames the emerging pattern (Europe's Satellite Connect, an unnamed U.S. venture, and Japan/Brazil) as AST building regional joint ventures market by market.

Launch schedule, production, and other Q&A topics

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:18

    BlueBirds 11 through 13 are close to complete; the next SpaceX launch is expected in the first week of August, which Anpanman says matches AST's own due diligence despite some investor hope for a July launch.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:18

    Anpanman estimates 4 total SpaceX (or equivalent) launches for AST this year, including the upcoming one, implying roughly one launch every 1.25 months for the rest of the year depending on production; he expects the company may announce additional SpaceX launches, plus new launch agreements with ULA, Relativity, and MHI (Mitsubishi Heavy Industries), and possibly Ariane.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:18

    The prior '45 satellites by year-end' target is not going to happen this year, in Anpanman's view; he expects the milestone to shift to around March or April of next year, which he characterizes as not a big deal, with Blue Origin's New Glenn expected to resume launches for AST once it completes roughly 2-3 successful commercial missions after fixing its pad (hoped for around December).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:18

    The T-Mobile/Starlink deal is believed to be ending this month or next month, though Anpanman doesn't expect T-Mobile to fully abandon Starlink immediately; he thinks an AST-T-Mobile arrangement could be announced a few months out, but notes the AST/MNO joint-venture structure (which would enable T-Mobile to work with AST) has not yet gone definitive.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:18

    On the recent AWS-3 spectrum license auction (remaining licenses), Anpanman guesses a single primary bidder purchased most licenses and speculates it was likely AT&T given its relatively lower mid-band exposure; he flags that if SpaceX itself had bought the licenses, that would be a notable signal underscoring MNOs' need to partner with AST to counter SpaceX's move into terrestrial spectrum.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:39:18

    Anpanman references a reported Starlink pitch to the U.S. Department of War for direct-to-cell connectivity to Iranian citizens, allegedly involving a $500 million upfront fee and about $100 million per month ongoing — which he questions on technical grounds since Starlink satellites don't work with existing, unmodified phones the way AST's do.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:39:18

    Anpanman discloses he still holds his leveraged ASTX ETF position (a relatively small position versus his core AST holding), noting he built it up in AST's $60s range earlier at an ASTX price near $23-24, sold before the run to $133, and has been adding again on the recent decline; he notes ASTX has fallen to about $17 now (versus ~$25 the last time AST was in the mid-$60s), illustrating leveraged-ETF compounding losses on a one-way move down, and cautions listeners against trading on margin and against treating options as anything other than money that should be mentally written off.

Watch Items6

  • First SpaceX lockup expiration, unlocking 20% of shares outstanding (with a further 10% possible if price holds at a certain level)

    Around August 20 Anpanman 00:02:51
  • Next AST SpaceX launch carrying Block 2 BlueBirds 11-13

    First week of August Anpanman 00:39:18
  • Japan J-LEO project bidder decision (internal decision, then public announcement)

    Internal decision around end of June; public announcement expected in July or August Anpanman 00:25:30
  • Japanese regulator revisiting today's 700 MHz approval toward full commercial-service authorization

    A meeting expected in September Anpanman 00:25:30
  • T-Mobile's existing Starlink deal expiring, opening a potential path to an AST arrangement

    Ending this month or next month Anpanman 00:39:18
  • Company update on the '45 satellites' production/launch milestone

    Previously targeted for year-end; Anpanman expects a shift to around March/April of next year Anpanman 00:39:18

Open Questions5

  • Will the AST-Rakuten joint venture win Japan's J-LEO contract, and who will be revealed as the winning bidder?

    Anpanman 00:25:30
  • Are SpaceX insiders/VCs already sophisticated enough to be reallocating their hedges away from pure space names into AI-compute names (IREN, NBIS, MARA, CoreWeave) given SpaceX's revenue-mix shift, or is that reallocation still lagging?

    Anpanman 00:16:52
  • Which other Japanese carriers (SoftBank, NTT Docomo, possibly KDDI) will ultimately join the Rakuten/AST joint venture, and will Rakuten permit them to join?

    Anpanman 00:25:30
  • Did SpaceX itself participate in and win any of the recently auctioned AWS-3 spectrum licenses, which would signal SpaceX's ambitions to move into terrestrial spectrum?

    Anpanman 00:39:18
  • Will AST and T-Mobile reach a definitive commercial agreement once T-Mobile's Starlink deal winds down, and when will the broader AST MNO joint-venture structure go definitive?

    Anpanman 00:39:18
2026-06-23 22:52

Kook - Decoding Abel Avellan's 2.5 Million Share Strategy

Kook

Kook fills in solo after Anpanman failed to show up to host the scheduled X Space. He breaks down the regulatory filing showing Abel Avellan executed a second prepaid forward contract for 2.5 million shares, following an identical 2.5 million share tranche in late 2024.

He explains the put-call collar mechanics and argues it's estate-planning/liquidity management rather than a bearish signal from the CEO.

Kook frames the same-day Citigroup hedging-driven selling as a likely 'market clearing event' for ASTS sentiment. He contrasts Avellan's non-dilutive, no-salary compensation philosophy favorably against stock sell-offs by executives at other space companies (Intuitive Machines, Rocket Lab).

The headline conclusion: this is not insider selling and should not be read as Avellan lacking conviction in the stock.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile CEO Abel Avellan executed a second 'prepaid forward' transaction covering 2.5 million shares, following an identical 2.5 million share tranche he did in late 2024, bringing his total shares tied up in these structures to 5 million out of his roughly 78 million total shares owned.
  • Kook explains a prepaid forward as effectively a margin loan against stock that is hedged with a costless put-call collar (buying a put, selling a call), letting Avellan access liquidity without an outright stock sale and without exposing himself to a margin call.
  • Avellan does not take a salary and has taken only modest stock compensation from AST SpaceMobile, arguing that paying himself in cash or heavy stock grants would be dilutive to shareholders since the company isn't yet cash-flow positive; his personal wealth comes almost entirely from ASTS share price appreciation.
  • Kook believes Citigroup, as the counterparty, would have needed to sell ASTS stock same-day to hedge its side of the collar, and thinks this hedging-driven selling contributed to unusual weakness in the stock that day, positioning it as a possible sentiment 'clearing event.'
  • Kook views the timing as considerate: Avellan did the transaction after the successful Block 1 BlueBird launch and after the New Glenn pad explosion news had passed, rather than at the stock's prior all-time highs, which Kook reads as a sign of respect toward retail shareholders.
  • If ASTS shares rise sharply before the roughly one-year structure expires and Avellan does not roll the position, the 2.5 million shares would be delivered to the counterparties at the upper strike price, which would then constitute an actual sale of his stock.
  • Kook contrasts Avellan's approach favorably with other space/SpaceTech executives, citing large insider stock sales at Intuitive Machines and a roughly $100 million stock sale by Rocket Lab's CFO, calling AST SpaceMobile's executive compensation alignment 'top-tier' corporate governance comparable to Jeff Bezos's early Amazon approach.
  • Kook notes he personally checked with brokers and stock-loan data and observed ASTS trading volume normalizing after the initial reaction, suggesting the intensity of the selling pressure was easing.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

Setup: Anpanman absent, Kook hosting solo

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  • Kook Untagged 00:00:27

    Kook says he was waiting for Anpanman to launch his usual Spaces session, and when Anpanman didn't show up, joked he must be dead, so Kook decided to pick up the mantle and host the discussion himself.

What is a prepaid forward contract

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  • Kook Speculation 00:01:10

    Kook recalls that when ASTS first gapped up (he believes in 2024), he faced a large short-term capital gains tax bill and considered a prepaid forward with his private bankers, but ultimately did not do it — a decision he's glad about since the stock later rose from around $40 to around $70 at time of recording (noting he views the current price as a temporary drawdown from a higher 'real' value).

  • Kook Untagged 00:02:49

    Kook explains the mechanics: a prepaid forward is like taking a margin loan against a stock position, but to avoid margin-call risk you 'collar' the position by buying a protective put and selling a call at a higher strike, funding the put with the premium from the call so the hedge is costless; this boxes the position from the broker's risk perspective while providing cash today.

  • Kook Untagged 00:04:47

    The downside of this structure is that if the stock price rises a lot, you regret having done it because you'd have preferred to keep the unhedged stock; but ignoring taxes, it's still better than an outright sale since the sold call's strike price is higher than the price at the time the structure was put on.

Abel Avellan's specific transaction and share counts

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:05:something~00:06:12

    Avellan did a prepaid forward for 2.5 million shares in late 2024, and has now done it again for an additional 2.5 million shares, bringing the total in these prepaid forward vehicles to 5 million shares out of his roughly 78 million total ASTS shares owned (leaving about 73 million shares uncollateralized/unencumbered).

  • Kook Speculation 00:06:12

    Kook says exact put and call strike prices for the new transaction are not yet known, but could be reverse-engineered on Bloomberg to find strikes that net out to approximately $0 cost.

  • Kook Speculation 00:07:49

    Kook states this is 'absolutely not a CEO selling out' — Avellan has not actually sold shares; he would only part with the 2.5 million collared shares if the stock price rises well above the call strike by expiry and he chooses not to roll the position again.

Abel's non-dilutive compensation philosophy

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  • Kook Speculation 00:04:47

    Avellan takes no salary from AST SpaceMobile — paying himself cash would require issuing shares to fund it since the company lacks positive cash flow, and would therefore be dilutive; he also takes only a modest amount of stock compensation. His true 'income' comes from the wealth generated by his stock ownership as founder, monetized periodically via structures like this prepaid forward rather than via company-paid compensation.

Citigroup hedging, transaction timing, and market impact

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  • Kook Speculation 00:06:12

    Kook believes that when Avellan's prior 2.5 million share prepaid forward was disclosed, it was also executed the same day, because pre-announcing such a structure would let the market front-run the hedging flow; he assumes with '99% probability' the new transaction was also executed on the day it was disclosed, which he believes explains unusual weakness in ASTS that day even though it outperformed other space stocks.

  • Kook Speculation 00:06:12

    Kook notes the timing is coming up against an approaching quarter-end blackout period (exact blackout dates unknown to him) during which a CEO typically cannot transact, which he believes factored into the timing.

  • Kook Speculation 00:07:49

    Kook praises Avellan for not executing this transaction at the stock's prior all-time highs (ahead of the recent launch and before the New Glenn pad explosion), calling the chosen timing — after a successful Block 1 BlueBird launch — a 'gentleman's move' and an expression of respect toward retail shareholders.

  • Kook Speculation 00:11:02

    Kook frames the combination of a panicked/rock-bottom sentiment environment plus this hedging-driven selling as a possible 'market clearing event' for ASTS, and says he was personally adding to his position today using a strategy he calls 'Torques' (selling a put spread to buy an out-of-the-money call), though he held back from full size to think it over further.

Rolling call options and expiry mechanics

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  • Kook Speculation 00:10:17

    Kook draws a parallel to his own experience selling covered calls last September that got deep in-the-money after the stock ran through $100, forcing him to repeatedly roll the calls to avoid assignment; he expects Avellan will have similar 'avenues' to roll his structure, likely expiring in about one year's time.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:17

    If the stock price rises too far above the call strike (using a hypothetical example of the stock at $250 against a made-up $95 strike), it becomes very hard to roll the call, and the structure would settle by delivering the 2.5 million shares to the counterparties at the upper strike band — which would then represent an actual sale of Avellan's stock at that time.

Sentiment, the 'kook bottom,' and stock lending/float observations

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  • Kook Speculation 00:12:27

    Kook describes very negative retail sentiment ('the kook bottom') and notes ASTS often trades inversely to SpaceX-related news/sentiment; he has been checking with brokers on stock-loan flow and observed ASTS trading volumes starting to normalize, which he interprets as selling intensity coming down.

  • Kook Speculation 00:13:02

    Kook says he personally is 'fully lent out' on his own ASTS shares (owning a portion of the float below the 13G disclosure threshold) and uses that information about short positioning to inform his trading, refusing to sell while he knows shorts haven't covered.

  • Kook Speculation 00:15:32

    Kook credits an X account 'Reformed Trader' for good work identifying turning points, and says they had been discussing that today or tomorrow would likely mark the bottom even before knowing about Avellan's transaction.

  • Kook Speculation 00:15:32

    Kook recounts a lesson from a former Pequot Capital portfolio manager (he recalls the name as possibly 'Arthur Pettit,' expressing uncertainty about the exact name) that 'bad news travels in packs,' and applies this framework to argue that a rock-bottom sentiment environment plus Avellan's filing together represent the kind of clearing event he looks for.

  • Kook Speculation 00:15:32

    Kook says he did not expect the New Glenn pad explosion and feared it would 'suck the energy' out of the market for space stocks, but chose not to trade around that fear since he doesn't trade his core position; he now views the combination of events as a 'complete reset' and is 'setting up for an exciting summer.'

Comparison to governance at other companies

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  • Kook Speculation 00:18:02

    Kook contrasts Avellan's behavior with 'enormous stock sales' by executives at Intuitive Machines ('the Lunar guys') and a roughly $100 million stock sale by Rocket Lab's CFO, saying the latter would scare him if he saw it from AST SpaceMobile management, even though it didn't stop Rocket Lab's stock.

  • Kook Speculation 00:18:02

    Kook likens Avellan's compensation philosophy — foregoing stock grants because he already owns enough — to Jeff Bezos's approach at early Amazon, calling it a top-class corporate governance model and saying this alignment gave him extra confidence in what was a risky, and is increasingly a de-risked, investment.

  • Kook Speculation 00:18:02

    Kook says that if he ever saw 'piggy' executive behavior at AST SpaceMobile, it would turn him off and could make him reconsider his position sizing, but that so far governance and executive alignment have been top-tier on the issues he cares about most.

Personal financial/estate-planning framing and closing remarks

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  • Kook Speculation 00:21:27

    Kook estimates Avellan's stock holdings at roughly '$7 billion... $4, whatever it is, $5 billion' worth (garbled/uncertain figure), and argues that owning that much concentrated, illiquid stock creates real tax and estate-planning complexity, justifying a need for some liquidity via structures like the prepaid forward.

  • Kook Untagged 00:21:27

    Kook says he was personally working on his own trust and estate planning that same day and empathizes with the type of liquidity/estate-tax-exemption planning conversations Avellan is likely having with his bankers, though Kook says these structures aren't right for his own situation and he can achieve similar things on his own.

  • Kook Untagged 00:21:27

    Kook closes by reiterating that if listeners are long-term investors this context should be reassuring, but that short-term traders 'are on the wrong call' since he can't help them; he signs off expecting continued volatility overnight.

Watch Items2

  • Expiry/rolling decision on Abel Avellan's newest 2.5 million share prepaid forward structure

    Kook estimates roughly one year from the transaction (spitballing) Kook 00:10:17
  • Approaching corporate quarter-end blackout period restricting further CEO stock transactions

    Unspecified exact dates, described as coming up soon Kook 00:06:12

Open Questions3

  • What are the exact put and call strike prices on Abel Avellan's new prepaid forward structure?

    Kook 00:06:12
  • What are the exact blackout period dates governing when the CEO can transact in ASTS stock?

    Kook 00:06:12
  • Was the new prepaid forward actually executed the same day it was disclosed, as Kook assumes with '99% probability'?

    Kook 00:06:12
2026-06-23 44:54

Kook's Weekly - The Japanese Billions and the FirstNet Future

Kook

In this solo 'Kook's Weekly' episode, published the same day as the successful Falcon 9 launch of BlueBirds 8, 9, and 10, Kook recaps the SpaceMob community's Orlando launch trip and tribute to the late early investor Steve Larison.

He then digs into the technical and business implications of the launch: confirmed correct orbital insertion, a scaled-up production queue (BlueBirds 11-37), and a major satellite weight reduction from composite-casing improvements.

He also covers recurring FirstNet references in FCC filings, speculative 'data bird' power-platform theories, the Japan J-LEO subsidy opportunity, and Blue Origin's New Glenn hot-fire test. He adds heavy short-interest pressure on ASTS, which he attributes to investors hedging private SpaceX stakes.

His headline conclusion is that the team ('the jockey') has repeatedly solved engineering problems critics called impossible, and that current negative sentiment looks like a pre-snapback low ahead of Russell 2000 inclusion and further catalysts.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook confirms the recent BlueBird launch inserted the satellites into the correct orbit, a contrast implicitly drawn with a prior launch's orbit issue, and says orbit has been independently confirmed by an outside astrophysics professor tracking the satellites.
  • AST SpaceMobile has disclosed BlueBirds 11 through 37 are now in production, with BlueBirds 11, 12, and 13 in final prep to ship; this is four more satellites added to the queue since the last update, which had run through BlueBird 32.
  • Kook believes (his own guess, not company-stated) that the next batch of BlueBirds could ship in the first week of July, with a resulting launch he estimates around August, though he notes he habitually pushes his own launch-date guess back a month.
  • A third-party analysis by 'Kevin Chen' estimates each BlueBird adds 20-30 minutes of daily coverage in key markets, meaning three satellites add roughly 60-90 minutes; the analysis projects initial non-continuous consumer beta service at 20-25 satellites and continuous coverage in key markets at 45-60 satellites.
  • A new composite/carbon-fiber casing design has reduced satellite mass from about 6.5 tons on the FM1/FM2 (BlueBird 6/7) satellites down to roughly 4 tons on newer builds, which Kook says meaningfully improves launch economics by allowing more phased-array square footage per pound of cargo in a fixed launch fairing.
  • Kook flags recurring FCC filing language naming FirstNet alongside AT&T and Verizon as an ASTS MNO partner as evidence a FirstNet commercial deal is coming, and speculates (his own guess) it could be worth roughly $1 billion a year in usage and subscription revenue.
  • Kook raises speculative interest in a Japan 'J-LEO' government subsidy program (a roughly billion-dollar Ministry of Internal Affairs incentive for operators bringing D2D satellite constellations under Japanese management), pointing to circumstantial signals — AST's new APAC head being based in Tokyo, a former NEC employee, and speculation about a Mitsubishi Heavy H3 rocket agreement — as reasons AST could be positioning for a Japan-specific sovereign play, while cautioning this is pure speculation not yet reflected in the stock price.
  • A guest counterpoint from 'Alex D' argues MDA (Missile Defense Agency-adjacent satellite maker, referenced as a paper-constellation supplier) may have a legitimate shot at winning Japan business instead of AST, though Kook is skeptical of MDA's technology and unit economics for a Japan-only constellation.
  • Kook says ASTS shares are 'max lent out' (fully utilized for short borrowing) and attributes much of this to investors who hold large private SpaceX stakes hedging that exposure by shorting ASTS and other space-adjacent names, rather than bearishness on AST's own fundamentals.
  • Kook expects this hedging pressure to ease as SpaceX-related liquidity events settle and as ASTS's pending Russell 2000 index inclusion changes the stock's liquidity dynamics, and describes current sentiment as a possible capitulation low ('Kook Bottom') ahead of a rebound.

Detailed Discussion13 topics

Launch week recap and SpaceMob community

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  • Kook Untagged 00:01:38

    Kook describes flying to Orlando with roughly 20 SpaceMob community members for a self-hosted 2:38-2:39 AM launch viewing event, calling it remarkable that a public company has an almost 'Grateful Dead'-like fan following, and crediting SpaceMob's retail thought leaders (not the company itself, which he says doesn't 'pump' its own story) for building understanding of the opportunity.

  • Kook Untagged 00:03:45

    Kook and the group visited the burial site of Steve Larison, an early ASTS investor with no family, in a gesture organized by Anpanman; Kook recounts that Larison had previously sold Amazon stock early in the 2000s and vowed never to sell 'the big one' on a pop again, riding AST SpaceMobile to the end instead.

  • Kook Untagged 00:06:00

    Kook credits the early COVID-era dialogue between Steve Larison (a software engineer with a defense-industry background) and 'Katzi' (strong on the mechanical/antenna-unfolding side) as the two pieces of subject-matter expertise needed to understand AST's technology, with Kook and Anpanman positioning themselves as amplifiers rather than technical experts.

Launch outcome and satellite production scaling

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:07:19

    Kook says the recent Falcon 9 launch inserted the satellites into the correct orbit this time, thanks SpaceX, and notes the satellites were locked down (TT&C link established) within minutes rather than the hours that can sometimes be required, calling this evidence of a robust platform and a 'high 100%' launch hit rate absent launch-vehicle error.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:07:19

    Orbit and detumbling status has been independently confirmed via an outside tracker Kook calls 'the Harvard professor' (an astrophysicist who tracks the satellites), corroborating Katzi's own bird-watching/tracking analysis.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:07:46

    The company disclosed BlueBirds 11 through 37 are now in production, with BlueBirds 11, 12, and 13 in final prep to ship — four more satellites added to the pipeline since the last update, which had run through BlueBird 32.

  • Kook Speculation 00:07:46

    Kook believes (his own guess) that the next batch of BlueBirds could ship the first week of July, and thinks the market isn't focused on delivery cadence because it's still fixated on launch-vehicle availability, when satellites leaving the facility for launch is actually the best test of both launch-vehicle access and operational cadence; he believes ASTS has at least 5 Falcon 9 launches lined up in succession.

  • Kook Speculation 00:11:17

    Citing a third-party analysis by 'Kevin Chen,' Kook says each BlueBird adds 20-30 minutes of daily coverage in key markets, so 3 satellites add 60-90 minutes; 20-25 satellites would enable initial non-continuous coverage with some consumer beta service, and 45-60 satellites would deliver continuous coverage in key markets — contrasted with Starlink's model needing hundreds of much smaller satellites.

Investing psychology and moonbags

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  • Kook Speculation 00:12:38

    Kook reflects on the tendency to get bored or anxious with a slow-moving growth stock and sell too early, describing his own past mistake of selling covered calls and only capturing 30% gains before a stock re-rated sharply higher; he credits a retail acquaintance ('Littrell Spackwell') with teaching him to keep a 'moonbag' position for asymmetric upside scenarios.

  • Kook Speculation 00:12:38

    As an example of a moonbag-worthy idea, Kook mentions he owns Horizon Quantum (ticker HQ), a roughly $500 million market cap company (his figure), acquired partly by being lazy about selling after Anpanman and 'Tutte' sold their positions.

"Competition for the internet" investment thesis

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  • Kook Speculation 00:14:39

    Kook explains his long-running personal joke/thesis that ASTS represents 'competition for the internet,' an idea he jokingly conceived with a friend in high school in the 1990s, and which he sees Elon Musk having realized with Starlink at an implied valuation of roughly $2 trillion (his figure); he argues AST SpaceMobile represents his chance to invest in a similarly transformative, low-friction consumer satellite connectivity business.

Engineering: composite casing and weight reduction

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:16:47

    Kook says the satellites' carbon-fiber support rings have load-bearing capacity comparable to supporting the Statue of Liberty or a 747, and credits the company with solving what critics ('FUDsters') correctly identified as an extraordinarily difficult carbon-fiber casing engineering challenge, even though those critics wrongly assumed it was unsolvable.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:16:47

    The new composite casing reduces satellite mass from about 6.5 tons on FM1/FM2 (BlueBirds 6 and 7) down to roughly 4 tons on newer builds, which Kook says dramatically improves constellation economics by allowing more phased-array square footage to be launched per pound of cargo in a fixed-capacity fairing.

"Jockey versus horse" investment thesis

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  • Kook Speculation 00:19:15

    Kook articulates his belief that the biggest investment returns come from betting on the management team ('the jockey') rather than the specific current technology ('the horse'), arguing AST SpaceMobile's leadership has repeatedly solved engineering problems (like the casing redesign) that go far beyond what he understood to be possible when he first invested.

Speculation on "data birds" and NSA-linked hiring

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  • Kook Speculation 00:21:09

    Kook speculates — explicitly labeling it pure speculation — that AST may be developing dedicated on-orbit power-generation satellites ('data birds'), floating the idea that AST could act as an independent power platform provider hosting other companies' payloads rather than selling connectivity itself for those satellites.

  • Kook Rumor 00:21:09

    Kook cites a community member's find of a junior software developer job posting for a joint Nokia/ASTS project stating 'due to NSA requirements, sponsorship will not be offered,' taking it as a signal of a government/defense-linked project.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:09

    Citing commentary from 'Reform Trader' and 'Chris Knight,' Kook notes the batch-one launch press release specifically highlighted the satellites' 'high power generation in orbit,' which he interprets as an intentional signal (a 'Scott move') hinting that dedicated power/data-bird satellites are coming, since power itself isn't the RF connectivity product AST normally sells.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:09

    Kook mentions that 'Decatzee' has decoded new symbolism on the mission patches (an 'ACE' / Non-Terrestrial Network reference, following a prior patch with MILNET in Morse code), consistent with AST's previously disclosed non-communication use cases.

Regulatory filings and FirstNet

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  • Kook Speculation 00:22:31

    Kook references research shared by Anpanman on a reported joint venture among AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile (announced in May, per Kook, exact date not given), speculating the arrangement is structured to satisfy antitrust/FTC requirements (separate individual contracts, no price-fixing) and may function as a mechanism to box out SpaceX — which Kook argues would indirectly benefit AST SpaceMobile.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:22:31

    Kook notes that an FCC docket has once again (he says for the '568th time') named ASTS as providing additional capacity and coverage for AT&T, Verizon, and FirstNet as MNO partners in a routine regulatory filing.

  • Kook Speculation 00:22:31

    Kook says he still doesn't know the specific structure of an eventual FirstNet commercial deal, but his strongest guess is that it could represent roughly $1 billion a year in revenue through usage and subscription agreements.

Japan J-LEO subsidy and sovereign constellation strategy

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  • Kook Speculation 00:26:18

    Kook introduces Japan's 'J-LEO' program from the Ministry of Internal Affairs as a roughly billion-dollar subsidy for operators bringing direct-to-device satellite constellations under Japanese management, and speculates AST could be positioning to win it given its existing Rakuten partnership and the Connect Europe/SatCo sovereign-JV model as a template.

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:18

    Kook argues AST's new head of APAC business development being based in Tokyo (a former NEC employee, NEC being AST's key Micron manufacturing partner) only makes sense if a bigger Japan opportunity is in play, since he characterizes AST's existing Rakuten commercial contract (from the Series B) as a weak deal that gave away the service component in exchange for capital.

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:18

    Kook mentions speculation (attributed to community 'cards flipping into place,' including a point from Anpanman) around a possible AST agreement with Mitsubishi Heavy for the H3 launch vehicle, framed as building Japanese local content and value chain to support a Japan-sovereign constellation narrative.

  • Kook Speculation 00:26:18

    Kook cautions this entire Japan J-LEO thread is speculative, was not previously on his radar, and is unlikely to be priced into the stock; he says if AST does not win it, he doesn't think it matters much, but winning would be a positive surprise.

MDA counterpoint and European constellation efforts

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  • Kook Disagreement 00:29:48

    A community member, 'Alex D,' offered a counterpoint that MDA (described by Kook as a satellite-building supplier to parties pursuing 'paper constellations') may have a legitimate shot at winning Japan business instead of AST; Kook is skeptical, citing MDA's track record as a third-party prime with different incentives and questioning the economics of a Japan-only dedicated constellation versus a global one with built-in sovereignty controls.

  • Kook Speculation 00:29:48

    Kook discusses Europe's competing sovereign satellite effort (the IRIS2-style constellation involving Eutelsat, SES, and Hispasat), describing it as burdened by 'pork complexity' from having to satisfy multiple national governments (e.g., France, Italy), and notes SpaceX has criticized the EU's plan for distributing 2 GHz satellite spectrum.

  • Kook Speculation 00:29:48

    Kook argues Vodafone/AST have effectively already found a 'fast track' sovereign model in Europe (via legal structuring so the JV is treated as sovereign) and suggests the same approach should be repeatable in Japan.

Blue Origin / New Glenn

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:33:03

    Kook describes watching a 41-minute New Glenn engine hot-fire test in full, calling the duration a sign Blue Origin (under CEO David Limp) has serious engine technology, comparing it to redlining a car engine for 41 minutes straight.

  • Kook Rumor 00:33:03

    Kook relays an unverified account from an anonymous source he calls a 'space barber' that the recent New Glenn mishap was caused by a software issue failing to cut off a sensor detecting a liquid oxygen problem, rather than a flaw in the rocket's underlying architecture.

Market sentiment, short interest, and hedging dynamics

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  • Kook Speculation 00:35:21

    Kook says ASTS shares are effectively 'max lent out' (every available share borrowed for short-selling), which he attributes largely to investors with large private SpaceX holdings hedging that exposure by shorting ASTS (and similar names like Rocket Lab) rather than to bearishness on AST's own fundamentals.

  • Kook Speculation 00:35:21

    Kook compares the current SpaceX-hedging dynamic to Goldman Sachs partners setting up funds specifically to short Goldman stock around its IPO as a workaround to trading restrictions, and predicts that as SpaceX-linked liquidity events resolve and people cover lazy/basis-mismatched short positions, ASTS could see a sharp squeeze-like move higher, especially heading into a period of low summer liquidity and pending Russell 2000 inclusion.

  • Kook Speculation 00:39:29

    Kook describes his own sentiment as currently 'crap' / a possible 'Kook Bottom' capitulation low, similar to a feeling he had a few weeks earlier when the stock was in the 80s just before it ran to the 90s and 100s, and says this dynamic often precedes a rebound ('snapback').

  • Kook Speculation 00:39:29

    Kook expects the first week of July and summer generally to be historically strong periods for ASTS, and reiterates his guess that the next BlueBird shipment/launch could occur around August, while cautioning he habitually pushes his own launch estimates back a month.

Community and closing remarks

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  • Kook Untagged 00:39:29

    Kook thanks the SpaceMob community for attending the launch event, singles out Katzi and the late Steve Larison for their contributions to the community's technical understanding, and also credits 'Spack Torrey,' a former U.S. Army signal intelligence officer and early mentor he calls 'Katzi 1.0,' who is no longer invested but helped him learn about the company early on.

  • Kook Speculation 00:39:29

    Kook restates that his goal isn't just building community but achieving a 10x to 20x return on his ASTS investment from current levels.

Watch Items5

  • Next BlueBird batch shipment from Midland

    Kook's guess: first week of July Kook 00:07:46
  • Next BlueBird launch

    Kook's guess: around August (he notes he habitually pushes his own estimate back a month) Kook 00:39:29
  • Russell 2000 index inclusion

    Described as 'about to happen,' no specific date given Kook 00:35:21
  • Potential FirstNet commercial agreement

    No timing given ('we'll get a deal when we get a deal') Kook 00:22:31
  • Japan J-LEO subsidy program outcome / possible AST involvement

    No specific date given in this episode Kook 00:26:18

Open Questions6

  • Is AST SpaceMobile actually positioning to win Japan's J-LEO subsidy program, or is the Tokyo-based APAC hire and Mitsubishi Heavy H3 speculation unrelated to any real bid?

    Kook 00:26:18
  • Will MDA instead win the Japan opportunity, and if so, can a Japan-only dedicated constellation even be economically viable given Japan's small geographic footprint?

    Kook 00:29:48
  • Are 'data bird' power-generation satellites a real, distinct product line, and if so, would AST sell RF connectivity, or act as an independent power platform hosting other companies' payloads?

    Kook 00:21:09
  • What will the structure and value of an eventual FirstNet commercial agreement actually look like?

    Kook 00:22:31
  • Will the reported AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture pass FTC scrutiny, and does it function to box out SpaceX in a way that benefits AST SpaceMobile?

    Kook 00:22:31
  • Will SpaceX-related hedging pressure on ASTS shares ease as private SpaceX liquidity events resolve, or does the correlation persist?

    Kook 00:35:21
2026-06-23 59:59

Anpanman - August Launch Confirmed - The Billion Dollar Race to First Service

Anpanman

Anpanman delivers a solo update on AST SpaceMobile, leading with breaking news that BlueBirds 11, 12, and 13 are confirmed to launch in the first half of August 2026 on a SpaceX Falcon 9.

He covers Abel Avellan's small collar transaction, a broader market selloff tied to an Asian memory-chip rout, and near-record ASTS short interest with the setup for a potential squeeze around SpaceX's August lockup expiration.

He closes with a deep dive into why he believes the new Rakuten 50/50 joint venture ('Satellite Connect Japan') positions AST to win Japan's ¥148 billion J-LEO direct-to-device subsidy program over Starlink.

His headline conclusion: the stock has likely bottomed for now, and AST is structurally favored to win J-LEO due to sovereignty, low-band spectrum, and unmodified-phone compatibility advantages Starlink lacks.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile confirmed (news broke on Bloomberg first) that BlueBirds 11, 12, and 13 will launch in the first half of August 2026 on a SpaceX Falcon 9, continuing the Block 2 satellite buildout toward commercial direct-to-device service.
  • Real-time ASTS short interest hit an all-time high of about 76.9 million shares, up from 64 million shares on June 10, even though convertible-note arbitrageurs were net covering shares as the stock fell from about $104 to the high-$60s/$70s — Anpanman argues this means outright short positioning is larger than the headline number implies.
  • Anpanman believes SpaceX's upcoming share lockup expiration (a minimum 20%, potentially up to 30%, of SpaceX shares becoming tradable around August 20) could trigger an ASTS short squeeze, as investors short a 'space basket' as a hedge against private SpaceX holdings sell SpaceX and cover their ASTS shorts once shares unlock.
  • AST SpaceMobile and Rakuten announced a new 50/50 joint venture, 'Satellite Connect Japan,' modeled on the existing Satellite Connect Europe structure with Vodafone, aimed at winning Japan's J-LEO direct-to-device subsidy program (up to ¥148 billion covering up to 50% of eligible costs, decision expected by end of June 2026).
  • Anpanman argues AST/Rakuten meet the core J-LEO bid criteria — Japanese ownership/control of ground infrastructure, disaster roaming across carriers, video calling for roughly 70% of each day (~16.8 hours), low-band spectrum penetration for disaster scenarios, and an executable launch plan potentially using Mitsubishi Heavy rockets — in ways he thinks Starlink's mid-band, externally-controlled architecture cannot currently satisfy.
  • CEO Abel Avellan entered a collar transaction covering 2 million of his roughly 78 million AST SpaceMobile shares as a financial-planning exercise; Anpanman calls it de minimis given Avellan has not sold shares in the six years since the company went public.
  • Anpanman does not expect AST SpaceMobile to hit a previously discussed target of 45 satellites in orbit by year-end 2026, instead guessing 20-25 satellites by year-end and 45 by late Q1/early Q2 2027, noting the company has not formally updated its guidance.
  • Anpanman sees a very low probability of SpaceX acquiring AST SpaceMobile, citing US antitrust law (the Sherman and Clayton Acts) and the government's stated preference for a diversity of direct-to-device suppliers.
  • Anpanman does not anticipate near-term additional shareholder dilution, citing AST's stated $3+ billion cash balance, the absence of an active ATM program, and comments from Scott Wisniewski that there are no plans for additional convertible debt, with commercial MNO prepayments cited as the near-term funding focus.
  • Anpanman speculates Elon Musk avoids discussing AST SpaceMobile publicly because Starlink's direct-to-cell effort (built via its acquisition of IoT company Swarm) arrived after AST's, and highlighting a competitor that got there first would undercut Starlink's and T-Mobile's 'first to market' narrative.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

Breaking News: BlueBirds 11-13 Launch Window Confirmed

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:27

    News hit the tape, first reported on Bloomberg, that BlueBirds 11, 12, and 13 will launch in the first half of August; the company had not yet tweeted it as of the recording.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:52

    Anpanman's guess is the Falcon 9 is scheduled for either the first or second week of August, since the satellites are close to being completed and tested.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:11

    Anpanman expects the next batch of BlueBirds to ship (or get a shipment-readiness PR) around the second week of July.

Abel Avellan's Collar Transaction

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:42

    Abel Avellan owns 78 million shares of AST SpaceMobile (last count); he entered a collar transaction the prior night as a financial-planning exercise covering 2 million of those 78 million shares.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:42

    Kook covered the collar transaction in detail on his own Space; Anpanman calls the 2 million share amount 'pretty de minimis' since Avellan hasn't sold any stock in the six years since the company went public (and possibly none since founding).

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:01:42

    The collar involves a loan that, depending on performance at the end of the period (believed to be sometime early next year), Avellan will settle in either shares or cash, at his choosing.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:42

    Avellan previously entered a similar collar transaction around 2024 and, rather than settling in shares, rolled up the strikes because he didn't want to sell any shares.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:42

    Anpanman frames this as generally healthy: executives like Avellan or Scott Wisniewski should be financially secure enough to stay focused on executing for the company rather than worrying about personal finances.

Overnight Market Selloff and the AI Memory Cycle

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:05:37

    The Korean KOSPI index fell about 10% overnight, driven by a selloff in AI-linked memory names (Samsung, SK Hynix and similar), which had been trading at low single-digit P/E multiples despite currently 'over-earning.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:05:37

    Anpanman notes memory is inherently cyclical (boom periods lead to overbuilding of fabs, then demand drops), and questions whether AI demand data-center pullthrough for memory has peaked, though he says the current boom cycle could still run longer than expected.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:05:37

    A new memory-sector ETF called DRAM invests in Micron and SanDisk in the US plus Japanese and Korean memory players, illustrating how a Korean selloff can spill into US-listed names via relative valuation and leverage.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:05:37

    Anpanman argues leveraged Korean retail investors getting margin-called can cascade into selling of unrelated US holdings, including ASTS and IonQ (IONQ), which he says is widely held by Korean retail investors, similarly to what was observed around the last Bluebird launch.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:05:37

    ASTS traded down to about $69 overnight before rebounding; the stock had peaked just before the Blue Origin New Glenn incident (May 29) and had been on a largely unidirectional decline since, back to roughly early-May price levels.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:05:37

    Anpanman believes space stocks broadly have been de-rated as SpaceX-related enthusiasm has drained out of the sector, and thinks ASTS may have reached at least a near-term bottom because sentiment is 'completely bombed out.'

Record Short Interest, Convertible Arbitrage, and the SpaceX Lockup Squeeze Setup

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:10:17

    Real-time short interest in ASTS hit an all-time high, reaching 76.9 million shares as of the prior day (up from 64 million shares on June 10, when the stock was around $104).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:17

    Anpanman explains that convertible-note arbitrageurs delta-hedge against the underlying warrant/bond: as the stock falls (from $104 toward $77), they become less long and have to cover (buy back) shares, meaning some of the raw short-interest change already reflects covering, not just new shorting.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:17

    Because convert arbs were likely net covering several million shares as the stock fell, the rise from 64 million to 77 million shares short implies there are a lot more outright shorts (fundamental shorts or hedged 'space basket' shorts, e.g. via Goldman swaps) than the headline number alone suggests.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:17

    Anpanman flags an upcoming SpaceX share lockup: a minimum of 20% of SpaceX shares become tradable on August 20, with up to an additional 10% (30% total) unlocking depending on SpaceX's trading performance.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:17

    Anpanman theorizes that when SpaceX shares unlock, investors holding a hedged 'space basket' short (including ASTS) against private SpaceX stakes will sell their newly liquid SpaceX shares and cover their ASTS shorts, creating a potential squeeze dynamic given how heavily shorts have piled into AST.

Leveraged ETF Risk and Sector Watchlist

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:14:32

    Anpanman advises against using margin, and against holding leveraged ETFs (like the bullish ASTX product tracking ASTS) for long periods, since compounding causes severe underperformance during unidirectional down moves.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:14:32

    Illustrating the decay: when ASTS hit about $65 in May, ASTX was around $21; when ASTS hit about $69 this morning, ASTX was only around $17 — meaning someone holding ASTX through that period would have significantly underperformed simply holding ASTS.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:14:32

    Anpanman recommends maintaining a watchlist of peer space stocks (BlackSky, Firefly, Intuitive Machines, MDA Space, Planet Labs, Redwire, Rocket Lab) to distinguish sector-wide moves from company-specific issues, noting the whole space sector has been down, not just ASTS.

Rakuten Joint Venture: Satellite Connect Japan

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:17:37

    Rakuten announced it will form a 50/50-capitalized joint venture with AST SpaceMobile; Anpanman's guess is AST contributes satellites, technology and know-how while Rakuten contributes capital.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:42

    This JV structure mirrors Satellite Connect Europe, which AST formed with Vodafone and later brought in additional partners including Orange, Telefónica, CK Hutchison, and Telenor; Anpanman guesses Deutsche Telekom will also eventually join the European JV.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:37

    The JV is intended to be established within 2026, likely within the next few months, and was clearly designed to help win Japan's J-LEO project, with a decision expected within about a week (end of June).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:37

    The JV structure allows competitor carriers (KDDI, NTT Docomo, SoftBank) to access Rakuten's exclusive AST network during disaster/emergency roaming scenarios via pooled spectrum protocols, even though Rakuten remains the exclusive commercial user.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:17:37

    Currently, KDDI, NTT Docomo and SoftBank (Japan's three major carriers) all use Starlink for direct-to-cell, with KDDI as the senior/first partner; Rakuten, the smaller challenger carrier, holds exclusive rights to AST's service in Japan. Anpanman notes these Starlink carrier agreements are non-exclusive and, per disclosures from the SpaceX IPO, can be terminated at any time.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:17:37

    Citing a tweet from Katzy (which he retweeted), Anpanman notes AST and Rakuten are testing satellite service over SoftBank's spectrum, which requires SoftBank's permission and suggests SoftBank is likely to eventually join the Satellite Connect Japan joint venture.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:17:37

    Back in January, Rakuten notified AST SpaceMobile it was stepping down from AST's board, and it later emerged Rakuten sold half of its AST stake (15 million shares), retaining the other half; at the time this was read as balance-sheet deleveraging, but Anpanman now speculates it was also to fund/strengthen Rakuten's financial position for the J-LEO bid.

J-LEO Project Requirements and AST/Rakuten's Positioning vs. Starlink

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:22:42

    J-LEO will select a single winner; the Japanese government's fiscal 2026 budget (first disclosed November 2025) allocated up to ¥148 billion in assistance covering no more than 50% of eligible costs, with the consortium financing the remainder; bidding opened in March 2026 and a winner decision is expected by the end of June 2026.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:42

    Criterion 1 — Japanese ownership/operational control: the winner must be a Japan-incorporated entity that owns, operates and manages the LEO infrastructure itself, with all ground facilities (gateways, operational/payload/network control centers) located in Japan; Anpanman argues AST's bent-pipe architecture and the new Japan-owned JV satisfy this, while Starlink's model (fully owned/operated by Starlink, providing only an eSIM to carriers like T-Mobile) does not, unless Starlink creates a new Japan-controlled entity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Criterion 2 — direct-to-smartphone service by March 2029: both AST and Starlink can plausibly meet this deadline; Anpanman is skeptical MDA Space and Telesat (speculated as possible bidders) could build a full constellation and launch service in time.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Sub-criterion — video calling for roughly 70% of each day nationwide (about 16.8 hours/day): Anpanman argues this effectively disqualifies Starlink's current 650-satellite V1 direct-to-device constellation, which he says only supports narrowband data (not video calling with multiple users in a cell), while AST believes it can deliver continuous coverage over Japan with 45-60 satellites.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Sub-criterion — service to general (existing) users: AST's service works with unmodified existing phones, whereas Starlink's approach requires a new chipset for V1 and an entirely new one for future V2 satellites (targeted around 2028-2029), which Anpanman argues makes Starlink poorly suited for near-term, backwards-compatible disaster/emergency use.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Low-band spectrum: AST's Block 2 satellites use low-band spectrum, which Anpanman argues is critical for penetrating rubble/debris in disaster scenarios, versus Starlink's current mid-band-only architecture, which he says can't penetrate obstacles as effectively and would require a new, larger phased-array satellite and MNO partnerships to access low-band.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Criterion 3 — disaster roaming across Japanese operators: the winning system must support Japan's planned emergency interoperator roaming, letting any Japanese carrier's subscribers roam onto the JLEO operator's satellite service during a terrestrial outage; Anpanman notes Starlink has not formed an equivalent joint venture with KDDI to serve this role.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Criterion 4 — spectrum licensing path: bidders need a credible path to uplink/downlink spectrum (own, lease, or JV contribution), not necessarily ownership today; Rakuten holds 700 MHz low-band plus some mid-band spectrum, while Anpanman argues this likely disqualifies MDA Space, which lacks an MNO partner.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Deployment plan / launch vehicle criterion: AST and Rakuten could contract Mitsubishi Heavy (whose 6-SRB configuration can launch 3 Block 2 satellites per launch) for part of the constellation, supporting Japan's domestic space program and economy — something Anpanman says Starlink/SpaceX would not do given its own launch capacity.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:30:27

    AST sources solar film for its satellites from Sharp in Japan; Anpanman recalls the company originally planned to outsource 'Micron' module manufacturing to a Japanese partner (possibly Sharp) with roughly $500 million of Japanese ExIm-equivalent financing, before deciding to bring manufacturing in-house, though it still sources solar panels from Sharp today.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Criterion 5 — financial stability/post-subsidy operation: bidders must show technical capability, staffing, a fully funded plan, and a viable commercial model; Anpanman says AST/Rakuten meet this given demonstrated video calling in Japan and financial capacity.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:30:27

    The J-LEO program does not mandate a specific satellite architecture (bent-pipe or onboard processing both allowed), does not require domestic manufacturing initially, and does not require every satellite be exclusively dedicated to Japan — meaning AST can leverage its shared global constellation (as with Satellite Connect Europe) as long as ownership/control of supporting ground infrastructure and domestic service requirements are met.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Anpanman does not believe the market is currently pricing in a potential J-LEO win for AST, since the stock hasn't reflected it over the last few weeks; he'd be disappointed if Starlink wins but sees AST as clearly better positioned on the stated criteria.

Sovereignty and the 'Kill Switch' Factor

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:42:27

    Anpanman frames sovereignty/control as central to why countries like Japan (and comparably India) want their own governed satellite infrastructure rather than relying on Starlink, citing Elon Musk's past unilateral decision to turn off Starlink service related to the Ukraine-Russia conflict as the 'kill switch' scenario nations want to avoid.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:42:27

    Under AST's model, the local JV/MNO effectively owns, operates, and controls the network in-country, so there's no external kill switch; data goes directly from the phone up to the satellite and back down to the local network operator rather than routing through Starlink's own separately-owned global network infrastructure.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:42:27

    Anpanman argues a US-company-provided (AST) solution winning J-LEO would still be a net positive for the US government's interests as a Japan ally, versus concerns about a foreign (e.g., Chinese) constellation, though he acknowledges Elon Musk's political influence in the US government could theoretically factor into any decision.

Listener Q&A: T-Mobile STA Testing, Dilution, SpaceX Buyout, Launch Cadence, and Elon Musk's Silence

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:02

    Anpanman recalls that around February 2026, AST filed with the FCC to test on T-Mobile's spectrum, which was puzzling at the time; he now thinks this makes more sense in light of the announced AT&T/Verizon JV, and speculates T-Mobile could eventually defect from Starlink toward AST.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:47:30

    Asked whether a new 500-employee plan implies further dilution, Anpanman says he doesn't believe additional dilution is planned; the company has over $3 billion of cash, Scott Wisniewski indicated at a recent meeting there are no plans for additional convertible debt, there is currently no active ATM in place (the prior one was terminated), and near-term funding focus is on commercial prepayments from MNOs. He notes the company could still raise capital opportunistically for something value-creative, e.g. a hypothetical $300 million raise if AST lost the J-LEO bid and needed funds.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:49:47

    Asked about SpaceX buyout rumors, Anpanman assigns a very low likelihood, citing US antitrust law (Sherman Act, Clayton Act), the DOJ, and the FCC's preference for supplier diversity; he says this could only change if either SpaceX or AST became financially distressed, which he doesn't foresee.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:49:47

    Responding to a listener who noted the August launch seems late relative to a 45-satellites-by-year-end target, Anpanman says AST will not hit 45 satellites by year-end; he guesses 20-25 satellites by year-end 2026 and 45 by late Q1/early Q2 2027, with the company still procuring additional SpaceX launches and other launch-provider agreements (MLAs), and watching how quickly Blue Origin returns to the pad.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:51:00

    Anpanman disputes a listener's suggestion that the August launch represents 'another delay,' saying he does not recall the company ever guiding to two launches in July; he expects the Q2 earnings call to land in early August, around the same time as the BB11-13 launch, and guesses another batch of ready-to-launch Bluebirds could be announced before that August launch.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:54:32

    Asked why Elon Musk has never commented on AST SpaceMobile, Anpanman theorizes Musk avoids the topic because Starlink's direct-to-cell effort (built by acquiring narrowband IoT provider Swarm, whose team was later let go) followed AST's, and because Musk used wording similar to AST's own marketing when announcing the T-Mobile service in August 2022 — implying he doesn't want to legitimize a competitor that got there first.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:54:32

    Anpanman notes Mario Nawfal, a formerly Musk-aligned commentator who was unfollowed by Musk, recently posted (for the first time) about AST's latest Bluebird launch, describing it as competing with Starlink's broadband ambitions.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:54:32

    Asked if Starlink's V2 direct-to-device satellites could fly on other providers' rockets, Anpanman says no — they are specifically architected for Starship, making Starlink's future direct-to-device buildout highly dependent on Starship's success.

Watch Items6

  • BlueBirds 11, 12, and 13 launch on a SpaceX Falcon 9

    First half of August 2026 (Anpanman guesses first or second week) Anpanman 00:00:27
  • AST Q2 2026 earnings call / formal launch-plan update

    Expected early August 2026, around the same time as the BB11-13 launch Anpanman 00:51:00
  • SpaceX share lockup expiration (minimum 20%, up to 30%)

    Around August 20, 2026 Anpanman 00:10:17
  • Japan J-LEO project winner decision

    Expected by end of June 2026 Anpanman 00:22:42
  • AST reaching 45 satellites in orbit

    Anpanman guesses late Q1/early Q2 2027 rather than year-end 2026 as previously discussed Anpanman 00:49:47
  • Blue Origin New Glenn's return to the launch pad

    Not yet specified; watched as a factor in AST's launch cadence Anpanman 00:49:47

Open Questions6

  • Will the J-LEO decision actually be announced by the end of June as scheduled, or could it slip?

    Anpanman 00:17:37
  • Will AST/Rakuten or Starlink/KDDI ultimately win the J-LEO subsidy contract?

    Anpanman 00:22:42
  • Will SoftBank formally join the Satellite Connect Japan joint venture, given it is reportedly allowing spectrum testing?

    Anpanman 00:17:37
  • What was the actual purpose of AST's February 2026 FCC filing requesting to test on T-Mobile's spectrum?

    Anpanman 00:37:02
  • How many additional shares have convertible-note arbitrageurs actually covered as ASTS fell from $104 to the high-$60s/$70s, and what is the resulting 'true' short interest?

    Anpanman 00:10:17
  • Will there be another batch of Bluebirds ready to ship/launch before the early-August Q2 earnings call?

    Anpanman 00:51:00
2026-06-17 40:40

Anpanman - Lunch Recap and SpaceX Success

Anpanman

Anpanman hosts a solo recap the morning after SpaceX's successful Falcon 9 launch of AST SpaceMobile's first three Block 2 composite Bluebird satellites (BlueBird 8, 9, and 10). He calls it the company's fifth successful spacecraft design and its first Block 2 'stacked' batch launch.

He walks through the engineering behind stacking satellites at 6G of force, and AST's same-day press release confirming 200 Mbps peak speeds and updated production figures: Bluebirds 11-13 in final shipment prep, 37 satellites now in production.

He closes by analyzing record-high ASTS short interest tied to SpaceX-IPO-driven pair trades, the stock's derating from $133 to $86 after recent Blue Origin New Glenn setbacks, and a run of upcoming catalysts including Japan's J-LEO decision and BB8-10 unfolding confirmation.

Key Takeaways

  • SpaceX successfully launched AST SpaceMobile's first three Block 2 composite Bluebird satellites (BlueBird 8, 9, and 10) on a Falcon 9 on the morning of the episode (June 17, 2026), which Anpanman calls the company's fifth distinct successful spacecraft design (after BlueWalker 1, BlueWalker 3, the five Block 1 Bluebirds, and the metallic FM-1/FM-2 satellites) and its first-ever multi-satellite 'stacked' Block 2 launch.
  • AST's same-day press release confirmed Block 2 satellites are optimized for 200 Mbps peak speeds, up from about 99 Mbps recently achieved on Block 1 and roughly 160 Mbps that Abel Avellan had cited for Block 2 (BlueBird 6) at the BlueBird 7 launch event; Anpanman contrasts this with current Starlink direct-to-cell service, which he says tops out around 7 Mbps per cell as narrowband texting/SOS service.
  • The press release also confirmed Bluebirds 11, 12, and 13 are in 'final preparations for shipment' (a step Anpanman reads as further along than the prior 'final testing' language), and that cumulative Bluebird production has risen to 37 satellites, up from 32.
  • Anpanman received a personal email reply from CEO Abel Avellan confirming the BlueBird 8/9/10 mission 'went perfect' and that satellites are operating nominally after orbital insertion, ahead of the detumbling and antenna-unfolding process still to come.
  • ASTS short interest hit an all-time high (previously peaking around 69 million shares in mid-May 2026, when the stock traded near $100), which Anpanman attributes largely to hedge funds running long-SpaceX/short-space-basket or long-SpaceX/short-ASTS pair trades following SpaceX's IPO, plus convertible-note arbitrageurs shorting the stock to hedge their bond positions.
  • ASTS stock fell from a high of about $133 to around $86 after BlueBird 7 was lost in an April 2026 Blue Origin New Glenn second-stage failure and a subsequent New Glenn pad explosion took the rocket offline for a projected roughly six months, derating the broader space sector along with it.
  • Near-term catalysts Anpanman flags include Japan's roughly $1 billion-plus J-LEO project decision expected by the end of June 2026, confirmation of BlueBird 8/9/10's successful antenna unfolding expected around mid-to-late July 2026, a possible FCC Special Temporary Authority grant for 900 MHz military-related testing (application filed about a week before the episode), and a BlueBird 11-13 shareholder launch event tentatively targeted for July or early August 2026.
  • Anpanman states AST SpaceMobile needs roughly 45 satellites for near-continuous commercial service in North America, versus about 20-25 satellites for intermittent beta service.

Detailed Discussion12 topics

Launch recap: BlueBird 8, 9, 10 and AST's spacecraft-design history

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:26

    SpaceX flew a 'wonderful and flawless' Falcon 9 launch overnight, deploying BlueBird 10, then 9, then 8 into orbit — the first successful batch launch of the Block 2 design, and specifically the Block 2 composite design.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:46

    Counting design generations, he frames this as the fifth distinct AST SpaceMobile spacecraft design successfully deployed to LEO: (1) BlueWalker 1, a CubeSat that tested the concept in reverse (large phased arrays on Earth communicating with a cell phone aboard the orbiting satellite); (2) BlueWalker 3, launched September 2022, the first fully-scaled prototype that validated the technology and supported military testing that opened up contracts; (3) the five Block 1 Bluebirds (8m x 8m design with a folding-arm unfolding mechanism), launched together on a Falcon 9 in September 2024; (4) the metallic Block 2 satellites FM-1 (BlueBird 6, successful) and FM-2 (BlueBird 7, lost when Blue Origin's second stage failed to ignite); and now (5) the Block 2 composite design launched in this episode.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:46

    He calls this a testament to the company's engineering, noting no other operator has, to his knowledge, built a satellite that deploys a massive phased array without needing a separate launch vehicle adapter (LVA).

Block 2 composite engineering breakthroughs

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:04:30

    The new composite satellites are significantly lighter than the metallic FM-1/FM-2 design and are engineered to withstand 6G of force in an 8-satellite stacked launch configuration; he uses the analogy that the bottom satellite in the stack effectively has to support the weight of the Statue of Liberty (without its base) while sustaining 6Gs.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:30

    The company currently can stack 3 to 4 satellites and is iterating toward stacking a full 8, which would fill a Blue Origin New Glenn fairing; for a New Glenn 9x4 configuration he guesses a 6x6 stacked arrangement.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:30

    The deployed phased array is roughly 200 meters squared in size; there is also an unadvertised tail extension carrying additional solar arrays, which he speculates may also have some phased-array functionality (unconfirmed).

Phased array vs. Starlink and competitive positioning

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:22

    AST's large phased array is what lets it communicate with unmodified, low-power phones on low-band spectrum from 26,000-27,000 km/hr orbital speeds, whereas Starlink's phased array (roughly 2.5m x 2.5m) is optimized for mid-band spectrum, requires FCC waivers to operate, and only works with newer phones carrying a specific chipset — not older phones.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:22

    He ties AST's backward compatibility with existing/older phones to AST and Rakuten being well-positioned to win Japan's J-LEO contract, and to disaster-recovery/national-security use cases where new-phone requirements are a liability; he notes EchoStar's planned spectrum deployment (sometime 2028-2029) will also require a new phone.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:11:26

    He argues competitors who dismissed the need for large phased arrays are now all moving toward larger arrays themselves, but says AST's existing patent portfolio (an updated patent count was included in the day's press release, number not stated) creates a 'massive moat,' and speculates the company may eventually enforce or monetize those patents once competitors' roadmaps are locked into covered technology, rather than doing so now.

200 Mbps speed benchmark

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:11:26

    The day's press release was, in his view, the first time the company confirmed Block 2 satellites are optimized for 200 Mbps peak speeds — versus roughly 99 Mbps recently achieved on Block 1.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:11:26

    He recalls that at the BlueBird 7 launch event, Abel Avellan said the then-current Block 2 satellite (BlueBird 6) was hitting 160 Mbps, which he assumes is roughly where it stands now en route to 200 Mbps through further optimization.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:11:26

    For comparison, he says current Starlink satellites top out around 7 Mbps per cell (narrowband texting/SOS/some pictures), while next-generation Starlink is targeting around 150 Mbps, contingent on Starship achieving commercial-cadence success.

Bluebird 11-13 and production cadence

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:13:03

    The press release confirmed Bluebirds 11, 12, and 13 are in 'final preparations for shipment' — language he reads as a step beyond the previously used 'final testing,' suggesting testing may already be complete.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:03

    Whether those satellites ship immediately depends on the next Falcon 9 launch date: if it's in July they'll likely ship soon, but if the next launch slips to early August the satellites may be held rather than shipped before the launch site is ready to receive them.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:13:03

    He believes the company is procuring offsite storage/processing space near Cape Canaveral (citing a job posting for a payload integration/receiving manager there) to handle logistics as launch cadence scales toward deploying 248 satellites over the next 2-3 years.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:13:03

    The press release also disclosed Bluebird production has risen to 37 satellites, up from 32 — he believes this is a cumulative production figure but says he isn't fully certain and would like company confirmation of what the 32-vs-37 figures actually represent.

Multi-launch provider strategy

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:24

    With Blue Origin New Glenn offline for a projected several months, he expects AST to announce additional Falcon 9 launches and formal multi-launch agreements with ULA and Mitsubishi in the near term, with Arianespace as another possible addition and more frontier providers like Relativity Space potentially added later — all framed as his own guesses, not confirmed.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:24

    He notes Relativity's Terran R (a heavy-lift rocket he estimates could carry around 6 Bluebirds) is expected to have its maiden flight sometime in Q3 or Q4 (his guess, year unstated but implied 2026).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:24

    His expected strategy: anchor launches on Falcon 9, layer on Blue Origin after further successful missions, then add ULA, Ariane, Mitsubishi, Relativity and ISRO to avoid concentrating risk in one or two providers.

Post-launch operations and unfolding timeline

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:18:19

    Abel Avellan confirmed via email to Anpanman that the mission was a success, that the satellites were injected into the proper orbit, and that 'it really went perfect' — Anpanman takes this as a clean bill of health.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:18:19

    The satellites now need to be detumbled (oriented correctly via magnetorquers and possibly propulsion) before the large phased arrays are unfolded sequentially; having already done this once with BlueBird 6, the team should face less risk this time.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:19

    He recalls (uncertain/approximate) that BlueBird 6 launched around December 23 (2025) and the company issued a PR confirming successful deployment around February 10 (2026), roughly 49 days later; he guesses the actual unfolding happened closer to 40-45 days post-launch with a short buffer before the PR.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:19

    Applying a similar but possibly shorter timeline (accounting for three satellites instead of one), he estimates confirmation of BlueBird 8/9/10's successful deployment in roughly 35-45 days, putting it around mid-to-second-half of July 2026 — a milestone he plans to add to his catalyst tracker.

Record short interest and SpaceX-IPO-driven trading dynamics

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:19

    Real-time short interest data shows ASTS hit an all-time peak the prior day; the previous high was around 69 million shares, set in mid-May 2026 when the stock price was much higher (he estimates near $100). The current all-time-high figure was stated as approximately '72.2 [million]' shares, though the exact number was garbled/unclear in the audio.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:19

    He attributes elevated short interest partly to convertible-note arbitrageurs shorting the stock to hedge the bonds' embedded conversion option, and partly to hedge funds hedging long SpaceX exposure around its IPO by shorting a basket of space comparables (AST SpaceMobile, Rocket Lab, Planet Labs) or running a direct long-SpaceX/short-ASTS pair trade.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:19

    He argues many of these shorts don't understand the underlying business (e.g., that AST partners with roughly 60 mobile network operators and could eventually reach a subscriber base numbering in the billions), and expects the trade to eventually 'blow up' on them as the story de-risks, similar to prior short squeezes at $2, $20, $30, $40, and $50 per share.

Catalyst tracker

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:50

    Upcoming catalysts listed: (1) Bluebird 11, 12, 13 being announced ready to ship; (2) Japan's J-LEO project decision, worth over $1 billion potentially, expected at the end of this month (within about 2 weeks of the episode); (3) confirmation of BlueBird 8-10's successful antenna unfolding and operations; (4) an update/confirmation of the 200 Mbps performance milestone, possibly during a quarterly earnings call; (5) a possible FCC Special Temporary Authority grant for 900 MHz military-application testing, whose application was filed about a week prior, with fast turnaround expected 'given the new world at the FCC'; and (6) a T-Mobile definitive commercial agreement, which he guesses is two quarters or more away, though hints may surface sooner.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:50

    He also expects additional multi-launch agreement announcements in between these catalysts.

Audience Q&A: satellite count, EchoStar/SpaceX spectrum, and pair-trade mechanics

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:50

    Asked how many satellites are needed for full North America service, he answers approximately 45 for near-continuous service, with beta/intermittent service achievable at around 20-25 satellites.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:50

    Responding to a listener (Ben Deverin) about whether SpaceX could buy EchoStar's remaining paired AWS-3 spectrum, he notes EchoStar received about 2.2% of SpaceX's outstanding stock in the existing AWS-3 transaction, and that EchoStar's sum-of-the-parts (spectrum plus Dish Network) trades at what he estimates as a 40-50% discount; he speculates SpaceX buying more EchoStar spectrum wouldn't surprise him, but this is unconfirmed guesswork.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:36:05

    Explaining hedge-fund mechanics to a listener confused by long-SpaceX/short-ASTS pair trades, he describes two hedging approaches — shorting a basket of comparable names (e.g., short AST SpaceMobile, Rocket Lab, Planet Labs against a long SpaceX position) versus a direct pair trade (analogous to going long Apple at the iPhone launch while shorting Motorola/BlackBerry) — used by hedge funds to run a balanced, alpha-focused book rather than pure directional beta exposure.

Stock price context and setbacks

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:36:07

    Responding to a comment about the stock being flat-to-red despite bullish news, he attributes it to two pieces of bad news: BlueBird 7 failing to reach a sustainable orbit after a Blue Origin New Glenn second-stage failure, and a separate Blue Origin New Glenn 4 vehicle exploding on the launch pad.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:36:07

    With New Glenn out of commission for what he estimates as about the next 6 months, the entire space sector derated from all-time highs at the end of May (2026); ASTS itself fell from around $133 pre-mishap to about $86.

Future roadmap: Block 3/4, 'Blackbirds,' and defense

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:31

    He believes AST will produce a Block 3 (mid-band constellation) satellite by the end of this year, and a future Block 4 built around C-band (3.5 GHz) spectrum in partnership with AT&T and Verizon and 'soon' T-Mobile, eventually reaching gigabit-level speeds comparable to fiber — framed as his own expectation, not confirmed guidance.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:31

    He refers informally to a government-only satellite constellation as 'Blackbirds' (a name he isn't sure the company will officially use), suggesting FM-1 and FM-2 were effectively early Blackbirds, with more of that constellation coming in the following months.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:31

    He expects additional defense-contract news soon, related to Golden Dome and other communications, radar, or sensing applications.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:41:31

    He notes the company will hold a shareholder event tied to the BlueBird 11-13 launch and asks listeners to keep their July/early-August calendars flexible; he plans to attend in person.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:41:31

    He gives a shoutout to fellow host Kook, who attended the launch viewing at a courtyard in Titusville with 'Tanner and a few other folks,' did push-ups for good luck, and paid respects at the nearby resting place of a community member referred to as Steve Larison.

Watch Items8

  • Bluebird 11, 12, and 13 announced ready to ship / actual shipment

    Relatively soon; depends on next Falcon 9 launch date (July vs. early August) Anpanman 00:13:03
  • Japan J-LEO project decision (potential $1B+ project)

    End of the month (within ~2 weeks of the episode) Anpanman 00:23:50
  • Confirmation of BlueBird 8, 9, 10 successful antenna unfolding and operations

    Estimated ~35-45 days post-launch, mid-to-second-half of July 2026 Anpanman 00:18:19
  • 200 Mbps peak speed milestone achievement/update

    Possibly at an upcoming quarterly earnings call Anpanman 00:23:50
  • FCC Special Temporary Authority grant for 900 MHz military-application testing

    Application filed about a week before the episode; fast turnaround expected Anpanman 00:23:50
  • T-Mobile definitive commercial agreement

    Guessed at two quarters out or more Anpanman 00:23:50
  • Additional multi-launch agreements (ULA, Mitsubishi, Arianespace, Relativity Terran R maiden flight)

    Near term; Terran R maiden flight guessed for Q3 or Q4 Anpanman 00:15:24
  • Shareholder event tied to the Bluebird 11-13 launch

    July or early August 2026 (calendar to be confirmed) Anpanman 00:41:31

Open Questions4

  • What exactly do the '32 vs. 37' Bluebird production figures in the press release represent (cumulative production count or another metric)?

    Anpanman 00:13:03
  • Whether and how AST SpaceMobile intends to enforce or monetize its patent portfolio against competitors.

    Anpanman 00:11:26
  • Whether the tail extension on Bluebird satellites (which carries solar arrays) also has phased-array antenna functionality.

    Anpanman 00:04:30
  • Whether Bluebirds 11-13 will ship as soon as they're ready or be held in offsite storage pending the next launch window.

    Anpanman 00:13:03
2026-06-17 58:15

Anpanman - Historic Deployment: Bluebirds 8-10 Reach Orbit

Anpanman

Anpanman hosted a live, real-time reaction space during the June 17, 2026 launch and orbital deployment of AST SpaceMobile's Bluebird 8, 9, and 10 satellites. It was the first stacked, multi-satellite Block 2 Falcon 9 launch.

He walked listeners through the structural engineering, deployment mechanics, and orbital insertion as they happened. All three satellites separated successfully, which Anpanman frames as decisively refuting industry critics who claimed stacking large satellites in a single fairing was impossible.

Beyond the launch itself, he covers manufacturing ramp status and a rumored Japan 'JLEO' program tell. He also predicts a T-Mobile commercial deal (likely an MOU and/or definitive agreement by Q4 2026) stemming from the new AT&T-Verizon satellite strategy joint venture.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman hosted a live real-time reaction space during the successful launch and deployment of AST SpaceMobile's Bluebird 8, 9, and 10 satellites (Block 2 design) on a SpaceX Falcon 9 from Cape Canaveral on June 17, 2026.
  • All three satellites separated successfully from the stacked Falcon 9 configuration — Bluebird 10 deployed first (opposite the order shown on AST's official mission timeline, which listed Bluebird 8 first), followed by Bluebird 9, with SpaceX confirming all payloads separated; this validated AST's ability to stack multiple large satellites in one fairing after critics claimed it wasn't feasible.
  • The composite Block 2 Bluebird satellites are engineered to withstand roughly 6 G's of force during launch, and AST's own promotional graphics showed the 8-satellite stacked configuration could theoretically support the weight of a full passenger airplane or the Statue of Liberty (without its base).
  • Anpanman predicts AST SpaceMobile will reach an MOU and/or definitive commercial agreement with T-Mobile before the end of 2026, likely in Q4, following the recently announced AT&T-Verizon satellite-strategy joint venture that also invited T-Mobile to participate; he expects Starlink to remain as a non-exclusive secondary option for T-Mobile customers rather than being dropped entirely.
  • Anpanman named two industry commentators, 'Dim Spacebar' and 'Stuart Taylor,' as having publicly and repeatedly claimed AST's satellites would not fit in a Falcon 9 fairing and that SpaceX would not permit satellite stacking; both claims were disproven by this launch.
  • AST SpaceMobile is currently producing about 10 'microns' (the phased-array/solar-panel payload) per month but only 'just under 6' composite bus structures per month, per Anpanman's understanding; the company's near-term target is 6 satellites/month around Q3 2026, with an eventual goal of 10-12 satellites/month once a planned dedicated government-focused production line ('government shell') comes online.
  • The next Bluebird batch launch (Bluebirds 11, 12, and 13) is expected around late July or early August 2026, based on Anpanman's estimated roughly 3-week integration timeline from satellite shipment to launch.
  • The launch-day tradition of drinking full-sugar Dr Pepper (not diet) honors the late Space Mob community member Steve Larrison, an early and influential AST SpaceMobile community researcher whose resting site is located near the Titusville courtyard where community members gather to watch launches.
  • AST SpaceMobile recently hired an APAC program manager based in Japan with relevant manufacturing experience, which Anpanman flags as a possible 'tell' connected to the rumored Japan 'JLEO' satellite program, though he stresses the connection is speculative and unconfirmed.
  • Every Bluebird satellite, including 8, 9, and 10, has dual-use capability and can support government/military applications even before the constellation reaches the roughly 25 satellites needed to begin commercial beta service.

Detailed Discussion12 topics

Launch Overview and Structural Engineering

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:07

    Falcon 9 launched successfully carrying three stacked Block 2 'composite' Bluebird satellites (8, 9, 10); everything looked nominal early in the mission.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:01:07

    Per the AST SpaceMobile live broadcast introduction video, the composite Bluebirds are engineered to withstand approximately 6 G's of force during launch.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:01:07

    A company graphic showed that the stacked configuration (with 8 Bluebirds stacked) could support the weight of an entire passenger airplane, or the Statue of Liberty without its base, illustrating the strength of the carbon-fiber/composite structures.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:01:07

    Reddit commenters and industry consultants had claimed stacking satellites was impossible, or that SpaceX would not allow it; the company's broadcast explained that rocket providers rigorously test structural rigidity before allowing any satellite configuration, since a failure could risk the rocket itself.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:07

    Anpanman referenced a video by Mark Rober/CrunchLabs (which partnered to put an Earth-observation satellite into space) as a useful educational explainer of the launch forces satellites must survive.

Deployment Timeline and Mechanics

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:06:45

    Per the mission timeline: second-stage engine restart at 46 minutes (a very short ~6-second burn), Bluebird 8 deployment listed at approximately 54 minutes, Bluebird 9 at approximately 60 minutes, and Bluebird 10 at approximately 1 hour 5 minutes.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:06:45

    The three stacked Bluebirds do not separate simultaneously — each releases via a clamp/spring mechanism sequentially, with roughly 5 minutes between each release (Bluebird 8 releases from Bluebird 9, which then releases from Bluebird 10, which finally releases from the Falcon 9 second stage).

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:39:15

    Live coverage confirmed Bluebird 10 deployed first — not Bluebird 8 as the official mission-timeline graphic had shown — followed later by Bluebird 9's successful separation (with partial visual confirmation), and finally SpaceX confirmed 'all payloads successfully separated.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:57

    Successful satellite separation itself demonstrates the composite structure held up under launch loads, which is notable given this is a new spacecraft design.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:28

    Confirmation that satellites are under control and nominal (powered up, flying) typically comes not long after release, but full deployment/unfolding and successful operations confirmation could take weeks to months; Anpanman guessed operational confirmation would arrive in a few weeks.

Orbital Insertion Details

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:23:28

    The Falcon 9 second stage placed the payload into an elliptical orbit with a low point around 200 km altitude, then performed a short circularization burn once it reached roughly 535 km, resulting in a circular orbit around 536 km at a speed of approximately 26,278 km/h (units as stated, though garbled in the recording).

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:39:15

    By the end of the broadcast, the stated orbital altitude was 546 km.

SpaceMob Community and Steve Larrison Tribute

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:07

    A large international SpaceMob community was awake and active in the company's YouTube chat, including a notably large contingent of Korean shareholders; a group of roughly 8-10 SpaceMob members gathered at a rooftop bar in the Titusville courtyard in Cape Canaveral to watch the launch, including Kook.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:11:59

    The full-sugar (not diet) Dr Pepper launch-day tradition honors Steve Larrison, an early, well-regarded Space Mob community member and researcher who helped many people in the community (including Anpanman) and championed looking at AI/machine learning as early as roughly 2023; his favorite drink was Dr Pepper.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:11:59

    Community members at Titusville visited Steve Larrison's resting site, located near the courtyard bar, before the launch.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:45

    Anpanman recalled BlueWalker 3's launch (which he described as approximately 4 years earlier, i.e. around September 2022) as a company-defining event — he and Kook were both there in person with their children, and a mission failure at that stage would likely have been fatal to the company's ability to continue.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:11:59

    AST SpaceMobile's stock was reported up 6.4% during the overnight/launch trading session, with community members noting they were buying shares overnight.

JLEO Program and Japan Hiring

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:11:59

    A rumored 'JLEO' program has recently come up in the community; one possible 'tell' is that AST SpaceMobile recently hired an APAC program manager based in Japan with significant manufacturing experience at a large Japanese company, which Anpanman suggests could be linked to timing around a JLEO-related decision, though he cautions this connection is unconfirmed speculation.

Manufacturing Ramp

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:12

    Anpanman's understanding is the company can currently manufacture around 10 satellites' worth of 'microns' (the phased-array/solar-panel payload) per month, but the composite 'donut' structures housing the phased array plus the control bus are produced at 'just under 6' per month (roughly 4-5).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:12

    Reaching 6 satellites/month is a company goal, but is less urgent right now given Blue Origin's New Glenn is offline after the Bluebird 7 loss, reducing available launch capacity; Anpanman guesses the 6/month rate is reached sometime in Q3 2026, over the next month or two.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:39

    Longer-term, once additional launch providers come online, Anpanman expects the company to scale toward roughly 10-12 satellites per month at full capacity, factoring in a planned dedicated 'government shell' production line in addition to low-band and mid-band Block 2 Bluebirds.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:19:12

    Anpanman noted the company recently disclosed at its annual meeting (this past week, relative to the June 17, 2026 episode) that the 'first one or two' Block 2 Bluebirds would launch by the end of the year — a statement Anpanman relayed as-is, though it appears to conflict with Block 2 satellites (Bluebird 6, 7, 8, 9, 10) already having launched by this point.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:19:12

    There is a possibility of a PR disclosing that 'batch 2' satellites are finished/ready but awaiting shipment, since satellites can be ready before the next Falcon 9 slot; the company reportedly hired or was looking to hire a processing manager at Cape Canaveral and may rent or build an integration/storage facility there because AST may ship more Bluebirds than can be immediately launched.

Deployment Confirmation

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:37:57

    Live coverage confirmed Bluebird 10 successfully deployed first.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:37:57

    Bluebird 9 successfully separated shortly after, with a partial live visual shown of the deployment.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:43:09

    SpaceX confirmed on the broadcast that 'all payloads successfully separated,' completing the deployment of Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10; the visual shown was of the payload adapter cone that had carried the three stacked satellites, not the satellites themselves separating.

Satellite Design History

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:37:57

    Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10 represent AST SpaceMobile's fifth satellite design overall: BlueWalker 1 (a CubeSat) was the first, BlueWalker 3 (an 8m-by-8m centered control bus) the second, the five Block 1 Bluebirds (also 8m-by-8m with next-gen phased array/microns) the third, Bluebird 6 and 7 the fourth design, and the current composite Block 2 Bluebirds (8, 9, 10) the fifth design.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:43:09

    Anpanman corrected a listener's characterization that this was AST's 'first commercial batch mission' — the true first batch launch was the five Block 1 Bluebirds launched together in 2024 (described as '4 on the bottom and 1 on top').

T-Mobile Deal Outlook and AT&T-Verizon JV

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:09

    Anpanman predicts AST SpaceMobile will reach a deal with T-Mobile — an MOU and/or definitive agreement — before the end of 2026, most likely in Q4; he called this 'pretty much fait accompli.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:09

    AT&T and Verizon invited T-Mobile to join their new joint venture focused on pooling spectrum and sharing infrastructure for direct-to-cell satellite connectivity, with AT&T 'quarterbacking' the effort; the JV will be positioned to regulators as important for US broadband connectivity and national security.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:43:09

    Per Anpanman's conversations with the company, AST's existing exclusivity is with AT&T and Verizon, and the new AT&T/Verizon joint venture is what opens the door for T-Mobile to work with AST SpaceMobile.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:09

    Anpanman does not expect a visible, fanfare 'breakup' between T-Mobile and Starlink; instead he expects Starlink to remain available as a non-exclusive add-on for T-Mobile customers to appease regulators, while AST SpaceMobile becomes T-Mobile's default full-broadband satellite option.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:50:31

    T-Mobile's exclusivity arrangement with Starlink ends in June or July 2026; Anpanman expects a possible T-Mobile MOU with AST as soon as this month or next, but not a definitive agreement immediately, since the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile JV itself must first become definitive and clear regulatory review before a commercial deal with AST for T-Mobile would follow, pushing definitive terms potentially to Q4 or later.

Next Launch Timing and Batch Shipment

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:15

    Anpanman guesses the next Bluebird batch launch will occur in late July or early August 2026.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:15

    Integration time from satellite shipment to launch is roughly 3 weeks, which Anpanman describes as fast because the satellites ('tuna cans') are self-contained and stack directly on each other atop the Falcon 9, without needing a custom launch-vehicle adapter structure.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:50:31

    Bluebirds 11, 12, and 13 are expected to be ready for shipment fairly soon, with shipment timed roughly 3 weeks ahead of the next Falcon 9 launch slot, likely putting shipment/launch around late July or early August 2026.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:09

    The next launch is expected to be a company-sponsored/hosted event; Anpanman expects launch parties to become less frequent (every 2-3 batches rather than every batch) as launch cadence increases.

Debunking Industry Skeptics

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:50:31

    Anpanman named an independent industry consultant referred to as 'Dim Spacebar' who had claimed, starting around Mobile World Congress, that AST's satellites would not fit inside a standard Falcon 9 fairing; this claim was proven false by the successful launch.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:50:31

    Anpanman named a second independent consultant, Stuart Taylor, who claimed SpaceX would not allow AST's satellites to be stacked in a fairing; this was also proven false, as the satellites were successfully stacked and launched.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:50:31

    Anpanman noted that some hedge funds, via expert-network calls, had taken these skeptics' claims seriously enough to ask whether the satellites would even fit in a Falcon 9.

Dual-Use Government/Military Capability

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:23:28

    Every Bluebird satellite, including 8, 9, and 10, has the capability to be used for government or military purposes even while the constellation is still building toward the roughly 25 satellites needed to start commercial beta service.

Watch Items6

  • T-Mobile MOU and/or definitive commercial agreement with AST SpaceMobile

    Possible MOU within a month or two; definitive agreement likely Q4 2026, potentially later Anpanman 00:50:31
  • Next Bluebird batch launch (Bluebirds 11, 12, 13)

    Late July or early August 2026 (guess) Anpanman 00:50:31
  • Manufacturing rate reaching 6 satellites/month

    Sometime in Q3 2026, over the next month or two (guess) Anpanman 00:19:12
  • Possible PR confirming 'batch 2' satellites finished and awaiting shipment

    Uncertain, possibly imminent Anpanman 00:19:12
  • T-Mobile/Starlink exclusivity expiration

    June or July 2026 Anpanman 00:50:31
  • Confirmation from AST that Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10 are communicating and operating nominally

    Expected within a few hours of the broadcast Anpanman 00:43:09

Open Questions3

  • Why did the actual live deployment order (Bluebird 10 first, then Bluebird 9) differ from AST's official mission-timeline graphic, which listed Bluebird 8 deploying first?

    Anpanman 00:19:12
  • Does AST SpaceMobile's recent hiring of a Japan-based APAC program manager actually connect to a real upcoming 'JLEO' program decision, or is the timing coincidental?

    Anpanman 00:11:59
  • Will AST SpaceMobile issue a shipment-readiness press release for 'batch 2' in the near term, and when will the satellites actually ship given the timing of the next Falcon 9 slot?

    Anpanman 00:19:12
2026-06-16 44:04

Anpanman - Why Starlink’s Direct to Device Strategy is Delusional

Anpanman

Anpanman goes solo to cover the SpaceX IPO, arguing it could become the biggest meme stock ever due to its tiny public float. He also covers how liquidity draining from the space sector into SpaceX has hit AST SpaceMobile's price and pushed short interest back near all-time highs.

He rebuts ARK Invest's thesis that Starlink will replace mobile carriers outright, calling it delusional and arguing it actually validates AST's MNO-partnership, low-band-spectrum model.

He then covers AST's imminent BlueBird 8/9/10 launch and a new Brazilian regulatory win (free 10x10 MHz of S-band spectrum). He closes with updates on T1 Energy (Section 232 tariff upside, Fuzzy Panda seen as a non-factor institutionally) and Bridger Aerospace heading into fire season.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman argues SpaceX's IPO could become the biggest meme stock ever because less than 5% of pro forma shares outstanding were sold to the public, creating a very small tradable float relative to its roughly $3 trillion-plus valuation, combined with SpaceX's broad brand recognition and exposure to space, AI, and data-center themes.
  • Anpanman says SpaceX's IPO and subsequent trading are draining liquidity from the broader space sector, including AST SpaceMobile, and that AST's real-time short interest has climbed back near its all-time high of roughly 68.4 million shares (versus a recent all-time high near 69 million shares).
  • Anpanman calls ARK Invest's thesis that Starlink will replace mobile network operators outright 'delusional,' arguing a standalone Starlink consumer service would be friction-heavy (separate eSIM/subscription, no indoor or tunnel coverage, dropped calls at handover) because AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile won't grant Starlink an MVNO deal, and that this dynamic actually increases AST SpaceMobile's value since only AST currently has a satellite architecture built around low-band spectrum leased from MNOs.
  • AST SpaceMobile's BlueBird 8, 9, and 10 satellites were scheduled to launch the next morning in a 2:39-4:15 AM ET window aboard a SpaceX Falcon 9, marking AST's first launch in a stacked multi-satellite configuration; BlueBird 11, 12, and 13 are expected to ship soon after, with that next launch guessed for late July or early August.
  • Brazil's telecom regulator Anatel approved AST SpaceMobile for commercial service and allocated a 10 MHz by 10 MHz block of S-band spectrum at no cost, which Anpanman frames as a blueprint for AST securing free spectrum in other countries through local MNO partnerships.
  • Anpanman predicts (as a guess) that T-Mobile will eventually sign a definitive commercial agreement with AST SpaceMobile within roughly 3-6 months, after the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture goes definitive and clears regulatory review, which he says would give AST relationships with all three major US carriers and be a major re-rating catalyst the market hasn't priced in.
  • On T1 Energy, Anpanman relayed a sell-side analyst's view that institutional investors treat the Fuzzy Panda short report as a non-factor and are focused on execution, and that upcoming Section 232 solar tariffs (potentially lifting US module prices from about 28 cents/watt to 38-40 cents/watt) could push G2 Austin facility EBITDA well above $1 billion if fully ramped, a scenario the analyst said could triple the stock over time.
  • On Bridger Aerospace, Anpanman says he remains bullish and continues adding to his position heading into fire season, while the company has yet to decide whether to lease two idle Spanish scooper aircraft in Europe or bring them back to the US.

Detailed Discussion8 topics

SpaceX IPO and meme-stock potential

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:25

    Anpanman says he participated in the SpaceX IPO and flipped his shares at $165, then reconsidered as the price kept rising overnight, and now thinks SpaceX could be 'the greatest meme stock of all time' because it touches multiple sectors people care about (space, AI, data centers) and has universal brand recognition.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:25

    He estimates less than 5% of pro forma shares outstanding were sold to the public in the IPO, creating a very small float; he works through valuation figures on air (mentioning $75 billion, then a green-shoe exercise bringing it to roughly $86.3 billion at 15% for the green shoe), though he stumbles through the exact math live and the figures should be read as approximate/uncertain as stated.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:03:00

    He notes that for a company valued around $3 trillion (as of recording), the tradable float is only about 638 million shares, meaning the stock can be pushed around significantly by trading flows until the first lockup expires, which he guesses is sometime in August or September.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:00

    He describes SpaceX's broader business mix as an investment vehicle: dominant positions in launch and communications, a 'call option' on AI data centers, and xAI, which he says has pivoted to leasing its large compute buildout to Anthropic and Google to show revenue growth (margins unclear to him), and which acquired Cursor (programming tools) for $60 billion to build out AI coding functionality.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:02:30

    He compares X (Twitter) within the SpaceX/xAI ecosystem to Reddit, as a platform generating user content that can be used to train AI models.

Space sector liquidity and bifurcation

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:05:35

    Anpanman says liquidity has been draining out of the space sector (though not out of neocloud names like IREN and NBIS that SpaceX also competes with) as SpaceX absorbs attention and capital ahead of and after its IPO.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:30

    He agrees with a recent comment from Rocket Lab CEO Peter Beck that the space sector will bifurcate into higher-quality names (which he identifies as Rocket Lab in launch/space systems, AST SpaceMobile in communications, and Planet Labs in Earth observation, plus other names like Voyager) versus lower-quality/speculative trading vehicles such as Virgin Galactic and Sidus Space.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:30

    He says AST's real-time short interest has jumped over the last few days, nearing its all-time high of roughly 68.4 million shares (versus an all-time high of about 69 million shares reached a few weeks earlier), which he attributes partly to hedge funds running a long-SpaceX/short-space-basket momentum trade that he expects to unwind once SpaceX pulls back or new space investors look for other pure-play names.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:00

    He relays a point Kook made over the weekend comparing the space trade to the AI trade: just as Nvidia was the obvious pure-play AI name before capital rotated into AMD, energy/gas-turbine component makers, and optical names, he expects capital to rotate from SpaceX into pure-play space names like AST SpaceMobile, Rocket Lab, and Planet over the summer.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:38:30

    He notes the space sector's rally into the SpaceX IPO peaked around the end of May, and that Blue Origin's New Glenn having a mishap on the launch pad put an early damper on sentiment before the IPO itself, causing the sector pullback to arrive earlier than expected; he separately references AST's own setback from BlueBird 7 not being inserted into orbit as a distinct headwind.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:00

    He suggests that if Blue Origin gets its launch pad rebuilt and completes a few commercial launches, Jeff Bezos should take Blue Origin public given SpaceX's valuation, which he says would be a watershed moment creating a genuinely investable public space sector.

AST SpaceMobile launch readiness (BlueBird 8, 9, 10)

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:09:55

    BlueBird 8, 9, and 10 were scheduled to launch the next morning at 2:39 AM (launch window extending to about 4:15 AM) aboard a SpaceX Falcon 9 from Cape Canaveral; Anpanman says weather could push the launch back a day or two but he doesn't expect delays.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:10:30

    This is AST's first launch in a 'stacked' multi-satellite configuration, which he notes some legacy consultants previously doubted was possible in a Falcon 9; he describes a spring-based release mechanism separating satellites roughly 5 minutes apart during ascent to achieve proper orbital spacing.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:45:00

    He expects a shipment announcement for the next batch (BlueBird 11, 12, 13) soon, noting the company has recently achieved about a 3-week turnaround between shipping satellites and having them integrated into a launch fairing; he guesses that next launch happens in late July or early August.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:43:20

    Anpanman states that after this launch, the constellation count changes ('by getting these 3 satellites up, we have 6... increase it by 50%... got another 3, so we're basically double the constellation in the next 2 months') — the specific figures are somewhat garbled/inconsistent as stated and should be treated as uncertain.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:00

    He expects a handful of multi-launch agreements (MLAs) to be announced in the next few months, adding specificity that talks with Ariane and Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) are progressing and that Relativity is likely also in the running.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:45:40

    He speculates that if AST wins the roughly $1 billion Japanese LEO (JLEO) project, he 'wouldn't be surprised' if AST buys launches from Mitsubishi Heavy as part of that package deal.

Starlink vs. AST SpaceMobile architecture and the low-band spectrum advantage

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  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:13:55

    Anpanman characterizes an ARK Invest thesis (discussed 'the other day') that Starlink/SpaceX will replace mobile network operators as 'pretty crazy grand vision, delusional,' but says that even if Starlink pursued this, it would only increase AST SpaceMobile's value.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:14:30

    Under ARK's scenario, a consumer would buy a separate Starlink eSIM as their primary network with an MNO (AT&T, Verizon, or T-Mobile) as fallback; Anpanman argues this would be friction-heavy and non-seamless (dropped calls/data at handover, no indoor coverage) unless Starlink secured an MVNO deal with a major carrier, which he says AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile do not want to grant.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:16:30

    He identifies AST SpaceMobile's key differentiator as delivering service via low-band spectrum leased from MNO partners, which provides strong propagation/coverage in tunnels, forests, and buildings without Wi-Fi — coverage he says a standalone Starlink service would lack.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:30

    He notes Starlink's second-generation satellites use a 5m x 5m phased array serving mid-band/S-band spectrum, and that serving low-band would require a much larger array (roughly 10x10m or 15x15m, comparable to AST's Block 2 satellites) — technically possible for Starlink to build, but he says there isn't much available low-band spectrum globally since most is already locked up with carriers.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:25

    He discusses spectrum holder Grain Management seeking FCC approval to light up spectrum for direct-to-device use, saying the highest-value user of that spectrum would be AST SpaceMobile, but that if Starlink instead bought it, that would effectively be an admission Starlink is entering the mobile wireless business and would push all MNOs to fully align with AST SpaceMobile.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:25:50

    He corrects an earlier statement mid-episode (per a listener correction): Lynk Global is testing with a spectrum holder referred to as 'ATEX,' not Grain Management; Grain's spectrum remains available/unclaimed.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:00

    He argues only AST SpaceMobile currently has a constellation capable of deploying low-band spectrum for direct-to-device service, which excludes Starlink (mid-band/S-band only) and any newer entrants, based on a requirement in a recent FCC filing calling for a direct-to-device provider that can deploy spectrum in the near term.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:00

    Anpanman predicts (as a guess) that T-Mobile will sign a definitive commercial agreement with AST SpaceMobile, likely in a 3-6 month timeframe, but that AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile likely need to finalize their joint venture and clear regulatory review first, which could delay a T-Mobile/AST definitive deal even though an interim MOU to explore working together is more plausible near-term.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:30

    He argues that if AST locks up commercial agreements with all three major US carriers (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile), that would be 'game over' / game-changing for AST's value, and speculates that revenue-share economics with carriers could shift from roughly 50/50 today toward something like 40/60 over time (explicitly framed as a guess), though AST's existing AT&T and Verizon agreements are locked for the next 3-4 years and unlikely to be renegotiated near-term.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:21:30

    He observes that satellite-disruption risk to carriers has gone from essentially unmentioned on earnings calls 2-3 years ago to occupying roughly 20% of the conversation on recent carrier earnings calls and investor conferences, citing (with some uncertainty, 'was it Oppenheimer') an analyst downgrade of AT&T tied to competitive concerns from Starlink, and noting all three major carriers' market caps have come down on this concern.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:00

    He says the Varda Space CEO (attribution stated with some uncertainty) commented that Starlink would capture the entire direct-to-device market and compete with MNOs, but had no view on AST SpaceMobile when asked, which Anpanman cites as evidence the market doesn't yet understand this space.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:23:45

    He notes SpaceX has pointed to a total addressable market over $1 trillion (including fixed wireless), with direct-to-device specifically viewed by SpaceX as a $750 billion opportunity.

Brazilian regulatory approval

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:22:40

    Brazilian telecom regulator Anatel approved AST SpaceMobile for commercial service in Brazil and allocated a 10 MHz by 10 MHz block of S-band spectrum to the company at no cost, contingent on adhering to the country's requirements.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:20

    Anpanman frames this as a template for how AST can secure streamlined regulatory review and free spectrum allocations in other countries by partnering with local MNOs, calling the free spectrum a 'massive windfall' that the market has not yet priced in.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:26:45

    He separately mentions a filing from about a week earlier in which AST is testing 900 MHz spectrum for military applications with the US Space Development Agency (SDA), and expects an FCC grant related to that SDA work in the near future given its importance for radar sensing and communications.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:26:14

    He mentions a roughly $1 billion Japanese LEO (JLEO) project at a decision point, with Starlink and KDDI as the two front-runners alongside AST SpaceMobile (partnered with Rakuten); he says a decision could come toward the end of the month, based on 'SpaceMob due diligence' and community posts rather than official confirmation.

T1 Energy and solar tariff upside

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:20

    Anpanman relays a conversation with a sell-side research analyst covering T1 Energy, who said institutional investors view the Fuzzy Panda short report as a 'non-factor' and are focused instead on execution and the company's opportunity.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:29:15

    He says the analyst had done diligence after the Trina Solar transaction (announced in November, closed in December) and found DC regulators comfortable with it after the deal passed a CFIUS review — a review he describes as involving all major national-security regulators including the Office of the President, CIA, and FBI.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:29:45

    He notes the company must maintain FEOC (foreign entity of concern) compliance, which it met for 2025 and is working through for 2026 as an ongoing process.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:00

    He discusses Section 232 solar tariffs potentially taking effect as early as the end of the current month, which could raise the US spot solar module price from about 28 cents/watt to roughly 38-40 cents/watt (about a 40% increase); if T1's G2 Austin fab were fully ramped alongside its Dallas solar module plant, he says EBITDA could go 'well north of a billion dollars' at that pricing, though this remains speculative since the final tariff structure isn't yet known.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:31:30

    He and the analyst push back on the concern that higher module pricing would hurt demand, arguing solar panels are a small share of a data center's overall bill of materials, so a 40% price increase likely wouldn't meaningfully dent demand.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:32:30

    The analyst's view (which Anpanman says matches his own) is that if T1 Energy executes this year and gets credit for both phase 1 and phase 2 of G2 Austin, the stock could triple from current levels.

Bridger Aerospace fire season update

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:33:15

    With fire season in full swing, Anpanman says he plans to do an X Space with Ben Deverin (couldn't schedule it the prior day) and believes Bridger's financial performance will come in ahead of where the Street currently expects.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:34:00

    He notes the market is awaiting a decision on whether Bridger will lease its two available Spanish scooper aircraft in Europe or bring them back to the US; the decision has been delayed, but he's heard rumblings of potential contract work that could involve those two scoopers.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:35:00

    He says he continues to add to his Bridger position, viewing it as significantly undervalued by the market despite limited institutional interest currently.

Q&A: SpaceX liquidity drain and space sector price action

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:37:05

    Responding to a listener question, Anpanman confirms liquidity is being drained from the space sector by SpaceX, attributing it partly to 'fast money' investors who bought into the sector expecting a ramp and are now exiting, and partly to some investors shorting the space basket to hedge long SpaceX positions.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:38:00

    Asked whether a SpaceX pullback could take the whole space sector down with it ('double whammy'), Anpanman says that's a real risk, but notes the sector has already given back much of its gains since the end of May.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:40:00

    He walks through year-to-date price levels from memory: BlackSky started the year around $18, peaked near $53-55 at the end of May, and was at $29 as of the episode; Rocket Lab started the year at $70, peaked around $150 at the end of May, and was around $104-105; AST SpaceMobile started the year at $72, peaked at $104-105 after the BlueBird 7 launch in April, then peaked again at $135 at the end of May during the broader sector rally, and was at $83 as of the episode.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:41:35

    He attributes the run to end-of-May highs to a 'rising tide' of sentiment ahead of the SpaceX IPO, with the pullback arriving earlier than expected due to the Blue Origin New Glenn pad mishap rather than waiting for post-IPO developments.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:42:00

    He expects the current downtrend to reverse as the upcoming BlueBird 8/9/10 launch and other catalysts land, mentions expecting 'big news around defense awards soon' without a specific date, and reiterates that the market has yet to understand what the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture means for AST if it results in T-Mobile opening its network to AST SpaceMobile — which he calls the biggest unpriced catalyst.

Watch Items9

  • BlueBird 8, 9, and 10 launch on a SpaceX Falcon 9 (AST's first stacked-configuration launch)

    Next morning, launch window 2:39 AM - 4:15 AM ET (the day after this June 16, 2026 episode) Anpanman 00:09:55
  • BlueBird 11, 12, and 13 shipment and next launch

    Shipment expected soon; next launch guessed for late July or early August Anpanman 00:45:00
  • Japan JLEO (~$1 billion) contract decision between AST/Rakuten, Starlink, and KDDI

    Possibly toward the end of the current month Anpanman 00:26:14
  • FCC grant related to AST's 900 MHz SDA military-spectrum testing filing

    Expected in the near future Anpanman 00:26:45
  • Additional multi-launch agreements (with ULA, and progress with Ariane, Mitsubishi Heavy, possibly Relativity)

    Expected in the next few months Anpanman 00:26:00
  • T-Mobile definitive commercial agreement with AST SpaceMobile

    Guessed at roughly 3-6 months out, following the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile JV going definitive and clearing regulatory review Anpanman 00:20:00
  • Defense-related contract award news for AST SpaceMobile

    Expected soon, no specific date given Anpanman 00:39:00
  • Section 232 solar tariff decision affecting T1 Energy module pricing

    Potentially effective as early as the end of the current month Anpanman 00:30:00
  • Bridger Aerospace decision on deploying its two Spanish scooper aircraft (Europe lease vs. US return)

    Pending, previously delayed Anpanman 00:34:00

Open Questions5

  • Will Starlink attempt to acquire available low-band spectrum (e.g., from Grain Management) to build a bigger phased array and compete more directly on coverage, and if so, would that push all MNOs further toward exclusively partnering with AST SpaceMobile?

    Anpanman 00:18:25
  • Which of AST/Rakuten, Starlink, or KDDI will win the roughly $1 billion Japanese LEO (JLEO) project?

    Anpanman 00:26:14
  • What form will Section 232 solar tariffs ultimately take, and will higher module pricing meaningfully affect solar demand for data-center buildouts?

    Anpanman 00:30:00
  • Will Bridger Aerospace lease its two idle Spanish scooper aircraft in Europe or bring them back to the US, and is there specific contract work driving the delay?

    Anpanman 00:34:00
  • Will a pullback in SpaceX's stock drag the broader space sector (including AST SpaceMobile) down with it?

    Anpanman 00:38:00
2026-06-15 48:46

Kook's Weekly - The SpaceX IPO Global Market Realignment

Kook

Kook delivers a solo 'Kook's Weekly' analysis arguing the SpaceX IPO is a net positive for AST SpaceMobile.

SpaceX's public debut and its CFO's plan to roll out Starlink Mobile against MNOs will, he argues, force telecom carriers into a defensive 'bear hug' of ASTS while flooding new institutional attention onto the whole direct-to-device sector.

He walks through Batch 1's stacked-satellite readiness in the Falcon 9 fairing ahead of a Wednesday 2:39 AM launch, and refutes prior bear claims that stacking was impossible. He also surveys AST's product roadmap, government/defense pipeline, prospective AI-data-center-in-space opportunity, European JV, and the broader launch-vehicle market.

His headline conclusion is that AST has passed through 'production hell' and is entering a nonlinear, operationally-cadenced growth phase, though near-term risk centers on launch vehicle availability and the stock's recent sharp pullback tied to capital rotating into the newly public SpaceX.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook argues SpaceX's IPO (trading around $168 overnight, implying roughly a $2 trillion valuation) makes SpaceX an 'inescapable attention machine' that will drive new investors researching direct-to-cell competition to discover AST SpaceMobile.
  • SpaceX CFO Brett Johnson, on the company's first day as a public company, laid out plans to roll out Starlink Mobile globally to compete with mobile network operators (MNOs) over the next two years, citing a $1.6 trillion/year total addressable market; Kook argues the MNOs' response will be a defensive 'bear hug' of AST SpaceMobile.
  • AST's Batch 1 satellites (BlueBirds 8-10) are stacked inside the Falcon 9 fairing using two redundant actuators (stated failure probability of 1 in 4 million), refuting prior bear claims from accounts like 'Free Speech' and analyst Tim Ferrara that satellite stacking (rather than a dispenser) was contractually or technically impossible on Falcon 9; launch is targeted for 2:39 AM on Wednesday, a roughly one-hour mission.
  • BlueBirds 8, 9 and 10 together are said to provide array capacity equivalent to 11 Block 1 satellites due to a more efficient stacked stowing configuration versus the earlier dispenser-based design.
  • Notes relayed from AST's annual shareholder meeting indicate mid-band BlueBirds could launch by the end of the year (expected to be manufactured after Bluebird 45, with production currently around Bluebird 32), ASIC-equipped satellites are guided to reach 200 Mbps peak speed (2x current satellites), and the company reaffirmed it is fully funded to build 100 Bluebirds.
  • Kook frames AST's large satellite arrays as a major government/defense advantage, comparing AST's satellite array (roughly 800 cubic feet) to the Space Development Agency's York-built PWSA satellites (roughly 3.4 cubic feet, on which the government is reportedly spending about $1.8 billion), and speculates this 'avoided cost' edge could eventually bridge to over $1 billion in government revenue.
  • Kook discusses AI data centers in space as an emerging opportunity, noting SpaceX's own AI-satellite concept video reportedly drew 25 million views, and argues AST's IP and large arrays position it as a potential infrastructure/launch-cargo leader in this space, though radiation-hardening of chips remains a key open engineering question.
  • Kook speculates AST could announce a T-Mobile direct-to-cell partnership, floating that timing could coincide with the anniversary of T-Mobile's exclusivity arrangement with SpaceX lapsing — explicitly framed as speculation, not confirmed.
  • Kook notes ASTS stock sold off sharply the prior week, which he attributes to investors rotating capital out of the broader 'space basket' to fund new SpaceX allocations rather than to any AST-specific bad news, and expects capital to eventually rotate into smaller 'pure play' names like AST, similar to the Nvidia-to-pure-plays pattern seen in the AI trade.
  • On the launch-vehicle side, Japan's JAXA/MHI H3 rocket had a successful launch, Blue Origin's Jeff Bezos reaffirmed plans to fly again before year-end, and Relativity Space (backed by Eric Schmidt) is advancing its larger Terran R rocket — all relevant to what Kook calls the market's main current worry: launch capacity availability for AST's growing satellite backlog.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

SpaceX IPO and Market Reaction

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:02:42

    SpaceX's IPO went very well with tight allocations; Kook says the stock was trading around $168 in the overnight market and calls SpaceX 'an insane company' that has been incredible at innovating, though he states he personally has no view on whether the stock itself goes up or down.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:02:42

    SpaceX CFO Brett Johnson, in his first remarks as a public-company executive, discussed plans to roll out Starlink Mobile globally to compete with MNOs over the next two years, citing a total addressable market of $1.6 trillion per year.

  • Kook Speculation 00:02:42

    Kook argues that while a superficial look makes displacing the world's MNOs look like a huge disruption opportunity, deeper diligence reveals it's an extremely complex proposition, with the most basic obstacle being SpaceX's lack of available spectrum.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:12

    Kook predicts the MNOs' response to SpaceX's public 'we are coming for you' messaging will be a 'great global bear hug' of AST SpaceMobile, as carriers rally around the company that partners with them rather than competes with them.

  • Kook Speculation 00:05:12

    Kook cites a tweet (via 'The Spectator' account) from Sequoia Capital partner Sean Maguire projecting massive growth for SpaceX's direct-to-cell technology, and a follow-up from Anpanman asking 'Sean, have you heard of AST SpaceMobile,' arguing that VC/analyst attention on SpaceX will inevitably lead these same people to discover and study AST.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:05:12

    Kook cites SpaceX President Gwynne Shotwell's CNBC interview (interviewer name given as 'Brendan Morgan,' possibly a garbled transcription) in which she said she expects Starlink Mobile subscriber numbers to 'far exceed' Starlink Broadband-in-the-home, taking this as confirmation that even SpaceX itself sees mobile/direct-to-device, not its existing broadband business, as its next major growth driver.

Batch 1 Launch and Technical Validation

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  • Kook Untagged 00:09:27

    Batch 1 (which Kook initially mislabels as 'Block 1') is stacked 'like tuna cans' with simple mechanical release mechanisms inside the Falcon 9 fairing; Kook calls Falcon 9 the 'Toyota Camry of spaceships' for its reliability, noting Falcon 9's overall launch success rate is '99-plus out of 100.'

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:09:27

    Launch is targeted for 2:39 AM on Wednesday, described as a roughly one-hour mission, with Batch 2 satellites expected to follow closely behind (Kook notes bears worry there may end up being more satellites than available rockets to launch them).

  • Kook Confirmed 00:09:27

    Citing an analysis from 'Katzy,' Kook describes the satellite-stacking mechanism as using two redundant actuators (not one) specifically to avoid a single point of failure, with a stated failure probability of one in four million for a given actuator.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:13:47

    Bears including the account 'Free Speech' and analyst Tim Ferrara had claimed SpaceX would never allow another manufacturer to physically stack satellites on Falcon 9, that all multi-satellite deployments (including on Block 5) require a dispenser, and that SpaceX holds a patent preventing the stacking approach; Kook says the successful stacking demonstration proves these claims wrong, and criticizes people who sold their stock based on such warnings.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:13:47

    Kook, citing a visual comparison Anpanman shared, notes BlueBirds 8, 9 and 10 (Batch 1) together represent the array-capacity equivalent of 11 Block 1 satellites, due to a more efficient stacked stowing configuration versus the earlier dispenser-based design — relevant to future fairing-space efficiency.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:12

    Kook speculates the company likely has a press release ready for a successful Batch 1 deployment and possibly a Batch 2 shipping-readiness release coming soon, though he says he doesn't actually know if Batch 2 is fully ready to ship.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:12

    Kook believes Bluebird 6 (FM1) has likely already commenced commercial operations, noting this had not yet been confirmed as of the Q1 10-Q; he expects a possible confirming press release soon and says the market likely won't care much, but he personally views FM1's operational status as important to his long-term thesis.

Product Roadmap and Financial Position

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:21:12

    Per notes relayed from AST's annual shareholder meeting (via 'Tanner'), mid-band BlueBirds could launch by the end of the year, expected to be manufactured after Bluebird 45; production is currently around Bluebird 32, still working through the initial 'shell' of low-band satellites.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:21:12

    Same annual-meeting notes indicate Block 3 satellites are tied to the Ligado spectrum build-out (contingent on related FCC approval), and ASIC-equipped Bluebirds are expected to reach twice the peak data speed of the company's current field-programmable satellites — stated as 200 megabits per second.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:21:12

    The company confirmed it remains fully funded to build 100 Bluebirds and guided toward accelerating commercial distribution agreements (DAs) and possible additional prepayments.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:12

    Kook says he'd personally like to see the company's cash balance stay above $2 billion given its strong balance sheet, and isn't eager to see cash drawn down, believing there are multiple paths to that outcome.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:12

    Referencing a Banyan Lane Capital tweet comparing Tesla's and SpaceX's minimum-viable-product-to-breakaway-growth trajectories, Kook maps BlueWalker 3 as AST's 'proof' phase and the current/next-gen Bluebirds as the 'first product' phase, arguing AST has already been through its 'production hell' and is entering the nonlinear compounding phase of value growth.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:12

    Referencing his own May 19th tweet, Kook floats that ASTS could reach $900/share by next May — roughly a 10x from the ~$90 level at the time — explicitly framing this as speculative ('not saying we hit 900, but I think it's reasonable'), predicated on the idea the hardest early scaling work is largely behind the company.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:12

    Kook speculates AST may be close to a T-Mobile partnership, suggesting the timing could align with the anniversary of T-Mobile's exclusivity period with SpaceX Direct to Cell lapsing, and argues that with SpaceX now public, any AST/T-Mobile deal would draw outsized market attention as investors ask 'what is AST.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:12

    Citing a seasonal study from the account @CleverNameTBD, Kook notes ASTS has historically been a 'summer stock,' with stronger news flow and stock performance in the summer months, and expects this pattern to hold again this year.

Data Sovereignty

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  • Kook Speculation 00:27:42

    India paused Starlink approvals the prior week over national-security concerns; Kook frames this as part of a broader global 'data sovereignty' trend that he argues favors AST's model of working within individual sovereign nations' spectrum/regulatory regimes, versus what he characterizes as SpaceX's more borderless design.

  • Kook Rumor 00:27:42

    Kook mentions that Anthropic reportedly had a model he refers to as 'Fable 5' restricted in some countries over the prior weekend due to what he describes as an export-control/data-sovereignty issue, citing it as another example of increasing technology 'Balkanization' — noted here as a claim that is unverified in this context and only loosely tied to AST.

Government and Defense Business

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  • Kook Speculation 00:33:12

    Kook relays an unnamed expert's comments from a call stating that AST's large arrays are proving valuable to high-paying customers, that telecommunications remains the single biggest commercial payer for space infrastructure, and that defense programs including Golden Dome initiatives could also benefit, referencing AST's existing roughly $30 million SATCOM-related government contract.

  • Kook Rumor 00:33:12

    Kook relays an unverified claim, sourced from an Instagram post, that 'SEAL Team 6' is using AST's technology and reportedly called it 'the most extraordinary technology they've seen.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:12

    Kook discusses FirstNet's continued public references to AST SpaceMobile satellite coverage, arguing FirstNet represents a large, high-ARPU revenue opportunity given the high current cost of deploying temporary communications infrastructure in disaster areas; he states there is still no formal FirstNet contract but expresses confidence one will eventually materialize, noting FirstNet already references AST's technology in its documents and AST has tested and gained approval for FirstNet's spectrum.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:12

    Kook notes AST requested a Special Temporary Authority (STA) from the FCC to support non-commercial Space Development Agency (SDA) programs, now visible in the FCC docket, and speculates this filing is the 'tip-off' that Bluebird 6/FM1 has begun operational activity.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:12

    Citing a Katzy-authored thread, Kook compares AST's satellites to the Space Development Agency's PWSA 'T1TL' satellites built by York: York's array measures about 3.4 cubic feet versus AST's 'control' satellite at about 800 cubic feet, making AST's satellites roughly 100 times more powerful; he notes the government is reportedly spending about $1.8 billion on the York satellites.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:12

    Kook speculates that AST's 'avoided cost' advantage relative to programs like York's could let it capture significant government revenue, floating — while stressing he doesn't know the actual figure and is 'taking Scott [Wisniewski] at face value' — that the company could plausibly bridge to 'over a billion dollars' of revenue from these narrower government programs.

  • Kook Untagged 00:33:12

    Kook cites a Katzy thread quoting Senator Mark Kelly referencing AST's existing active radar capability in space.

AI Data Centers in Space

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:35:37

    Kook notes SpaceX unveiled renderings/details of a proposed AI satellite, with an accompanying video reportedly reaching 25 million views; he says he's unsure if it's 'vaporware' but believes SpaceX's known solar-array expertise makes it plausible, identifying chip radiation-hardening and overall efficiency as the biggest open engineering questions rather than the solar/radiator hardware itself.

  • Kook Speculation 00:35:37

    Kook argues terrestrial power constraints make it 'intuitive' that AI compute will eventually need to move to orbit, and believes AST SpaceMobile — given its IP and large array sizes — is well positioned to become a leading third-party infrastructure/launch-cargo partner (potentially even for SpaceX itself) for companies pursuing orbital AI compute, which could also help such partners lower their own launch costs through higher cargo volume.

Europe / Satellite Connect Europe (Vodafone JV)

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:35:37

    Relaying comments via 'European correspondent Peter Lindmark,' Kook notes a view that Europe tends to over-regulate new markets before they exist, and that fragmented national interests among countries like France and Germany could hinder growth of the space industry there, unlike the US's more unified, risk-capital-friendly aerospace market.

  • Kook Speculation 00:43:27

    Kook argues Satellite Connect Europe (the AST/Vodafone joint venture) is likely Europe's fastest path to a working direct-to-device market, and says that despite some noise around new FCC S-band rules and EU rules on foreign-owned joint ventures, he is optimistic these can be structured around and that the venture will secure meaningful spectrum, which Wall Street analysts would value highly.

Global Launch Vehicle Market

4
  • Kook Confirmed 00:43:07

    Japan's JAXA/MHI H3 rocket had a successful launch.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:43:07

    Blue Origin's Jeff Bezos reaffirmed the company still intends to fly before the end of the year, citing confidence in long-lead hardware and booster readiness; Kook says he has no independent way to verify the timeline and is simply taking Bezos at his word.

  • Kook Speculation 00:43:07

    Relativity Space, which Kook says had looked like a likely failure, has been revitalized by investor Eric Schmidt's backing and is advancing its Terran R rocket, which Kook describes as bigger than Rocket Lab's Neutron.

  • Kook Speculation 00:43:07

    Rocket Lab was added to the Nasdaq 100 index on the strength of its market cap and revenue (though Kook notes much of that revenue comes from lower-margin engineering services, under about 30% margin); Kook speculates AST could similarly qualify for Nasdaq 100 inclusion once its own revenue ramps.

Stock Performance and Market Context

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:43:27

    Kook notes ASTS stock 'got absolutely mauled' the prior week, attributing the selloff to investors rotating capital out of the broader 'space basket' to fund new SpaceX allocations, compounded by weak buying interest on an options-expiration Friday; he compares this to the Nvidia-to-'pure play' rotation pattern seen in the AI trade and expects a similar rotation into AST relative to SpaceX.

  • Kook Untagged 00:43:27

    Kook notes broader macro context: the overall market was up, oil prices were falling, and he expressed skepticism about reports of 'peace in the Middle East.'

Watch Items7

  • Batch 1 (BlueBirds 8-10) launch on Falcon 9

    2:39 AM on Wednesday, ~1-hour mission Kook 00:09:27
  • Batch 2 satellite shipping/launch readiness

    "probably pretty soon" (unconfirmed, Kook's guess) Kook 00:21:12
  • Confirmation of Bluebird 6 (FM1) commercial operations via press release

    Possibly around the Batch 1 launch window Kook 00:21:12
  • Mid-band BlueBirds launch

    By the end of the year, per annual meeting notes Kook 00:21:12
  • Possible T-Mobile direct-to-cell partnership announcement

    Speculated to align with T-Mobile/SpaceX exclusivity anniversary; unconfirmed Kook 00:21:12
  • Blue Origin next flight

    Before the end of the year, per Jeff Bezos Kook 00:43:07
  • Formal FirstNet contract

    No set date; Kook frames it as inevitable over a long time horizon Kook 00:33:12

Open Questions8

  • Will Batch 2 satellites actually be ready to ship soon, confirming sustained operational cadence rather than a one-off push to complete Batch 1?

    Kook 00:21:12
  • Has Bluebird 6 (FM1) actually begun commercial operations, and will the company confirm this via press release?

    Kook 00:21:12
  • Will AST secure a formal T-Mobile partnership, and if so, when?

    Kook 00:21:12
  • Will AST's SDA-related STA filing lead to a larger, revenue-generating government contract, and how large could that government revenue opportunity realistically be?

    Kook 00:33:12
  • Is SpaceX's proposed AI satellite/orbital data center concept real engineering progress or largely promotional, particularly regarding radiation-hardening of chips?

    Kook 00:35:37
  • Will the Satellite Connect Europe (Vodafone) joint venture actually secure meaningful spectrum given EU and FCC regulatory uncertainty?

    Kook 00:43:27
  • Will launch vehicle capacity (Blue Origin, Relativity, etc.) keep pace with AST's satellite production, or will rocket availability become the binding constraint on deployment?

    Kook 00:43:07
  • Will AST ever receive a formal FirstNet contract, given the technology and spectrum approvals already reportedly in place?

    Kook 00:33:12
2026-06-10 45:43

Anpanm - Why the SpaceX IPO Changes Everything for ASTS

Anpanman

Anpanman hosts a solo X Spaces recap ahead of AST SpaceMobile's planned June 17, 2026 launch from Cape Canaveral. He covers Micron/BlueBird production cadence, upcoming launch-partner agreements, and possible Golden Dome contract news.

The bulk of the episode analyzes the SpaceX IPO (pricing at $135/share the next day) as a 'watershed event' that will bring sustained institutional and media attention to the whole space sector.

Anpanman argues AST SpaceMobile is best positioned as the strategic direct-to-device counter to Starlink for mobile carriers (T-Mobile, AT&T, Verizon) and eventually big tech (Amazon, Apple, Google).

He closes discussing macro/inflation dynamics and carrier game theory around the closing Starlink/T-Mobile exclusivity window and the AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile joint venture.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile has a launch planned for early morning Wednesday, June 17, 2026 out of Cape Canaveral; Anpanman is trying to arrive around June 16 and says Kook and other community members are also trying to attend.
  • The SpaceX IPO was set to price at $135/share and begin trading the day after this episode aired (around June 11, 2026), selling roughly $75 billion of stock against an implied valuation of about $1.75 trillion.
  • Anpanman personally put in an IPO order for about $2 million of SpaceX stock capped at the $135 offering price ('or nothing'), and expects only a small fill (guessing 5-10%).
  • Space-sector stocks (AST, Rocket Lab, Planet Labs, BlackSky, and smaller names like Sidus Space, Momentus, Satellogic, Virgin Galactic, Firefly) rallied hard into late May 2026 (AST peaked around $133) and then sold off roughly 40-50% from those peaks heading into the SpaceX IPO; several smaller companies raised capital via ATMs near the peak.
  • June CPI inflation came in at 4.2%, in line with expectations, driven mainly by fuel oil, gasoline, and airfare; strong jobs data has shifted rate expectations from possible cuts this year to a possible Q4 hike, which Anpanman flags as important for capital-intensive, high-growth companies like AST that rely on continued access to funding.
  • Anpanman says (per his understanding, unofficial) AST's Micron production capacity is now well north of 6 satellites/month and potentially approaching double that, but bus/composite-ring production is only nearing a 6-per-month cadence, making buses the near-term bottleneck; he guesses an indication on the next batch of 3 satellites could come within 1-2 weeks.
  • Anpanman expects launch capacity to become the binding constraint on AST's growth and anticipates new multi-launch agreements (MLAs) in the near term, including a formal deal with United Launch Alliance and possibly Arianespace, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, and Relativity Space (whose Terran R rocket he guesses could fly in the next 2-3 months to end of year).
  • Space Force awarded SpaceX a $2.3 billion 'MilNet' SATCOM backbone contract as part of multi-vendor Golden Dome-related awards; Anpanman speculates AST could announce its own large Golden Dome-related contract within the next 1-3 weeks.
  • T-Mobile's exclusivity period with Starlink Direct to Cell is ending in the next few weeks; Anpanman speculates T-Mobile could announce a non-exclusive MOU or agreement with AST SpaceMobile around that time, potentially tied to the AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile joint venture negotiations.
  • Anpanman argues regulators are unlikely to force MNOs to grant SpaceX MVNO wholesale access, since the FCC/DOJ favor facilities-based (spectrum/tower-owning) competition over resellers, citing Dish Network's failed attempt to become a 4th carrier.
  • Anpanman speculates SpaceX buying a US wireless carrier (e.g. T-Mobile) would likely crater SpaceX's valuation by 30-40% because it would get re-rated as a slow-growth telecom (T-Mobile trades around 7.5x EBITDA, with guided revenue of about $95 billion and EBITDA of about $37 billion this year) rather than a space/data-center growth story — so he doesn't expect it to happen.
  • Anpanman guesses Amazon could eventually partner with AST SpaceMobile for direct-to-cell, but likely not for another 2-3 years (spitballing 2028-2029), since Amazon must first clear regulatory approval of its Globalstar/Kuiper-related deal and deploy the MDA Space-built 'Aurora' satellites (about 50 satellites, mostly narrowband-focused).

Detailed Discussion9 topics

Launch Prep for June 17 Launch

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:28

    The next AST SpaceMobile launch is happening early morning on Wednesday, June 17, out of Cape Canaveral.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:25

    Correcting an earlier statement, he now plans to arrive at the Cape on Tuesday, June 16 rather than Wednesday; he's booked a hotel but not a flight yet, and attendance is '50/50' pending childcare arrangements.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:20:28

    Kook is reportedly trying to clear his calendar to attend the launch in person, along with a number of other community members; a coordination group has formed, with many staying at the Titusville Courtyard Marriott or the Hyatt across the street near Kennedy Space Center, from which launch can be viewed.

SpaceMob Community and Media Mindshare

2
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:02:13

    Gives a shoutout to the Space Stocks Weekly crew (Space Investor, Jacob, Brett, and others); the show started roughly a year and a half ago focused mainly on Rocket Lab before growing into an all-encompassing community covering AST SpaceMobile, Planet Labs, and other space names, now held weekly on Tuesdays at 8pm.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:02:13

    A Dow Jones article (also reposted on Morningstar, MarketWatch, and Wall Street Journal) highlighted this SpaceMob/Space Stocks Weekly community, which he cites as evidence that retail space investing is becoming mainstream.

SpaceX IPO Impact Analysis

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:04:58

    The SpaceX IPO is priced at $135/share and is expected to price and begin trading the day after this recording; the deal sells about $75 billion of stock against an implied overall valuation of roughly $1.75 trillion.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:58

    Calls the IPO a 'watershed event' for the space sector that will bring sustained daily media coverage (Bloomberg, WSJ, Investor's Business Daily) and institutional/retail mindshare to adjacent names like AST SpaceMobile, Rocket Lab, and Planet Labs, which he says would not have gotten this level of coverage otherwise.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:04:58

    Discloses he originally didn't plan to buy into the IPO but changed his mind after seeing retail was getting a large allocation; he put in an order for about $2 million of SpaceX stock, capped at the $135 offering price with no willingness to pay more, and expects only a small fill.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:04:58

    Space-sector stocks rallied hard into late May (AST around $133, Rocket Lab around $130-140, BlackSky into the $50s) before selling off roughly 40-50% from those peaks by the time of the IPO; several smaller/microcap names (Sidus Space, Momentus, Satellogic, Virgin Galactic, Firefly, plus larger names Rocket Lab, Redwire, Planet Labs) raised capital via ATM sales near the peak.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:04:58

    Having watched the SpaceX IPO roadshow as an E*Trade/Morgan Stanley client, he came away 'very bullish' on SpaceX despite some skepticism about the pitch, and expects strong IPO demand since TMT investors will feel obligated to own at least some exposure.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:29:28

    In response to a listener question, confirms it's normal for investors and funds to sell existing positions (including space-sector names) to free up cash/margin to participate in a large IPO like SpaceX's, and that this selling pressure could be a near-term drag on space stocks — comparing the dynamic to broader market-liquidity concerns around other large pending IPOs like OpenAI and Anthropic.

Space Data Center / Market TAM Thesis

1
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:08:43

    Argues space-based AI data centers represent a very large, largely untapped market opportunity beyond communications or Earth observation, which he says undercuts bearish arguments that there isn't enough economic demand to support all the launch capacity being built.

Macro: Inflation and Rate Outlook

5
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:12:28

    CPI inflation came in at 4.2%, in line with expectations, with the increase driven mainly by fuel oil, gasoline, and airfare (per a Charles Schwab CPI breakdown he tweeted), tied to oil-price pressure from the Iran situation.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:12:28

    Rate expectations have shifted from a potential 1-2 cuts this year to a potential hike in Q4, following a strong jobs report reinforced by private payroll data.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:12:28

    Speculates (explicitly a guess, prompted by asking ChatGPT) that the strong jobs number could be inflated by temporary World Cup-related hospitality hiring in the US, which might reverse once the tournament ends.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:12:28

    Notes the macro/rate environment matters for capital-intensive, high-growth companies like AST that need continuous funding cycles: an accommodative Fed with cheap borrowing and open capital markets is favorable, while a 2022-style tightening environment is not.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:12:28

    Mentions Iran having downed a US Apache helicopter and the US responding overnight, with Trump using tough rhetoric as a negotiating tactic; flags this as a macro/oil-price risk to watch given Trump's sensitivity to stock-market reactions.

Production Update: Micron and BlueBird Cadence

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:28

    Says (from what he understands, unofficial) the next batch of 3 satellites ('batch 2') is progressing well and the company could indicate within the next 1-2 weeks that it's done and ready for testing/shipment.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:28

    Believes the company can now produce Micron modules 'well north of 6 satellites worth a month,' possibly approaching double that (near 12/month), while bus/composite-ring production (which houses the control set) is only nearing a 6-per-month cadence, making buses the near-term production bottleneck.

Launch Partner Expansion (MLAs)

6
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:58

    Expects launch capacity to soon become the binding constraint once production cadence ramps, and believes the company is working to secure more guaranteed launches, including additional SpaceX slots.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:58

    Expects a formal multi-launch agreement (MLA) with United Launch Alliance in the near term, given the companies are already working together informally.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:58

    Names Arianespace, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, and Relativity Space as other launch providers he expects AST to sign agreements with in the coming weeks and months.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:23:58

    Relativity Space, now under Eric Schmidt's leadership (whom he compares to Elon Musk/Jeff Bezos in execution ability), is developing the Terran R rocket, which he guesses could launch in the next 2-3 months or possibly closer to year-end.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:23:58

    Reports (from what he's been hearing) that Blue Origin's SLC-36 and SLC-36B launch pads appear on track to be ready by the end of the year, better progress than many skeptics expected, given the resources being devoted to it.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:23:58

    Notes existing launch capacity also includes ISRO's LVM-3, which can carry 2 composite BlueBirds per launch, alongside Blue Origin.

Golden Dome and Space Force Contracts

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:27:13

    Space Force awarded a $2.3 billion contract to SpaceX to accelerate the 'MilNet' SATCOM backbone, part of a broader push including next-generation radar capability contracts; these awards are structured as multi-vendor, not sole-sourced.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:27:13

    Given the timing of these multi-vendor award announcements, he 'would not be surprised' if AST SpaceMobile announces a fairly large Golden Dome-related contract award within the next 1-3 weeks.

Carrier Game Theory: Starlink, T-Mobile, and the AT&T/Verizon JV

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:29:28

    T-Mobile's exclusivity period with Starlink Direct to Cell is set to end in the next few weeks.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:28

    Speculates T-Mobile could announce a non-exclusive MOU or commercial agreement with AST SpaceMobile once the exclusivity window closes, potentially timed to coincide with the conclusion of the AT&T-Verizon-T-Mobile joint venture negotiations; under such a deal T-Mobile would continue working with Starlink as well.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:28

    Argues carriers need to publicly maintain they'll keep offering Starlink alongside AST to avoid antitrust concerns as they present the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile spectrum-pooling joint venture to regulators as pro-consumer and non-exclusionary.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:28

    Views SpaceX's 'Starlink Mobile' ambitions (global roaming positioning referenced by SpaceX's CFO) as a serious competitive threat to MNOs, reinforcing his view that AST SpaceMobile is the logical strategic counter for MNOs globally and eventually large tech companies like Google, Apple, and Amazon.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:28

    In response to a listener question, says he doesn't see regulators forcing an MNO to grant SpaceX MVNO wholesale access, since the FCC/DOJ favor facilities-based (spectrum- and tower-owning) competition over resale arrangements, citing Dish Network's failed attempt (after buying Sprint assets and spectrum) to become a viable 4th facilities-based carrier.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:28

    Notes game theory could still cause one carrier to 'break' and offer Starlink Mobile wholesale access if it calculates the wholesale volume gain outweighs losing subscriber share to the other two carriers, but believes none of the three currently want to make that trade-off given the long-term competitive risk.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:28

    In response to a listener's suggestion that SpaceX's ~$75 billion IPO raise could fund a US MNO acquisition (e.g. T-Mobile), argues this would likely crater SpaceX's valuation by roughly 30-40% since it would get re-rated as a slow-growth telecom rather than a space/data-center growth story; cites T-Mobile trading around 7.5x EBITDA with guided revenue of about $95 billion and EBITDA of about $37 billion this year as the kind of valuation compression that would result, so he doesn't expect SpaceX to pursue it.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:29:28

    In response to a question about Amazon/Blue Origin's direct-to-cell timing, says a partnership between AST and Amazon doesn't make sense near-term since Amazon/Kuiper still needs regulatory approval for its Globalstar-related deal and must first launch older Globalstar satellites plus roughly 50 next-generation 'Aurora' satellites built by MDA Space, which he believes are narrowband-focused rather than full broadband direct-to-cell; he guesses (spitballing) an AST-Amazon tie-up could happen around 2028-2029, after Amazon works through its fixed-wireless buildout obligations and Apple commitments.

Watch Items8

  • AST SpaceMobile launch from Cape Canaveral

    Early morning Wednesday, June 17, 2026 Anpanman 00:00:28
  • SpaceX IPO pricing and first day of trading

    The day after this episode (~June 11, 2026) Anpanman 00:04:58
  • Indication that 'batch 2' (next 3 satellites) is complete and ready to ship

    Next 1-2 weeks (Anpanman's guess) Anpanman 00:20:28
  • Formal multi-launch agreement (MLA) with United Launch Alliance

    Near term (Anpanman's guess) Anpanman 00:23:58
  • Relativity Space Terran R first launch

    Next 2-3 months, possibly closer to end of year (Anpanman's guess) Anpanman 00:23:58
  • Blue Origin SLC-36/36B launch pad readiness

    By the end of the year (per Anpanman's sources) Anpanman 00:23:58
  • Possible large AST SpaceMobile Golden Dome-related contract announcement

    Next 1-3 weeks (Anpanman's guess) Anpanman 00:27:13
  • Possible T-Mobile MOU/agreement with AST SpaceMobile as Starlink exclusivity ends

    Next few weeks Anpanman 00:29:28

Open Questions5

  • How will the SpaceX IPO trade after pricing, and will that lift or drag the broader space sector (including AST)?

    Anpanman 00:04:58
  • Will investors who don't get filled on the SpaceX IPO rotate that capital back into beaten-down space names like AST SpaceMobile?

    Anpanman 00:04:58
  • Will T-Mobile announce an MOU or commercial agreement with AST SpaceMobile once its Starlink exclusivity period ends?

    Anpanman 00:29:28
  • Will AST SpaceMobile receive a Golden Dome-related contract award in the coming weeks, following the multi-vendor award pattern seen with SpaceX's MilNet contract?

    Anpanman 00:27:13
  • Will Amazon eventually partner with AST SpaceMobile for direct-to-cell service once its Kuiper/Globalstar regulatory and constellation obligations are resolved?

    Anpanman 00:29:28
2026-06-09 44:26

Anpanman - Launch and SpaceX IPO Roadshow Secrets

Anpanman

Anpanman covers the confirmed launch of Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10 on a SpaceX Falcon 9 for Wednesday, June 17, without a company-sponsored event. He also covers community/meetup plans at Cape Canaveral.

He debunks a long-running 'satellites won't fit in the Falcon 9 fairing' rumor, and recaps an options trader's large losing bet against the stock.

He spends the bulk of the episode dissecting the SpaceX IPO roadshow, arguing that Starlink's admitted plan to compete directly with mobile carriers validates AST SpaceMobile's low-band spectrum moat and its emerging alignment with the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture.

His headline conclusion is that Starlink can capture a slice of the mobile market with mid-band spectrum and new handsets, but only AST's existing low-band, unmodified-handset architecture can deliver true carrier-grade replacement service. That makes SpaceX's mobile ambitions a catalyst rather than a threat for ASTS.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile's Block 2 Bluebird satellites 8, 9, and 10 are scheduled to launch on a SpaceX Falcon 9 on Wednesday, June 17, with a launch window of roughly 2:30 AM to 4:15 AM; unlike prior launches, this one will not be a company-sponsored event.
  • Anpanman says the company plans to hold a sponsored event for the next batch (Bluebirds 11, 12, and 13), which he guesses could happen in July or early August, though no date has been set.
  • A long-standing bearish rumor claiming AST's satellites were too large to fit inside a Falcon 9 payload fairing, traced by Anpanman to analyst Tim Farrar (referred to in the transcript as 'Tim Ferrara'/'Tim Ferriss'), has been disproven by a published photo of Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10 stacked inside a Falcon 9 fairing.
  • A trader nicknamed 'Tinderbox' bought 200 in-the-money weekly $100 put options on ASTS for $10.20 each (about $204,000 total) the day before the episode, needing the stock to fall below $89.75 to break even; instead the stock was expected to close above $100, leaving him down an estimated $150,000-$160,000.
  • AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile recently announced a joint venture to coordinate satellite connectivity strategy, pool spectrum, and reduce costs; Anpanman says he has confirmed with AST SpaceMobile that the company is the venture's primary satellite partner, even though this isn't yet public knowledge in the market.
  • AT&T and Verizon hold multi-year (roughly 2-3 year) exclusivity with AST SpaceMobile; T-Mobile's separate exclusivity arrangement with Starlink/T-Satellite is expiring around June or July 2026, but Anpanman doesn't expect T-Mobile to drop that service immediately.
  • In a SpaceX IPO roadshow clip, CFO Brett Johnson and Gwynne Shotwell described explicit plans to compete directly with mobile network operators globally over roughly the next two years via Starlink Mobile — described by Anpanman as SpaceX's 'mask off' moment on this strategy.
  • Anpanman argues AST SpaceMobile has a durable structural advantage over Starlink because AST's satellites are architected to use existing low-band spectrum (600-900 MHz) and can work with unmodified, existing handsets, while Starlink's satellites only use mid-band spectrum and will require new handsets built to support newly acquired (EchoStar) spectrum.
  • AST has already demonstrated 100 Mbps service with Block 1 satellites; the Block 2 satellites currently launching are expected to deliver around 200 Mbps, while Starlink's next-generation satellite is targeting roughly 150 Mbps but isn't expected to deploy for about two to three years.
  • AST's revenue-sharing structure with carriers is roughly a 50/50 split, compared to what Anpanman describes as Starlink's arrangement with T-Mobile of keeping about 80% and passing 20% to the carrier.
  • Anpanman speculates that the SpaceX IPO roadshow revealed a large and fast-growing AI compute-leasing business, citing deals where SpaceX rents out data-center capacity (built originally for xAI) to Anthropic and Google, with the Google arrangement cited at roughly $900 million per month and combined Anthropic/Google leasing later described as around $1.5 billion per month.
  • A SpaceX roadshow presenter described converting next-generation Starlink communications satellites into AI data-center satellites by removing the phased array and adding radiators for heat dissipation, which Anpanman says mirrors his own long-standing thesis that AST's Block 2 satellites could similarly be adapted into AI-compute satellites by swapping phased-array elements for heat sinks and swapping ASICs for GPUs/TPUs.
  • Anpanman criticizes commentators (naming a Rocket Lab shareholder referred to as 'Stan') who simultaneously argue AST SpaceMobile and SpaceX are overvalued while holding Rocket Lab, calling this self-defeating since space-sector valuations tend to move in tandem.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

Bluebird 8, 9, 10 Launch Logistics and Community Meetup

5
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:18

    Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10 are scheduled to launch aboard a SpaceX Falcon 9 on Wednesday, June 17; this coming launch will not be a company-sponsored event, though the company mentioned plans for a sponsored event around the next batch, Bluebirds 11, 12, and 13, which Anpanman guesses (not confirmed) could occur in July or early August depending on production and launch scheduling.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:59

    The launch window opens at 2:30 AM and extends to about 4:15 AM Wednesday morning; Anpanman is flying down Wednesday evening after his kids are out of school, plans to catch some sleep, attend the launch, then fly back to New York afterward.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:52

    He booked a hotel room at the Courtyard Titusville (later corrected in the Q&A to Tuesday the 16th through Wednesday the 17th, not Wednesday night as he originally said) and invites listeners to meet up there; he notes a nice rooftop bar and lobby, and that a Hyatt next door also has rooms available since this isn't a company-sponsored event.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:52

    He mentions that a community member, Steve Larsen, is buried at a site behind the Titusville hotel overlooking Kennedy Space Center, and that he has shared Google Maps coordinates previously for those who want to visit; he plans to visit during this trip.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:44:38

    In audience Q&A, when asked when the next PR for the following Bluebird batch might come, Anpanman said he expects it sometime in the middle to back half of the month (June), but was not certain.

Debunking the Fairing FUD and FUD Accounts

3
  • Anpanman Rumor 00:03:13

    A rumor originating around Mobile World Congress, which he attributes to analyst Tim Farrar (transcribed as 'Tim Ferrara'/'Tim Ferriss'), claimed AST's satellites would not fit inside a standard Falcon 9 fairing and that all of the company's 2025-era Falcon 9 launches were consequently 'off the table'; hedge funds reportedly circulated this as bearish news.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:03:13

    Anpanman says this claim has now been debunked by a published photo showing Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10 stacked together inside a Falcon 9 fairing, and notes the company has said from the start that its satellites are architected to fit within any standard fairing (Falcon 9, Ariane 6, Blue Origin New Glenn, etc.).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:07:17

    He discusses a broader pattern of pseudonymous anti-AST accounts (naming 'Philip Lyle Free Speech' and 'Sprites/Shorts Manager' as examples) who have spent years trying to spread FUD and short the stock, claiming some of these accounts are actually SpaceX employees moonlighting online; he frames the persistence of the SpaceX Starlink direct-to-cell business as validation that this market is real, undercutting years of claims that direct-to-device would never matter.

Options Trader Loss on Bearish Bet

2
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:10:02

    A trader ('Tinderbox') who publicly polled where ASTS would trade after the Bluebird 8/9/10 launch (offering choices of below $50, $40, or $30) bought 200 in-the-money weekly $100 put options at $10.20 each (about $204,000 total) at 2:51 PM the prior day, when the stock was trading around $92; his breakeven was $89.75.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:10:02

    Anpanman expected the stock to close that day above $100 (potentially above $105, with $120-130 possible depending on macro factors like Iran-related news or a Trump-related de-escalation), meaning the trader's puts would likely be worth only $2-3 at the open, translating to an estimated loss of roughly $150,000-$160,000, around 70-80% of his position.

SpaceX IPO Roadshow and the Carrier Joint Venture

5
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:12:52

    Anpanman watched the SpaceX IPO roadshow via his E-Trade/Morgan Stanley brokerage access and posted a short excerpt of SpaceX CFO Brett Johnson discussing Starlink Mobile plans, noting a separate, more 'sanitized' Gavin Baker interview posted by Elon Musk covers similar ground with less pointed language.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:15:17

    About two weeks before this episode, AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile announced a joint venture to coordinate satellite service delivery, reduce network deployment costs, and pool spectrum; AST SpaceMobile put out its own press release roughly a minute after that announcement, and Anpanman says he has personally confirmed with the company that AST is the joint venture's satellite partner, even though the market broadly doesn't know this yet.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:17

    He explains that for the joint venture to clear antitrust approval, the carriers likely have to frame it as open to working with multiple satellite providers (e.g., possibly Viasat), but says it's clear AT&T and Verizon are focused on AST, given their existing 2-3 year AST exclusivity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:15:17

    T-Mobile's exclusivity arrangement with Starlink is expiring this month or next, but Anpanman doesn't expect T-Mobile to drop the Starlink-based service soon, expecting them to keep it running through the regulatory process while also joining the AT&T/Verizon-AST joint venture.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:12:52

    Roughly 12-13 hours after the carrier joint venture announcement, Gwynne Shotwell of SpaceX said the company would be competing with all the MNOs ('David and Goliath'), which Anpanman calls a 'mask off' admission of Starlink's intent to compete directly with mobile carriers globally, rolling out a global service over the next two years and selling it directly to consumers.

Technical Moat: Low-Band Spectrum vs. Starlink's Mid-Band Architecture

6
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:17

    He argues Starlink can compete with MNOs 'to a degree' in low-coverage or non-dense areas using roughly 50-60 MHz of mid-band spectrum, offering decent data service, but the service won't work well indoors or through obstructions.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:17

    Low-band spectrum (600-900 MHz) is described as essential for carrier-grade coverage — able to penetrate trees, walls, and subways — and Starlink's satellites are not architected to use it and won't be for the foreseeable future, even as they add more satellites and throughput.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:17

    AST's spectrum strategy layers low-band (for coverage/propagation, currently being launched), mid-band via L-band and pursued S-band globally (for capacity, planned to start production/launch around Q2 of the following year), describing this as two spectrum 'shells.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:17

    AST has demonstrated 100 Mbps with Block 1 satellites; the Block 2 satellites now launching are expected to deliver around 200 Mbps, versus Starlink targeting roughly 150 Mbps with a next-generation satellite that isn't expected to deploy for about two to three years.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:18:17

    Starlink will require new handsets to use its newly acquired EchoStar spectrum, and getting that spectrum incorporated into chipsets requires buy-in from MNOs (who drive chipset requirements with Apple and Samsung); AST, by contrast, uses patented techniques that trick existing, unmodified phones into treating the satellite as a terrestrial tower, so current and older devices already work with AST without new hardware.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:47

    He describes Starlink's approach as high-friction compared to AST's — requiring a new handset, a separate bill/eSIM, and manual network switching that can create rough handoffs (citing user complaints about T-Satellite/T-Mobile handoff issues) — versus AST's model, which integrates into the MNO's core network for seamless handoff and a single bill, likening AST's ease-of-use to Netflix's subscribe-and-use model.

MNO Game Theory, MVNOs, and Revenue Splits

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:47

    One path for Starlink to get low-band spectrum access would be a wholesale MVNO agreement with a carrier (similar to Mint Mobile/Boost), but he says AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile's CEOs have publicly said there's no strategic rationale to offer Starlink such a deal, since it would erode average selling prices industry-wide once 'the genie is out of the bottle.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:47

    He speculates that AT&T and Verizon reasoned that if they didn't let T-Mobile join their AST-aligned joint venture, T-Mobile might instead deepen its relationship with Starlink via an MVNO deal, which would be a net negative for the whole industry — part of why T-Mobile was allowed in.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:47

    He describes AST's revenue split with carriers as roughly 50/50, versus what he says is Starlink's arrangement with T-Mobile of keeping about 80 cents on the dollar and passing 20 cents to the carrier, calling AST's economics 'far more superior' even if pricing pressure eventually pushes AST's cut down toward 35-40%.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:47

    He recaps that AST originally had a 5-year mutually exclusive deal with AT&T alone (roughly a third of the market), then added Verizon (two-thirds), and now with T-Mobile joining the carrier joint venture, AST is positioned to work with effectively 100% of the major US MNO market.

Broader Partner Ecosystem: Google, Apple, Amazon, and Globalstar

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:47

    He includes Google (a strategic AST investor working on handset compatibility) and Apple as effectively aligned with AST's side of the market, noting Apple is partnered with Amazon, and Amazon committed to providing some minimum level of service for Globalstar as part of that arrangement.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:47

    Globalstar is replenishing its older satellites and moving to second-generation MDA Space 'Aurora' satellites, but Anpanman guesses that service will remain narrowband, given limited spectrum, until Globalstar can develop a more robust constellation, which he estimates could be around 2030-2031.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:26:47

    He speculates that Amazon and AST SpaceMobile may ultimately partner directly, reasoning that Amazon/Apple's dearth of spectrum and lack of MNO relationships could make combining with AST's satellite network and MNO ties a win-win over the long run.

Space-Based AI Data Centers

5
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:34:17

    He notes SpaceX is competing across many verticals simultaneously — fixed wireless (Starlink), mobile (Starlink Mobile), AI, AI data centers in space, robotics, and solar cell/module production — describing SpaceX as a 'do-all and do-everything' company.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:34:17

    He says xAI (Grok) built out significant computing capacity but has had 'somewhat limited traction,' and speculates that as a result SpaceX entered short-term, cancellable (roughly 1-3 month notice) compute-leasing agreements with Anthropic and Google, citing a figure of roughly $900 million a month from the Google deal, and later describing combined Anthropic/Google leasing revenue as on the order of $1.5 billion a month; he adds he's speculating that recent departures of original and newer xAI staff may be related.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:34:17

    A presenter on the SpaceX IPO roadshow (name not recalled) reportedly described converting next-generation Starlink V2/V3 communications satellites into AI data-center satellites simply by removing the phased array and adding radiator elements for heat dissipation, since compute and interconnects are already built in.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:34:17

    Anpanman says this description closely mirrors his own longstanding thesis (discussed for several months) that AST's Block 2 satellites could similarly be repurposed into AI-compute satellites by swapping the phased-array Micron elements for heat sinks and swapping the ASICs for GPUs or TPUs, calling the parallel a validating moment.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:34:17

    He frames SpaceX's simultaneous competition with and leasing to Anthropic/Google as normal 'co-opetition' in tech, and applies the same logic to SpaceX launching AST's competing satellites on Falcon 9 — cooperation and competition can coexist, and antitrust law (citing the Sherman and Clayton Acts) would prevent SpaceX from using launch access to block competitors like AST.

Valuation and Sector Comparisons

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:38:02

    He criticizes a Rocket Lab shareholder referred to as 'Stan,' who he says routinely argues that AST SpaceMobile and SpaceX are overvalued, calling this self-defeating since Rocket Lab's own valuation and investor interest are boosted by proximity to SpaceX, and space-sector valuations tend to move in tandem.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:38:02

    He argues SpaceX/Starlink deserves a valuation premium given the difficulty of running a reliable launch vehicle (citing challenges faced by competitors' vehicles, referenced as 'Lourdes' and New Glenn), and says AST SpaceMobile currently trades at a relatively lower valuation that he expects to eventually catch up if projections hold.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:38:02

    In audience comments, one listener notes 'Stan' reportedly sold his Rocket Lab position, moved to cash, then bought into Reddit stock (possibly following another trader nicknamed 'Cyber Prince'), which Anpanman says only lasted about a week for Cyber Prince before exiting.

Watch Items5

  • Launch of Bluebirds 8, 9, and 10 (first Block 2 batch after BlueBird 6) aboard a SpaceX Falcon 9 from Cape Canaveral

    Wednesday, June 17, launch window approximately 2:30 AM-4:15 AM Anpanman 00:00:18
  • Next company-sponsored launch event, expected for Bluebirds 11, 12, and 13

    Guessed at July or early August, unconfirmed Anpanman 00:00:18
  • Next press release covering the following batch of Bluebirds

    Guessed at middle to back half of June Anpanman 00:44:38
  • AST mid-band spectrum shell (L-band/S-band) satellites entering production and launch

    Guessed at around Q2 of the following year Anpanman 00:18:17
  • T-Mobile's exclusivity arrangement with Starlink/T-Satellite expiring

    This month or next month (June or July 2026) Anpanman 00:15:17

Open Questions4

  • Will T-Mobile actually drop its Starlink/T-Satellite service once its exclusivity period ends and it is fully aligned with the AT&T/Verizon-AST joint venture, or will it keep both running in parallel?

    Anpanman 00:15:17
  • How much will AST's roughly 50/50 revenue split with carriers compress over time under competitive pressure, and does that materially change the investment thesis if AST captures the large majority of MNO-based satellite revenue?

    Anpanman 00:26:47
  • Will Amazon and AST SpaceMobile eventually form a direct partnership given Amazon/Apple's reliance on the spectrum-constrained Globalstar network?

    Anpanman 00:26:47
  • Is SpaceX's fast-growing AI compute-leasing business (to Anthropic and Google) a sign that xAI's own compute needs are underwhelming, and how sustainable is that leasing revenue given the short-term, cancellable nature of those contracts?

    Anpanman 00:34:17
2026-06-08 51:00

Kook's Weekly - June 7 - Riders of the storm

Kook

In this solo 'Kook's Weekly' episode (recorded June 7, 2026, published June 8), Kook returns from a camping trip to recap a volatile week for AST SpaceMobile.

He covers market fears of a 'Black Monday' that didn't materialize, a secondhand anecdote about defense-industry insiders buying ASTS, Brazil's 10x10 MHz spectrum authorization, and the latest on Blue Origin's New Glenn recovery after its recent anomaly.

He spends much of the episode arguing that AST SpaceMobile is winning MNOs away from SpaceX/Starlink because Elon Musk's vertical-integration instincts make him an untrustworthy long-term partner for carriers, citing T-Mobile's CFO turning sharply critical of Starlink.

Kook's headline conclusion is that spectrum wins, technology moat (the patented 'Micron sandwich'), and MNO alienation from SpaceX are aggregating toward a 'gradual, then sudden' market re-rating of ASTS, with a speculative multi-trillion-dollar upside from AI data centers in orbit as a longer-dated call option.

Key Takeaways

  • Kook, host of the unofficial AST SpaceMobile podcast, delivered a solo weekly recap episode on June 7, 2026, with no Anpanman appearance except a citation of Anpanman's tweet about T-Mobile's CFO.
  • Kook relayed a secondhand, unverified anecdote from a camping trip: an acquaintance at an unnamed private defense contractor said two of his managers, plus a friend at a larger defense company, had told him to buy ASTS stock — framed by Kook as an informal signal from industry insiders rather than actual inside information.
  • Despite widespread fears of a market selloff ('Black Monday') over the weekend, both broader markets and ASTS traded up when markets opened, which Kook took as a bullish sign.
  • AST SpaceMobile was authorized for 10x10 MHz of spectrum in Brazil; Kook argues this reflects an 'aggregation effect' where efficient satellite systems attract spectrum that would otherwise cost billions of dollars, building toward a future sudden market re-rating.
  • Blue Origin (per Jeff Bezos and executive David Limp) says it is targeting a New Glenn return-to-flight before the end of 2026 following the prior launch anomaly; Kook estimates the realistic delay versus AST's original schedule is roughly 3 to 6 months, though it could slip further.
  • Kook highlighted an unnamed defense-industry contact's claim that AST SpaceMobile's technology moat is protected by patent — the 'Micron sandwich' design lets every square foot of a satellite's array generate power and process signal simultaneously, something no competitor has replicated yet.
  • Kook devoted significant time to speculation that AI data centers could eventually be built in orbit to solve terrestrial power and cooling constraints, framing AST SpaceMobile — with the largest phased arrays in low Earth orbit — as uniquely positioned to benefit, while explicitly stating he assigns zero present value to this in his own investment thesis.
  • Kook argues SpaceX's strategy of vertically integrating all the way to the end customer (as with Tesla) makes it a fundamentally unreliable long-term partner for mobile network operators (MNOs), and predicts MNOs like T-Mobile and Deutsche Telekom will move away from exclusive Starlink partnerships toward carrier-neutral solutions like AST SpaceMobile.
  • T-Mobile's CFO gave an unusually critical public response to a question about Starlink, a marked shift from prior friendly commentary, which Kook and Anpanman interpret as a sign T-Mobile's roughly one-year Starlink contract may not be renewed exclusively.
  • Kook expects an AST SpaceMobile satellite launch within about two weeks of the episode, a further satellite batch shipment in early July 2026, and another launch before September 2026, though he frames these as his own estimates subject to typical space-industry slippage.

Detailed Discussion13 topics

Market Resilience and Weekend Recap

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:27

    Kook says he expected the market to open Sunday night with a 'total implosion of security prices' (a feared 'Black Monday') after a stressful week, but instead checked and found the market — and ASTS — were up, joking that feared negative catalysts ('King Tut's tweets') turned out to be overblown.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:27

    Kook frames his overall philosophy as 'focusing on the fundamentals' rather than reacting to short-term panic, e.g. geopolitical fears like a potential Israel-Iran strike, which he says shouldn't drive decisions to sell positions like the S&P 500.

Defense Industry Insider Buy Signals

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  • Kook Untagged 00:02:42

    Kook recounts meeting someone while camping who previously worked at an unnamed publicly traded rocket company and now works at an unnamed private defense company that relies heavily on connectivity for its systems.

  • Kook Rumor 00:02:42

    When Kook asked if the defense company uses AST SpaceMobile, the contact said even if they did, that kind of usage (e.g., for something like Golden Dome) would be so classified it wouldn't be knowable — described by Kook as 'inside information' in the sense that it's not meant to be known by outsiders, not in the sense of an SEC violation.

  • Kook Rumor 00:02:42

    Kook says he separately learned this defense company had experienced 'difficulties in partnership with SpaceX' that were later restored, which he compares to a similar dynamic he says the Pentagon experienced with SpaceX as an 'unstable yet critical path vendor' — framed as a reason such customers might seek a replacement/alternative partner.

  • Kook Rumor 00:02:42

    The contact told Kook that two of his managers at the defense company, plus a friend working at a larger, unnamed defense company 'that starts with a B,' had told him to buy AST SpaceMobile stock; Kook stresses these people don't have specific insider information but have 'uncommon insight' from working in the industry and seeing where trends (like AI, in the NVIDIA analogy) are headed.

Investment Philosophy: Secular Wave and 'Crazy Founder'

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  • Kook Speculation 00:06:32

    Kook reiterates his recurring framework for the ASTS thesis: identify a large secular wave plus a 'crazy founder' (i.e., Abel Avellan) with a vision others don't see who refuses to accept conventional wisdom that the vision can't succeed.

  • Kook Speculation 00:06:32

    Kook acknowledges ASTS cannot be justified as cheap by conventional valuation metrics (e.g., P/E, 'Intelligent Investor'-style value investing) since it currently has little revenue, and says shorts are correct on that narrow point — but argues the thesis is about the secular trend and founder conviction rather than near-term valuation.

Blue Origin / New Glenn Recovery

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  • Kook Speculation 00:08:02

    Kook recaps last week's panic over the New Glenn 3/New Glenn 4 anomaly, saying initial reports suggest the delay 'is not as bad as feared,' estimating roughly a 3 to 6 month delay versus AST's original schedule, though he notes it could still end up more delayed than that.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:08:02

    Blue Origin stated publicly that it still plans to launch New Glenn again before year-end 2026; Kook says if that slips, it 'won't matter' by then because the market will have more forward-looking information about ASTS regardless.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:08:02

    Kook addresses misinformation from the prior week: comments from Jared Isaacman (initially misheard/misattributed as 'Jacob Keaton'/'Isaacson') that Blue Origin wouldn't launch until 2028 were taken out of context — Isaacman was actually referring to Blue Origin's lunar program, not New Glenn generally — and this was quickly corrected.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:08:02

    Kook describes Jeff Bezos personally on-site in a hard hat/safety coat in 'founder mode,' running 24/7 recovery operations, with NASA, Space Force, and the Trump administration signaling this is a priority; per the latest update from Blue Origin's David Limp, the propellant farm and water tower survived and can be repaired, three of the second stages are undamaged, and the booster survived reentry as well.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:08:02

    Blue Origin will not move directly to the larger 9x4 engine/booster configuration; it will continue with the current 7x2 configuration since that path is already validated, similar to how Kook says ASTS will keep its satellite production machine running rather than pause it.

  • Kook Speculation 00:08:02

    Kook describes a dynamic where alternate heavy-launch providers (he names MHI, ULA, ISRO) were reportedly eager to court AST SpaceMobile as a large customer immediately after the New Glenn anomaly, but that urgency eased somewhat once Blue Origin's recovery update came out; he views AST SpaceMobile's multi-launcher strategy (not relying on one provider) as a positive regardless.

  • Kook Rumor 00:08:02

    A contact who previously worked at a rocket company told Kook that New Glenn's tri-propellant engine is unusually difficult to build but very efficient, and that the failure was likely a process issue in how the hot-fire test was conducted, not a fundamental design flaw — Kook says he hopes this is correct and sees nothing suggesting the rocket is 'terminally flawed.'

Brazil Spectrum Authorization and the 'Aggregation Effect'

2
  • Kook Confirmed 00:10:27

    ASTS announced it was authorized for 10 by 10 megahertz of spectrum in Brazil; Kook argues this kind of announcement is starting to feel routine but actually demonstrates an 'aggregation effect' — because AST SpaceMobile is the most efficient system, spectrum that would otherwise cost '$3, $5 billion or something' is instead being granted to the company as an enabler.

  • Kook Speculation 00:10:27

    Kook predicts the market won't re-rate the stock day-to-day on incremental international spectrum wins like this, but that they are building toward a 'gradually, then suddenly' recognition event, comparing it to how Citadel's Ken Griffin built his market-making business quietly for years before a sudden, obvious dominance.

Short Seller Cognitive Dissonance

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:13:32

    Citing a tweet from an account called 'Tech Investor,' Kook notes that in the roughly two months before this episode, ASTS had a satellite placed in the wrong orbit and its launch partner (Blue Origin/New Glenn) suffered a pad anomaly, yet the stock was up about 40% over that timeframe — which Kook argues should create cognitive dissonance for short sellers, since even a psychic short thesis based on those two negative events would have failed.

  • Kook Speculation 00:13:32

    Kook argues this pattern shows the market is looking through near-term setbacks to a bigger picture, and that the same dynamic can work in reverse for companies that 'over-earn' right before a business collapses (citing Blockbuster as an example).

China's Satellite Constellation Race

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:21:57

    Kook notes China recently launched its Long March 12B rocket, which he says visually resembles a Falcon 9 and may use similar blueprints, reportedly carrying Starlink-shaped satellites (implying a Chinese Starlink-clone constellation); he frames this as evidence of a real global space race that argues for the US space industry to remove artificial barriers and coalesce to win.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:57

    Kook says Blue Origin remains in contention for the NSSL (national security launch) program as long as it stops experiencing launch failures.

  • Kook Speculation 00:21:57

    Kook cites a post noting ULA stacked its first (uncertain figure, possibly garbled) 'LEO-optimized Centaur 5 upper stage' for an Amazon mission, and says Vulcan — a vehicle he says will also carry AST SpaceMobile satellites, with capacity for roughly 5 satellites per launch (Kook's estimate) — is expected to return to service after July 2026.

The Micron Sandwich Patent

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:25:37

    Referencing a post by an account called 'Leo Edge,' Kook explains AST's patented 'Micron sandwich' satellite design: solar cells on one side, heat-transfer components in the middle, and the RF/signal-processing electronics on the earth-facing side, so every square foot of the array does double duty (power generation and signal processing) — unlike most competing satellites, which use their area for either solar or communications, not both.

  • Kook Speculation 00:25:37

    Kook says no other company has replicated this design, and it's unclear whether that's due to patent protection or genuine technical difficulty; he ties this efficiency advantage to what he calls the 'Catseye theorem' — that spectrum flows to the most efficient system, citing the Brazil spectrum award as a supporting example.

AI Data Centers in Orbit

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  • Kook Speculation 00:28:42

    Kook says he's increasingly thinking about space-based AI data centers as a long-term (multi-trillion dollar) opportunity, citing a SpaceX video/comments describing space AI data centers as a 'no-brainer' race to power, since space offers abundant power without the terrestrial constraints of liquid cooling, grid buildout, and environmental impact from chip/precious-metal usage.

  • Kook Speculation 00:28:42

    Kook explicitly states he currently assigns zero value to this opportunity in ASTS and would not pay for it today, but believes AST SpaceMobile 'owns' this business-development angle given it operates the largest phased arrays in low Earth orbit, framing it as a longer-term 'inflection of perception' rather than a near-term catalyst.

  • Kook Speculation 00:28:42

    Kook compares this dynamic to Amazon Web Services, which the market ignored for years until Amazon broke out separate segment reporting (stock reportedly up about 11% that day) — arguing markets consistently misprice inflection points on day one, giving patient investors time to act.

  • Kook Speculation 00:28:42

    Kook notes Marvell's CEO has called connectivity the 'next AI bottleneck,' and that Jensen Huang's comments reportedly moved Marvell's stock up about 50% quickly, questioning whether such large-cap reactions are becoming frothy.

SpaceX Vertical Integration and Risk to MNO Partnerships

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:36:37

    Kook references SpaceX's IPO roadshow-style investor deck, highlighting Elon Musk's stated strategy of building a flywheel — low-cost launch enabling new markets, which generates more launch demand and further cost reductions — combined with a core tenet of vertically integrating all the way to the end customer, as SpaceX/Tesla have done (e.g., Tesla owning battery manufacturing and selling direct-to-consumer, cutting out dealers).

  • Kook Speculation 00:36:37

    Kook argues Musk fundamentally does not respect 'dumb,' 'stodgy' partners like MNOs (comparing this to how he treated auto-parts suppliers and car dealers at Tesla) and will always seek to disintermediate them — joking that Musk has floated making a 'SpaceX phone.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:36:37

    Kook's view is that ASTS's moat holds as long as spectrum and end customers remain controlled by MNOs; the real risk to the thesis would be if SpaceX obtained its own low-band spectrum, built a phone, and had massive marketing resources, which he characterizes as a '20 or 30-year type of problem' unlikely within his investable time horizon.

  • Kook Speculation 00:36:37

    Citing an article shared by 'Alex from Babylon,' Kook argues private markets have been indiscriminately funding many space ventures, including satellite-bus manufacturers, and distinguishes those low-margin contract bus manufacturers (just engineering hours) from a company like ASTS with its own proprietary satellite system and commercial rent-capture model, which he expects to have far better margins, scalability, and enterprise value creation over time.

T-Mobile CFO and Shifting MNO Sentiment on Starlink

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  • Kook Disagreement 00:45:02

    Kook says Anpanman found a transcript of a talk in which T-Mobile's CFO responded to a question about Starlink with a sharply critical, 'full dressing down' tone — a marked departure from prior comments describing Starlink as a valuable, complementary partnership; Anpanman noted 'I've never seen T-Mobile respond like this about Starlink,' and Kook agrees.

  • Kook Speculation 00:45:02

    Kook interprets this shift as connected to T-Mobile and SpaceX's roughly one-year direct-to-cell contract nearing its end, predicting T-Mobile (and Deutsche Telekom) will move toward a carrier-neutral satellite solution — implicitly AST SpaceMobile — either dropping SpaceX outright or making the relationship non-exclusive.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:45:02

    Kook notes Oppenheimer downgraded AT&T citing increasing satellite competition, and argues Starlink's more immediate threat to MNOs is its fixed-wireless home broadband service competing directly for fiber/5G business, more than satellite-to-phone messaging.

  • Kook Speculation 00:45:02

    Kook references a tweet-thread response from Scott Powell critiquing Starlink's reliance on high-band spectrum, which requires a clear line of sight to the sky (e.g., doesn't work under tree cover), versus the BlueBird architecture's massive phased arrays, low-band spectrum, and beamforming, which Powell argues is specifically designed for strong, penetrating, high-capacity real mobile broadband.

Defense/Military Contract Signals

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  • Kook Speculation 00:48:37

    Kook notes that Jennifer Manner was 'liking posts' about MilSatCom (SDA-related programs), and that the SDA's Halo Europa contract — originally awarded in February — is resurfacing in social-media activity; Kook says he agrees with an account called Peter Lindmark that 'something is up,' speculating this could foreshadow new contract news.

  • Kook Rumor 00:48:37

    Kook mentions weekend posts (from an account he refers to as 'Katzi'/'Catsy') suggesting FM1 (BlueBird 6) is now operational and conducting radar-related activity, which he speculates could be connected to upcoming contract awards.

Upcoming Launch and Shipping Catalysts

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  • Kook Speculation 00:48:37

    Kook expects an AST SpaceMobile satellite launch within about the next two weeks from the episode date, followed by the next batch of satellites shipping in early July 2026 based on his own research/estimates, and a subsequent launch he expects before September 2026, while cautioning that space-industry timelines typically slip and he's assuming roughly August for the next shipment as a conservative guess.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:48:37

    Kook references the existing multi-launch agreement (MLA) with SpaceX, noted previously by 'Kevin Chen,' as the basis for a substantial upcoming cadence of satellite launches.

  • Kook Speculation 00:48:37

    Kook says he hopes for news in the coming week about 'encapsulating batch 1' and a confirmed launch date.

Watch Items6

  • Blue Origin New Glenn return-to-flight

    Before year-end 2026 (per Blue Origin's stated target); Kook estimates a realistic 3-6 month delay versus AST's original schedule Kook 00:08:02
  • Next AST SpaceMobile satellite launch

    Expected within about two weeks of the episode (per Kook's estimate) Kook 00:48:37
  • Next satellite batch shipment

    Early July 2026 (Kook's estimate), with a subsequent launch expected before September 2026 Kook 00:48:37
  • ULA Vulcan return to service, expected to carry ASTS satellites

    After July 2026 Kook 00:21:57
  • T-Mobile/SpaceX direct-to-cell contract renewal decision

    Contract described as approximately one year, said to be nearing its end around the time of this episode Kook 00:45:02
  • Potential new SDA/military (Halo Europa-linked) contract announcement

    No specific date given; flagged as a possible near-term development based on resurfacing social media activity Kook 00:48:37

Open Questions4

  • Will Blue Origin actually get New Glenn back to flight before year-end 2026 as stated, or will the delay extend beyond the 3-6 months Kook estimates?

    Kook 00:08:02
  • Will T-Mobile and Deutsche Telekom drop SpaceX/Starlink outright, or simply make the partnership non-exclusive in favor of a carrier-neutral provider like AST SpaceMobile?

    Kook 00:45:02
  • Why is the SDA's previously awarded Halo Europa contract resurfacing in social media activity now, and does it signal new upcoming contract news?

    Kook 00:48:37
  • Will space-based AI data centers become a real, monetizable business line for AST SpaceMobile, and when might the market begin assigning it value?

    Kook 00:28:42
2026-06-03 42:12

AST SpaceMobile - How the SpaceX IPO Valuation Impacts the Space Sector

Anpanman

In a solo X Spaces recap, Anpanman breaks down a William Blair conference note in which AST SpaceMobile's Scott Wisniewski indicated commercial service could slip 3-6 months (to first half of 2027) following the Blue Origin New Glenn pad failure. Wisniewski also confirmed AST received Brazilian regulatory approval for 10x10 MHz of spectrum.

Anpanman spends much of the episode explaining Wall Street mechanics: Reg FD, selective disclosure at investor conferences, and why retail doesn't get IPO analyst projections. He uses them to argue the delay isn't surprising and that the company isn't ready to formalize guidance via 8-K while it's still lining up additional launch capacity.

The headline conclusion is that the delay is real but manageable given AST's $3B+ cash position, its expanding launch options (SpaceX, ULA, and potential new MLAs), and a bullish read on how the upcoming SpaceX IPO could re-rate the whole space sector, with AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile's commitment to AST underscored by a same-day Oppenheimer note on Starlink competitive risk to telecom fiber/mobile business.

Key Takeaways

  • At a William Blair investor conference (a client-only, non-public event), AST SpaceMobile's Scott Wisniewski said the Blue Origin New Glenn launch failure could push AST's commercial service timeline back by an estimated 3 to 6 months, with commercial service now likely activating in the first half of 2027 and beta service still expected to start by the end of 2026.
  • Scott Wisniewski also disclosed that AST SpaceMobile received Brazilian regulatory approval for 10x10 MHz of spectrum usage, which Anpanman calls a significant milestone for the company's global direct-to-device ambitions.
  • Anpanman argues the company has not filed an 8-K or issued formal updated guidance because it is still actively negotiating additional launch capacity (potential multi-launch agreements with Relativity, Arianespace, and MHI) and isn't ready to commit to specifics, not because it's hiding bad news.
  • Wall Street mechanics explain why institutions sometimes learn material information (like conference remarks) before retail: Reg FD allows disclosures at investor conferences to be treated as adequately public once a research analyst publishes a note, even if that's a day later.
  • Anpanman notes AST has over $3 billion in cash, so there is no near-term need to dilute shareholders; the company's last billion-dollar convertible note was raised at less than 3% dilution, which he views favorably in hindsight given subsequent setbacks like the Blue Origin failure.
  • A same-day Oppenheimer analyst note downgraded AT&T due to its fiber broadband exposure to Starlink's fixed wireless threat, while flagging growing risk from Starlink Mobile as well — Anpanman uses this to argue all three major US carriers (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile) are motivated to stick with AST SpaceMobile as their satellite-to-phone answer to Starlink.
  • Anpanman expects the next Falcon 9 Bluebird launch to occur around June 16, 2026 (pushed back a day from an original June 15 estimate due to an unrelated Starlink mission delay), with an official target-date announcement likely around June 7-8 or the following Monday, based on the ~8-day lead time pattern seen before the first Block 1 launch.
  • AST is working to solve what Anpanman calls a launch capacity 'Rubik's Cube' by leaning more heavily on existing SpaceX Falcon 9 and ULA capacity while Blue Origin's New Glenn returns to service, and could potentially pull forward already-scheduled SpaceX launches at an estimated extra cost of $5-10 million per launch.
  • The SpaceX IPO roadshow was set to begin the Thursday following this episode, and Anpanman expects a broad space-sector rally into and around the IPO, followed by a cooling-off/consolidation period, given similar smaller space companies (Momentus and others) have already used stock run-ups to raise capital.

Detailed Discussion6 topics

William Blair Conference: Commercial Service Delay

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    Scott Wisniewski attended the William Blair investor conference, which is a client-only forum (requires being a William Blair high-net-worth or institutional client to attend), sometimes but not always webcast depending on the investment bank.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    Scott was asked directly what impact the Blue Origin New Glenn launch failure would have on the timing of AST's commercial service launch. He reiterated there will be a handful of launches over the remainder of the year aside from Blue Origin.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    Per the William Blair note quoting Scott, he estimated commercial service could see a 3 to 6 month delay, which Anpanman says makes sense given one of AST's primary launch vehicles is out of commission for 6-8 months.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:00

    The note states commercial service will likely be activated in the first half of 2027, with beta expected to start at the end of this year (2026); beta would probably require roughly 20 to 25 satellites in orbit.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:00

    AST received approval from Brazil for 10x10 MHz of spectrum usage — described by Anpanman as a big piece of news he hadn't yet published, giving AST dedicated spectrum allocation to utilize in Brazil.

Wall Street Mechanics: Reg FD, Selective Disclosure, and Why No 8-K Yet

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    Some investors on Twitter complained the company selectively disclosed the delay/Brazil news at a conference instead of via public 8-K. Anpanman explains that under Reg FD, if a company discloses something material at an investment-bank conference and a research analyst publishes it later (even a day later), that is considered adequate dissemination — 'that's just how Wall Street works.'

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    As an analogy, in IPOs retail investors never see company projections directly — only historical financials via the S-1. Company management gives internal projections to sell-side analysts before the IPO, analysts build (and typically haircut/sandbag) models, and only about 30 days after the IPO, when the analyst initiates coverage, does the public learn the estimates. Institutional clients get analyst estimates via sales reps ahead of that public disclosure.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman argues Scott was asked a direct question on the spot and answered honestly; he believes the company isn't ready to formalize guidance via 8-K yet because it's still working on assigning additional launch capacity and possibly signing new multi-launch agreements (MLAs) — an update might come when the company names a target launch date for BB-8, 9, and 10.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman states his personal guess is that the company's prior BB-45 (satellite count) 'stretch goal' target will drift into the first half or first quarter of next year, but stresses this is only his own guess, not company guidance.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    Anpanman notes AST SpaceMobile stopped responding to written retail investor email questions after an incident years ago where a retail investor screenshotted an IR response and later publicly accused an executive of 'lying' when circumstances (and the plan) had simply changed months later.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    He references 'BIA' analysis (a body-language/interview-technique training used by hedge fund analysts, similar to training used by CIA operatives) as a tool investors use in one-on-one management meetings to read what's being said and not said, noting this was a concept Kook has referenced previously.

Competitive Landscape: Oppenheimer's AT&T Downgrade and Starlink Threat

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:00

    An Oppenheimer analyst note published the same day downgraded AT&T, citing its heavy fiber and 5G home-broadband exposure to Starlink's growing fixed-wireless competitive threat, while also flagging Starlink Mobile as an emerging threat; the note suggested Verizon and T-Mobile as lower-risk alternatives.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman disagrees with fully isolating AT&T, noting all three major carriers (AT&T, Verizon, T-Mobile) have fixed-wireless and mobile exposure to Starlink, which is why T-Mobile is shifting toward AST SpaceMobile — he argues this underscores why none of the three carriers will ultimately work with Starlink and why AST is their chosen bet.

Launch Manifest: Solving the 'Rubik's Cube' After the Blue Origin Mishap

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    AST has a baseline of Falcon 9 and some ULA Centaur launches and is working to add more capacity while waiting for Blue Origin New Glenn to return; Anpanman guesses the company will sign new MLAs with Relativity, MHI, and Arianespace (existing MLAs are already in place with ISRO, SpaceX, and Blue Origin, but not yet with ULA, Relativity, Arianespace, MHI, or Rocket Lab).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Regarding the next Falcon 9 launch, due diligence had suggested June 15, but that may slip one day to June 16 because a same-day Starlink mission was delayed by weather; the last Block 1 launch date was announced 8 days in advance, so an announcement is expected around June 7-8 or the following Monday.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    By contrast, the ISRO LVM-3 launch of BlueBird 6 was announced roughly 2-4 weeks in advance, though satellite integration delays meant the effective notice was closer to two weeks.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:00:00

    Anpanman disputes the initial media narrative that Blue Origin's launch pad wouldn't be rebuilt for 18 months to 2 years, or that Blue Origin would abandon the current 7x2 New Glenn config for a Super Heavy 9x4 version — he says those predictions were wrong and 'overblown.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    If Blue Origin says it will launch again before year-end 2026, Anpanman's guess is the real date probably lands in January or February 2027, since 'space things take time'; SLC-36A pad construction progress (cranes clearing debris) will be visible and trackable.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman estimates that by year-end 2026, Blue Origin will likely have about 3 completed boosters (Glenn Stage 1 units 4 and 5, referred to as GS1-4/GS1-5) and upper stages numbered into the high teens/low 20s, meaning the launch pad itself — not booster/upper-stage supply — is the real bottleneck.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    He frames a strategic tradeoff for AST: buy down (pull forward) roughly 15 SpaceX launches now at an estimated cost of about $60-70 million total, versus waiting 1-2 months to see Blue Origin's pad progress before committing further capital, noting the market likely rewards both near-term launch certainty and optionality.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Regarding a prior SEC filing referencing prepayments for 10 launches, Anpanman clarifies this is Space Mob speculation, not company confirmation — such prepayments do not necessarily mean all 10 launches occur within the next 6 months; some could span into next year's Q1/Q2.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    He raises the possibility that AST could pay SpaceX an incremental $5-10 million per launch to pull forward already-scheduled future launches, which the company would weigh economically before deciding.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman expects the next batch of Bluebird satellites (Block 2, following BlueBird 6/7) to ship in the next 2-3 weeks (potentially by end of June) in order to make a July Falcon 9 launch, based on an estimated ~3-week satellite-to-rocket integration timeline.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    In response to an audience question about NSSL (National Security Space Launch), Anpanman says it's a possibility given AST's ongoing defense-side work — if AST wins a significant defense contract deemed important to national interests, it could gain priority access ('front of the line') for Falcon 9 and ULA launches.

SpaceX IPO and Space Sector Valuation Psychology

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    The SpaceX IPO roadshow was set to kick off the Thursday following this episode. Anpanman explains the typical IPO price-range mechanics: banks set an initial valuation range, then raise it during the roadshow based on investor demand (he gives illustrative, hypothetical figures like $1.5-1.75 trillion rising toward $2+ trillion, explicitly noting he's 'just making it up' as an example, not citing actual SpaceX figures), building momentum into pricing.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Anpanman expects a broad space-sector rally into and around the SpaceX IPO, followed by a cooling-off/consolidation period, though he's uncertain whether pullbacks will be 10-20% or just a few percent.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:00

    He notes several smaller space companies have already raised capital on the back of rallying stock prices — citing Momentus and other small-caps, plus Intuitive Machines announcing a new ATM the same day, and Virgin Galactic retiring debt via a stock issuance that caused its shares to drop the prior day.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    On the idea that investors might sell existing space holdings (including AST) to buy SpaceX at the IPO, Anpanman says he personally is not doing so and considers himself a long-term holder who isn't trading around the IPO; he says he's not interested in owning SpaceX given his lack of enthusiasm for the X/xAI exposure that comes bundled with it.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Asked whether EchoStar (SATS) benefits from the SpaceX IPO, Anpanman says yes if the IPO goes well (and it would suffer if the IPO goes poorly), given EchoStar sold spectrum to SpaceX in exchange for stock; he flags concern about EchoStar management (Charlie Ergen and a colleague referred to as Hamid) potentially turning the company into an investment vehicle post-monetization, which is why the sum-of-the-parts trades at a discount.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:00

    Anpanman notes broader macro headwinds are also weighing on markets: a possible 2-month extension with Iran to negotiate uranium removal, and new Trump administration tariffs replacing ones struck down by the Supreme Court that morning.

Balance Sheet and Dilution Outlook

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Asked if AST will dilute shareholders in coming months to pay for additional SpaceX launches, Anpanman says no near-term need since the company has over $3 billion in cash.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    If the stock reaches $150-200, Anpanman believes management would likely raise more capital opportunistically, noting the last billion-dollar convertible note was done at what he recalls as under 3% dilution — he calls this a good move in hindsight given subsequent events like the Blue Origin mishap.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    He recalls (with some uncertainty, saying 'was it like $96?') that the recent convertible note was priced around a $96 conversion price with a conversion premium bringing it to roughly $120.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:00

    Asked if AST will issue another ATM given the delay, Anpanman says it would be smart to have one in place as a backup, but guesses the company likely won't do so near-term since it already has ample cash; he speculates a new ATM is more likely near Q4 2026 if launches proceed smoothly and the stock is trading around $150-200.

Watch Items7

  • Next Falcon 9 Bluebird launch and its official target-date announcement

    Launch expected around June 16, 2026 (pushed back a day from a June 15 estimate); announcement expected around June 7-8, 2026 or the following Monday, based on an 8-day pre-launch announcement pattern Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Shipment/integration of the next batch of Bluebird satellites for a July Falcon 9 launch

    Needs to ship within 2-3 weeks of the episode (potentially by end of June 2026) to make a July 2026 launch, given an estimated ~3-week integration timeline Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Blue Origin New Glenn pad (SLC-36A) rebuild progress and next launch

    Blue Origin has stated it aims to launch again before end of 2026; Anpanman's own guess is more likely January-February 2027 Anpanman 00:00:00
  • AST commercial service and beta timeline shift

    Beta expected to start end of 2026; commercial service now expected first half of 2027 due to a 3-6 month delay Anpanman 00:00:00
  • SpaceX IPO roadshow and pricing

    Roadshow set to begin the Thursday following the episode; pricing expected roughly a week later Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Potential formal company guidance update (8-K or similar) on launch/commercial-service timeline

    Unspecified — Anpanman expects it once the company finalizes launch capacity plans, possibly tied to naming a target launch date for BB-8, 9, and 10 Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Possible new AST ATM equity program

    Anpanman guesses unlikely near-term, more plausible around Q4 2026 if the stock is trading at $150-200 Anpanman 00:00:00

Open Questions7

  • Exactly how long will the commercial-service delay end up being — closer to 2-3 months or 4-6 months?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Will AST choose to pull forward (buy down) additional SpaceX launches at an incremental cost of roughly $5-10 million per launch, or wait to see how quickly Blue Origin's pad gets rebuilt?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Will AST sign new multi-launch agreements with Relativity, Arianespace, and/or MHI, and on what timeline?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • When will AST formally update the market (via 8-K or otherwise) on its revised launch and commercial-service timeline?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Will AST secure a National Security Space Launch (NSSL) designation that could grant it launch-queue priority?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • How will the broader space sector, and AST specifically, trade after the SpaceX IPO prices — will there be a meaningful pullback, and how large?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
  • Will AST put a new ATM equity program in place given the delay, and if so, when?

    Anpanman 00:00:00
2026-06-02 51:15

Anpanman - The End of Smash-and-Grab

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In this solo episode published June 2, 2026, Anpanman rebuts the wave of media FUD that followed the Blue Origin New Glenn pad explosion, arguing that reporters like Eric Berger overstated the damage and delay timeline.

He highlights that AST SpaceMobile's launch-agnostic Block 2 satellite design (an integrated LVA 'donut' shell) lets it flex across many launch vehicles as insurance against exactly this kind of setback.

He also covers Andrew Left/Citron's guilty verdict for stock manipulation as a watershed moment against 'smash-and-grab' short sellers, and closes with a bullish aside on Texas solar growth relevant to T1 Energy.

The headline conclusion: Blue Origin's mishap and short-seller attacks are near-term noise against AST's long-term, multi-vehicle launch strategy and roughly $750B+ TAM.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman argues that journalists (notably Eric Berger of Ars Technica) and other commentators spread inaccurate 'FUD' after the Blue Origin New Glenn pad explosion, including false claims that Kennedy Space Center was completely down, that propellant was leaking and damage cascaded to other pads, and that no SpaceX or ULA launches could occur — all of which were contradicted when SpaceX launched Starlink rockets that same morning and evening and ULA launched an Atlas Centaur that evening carrying Amazon LEO (Kuiper) satellites.
  • Some commentators, including Eric Berger, speculated New Glenn's pad rebuild could take 18 months to 2 years, with more 'optimistic doom maxers' saying 1 to 1.5 years; Blue Origin CEO Dave Limp instead stated the long-pole damaged items were not severe enough to require a full rebuild and set an aggressive target of launching again by the end of 2026.
  • Anpanman says he has heard from multiple sources (people at the company plus cross-referencing) that the Trump administration and NASA have given full support to Blue Origin's rebuild, including a reported call between Trump and Jeff Bezos, reflecting Blue Origin's role in national-security launches and moon/Mars programs.
  • Jared Isaacman was misquoted by CNBC as saying the pad wouldn't be rebuilt until 2028; he corrected this publicly on Twitter/X.
  • Eric Berger claimed within an hour of the explosion that Blue Origin would skip the 7x2 New Glenn configuration entirely and jump to 9x4 — Anpanman calls this illogical given existing paying missions on 7x2 and boosters already built or in production (booster 4 due mid-to-late summer 2026, booster 5 due fall/early winter 2026), plus Bezos's own tour comment implying roughly 11 second stages already produced or in production.
  • AST SpaceMobile's Block 2 satellite design integrates the launch vehicle adapter (LVA) as a permanent 'donut ring' part of the satellite itself (rather than a discarded fairing/casing), eliminating deorbit/space-debris requirements and making the satellite launch-agnostic — able to fly on Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy, New Glenn, ISRO LVM-3, Ariane 6, Vulcan Centaur, and other vehicles.
  • Anpanman contrasts AST's vertically integrated, in-house satellite manufacturing (allowing rapid design iteration, as with the Block 1-to-Block 2 pivot) against ViaSat, which he says claims to be vertically integrated but outsources satellite construction to primes like Boeing and Lockheed, resulting in satellites delivered 3-5 years late and one satellite becoming inoperable ('bricked') in orbit.
  • AST's near-term commercial satellite launch cadence: a batch of satellites (BB8 through BB10) targeted for mid-June 2026, with a firmer target launch date expected by the end of that week, followed by a second batch ('batch 2') targeted for early July 2026 — together doubling the number of AST commercial satellites in orbit within about two months.
  • Anpanman expects the company's previously stated stretch goal of 45 satellites in orbit by year-end 2026 will likely be pushed out toward Q1 2027 given Blue Origin delays, though he frames a few months' slip as immaterial against AST's roughly $750 billion commercial TAM (and over $1 trillion including military/government use cases).
  • Anpanman advocates AST sign additional launch service agreements (MLAs) with providers like Ariane, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI), and Relativity Space to build 'optionality' on top of a baseline of Falcon 9 and ULA Vulcan Centaur launches, arguing this reduces single-provider risk after the New Glenn setback.
  • Andrew Left, founder of short-selling firm Citron Research, was found guilty of stock manipulation (pump-and-dump); Bloomberg reported prosecutors presented emails showing he coordinated short ideas with other hedge funds and bragged that his 'hot voice' with retail investors meant he could 'take candy from a baby.'
  • Anpanman recounts that Andrew Left/Citron pumped AST SpaceMobile in 2021 by tweeting a bullish valuation comparison to other space companies while long the stock, said he would publish a supportive report, then sold his position as the stock rallied and later said he would not publish a report after all.
  • Anpanman distinguishes 'smash-and-grab' short sellers (quick sensational reports designed to drop a stock 20-30% so the seller can cover for a fast profit) from fundamental, long-term activist short sellers like David Einhorn (vs. Lehman Brothers) or Bill Ackman (vs. Herbalife), who commit to a thesis over time.
  • Anpanman names Kerrisdale Capital (targeted AST SpaceMobile in 2022), Spruce Point (targeted Genius Sports), Culper Research (published a report on T1 Energy in January 2026), and Fuzzy Panda (published a report on T1 Energy roughly a month before this episode) as examples of smash-and-grab short sellers he has dealt with directly.
  • Anpanman argues the Andrew Left guilty verdict is a 'shot across the bow' that may curb aggressive, unsubstantiated short-seller claims (e.g., claiming a company is worth zero or fraudulent) industry-wide.
  • Anpanman credits crowdsourced due diligence within the AST SpaceMobile retail investor community ('SpaceMob') with leveling the information asymmetry against institutional short sellers, saying retail investors sometimes know material information before institutions do.
  • Anpanman pushes back on critics who call the AST SpaceMobile retail community pump-and-dumpers, noting he and Kook have held the stock long-term (5-6 years) through a decline to roughly $2 without ever selling/dumping; Anpanman states his own cost basis was around $1.80.
  • Citing a post by Doug Lewin, Anpanman notes Texas added 10 gigawatts of power capacity in the last 7 months, with the breakdown given as roughly 4,243 megawatts from solar, 1,515 megawatts from natural gas/diesel, 148 megawatts from wind, and storage cited around 4.9 (unit as stated, likely gigawatts) — framing solar as the primary near-term dispatchable power solution for AI data center demand.
  • T1 Energy's solar module manufacturing plant is located in Dallas and its solar cell fabrication facility is being built in Austin, positioning the company within this Texas solar growth trend; Anpanman says he hopes for an update on T1 Energy's financing package 'in the next few weeks' to remove an overhang on the stock.

Detailed Discussion4 topics

Blue Origin New Glenn mishap and media FUD

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    After the Blue Origin mishap/explosion of New Glenn and destruction of the launch pad, a number of respected industry journalists and pundits, including Eric Berger, made claims Anpanman says were stated as fact rather than speculation; Anpanman has found Berger's past reporting on Blue Origin to be wrong before (citing 2024/2025 claims he cross-referenced with AST SpaceMobile management and was told were incorrect).

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:07

    Some commentators claimed Kennedy Space Center was completely down, that propellant was leaking through lines, that damage cascaded into other pads, and that there would be no SpaceX or ULA launches; this was proven wrong when SpaceX launched a Starlink rocket that same morning and again that evening, and ULA launched an Atlas Centaur that evening carrying Amazon LEO (Kuiper) satellites the next day.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Eric Berger and others suggested the pad rebuild could take 18 months to 2 years, with more optimistic 'doom maxers' saying 1 to 1.5 years.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Eric Berger claimed within the first hour after the explosion that Blue Origin sources told him the company would skip the 7x2 New Glenn configuration and move straight to 9x4 — Anpanman calls this illogical given a full manifest of paying missions on 7x2 and boosters already completed or nearly so (booster with 2 successful flights/returns already, booster 4 expected mid-to-late summer, booster 5 expected fall/early winter), plus Bezos's tour comment about working on the 15th second stage implying ~11 already produced or in production.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:07

    Blue Origin CEO Dave Limp gave a market update after assessing the damage, stating that a decent number of long-pole items were not damaged badly enough to require rebuilding, and that the company is targeting a launch by year-end 2026 — an aggressive goal Anpanman says should be taken with a grain of salt, similar to a motivational rallying-cry target.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:00:07

    Anpanman says multiple sources at the company and cross-referenced accounts indicate the Trump administration has given full support to Blue Origin's rebuild, including a reported call between Trump and Jeff Bezos, and that NASA is fully behind the effort, given Blue Origin's role in national-security launches and moon/Mars missions.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:07

    Jared Isaacman was misquoted by CNBC as saying the pad wouldn't be completed until 2028; Isaacman corrected this publicly on Twitter/X.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Anpanman argues against pundits speculating SpaceX would retire Falcon 9 once Starship reaches regular cadence, saying Falcon 9 remains a profitable, in-demand program and that vehicle diversity is valuable in case any one vehicle is grounded by an FAA investigation.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Anpanman names Tim Ferriss and 'Pierre Leonet' (described as 'the Space Economist') as examples of what he calls FUD merchants who manufacture negative narratives; note this attribution/spelling may reflect transcription uncertainty.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:00:07

    Reflecting on why space hardware is unforgiving compared to Earth-based manufacturing, Anpanman notes BlueBird 7 was lost because — per rumors he's heard — certain bolts weren't properly tightened, causing one BE-3 engine to fail to ignite during the relight needed for the second (circularization) burn.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:07

    As an example of single-vehicle dependency risk, Anpanman cites a new space station company ('Starlab') paying SpaceX a $90 million contract to launch on Starship using a bespoke fairing, along with StarCloud, both fully dependent on Starship becoming commercially operational.

AST SpaceMobile's launch-agnostic Block 2 satellite design

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:07

    AST SpaceMobile designed its satellites from inception to be launch-agnostic; originally the Block 1/BlueWalker 3 design used a control bus in the center unfolding like a flower, but the company realized the launch vehicle adapter (LVA) casing needed to be deorbited (requiring propellant and navigation systems) to avoid space junk, prompting a redesign.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    The company pivoted to the Block 2 design, where the LVA becomes a permanent donut-ring-shaped part of the satellite itself (housing the control bus, with a tail), eliminating any discarded material in orbit; Anpanman notes FUDster Tim Farrar predicted this new design wouldn't get FCC approval or fly for another two years, which he says was wrong.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Because the Block 2 satellite fits essentially any launch vehicle (Soyuz, Relativity Terran, Rocket Lab Neutron, Blue Origin New Glenn, SpaceX Falcon 9/Falcon Heavy, ISRO LVM-3, Ariane 6/5, ULA Vulcan Centaur), this launch-agnostic design functions as an insurance policy against exactly the kind of single-provider setback caused by the New Glenn pad explosion.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:00:07

    Anpanman contrasts AST's vertically integrated, in-house manufacturing approach — which allows fast iteration when problems are found — against ViaSat, which he says claims to be vertically integrated in earnings calls but outsources satellite construction to primes Boeing and Lockheed, resulting in satellites delivered roughly 3 to 5 years late, with one satellite becoming inoperable ('bricked') after launch.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:07

    Anpanman references past comments from Scott Wisniewski that 'you cannot build through purchase order' — problems found during satellite construction must be corrected quickly in-house, which isn't possible when relying on prime contractors.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:07

    AST's near-term launch cadence: BlueBirds BB8 through BB10 are targeted to launch around mid-June 2026, with a firmer target date expected by the end of that week; a second batch ('batch 2') is targeted for early July 2026, together doubling AST's in-orbit commercial satellite count within about two months.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Anpanman expects the company will likely need to update or push out its previously stated stretch goal of 45 satellites in orbit by year-end 2026, possibly into Q1 2027, given Blue Origin New Glenn delays; he frames a few months' slip as immaterial against AST's roughly $750 billion commercial TAM (over $1 trillion including military/other use cases).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Anpanman advocates that AST sign additional launch services agreements (MLAs) with providers such as Ariane, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI), and Relativity Space to build launch 'optionality' on top of a Falcon 9/ULA Vulcan Centaur baseline, noting Ariane and Vulcan Centaur are largely booked with government payloads that often slip, creating openings AST could step into; he also notes NSSL-designated missions get priority queue placement.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Anpanman notes Relativity Space, now under new leadership including Eric Schmidt, plans to test its Terran R vehicle before the end of 2026, which if successful could open further launch optionality for AST, though a successful test doesn't guarantee near-term commercial cadence.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Anpanman notes the company has over $3 billion of cash and a large market cap, arguing it's worth paying a premium for additional guaranteed Falcon 9 launch slots to lock in launch cadence certainty for the market.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Anpanman expects the company to stop holding large in-person launch events for every mission (given increasing launch frequency) in favor of less frequent celebratory events, roughly once every other month.

Andrew Left / Citron conviction and smash-and-grab short sellers

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:07

    Andrew Left, founder of activist short-selling firm Citron Research, was found guilty of manipulating stock prices via pump-and-dump tactics on both the long and short side.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:07

    Per a Bloomberg excerpt cited by Anpanman, prosecutors presented emails showing Andrew Left coordinated with other hedge funds on stocks he planned to short and bragged that his 'hot voice' with retail investors meant they could 'take candy from a baby.'

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:07

    In 2021, Andrew Left tweeted a bullish valuation case for AST SpaceMobile (arguing it should be worth as much as other space companies) while already long the stock; the stock rallied, he said he would publish a supportive report, then sold his position, and roughly two weeks later said he would not be issuing a report after all.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Anpanman distinguishes 'smash-and-grab' short sellers — who publish sensational reports (sometimes very long, e.g. 300 pages, to appear credible) designed to drop a stock 20-30% so they can quickly cover a short position or put options — from fundamental, long-term activist short sellers like David Einhorn (vs. Lehman Brothers' toxic assets) or Bill Ackman (vs. Herbalife), who commit to a thesis over years regardless of near-term outcome.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:07

    Anpanman recounts personally dealing with several smash-and-grab short reports as a long-term AST SpaceMobile investor: Kerrisdale Capital targeted AST in 2022; Spruce Point targeted Genius Sports (which he also held after its de-SPAC); and for T1 Energy, Culper Research published a report in January 2026 and Fuzzy Panda published one roughly a month before this episode.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Anpanman notes Fuzzy Panda's report disclaimers state they may immediately cover their position and lock in profits after publishing, which he argues is a legal cover that doesn't change the underlying predatory dynamic.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Anpanman argues the Andrew Left guilty verdict is a watershed, 'shot across the bow' moment that should curb the most aggressive tactics of smash-and-grab short sellers, including baseless claims that a company is worth zero or is fraudulent.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Anpanman credits the AST SpaceMobile retail investor community ('SpaceMob') with leveling information asymmetry against institutions through deep crowdsourced due diligence, sometimes learning material information before institutional investors do, which he says makes smash-and-grab tactics less effective against this stock specifically.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:00:07

    Responding to critics who call the AST SpaceMobile retail community pump-and-dumpers, Anpanman notes he and Kook have held the stock for 5-6 years without ever selling ('dumping'), including riding it down to roughly $2 per share; Anpanman states his own cost basis was around $1.80.

Texas solar growth and T1 Energy

3
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:07

    Citing a post by Doug Lewin, Anpanman notes Texas added 10 gigawatts of power capacity in the last 7 months, with most of it dispatchable; the cited breakdown was storage around 4.9 (unit as stated), solar 4,243 megawatts, natural gas/diesel 1,515 megawatts, and wind 148 megawatts.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Anpanman frames solar as the near-term backbone for meeting AI data center power demand on Earth while the industry works toward space-based compute, noting T1 Energy's solar module manufacturing plant is in Dallas and its solar cell fabrication facility is being built in Austin, both within the fast-growing Texas solar buildout.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:07

    Anpanman says he hopes for an update on T1 Energy's financing package in the next few weeks, which he believes would remove an overhang currently weighing on the stock.

Watch Items6

  • AST BlueBird satellites BB8-BB10 launch

    Targeted mid-June 2026; firmer target date expected by end of that week Anpanman 00:00:07
  • AST second batch of satellite launches ('batch 2')

    Targeted early July 2026 Anpanman 00:00:07
  • Blue Origin New Glenn return-to-flight after pad explosion

    Targeted by year-end 2026 per Dave Limp, described as an aggressive/stretch goal Anpanman 00:00:07
  • AST's stretch goal of 45 satellites in orbit

    Previously targeted year-end 2026; Anpanman expects possible slip to Q1 2027 Anpanman 00:00:07
  • Relativity Space Terran R test launch

    Planned before the end of 2026 Anpanman 00:00:07
  • T1 Energy financing package update

    Anpanman hopes for an update in the next few weeks (from June 2, 2026) Anpanman 00:00:07

Open Questions5

  • Will Blue Origin actually meet its aggressive year-end 2026 target to return New Glenn to flight after the pad explosion?

    Anpanman 00:00:07
  • Will AST SpaceMobile sign additional launch service agreements (MLAs) with providers like Ariane, Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, and Relativity Space to build out launch optionality?

    Anpanman 00:00:07
  • Will AST SpaceMobile formally update its year-end 2026 satellite count guidance (previously 45 satellites) given the Blue Origin New Glenn delay?

    Anpanman 00:00:07
  • Will smash-and-grab short sellers like Fuzzy Panda change their tactics or tone following the Andrew Left/Citron guilty verdict?

    Anpanman 00:00:07
  • Will T1 Energy's financing package update remove the stock's current overhang?

    Anpanman 00:00:07
2026-06-01 49:07

Anpanman - Launch Agnosticism and Market Volatility

Anpanman

In this solo X Spaces recap, Anpanman addresses the broad 'red day' pullback across space stocks (ASTS down about 9%) as normal consolidation after a big run-up.

He then does a deep dive into AST SpaceMobile's launch-agnostic satellite design, and how the company plans to backfill Blue Origin New Glenn's recent launch setback with SpaceX Falcon 9 and eventually ULA Vulcan Centaur capacity.

He argues the widely cited '45 satellites by year-end' figure was always a stretch goal, and that production cadence, not a hard satellite count, is the metric that matters.

The episode closes with off-topic portfolio updates on T1 Energy, Kraken Robotics, various SPAC situations, Ensilica, and a cursory look at Gilat Satellite Networks.

Key Takeaways

  • Space-sector stocks broadly sold off (many names down 12-15%), which Anpanman frames as normal consolidation after a large recent run-up compounded by the Blue Origin New Glenn launch anomaly; AST SpaceMobile (ASTS) was down about 9% on the day.
  • The often-cited '45 satellites by year-end' figure for AST SpaceMobile was always an approximate stretch goal in Anpanman's view, and he believes the company likely won't hit it without New Glenn's planned contribution.
  • New Glenn's flight 3 booster succeeded but failed to deliver its BlueBird satellite payload to the correct orbit; Anpanman estimates this will delay Blue Origin's contribution to AST's launch campaign by roughly 6-7 months (his own estimate, calling it 'probably optimistic').
  • AST SpaceMobile's satellites are deliberately designed to be 'launch agnostic' — able to fit inside any standard payload fairing — which lets the company backfill lost Blue Origin capacity with dedicated SpaceX Falcon 9 launches.
  • Anpanman says AST's Blue Origin New Glenn multi-launch agreement (signed in fall 2024) reportedly required no upfront launch prepayments, a nuance he says a recent public critic (correcting Tim Ferriss) got wrong.
  • ULA's Vulcan Centaur is currently grounded after solid-rocket-booster nozzle anomalies on its prior two missions; AST has launches booked on Vulcan Centaur and, per Anpanman's estimate, might get roughly one BlueBird launch on it by the end of the year, picking up more in 2027.
  • Anpanman dismisses a Mandarin-language social media claim that Starlink's V2 direct-to-cell satellites will dominate the market soon, arguing Starlink can't integrate EchoStar spectrum into phones until 2028 and Starship still needs to reach commercial cadence, with second-stage reusability being the hard, still-unsolved part (he guesses 2029-2030).
  • Responding to a Rocket Lab shareholder's claim that ASTS is riskier than Rocket Lab due to launch dependency, Anpanman argues ASTS is diversified across SpaceX, Blue Origin, ULA and potentially Rocket Lab's own Neutron, whereas Rocket Lab is entirely dependent on Neutron succeeding.
  • Anpanman argues production cadence between satellite batches is a more meaningful metric than any single year-end satellite-count target, noting AST now has storage space at Cape Canaveral for satellites awaiting launch.
  • Outside of ASTS, Anpanman expects news within 3-4 weeks on a T1 Energy strategic funding package (likely debt-heavy, possibly with some equity) to cover phase 1 of its G2 Austin facility, and notes that if T1's stock closes above $11.50 before warrants expire around July 8-9, 2026, that would trigger roughly $283 million in exercise proceeds toward phase 2.
  • Anpanman discussed Kraken Robotics (which he owns), noting it became tradeable on Robinhood after being OTC-only, and that its pending Covela acquisition is expected to roughly double the company's revenue and profitability.
  • Anpanman flagged Ensilica as the company that designed AST SpaceMobile's AST5000 ASIC chip, noting it collects both engineering fees and an ongoing per-unit royalty on every AST5000 produced.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

Space sector red day / market volatility

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Today is a red day for space stocks, with a number of names down 12-15%; ASTS is down only about 9% because 'we paid our dues and took lumps on Friday.' He attributes the pullback to a natural consolidation after a tremendous run-up rather than anything company-specific.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    SpaceX's funding roadshow kicks off Thursday, June 4th, with pricing expected June 11th; Anpanman guesses they'll spend 1-2 days in Europe and the rest in the US hitting major cities, possibly with Zoom meetings, which he expects will draw more institutional interest into the broader space sector.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Some traders were speculating that WallStreetBets participants were mistaking Virgin Galactic (SPCE) for SpaceX, driving up SPCE; Anpanman thinks it's more likely that heavily-shorted names like SPCE simply become trading vehicles, and he would not be surprised if Virgin Galactic announces a capital raise soon given the stock's rebound.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:56

    He recommends investors keep a watchlist of comparable sector names (e.g., for solar: TOYO, Canadian Solar, First Solar, SolarEdge, Enphase) so that a single stock's drop can be understood in the context of sector-wide beta rather than assumed to be company-specific.

ASTS satellite count guidance and launch-agnostic strategy

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    The widely referenced '45 satellites by end of year' figure was always an approximate, stretch-goal number, not firm guidance; based on his own calculations, he thinks the company probably won't reach that number without New Glenn's contribution.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    He pushes back on people demanding an 8-K or PR update on satellite counts, arguing the company doesn't need to disclose anything yet since it may still fill out additional launches and hit close to the original target; the company will update the market on its own timeline.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:27

    AST SpaceMobile satellites were deliberately built to be 'launch agnostic' — able to fit inside any standard payload fairing on any of multiple launch vehicles — a design choice originally motivated by concerns about launch-provider tightness or geopolitical risk.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:27

    As a historical example of this contingency planning, BlueWalker 3 was originally slated to launch on a Soyuz rocket out of Kazakhstan, but the plan was scrapped after the Russia-Ukraine conflict erupted, before the satellite was shipped there.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    He argues the key metric to watch isn't the year-end satellite count but the production cadence between satellite batches — how quickly each new batch of 3 ships and the rate of change after that — and notes the company now has storage space at Cape Canaveral to hold satellites awaiting launch, implying a ramp in production.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    If the year-end target slips from 45 to something like 35 or 40 satellites, or the timeline slips by a few months, Anpanman doesn't think that matters much in the grand scheme of things.

Blue Origin New Glenn setback and Falcon 9 backfill

8
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:27

    On New Glenn's recent flights, the booster succeeded on flights 2 and 3, but flight 3 failed to place AST's satellite into the proper orbit — an early-program anomaly he calls a 'big wake-up call' after the industry had gotten used to SpaceX's Falcon 9 reliability.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:27

    AST signed a multi-launch agreement with Blue Origin in fall 2024 (alongside agreements with SpaceX and ISRO at the same time) as an early believer in New Glenn, becoming one of the few companies launching over 400 tons into space and a 'marquee customer' for Blue Origin.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:27

    Per his understanding from talking with management, part of the attraction of the Blue Origin deal's economics was that AST didn't need to put down prepayments for launch slots, unlike some other arrangements — a detail he says a Twitter critique of Tim Ferriss's commentary got wrong.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    He estimates New Glenn's next flight (and thus its resumed contribution to AST's launch campaign) will be pushed out roughly 6-7 months, 'and that's probably optimistic' — potentially 7-8 months from the time of recording.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    In the meantime, AST will rely on Falcon 9, and the company will need to negotiate with SpaceX for additional launches beyond what's already contracted; it's unclear whether the existing contract covers 5, 10, or 15 launches. Falcon 9's flight heritage and stable cadence make it 'a luxury' relative to newer vehicles.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Buying a dedicated (non-rideshare) Falcon 9 launch is achievable if you're willing to pay for it, even though the majority of Falcon 9 cargo is Starlink; finding a rideshare slot is much harder than buying an entire dedicated launch.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    AST is on track to launch via Falcon 9 in about 2 weeks from the time of recording, with a firm target date expected by the end of that week, based on past precedent for how the company communicates.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:53

    He forecasts a Falcon 9 launch in about 2 weeks, another in July (probably early July), and then roughly one launch a month for the rest of the year, noting cadence (not per-launch satellite count) is what should reassure the market once it adjusts to Blue Origin being off the table for now.

ULA Vulcan Centaur and National Security Launch (NSSL) priority

5
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    ULA's Vulcan Centaur is currently grounded due to two anomalies (solid rocket booster nozzles popping off) on its prior two missions; the missions still succeeded, but an investigation is ongoing, which Anpanman thinks concludes 'sometime in September, or maybe August.'

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:27

    AST has disclosed that it has booked launches with ULA's Vulcan Centaur; Anpanman estimates that could contribute around one BlueBird launch by the end of this year, picking up more in 2027.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:27

    He notes Vulcan Centaur once launched a dummy payload (around November/December of last year) to complete certification when the original government cargo wasn't ready — illustrating how AST's steady satellite production could let it slot in when other customers' cargo isn't ready.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Under National Security Launch (NSSL) rules, the US government could give AST launch priority on vehicles like Vulcan Centaur or Falcon 9 if deemed necessary for defense purposes; Anpanman speculates there could be related announcements in the next 2-3 months given ongoing defense work.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    He acknowledges that neither he nor, he believes, the company itself yet knows which contingency path ('Plan B,' 'B-sub-1,' 'B-sub-2,' 'B-sub-3') will ultimately be used to backfill lost New Glenn capacity, and asks investors to give management time to work it out.

Competitive landscape: Starlink Direct to Cell and Rocket Lab Neutron

5
  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:17:59

    A Mandarin-speaking Twitter account criticized a tweet (from 'Shai Ballor,' phonetic) about AST vs. Starlink, claiming Starlink will dominate with its V2 direct-to-cell satellite launching 'next year, no problem,' also citing Amazon/Globalstar and Iridium as big competitors. Anpanman says this reflects a clear misunderstanding of the direct-to-device market's dynamics; he chose not to engage beyond a laughing-face reply.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:17:59

    Starlink's V2 satellites can't be incorporated into direct-to-cell phone service using EchoStar's spectrum until 2028, and Starship still needs to reach commercial cadence, with second-stage reusability being the truly hard, unresolved part — Anpanman guesses that could realistically be 2029 or 2030.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:20:53

    A Rocket Lab shareholder ('Benny the Bull') argued AST SpaceMobile is riskier than Rocket Lab because of its dependence on Blue Origin. Anpanman rebutted that AST is launch-agnostic (could even use Rocket Lab's own Neutron) and diversified across providers, whereas Rocket Lab itself carries full single-launch-vehicle risk on Neutron.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:53

    As a rough capacity comparison (his own estimate): Neutron could carry at most about 3 BlueBird satellites in expendable form; Blue Origin's New Glenn 7x2 configuration could carry about 8, and the eventual 9x4 configuration around 12.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:20:53

    He notes that one of Rocket Lab Neutron's structures reportedly cracked under stress testing about 2-3 weeks earlier; he frames this as a normal, healthy part of a testing program (finding and reinforcing weak points before flight) rather than a red flag.

Other launch providers and market dynamics

7
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:53

    He speculates ('my money would be') that AST is likely booking launches with Arianespace, tied to supporting the European space program as part of AST's effort to secure 2 GHz of MSS spectrum allocation in Europe — describing it as a 'pay-to-play' dynamic.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:53

    He's been following Relativity Space's Terran R heavy-lift rocket (backed partly by Eric Schmidt), which he estimates could carry 6-8 BlueBirds if it performs as claimed, with a launch expected sometime in 2027.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:20:53

    Relaying a point he says Kook made (though he admits he half-fell asleep listening to Kook's own space and only caught it partially), the market has a short memory and will refocus positively on ASTS once it gets used to Falcon 9 handling the launch cadence in Blue Origin's absence.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:56

    Asked why Falcon Heavy isn't discussed more as a launch option, Anpanman said he isn't certain but guesses Falcon Heavy is more expensive than standard Falcon 9 and may not be the right economic choice, adding he 'could be wrong there.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:56

    Asked whether AST should pivot to Falcon Heavy (cost aside) to launch more BlueBirds per flight, Anpanman said it's possible and that AST could find out with the next targeted launch confirmation for BB-8, 9, and 10, but noted stacking multiple satellites (e.g., up to 6) requires engineering time to ensure the bottom satellites can structurally support the ones on top.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:56

    Asked what stops SpaceX from refusing future launches once AST's contracted slots are used up, Anpanman argued SpaceX is subject to DOJ, FCC, and Department of War/government oversight, and that anti-competitive behavior would undermine SpaceX's own business model since it also launches competitors' payloads (Amazon LEO, Globalstar, Iridium); as long as a customer pays and its satellite won't jeopardize the vehicle, SpaceX will sell capacity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:56

    As an example, he notes StarCloud (an in-space data center company) is solely dependent on Starship, which is why its CEO is friendly toward Musk — but SpaceX will also launch its own competing data centers, illustrating the broader industry dynamic.

T1 Energy

4
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:56

    T1 Energy is putting together a strategic funding package, with news expected in the next 3-4 weeks; he understands the most attractive option under consideration is primarily debt, possibly with some equity or equity-linked component, and possibly new strategic investors.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:56

    The funding package is intended to cover the remainder of T1 Energy's needs for phase 1 of its G2 Austin facility.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:28:56

    T1 Energy stock is around $10 but hit $11.40-$11.50 last week; if it closes above $11.50 before warrants expire on July 8th or 9th, it would trigger exercise bringing in $283 million, which could fund a significant portion of G2 Austin's second phase.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:56

    He describes a potential 'virtuous cycle': a strong funding package announcement could push the stock above $11.50, triggering the warrant exercise, further boosting the stock — calling this outcome 'ideal.' He expects T1 Energy news before quarter-end, June 30, 2026.

Kraken Robotics, SPACs, and Ensilica

5
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:28:56

    Kraken Robotics (which Anpanman owns and has traded) became available for trading on Robinhood as of the preceding Friday, having previously been OTC-only (with an 'F' suffix on its symbol); he attributes a stock bump partly to this new accessibility.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:56

    Kraken's pending acquisition of Covela (a complementary underwater-vehicle component provider) is expected to roughly double Kraken's revenue and profitability and is expected to close in the next few weeks; after closing, Anpanman expects Kraken to pursue uplisting to a major Canadian exchange and eventually to Nasdaq or NYSE.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:56

    He views the unmanned underwater drone market as less crowded than the aerial drone market, and sees Kraken as one of the few pure-play ways to invest in it.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:56

    He's been researching both older post-de-SPAC names (T1 Energy, the acquired Satisfye, Bridger Aerospace, Strata/SRTA) and newer SPAC deals; he cited USAR, a critical-minerals company now trading around $30, whose strength he attributes partly to a Trump administration equity stake, and says he plans to write up more SPAC ideas in coming weeks.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:28:56

    Ensilica designed AST SpaceMobile's AST5000 ASIC and, per Anpanman, collects both engineering fees and an ongoing royalty for every AST5000 chip produced — so if there are ultimately '300 Bluebirds... or 500' made with the AST5000 (a rough guess), that would represent a recurring revenue stream for Ensilica; the company also designs ASICs for other space, automotive, and industrial customers, including a recent EU award for a next-generation satellite constellation.

Gilat Satellite Networks

1
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:46:34

    Asked about Gilat Satellite Networks (GILT), an Israeli company making satellite terminals (including phased-array antennas for commercial airliners), Anpanman said he did only cursory research; he's unsure whether the company acquired to add revenue is under competitive pressure, and it's unclear whether Gilat's terminal business is tied to Starlink or to Viasat/SES, which would affect whether he wants exposure.

Watch Items9

  • Firm target launch date for the next ASTS Falcon 9 BlueBird launch

    About 2 weeks from time of recording; firm date expected by end of that week Anpanman 00:00:27
  • Subsequent Falcon 9 BlueBird launch

    July, probably early July Anpanman 00:20:53
  • Continued Falcon 9 launch cadence for ASTS

    Roughly one launch per month for the rest of the year Anpanman 00:20:53
  • ULA Vulcan Centaur return-to-flight investigation conclusion

    Sometime in September, possibly August (Anpanman uncertain) Anpanman 00:00:27
  • Possible NSSL (National Security Launch) priority announcements for ASTS

    Next 2-3 months Anpanman 00:00:27
  • SpaceX funding roadshow and pricing

    Roadshow starts Thursday June 4th; pricing expected June 11th Anpanman 00:00:27
  • T1 Energy strategic funding package announcement

    Within 3-4 weeks of recording; expected before quarter-end, June 30, 2026 Anpanman 00:28:56
  • T1 Energy warrant exercise trigger ($283M) if stock closes above $11.50

    Before warrant expiration on July 8th or 9th, 2026 Anpanman 00:28:56
  • Kraken Robotics' Covela acquisition closing

    Expected to close in the next few weeks Anpanman 00:28:56

Open Questions5

  • Whether AST SpaceMobile will pivot to using SpaceX Falcon Heavy instead of Falcon 9 to launch more BlueBirds per flight if cost weren't a factor, and how the satellite-stacking engineering challenge would be solved.

    Anpanman 00:28:56
  • How many additional Falcon 9 launches AST SpaceMobile has already contracted or has available to draw on (5, 10, or 15 — unclear).

    Anpanman 00:00:27
  • Which contingency path ('Plan B' variants) the company will actually pursue to backfill New Glenn's lost launch capacity, which Anpanman says even the company hasn't finalized yet.

    Anpanman 00:00:27
  • Whether AST SpaceMobile will revise its year-end satellite-count guidance downward (e.g., to 30-40) and when it will communicate that update to the market.

    Anpanman 00:00:27
  • Whether Gilat Satellite Networks' terminal business is tied to Starlink or to Viasat/SES, which would determine whether it's an attractive investment adjacent to the direct-to-device theme.

    Anpanman 00:46:34
2026-06-01 1:04:34

Kook's Weekly - May 31 - The Launch Labyrinth

Kook

In this solo 'Kook's Weekly' recap (published June 1, 2026, covering the May 30-31 weekend), Kook addresses the Thursday-night Blue Origin New Glenn hot-fire test explosion that destroyed/damaged the launch pad. He argues the market is misreading the risk to AST SpaceMobile.

He frames it as an 'event shock' — fast recovery, like the April 20 New Glenn 3 anomaly — rather than a 'dilutive shock' with a slow, multi-day recovery like a convert or the Rakuten share sale. He argues ASTS's 'launch agnostic, carrier neutral' strategy and its position as the most desirable satellite cargo in the world mean the real risk is a modest right-shift in the 2027 timeline rather than any threat to the constellation itself.

He also covers a wave of bullish secondary catalysts: a likely NSSL/ULA/MHI launch diversification, a senior Raytheon missile-defense hire signaling a bigger federal/Golden Dome push, EU 2 GHz MSS spectrum rules that could favor AST's European JV, and the approaching SpaceX IPO, which he thinks could reprice ASTS as a liquid, investable pair-trade name.

His headline conclusion: near-term New Glenn uncertainty is overweighted by the market relative to the wall of positive news — multiple Falcon 9 launches, spectrum wins, government contracts — he expects over the next 6-9 months.

Key Takeaways

  • Blue Origin's New Glenn suffered a launch-pad explosion during a hot-fire test on Thursday evening (Kook says the damage looked less severe than initially feared, though serious); Blue Origin was also building a second, larger pad nearby for a 9x4-scale rocket.
  • Kook, the host of this solo episode, distinguishes 'dilutive exogenous shocks' (e.g. a convertible bond, an equity offering, or the Rakuten share sale — which take roughly 5 to 10 trading days to fully settle because new shares have to ricochet through the market) from pure 'event shocks' like a rocket explosion, where the stock can implode for minutes and then quickly recover once panic-selling exhausts itself.
  • Kook argues AST SpaceMobile's stated launch strategy is deliberately 'carrier neutral and launch agnostic' — the company does not build its own rocket and instead designs satellites compatible with many launch vehicles (SpaceX Falcon 9, ULA, Mitsubishi's MHI, ISRO, and prospectively Ariane), which he contrasts with SpaceX's Starship/Starlink approach of vertically integrating launch and satellite design.
  • Based on his own 10-K-driven analysis (cross-checked against a fellow Space Mob community member's independent work), Kook estimates AST SpaceMobile had roughly 6 to 8 Falcon 9 launches under contract as of December 31, 2025, which could carry an estimated 25 to 30 satellites on SpaceX vehicles alone — a figure he calls speculative modeling, not company guidance.
  • Kook speculates (without confirmation) that AST SpaceMobile may be pursuing or may have qualified for Lane 2 of the U.S. National Security Space Launch (NSSL) program, inferring this from the company's newly explicit commentary on ULA integration and government/radar use during its May earnings call.
  • AST SpaceMobile has reportedly hired a 28-year Raytheon missile-defense veteran — previously Raytheon's radar program chief engineer and a lower-tier air-and-missile-defense radar integration director — as director of system integration, test and operations for federal programs, which Kook reads as a signal of a serious, escalating federal/defense (implied Golden Dome) push.
  • Kook contends the actual near-term risk from the New Glenn explosion is not to AST SpaceMobile's near-term (6-9 month) launch cadence, since the company already had substantial SpaceX Falcon 9 capacity booked, but rather to a more distant 2027 timeline that the market is prematurely pricing in today.
  • The EU published new 2 GHz MSS spectrum rules last week that Kook and other Space Mob community members believe are designed to squeeze out EchoStar and Viasat and reallocate spectrum toward European or Europe-compliant companies; Kook believes AST SpaceMobile's SatCo/European ConnectNow joint venture appears structurally built to be compliant, potentially yielding AST a meaningful (though not total) grant of that spectrum.
  • Kook frames the approaching SpaceX IPO as a potential positive catalyst for ASTS, arguing it could reorient Wall Street attention toward the satellite-to-phone sector broadly, make ASTS a natural liquid pair-trade candidate against SpaceX (rather than against Rocket Lab, its historical correlation partner), and improve ASTS's own trading liquidity and valuation recognition.
  • Kook explicitly does not believe AST SpaceMobile will hit its stated goal of 45 satellites in orbit by December 31, 2026, and argues the exact number doesn't matter — what matters for the stock is the market's perception of directional progress, not hitting a specific numerical goalpost.

Detailed Discussion10 topics

The New Glenn Pad Explosion and Immediate Aftermath

5
  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:07

    Blue Origin's New Glenn hot-fire test failed on Thursday evening, resulting in an explosion that damaged the launch pad — described as 'the worst nightmare for a launch company,' losing the pad rather than just the rocket. Blue Origin was also in the process of building a second, larger pad nearby (for a rocket roughly 9x4 times bigger).

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook says that from what he could tell (while noting he's not an expert), the damage looked less severe than some feared, though probably still significant; he references online commentary arguing 'Blue Origin's toast' based on historical pad-explosion precedents, but says time will tell given Blue Origin's resources and motivation and the U.S. government's incentive to get New Glenn flying again for launch-provider diversity.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:00:07

    In the immediate aftermath, the U.S. government publicly signaled support, with someone Kook refers to as 'Jared' saying the government is 'not a procurement organization' and wants to 'make shit happen' to help Blue Origin recover.

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:07

    Kook notes New Glenn had a decent track record prior to this event — 3-for-3 in reaching orbit, with 2 of 3 boosters successfully recovered (an off-nominal orbit occurred on the prior New Glenn 3 flight but the booster was recovered) — and argues losing the pad is very bad for NASA's moon program, for Jeff Bezos personally, for Amazon, and for the U.S. broadly given Starship's own struggles.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:07

    Despite the explosion, Cape Canaveral was not knocked out of commission: SpaceX launched at 7:55 a.m. Friday, launched again Saturday, and ULA also launched (carrying an Amazon Kuiper cargo) within roughly 12 hours of the pad explosion, which Kook cites as evidence the broader U.S. launch industry remains dynamic and operational.

Framework: Dilutive Shocks vs. Event Shocks

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook divides negative exogenous stock shocks into two buckets: 'dilutive shocks' (e.g., a convertible bond issuance, an equity/ATM offering, or the Rakuten share sale) where new share supply takes roughly 5 to 10 trading days to fully settle via 'destabilizing arbitrage' as shares ricochet through the market, versus pure 'event shocks' (like a rocket explosion) where the stock can implode for minutes and then quickly recover once no actual new share supply is created.

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:07

    Kook compares this event to the New Glenn 3 second-stage anomaly around April 20, which he says was a much less severe anomaly than the pad explosion, but similarly saw the stock implode for about ten minutes before rallying, which he used as his playbook (wait for the panic-driven fireball reaction, then buy) for trading Friday's news.

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:07

    Following his own playbook, after watching the stock crash on the fireball footage circulating, Kook says he went surfing, came back, and found the stock up $5-10, illustrating the fast-recovery pattern he expected for a pure event shock.

Impact on AST SpaceMobile's Launch Plans and the 'Launch Labyrinth'

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook says AST SpaceMobile's exact launch commitments on New Glenn are unknown, but notes only one experimental satellite ('our sacrificial bird,' insured) had been placed on the earlier New Glenn 3 flight rather than a full batch, alongside other satellites on ISRO (successful) — suggesting the company had managed New Glenn-specific risk conservatively even amid excitement about New Glenn's performance back in April.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook estimates, based on his own 10-K analysis (cross-checked against independent work by a fellow Space Mob community member using down-payment schedule data), that AST SpaceMobile had roughly 6 to 8 Falcon 9 launches contracted as of December 31, 2025, potentially covering 25 to 30 satellites already hard-committed to SpaceX alone.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook built a model (using Claude Code, per his description) to explore whether, assuming AST SpaceMobile executes at 6 satellites/month of production, satellites might pile up in storage awaiting launch capacity, and finds that even in a conservative scenario of just 1 extra SpaceX launch per month plus other vehicles (MHI, ULA, ISRO, and potentially Ariane), there are multiple viable paths to getting the backlog into orbit.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook argues that even in a worst-case scenario where satellites accumulate in a warehouse awaiting launch, the market may eventually view this positively as proof the constellation buildout is inevitable rather than negatively as stranded inventory.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook argues the New Glenn-related uncertainty is really a 6-to-9-month-out risk to a 2027 timeline rather than an immediate near-term problem, since the company already has ample near-to-mid-term launch coverage via its Falcon 9 contracts and other vehicles.

AST SpaceMobile's Launch-Agnostic Strategy

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook reiterates that AST SpaceMobile's core strategy has always been to be 'carrier neutral' and 'launch agnostic' — deliberately not vertically integrating into its own rocket (which he argues would be poor return on capital and not the company's core competency), and instead designing satellites compatible with essentially all available launch vehicles.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    He draws an analogy to oil tanker economics (his professional background): the largest tankers (VLCCs) have historically had worse long-term returns than smaller ships (Aframaxes/Panamaxes) because too many get built purely for prestige ('ego'); he applies similar logic to the crowded rocket industry (New Glenn, Vulcan, Ariane, SpaceX, MHI, ISRO, Rocket Lab, Relativity, Stoke, Starship), arguing there will be no shortage of launch options for AST SpaceMobile to choose from.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    He argues SpaceX (via Starlink/Starship) cannot fully match ASTS's satellite array size because Elon Musk would need an even bigger rocket, whereas ASTS avoids that constraint by not being tied to one launch vehicle.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook argues AST SpaceMobile also has strategic incentive to launch on vehicles from multiple countries (e.g., ISRO in India, prospectively Ariane in Europe) to build local political/regulatory goodwill with in-country mobile network operators and regulators, distinct from pure launch-cost optimization.

Government and Defense Opportunities

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook speculates that AST SpaceMobile may be seeking or may have qualified for Lane 2 of the National Security Space Launch (NSSL) program, inferring this from the company being newly explicit about ULA integration and about ongoing government/radar use (including active theaters of war) on its May earnings call — a shift he says wasn't merely a response to online pressure but likely reflects a real behind-the-scenes development.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    AST SpaceMobile reportedly hired a 28-year Raytheon missile-defense veteran — previously Raytheon's radar program chief engineer and a lower-tier air-and-missile-defense radar integration director — as director of system integration, test and operations for federal programs, per a social-media post by 'Jonathan Cooper'; Kook interprets this as a deliberate, high-stakes hire signaling deeper Golden Dome-adjacent ambitions, not a routine hire.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook references a roughly $4.16 billion government contract award to SpaceX (unrelated directly to ASTS) in which the government stated it will 'not leverage any one single provider' and is 'partnering with a highly diversified pool of traditional and non-traditional vendors' for the AMTI architecture — Kook reads this language as bullish for AST SpaceMobile potentially receiving its own government/defense awards.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook mentions Trump's recent drone initiative and argues that since drones depend on connectivity and 'positive control,' AST SpaceMobile's infrastructure is well positioned to intersect with the drone/defense theme, though he cautions this alone isn't a reason to buy the stock.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook notes AST SpaceMobile is sitting on 'nearly $4 billion of cash,' which he says gives the company leverage when negotiating launch capacity and pursuing government programs even if per-launch costs rise.

SpaceX IPO and Trading/Market Structure Implications

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook expects the approaching SpaceX IPO to draw significant Wall Street attention to the satellite/launch sector broadly, potentially benefiting AST SpaceMobile's visibility as investors research Falcon 9 launch demand and identify ASTS as a key cargo customer.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook floats (while calling it a low-probability, 'dream of dreams' scenario) the possibility of a splashy multi-launch contract announcement for ASTS coinciding with the SpaceX IPO discourse.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook argues ASTS, at roughly a $50 billion market cap, is a highly liquid ('trades like water') security compared to other satellite/spectrum names, which could make it an attractive pair-trade vehicle once SpaceX (valued conceptually around $2 trillion by some, versus Starlink's ~$1.5 trillion) begins trading — either as a hedge against SpaceX, or as the more 'obvious' long ASTS / short SpaceX trade given the valuation gap.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook argues ASTS has historically been mis-paired with Rocket Lab (both de-SPACs with vocal retail shareholder bases) despite differing business drivers, and hopes the market instead begins pairing/coupling ASTS with SpaceX given more overlapping (though not strictly zero-sum, in his view) business dynamics between broadband satellite (Starlink) and mobile satellite (ASTS).

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:07

    Kook cites an Anpanman-documented tweet sequence around the recently announced U.S. carrier joint venture: at 7:00 a.m. the major U.S. MNOs announced the JV, at 7:01 a.m. AST SpaceMobile tweeted that it is working with the JV, roughly 8 hours later Starlink tweeted objecting ('this is illegal'), and two weeks later Viasat tweeted support for the JV — which Kook reads as confirming ASTS was included in the JV from the start while Starlink was excluded.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook contrasts AST SpaceMobile's throughput (100 to now 200 megabits per cell) against Starlink's narrowband direct-to-cell solution (roughly 7 megabits), likening the difference to 'Facebook on desktop' (Starlink) versus 'Facebook mobile' (AST SpaceMobile).

EU 2 GHz MSS Spectrum Rules

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:07

    Kook says the EU came out last week with new 2 GHz MSS spectrum rules that appear designed to squeeze out EchoStar and Viasat and reallocate that spectrum toward European (or Europe-compliant) companies.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook, while disclaiming expertise, says his and other Space Mob community members' (including lawyers within the community) reading is that AST SpaceMobile appears to have structured its SatCo/European ConnectNow joint venture to comply with the new rules' requirements around EU-member voting control, non-EU JV participation, and data access/security, suggesting the company anticipated this regulatory shift.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook believes AST SpaceMobile could plausibly receive a meaningful grant of EU MSS spectrum (though not the entirety of what's available), which he frames as a valuable, largely under-priced catalyst separate from launch-cadence concerns, drawing an analogy to Charlie Ergen's dark spectrum holdings, which traded for billions in value based on strategic asset value alone.

Near-Term Manufacturing and Launch Catalysts

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:07

    BlueBird 9 arrived at Cape Canaveral on the 27th (of May); Kook speculates the satellites are likely now in early encapsulation/stacking phases and that photos of satellites in the launch fairing could be released this week.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook highlights company/community social-media language describing '3 satellites officially arrived at Cape Canaveral ahead of the next Falcon 9 launch campaign' and notes an accompanying post used 10 rocket emojis; he argues the word 'campaign' (rather than 'mission,' which is singular) and the emoji count both imply multiple upcoming Falcon 9 launches (in the range of 6 to 10), not just one or two.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook expects a cadence of AST SpaceMobile Falcon 9 launches over the coming months: one in a couple of weeks, another in July or August, and further launches in September, October, and November as part of a larger SpaceX launch campaign.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:07

    Kook notes ULA launched an Amazon Kuiper cargo around the same weekend, and observes that Amazon's Kuiper program is a direct competitor to AST SpaceMobile for scarce launch capacity, though he argues that competitive demand from a well-funded ecosystem is itself part of what strengthens ASTS's negotiating leverage with launch providers.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook cites an outside tweet from a self-described former Ariane Group employee ('Jean Le Bon'), who called AST SpaceMobile's ~$50 billion market cap 'a point of great convexity' given the potential for it to become 'the number one subscription business worldwide,' and argued the company's manufacturing/PP&E investment (not just the satellites themselves) is the real underappreciated asset, calling AST SpaceMobile 'no science project.'

The '45 Satellites by Year-End' Bear Case Debate

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  • Kook Disagreement 00:00:07

    Kook references a Deutsche Bank report (which he says didn't say anything controversial, just flagged 'increased uncertainty') as representative of what he calls the '45ers' — people who believe hitting 45 satellites in orbit by December 31, 2026 is a critical line-in-the-sand benchmark.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:07

    Kook states plainly that he does not believe AST SpaceMobile will hit 45 satellites by year-end 2026, and that he personally does not care whether they do — he argues what drives the stock price is the directionality of change (e.g., beating a more modest number like 30 with strong momentum) rather than hitting the specific stated target, drawing a parallel to Elon Musk's practice of setting extremely ambitious goals and still outperforming peers even at a 60% hit rate.

Personal Trading Commentary

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  • Kook Untagged 00:00:07

    Kook says he maintains a large, untouched core AST SpaceMobile position but trades aggressively around it using options; he increased his options exposure materially on Friday after the pad-explosion sell-off, describing it as 'shooting his shot' as a bullish investor looking for overreaction opportunities.

  • Kook Untagged 00:00:07

    Kook reflects that his biggest historical investing mistake with AST SpaceMobile (roughly 4-5 years ago) was underestimating the difficulty of execution, even though he correctly foresaw the long-term opportunity.

Watch Items8

  • Potential photos/confirmation of satellites being encapsulated in the payload fairing at Cape Canaveral following BlueBird 9's arrival on the 27th

    This week Kook 00:00:07
  • Next AST SpaceMobile Falcon 9 launch, expected as the start of a broader multi-launch 'campaign'

    In a couple of weeks, per Kook Kook 00:00:07
  • Additional Falcon 9 launches following the initial one

    July or August, then further launches September-November, per Kook Kook 00:00:07
  • SpaceX IPO and its potential market-reorientation/pair-trade effects on ASTS

    Imminent, discussed as happening this week/next per Kook Kook 00:00:07
  • Whether AST SpaceMobile reaches 45 satellites in orbit (a market-watched benchmark Kook considers overrated)

    By December 31, 2026 Kook 00:00:07
  • Progress rebuilding Blue Origin's damaged New Glenn pad and status of the second pad under construction

    Unclear; Kook is hopeful for meaningful progress within 6-9 months Kook 00:00:07
  • Possible AST SpaceMobile allocation of EU 2 GHz MSS spectrum under new EU rules via the SatCo/European ConnectNow JV

    Not specified Kook 00:00:07
  • Possible announcement of a splashy new multi-launch contract for AST SpaceMobile

    Speculative, hoped for 'next week' per Kook (low probability) Kook 00:00:07

Open Questions6

  • How many satellites, if any, will end up stacked in storage awaiting launch capacity if AST SpaceMobile executes at its targeted 6-satellites-per-month production rate?

    Kook 00:00:07
  • Has AST SpaceMobile actually qualified for, or is it pursuing, Lane 2 of the National Security Space Launch (NSSL) program?

    Kook 00:00:07
  • How much (if any) EU 2 GHz MSS spectrum will ultimately be granted to AST SpaceMobile's SatCo/European ConnectNow joint venture under the EU's new spectrum rules?

    Kook 00:00:07
  • Will the New Glenn pad explosion cause any real, longer-term shift in AST SpaceMobile's 2027 launch/constellation timeline, or will it be fully absorbed by existing Falcon 9 and other-vehicle capacity?

    Kook 00:00:07
  • Will institutional pair-trade flows (long ASTS/short SpaceX, or ASTS as a SpaceX hedge) actually materialize once SpaceX goes public, and in which direction will that push ASTS's share price?

    Kook 00:00:07
  • Will AST SpaceMobile receive its own significant government/defense contract award (echoing the scale of the ~$4.16 billion SpaceX award referenced) given the Pentagon's stated preference for a diversified vendor base?

    Kook 00:00:07
2026-05-29 55:33

Anpanman - Space is Hard: The New Glenn Anomaly and the SpaceMobile Pivot

Anpanman · Jacob

Anpanman, joined by guest Jacob, react in real time to Blue Origin New Glenn 4 exploding during a static-fire test the evening of the episode, destroying most of launch pad SLC-36.

They walk through what a lost or delayed New Glenn means for AST SpaceMobile's 2026 launch plan and satellite deployment timeline. They argue the company is launch-agnostic, with Falcon 9, ULA Vulcan Centaur, Ariane, Mitsubishi Heavy, and ISRO all in play.

The headline conclusion: this is a genuine multi-month setback to AST's satellite deployment cadence and the stock will trade down sharply. But with roughly $4 billion in pro forma cash and multiple backup launch providers, Anpanman argues it does not change the company's multi-year trajectory or net present value.

He urges listeners to ignore online speculation (from commentators like Eric Berger and Tim Farrar) until Blue Origin's investigation concludes.

Key Takeaways

  • Blue Origin's New Glenn 4 booster exploded during a static-fire test ahead of the planned Amazon LEO launch, destroying most of launch pad SLC-36 at Cape Canaveral; Anpanman guesses the pad will be out of commission for months or longer.
  • AST SpaceMobile relied heavily on New Glenn (up to 8 satellites per launch) as 'Plan A' for reaching its 45-satellite year-end target, but Anpanman and Jacob argue the company is launch-agnostic, with 4-5 Falcon 9 launches already booked for 2026 (3 satellites each, room to book more) and a signed agreement with ULA's Vulcan Centaur (5 satellites per launch in its 6-solid-booster configuration).
  • Anpanman speculates AST will likely have to revise its 45-satellites-by-year-end guidance down to around 25-30 in an upcoming Q2 update, pushing the 45 target out to around Q1 or early Q2 of the following year — this is his own speculation, not company guidance.
  • AST stock was down about 9% in overnight trading, falling as low as roughly $118.43 from prior levels near $120, though Anpanman notes this follows a run-up from a low of $63; he personally sold a smaller trading-account position into the news and expects a volatile, likely lower open the next day.
  • Anpanman dismisses several pieces of circulating online speculation as false or unreliable, including a deleted AI-generated article claiming Falcon 9 would also be grounded (Falcon 9 launches from a separate pad, not SLC-36) and commentary from Tim Farrar and Eric Berger, both of whom Anpanman says have a history of being wrong about AST and Blue Origin.
  • Jacob relays secondhand information from a contact at Blue Origin suggesting the anomaly occurred 'right at ignition' rather than from an overpressurized tank, and notes the launch tower/strongback fell, raising the possibility the flame trench/deluge system was damaged, which would mean a longer repair timeline — explicitly framed as unverified speculation.
  • Blue Origin was already building a second, larger launch pad near SLC-36 designed to handle bigger future New Glenn variants; Anpanman expects the company to prioritize finishing that new pad while rebuilding the destroyed one in parallel, and does not expect New Glenn to fly again this year.
  • Anpanman does not believe AST needs to raise additional capital to fund alternate launches, citing roughly $4 billion in pro forma cash on the balance sheet.
  • The setback is discussed as bad for the broader space sector too, including NASA's Artemis moon program (which depends heavily on New Glenn) and Amazon's Kuiper/LEO constellation, which also relied on New Glenn capacity; several space stocks (Rocket Lab, Intuitive Machines, Redwire) traded down in sympathy.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

The New Glenn 4 Anomaly and Launch Pad Damage

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:25

    Blue Origin's New Glenn 4 booster had an anomaly during a static-fire test ahead of the planned Amazon LEO launch; it looked like something ignited around the engines, producing a large fireball explosion that took out most of launch pad SLC-36, which is now out of commission.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:25

    His guess is that it will take months, perhaps longer, for SLC-36 to be rebuilt and brought back into service.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:25

    Blue Origin was already building a second, larger launch pad nearby intended to accommodate both the current New Glenn configuration and the bigger future 9x4 New Glenn; he expects Blue Origin to prioritize finishing that new pad first (since there's no wreckage to clear) while rebuilding the destroyed pad in parallel.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:25

    His guess, explicitly labeled speculation, is that New Glenn will not fly again for probably the rest of this year.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:06:15

    He isn't sure which regulatory body investigates this incident, since it wasn't a launch but a static/hot-fire test, so he doesn't believe it falls under FAA jurisdiction the way an in-flight mishap would.

  • Jacob Rumor 00:18:37

    Via a secondhand contact at Blue Origin, he heard the anomaly happened 'right at ignition,' suggesting it likely wasn't an overpressurized tank exploding but something related to the ignition process itself; he cautions this detail 'doesn't really tell us much' on its own.

  • Jacob Speculation 00:18:37

    The launch tower/strongback fell, which involves a lot of steel; if the deluge system (the flame trench) was significantly damaged, that could mean a long recovery, since flame trenches are structurally complex despite just handling water.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:25

    Speculates that during static fire, a design difference on this newly-built third booster (versus the twice-flown 'Never Tell Me the Odds' booster) may have caused an issue the investigation will need to identify.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:53

    Booster 1 was already lost previously; Booster 2 is believed safe since it was in the nearby integration facility away from the pad; this newly-destroyed booster (New Glenn 4/Booster 3) is now lost; Booster 4 is in production and Booster 5 is planned, with Blue Origin expecting to complete three more boosters this year.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:49:01

    On second stages, he estimates roughly 14 have been built with a 15th in progress; 4 have now been used (3 in successful flights plus this one destroyed in the anomaly), leaving roughly 10 available unless additional ones were damaged in the nearby facility.

  • Jacob Speculation 00:49:01

    Notes a possible silver lining: because Blue Origin has built up a backlog of boosters and second stages, and AST has satellites ready to go, once the pad reopens launches could cadence very quickly back-to-back rather than being spaced three months apart.

'Space Is Hard' — Framing the Setback in Industry Context

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:25

    Frames this as a normal part of rocket development programs — setbacks like this happen, you learn from them, fix the design, and go again — comparing it to what SpaceX went through developing Falcon 9 and what Starship is currently going through trying to solve second-stage reentry and recovery.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:25

    Notes Starship 'ended its mission in a fireball' the prior week, and that the very first Starship test actually destroyed its own launch pad, requiring a reinforced redesign that took time to rebuild — a parallel to what Blue Origin now faces.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:03:00

    Relays a comment from Kook (present in the audience): 'AST SpaceMobile is not Blue Origin. We are not the same company' — acknowledging there are economic and future business ties, but they are separate entities.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:25

    Notes Rocket Lab's Neutron program also recently had an issue where a casing reportedly cracked during development testing, framing this as the kind of thing investors should expect and even want to happen early in a program rather than later with important cargo or crew aboard.

Impact on AST SpaceMobile's Launch Plan

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:25

    AST is 'launch agnostic' — while New Glenn was Plan A, Plan B is booking more Falcon 9 launches; his understanding is the company has 4 to 5 Falcon 9 launches booked for this year, with the option to book additional ones.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:25

    Falcon 9 can carry 3 AST satellites per launch (possibly 4 if satellite weight can be reduced); AST has also signed with ULA's Vulcan Centaur, which can carry 5 satellites at a time in its 6-solid-rocket-booster configuration; the open question is when a Vulcan slot becomes available, with AST currently 'on standby' this year to slot in if other cargo falls through.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:25

    The company is also talking with Arianespace and Mitsubishi Heavy as additional launch providers, though he's not sure how far those discussions have progressed; Ariane 5 satellites at a time, Mitsubishi Heavy 3 at a time.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:25

    News from 'yesterday' suggests that using Arianespace may be an important factor in AST/SatCo's bid for European 2 GHz spectrum allocation, since supporting the EU is likely to require using a European launch provider.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:25

    ISRO (which launched BlueBird 6 via LVM3) can carry 2 satellites at a time and remains a viable option; he wouldn't be surprised to see additional ISRO bookings.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:25

    If ULA Vulcan's BE-4 engine (which powers it) turns out to have a related issue, that could delay Vulcan by a few months as well, depending on the specific problem.

  • Jacob Speculation 00:19:33

    Suggests that with satellites ready to go, AST could potentially buy out launch capacity from other missions — for example paying a rideshare aggregator like Exolaunch more than they paid for their slot to take over an entire Falcon 9 rideshare launch.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:22:03

    Agrees this is plausible if you're buying out an entire dedicated launch, versus the much harder problem of coordinating a rideshare among many smaller companies.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:50

    The earliest New Glenn was going to launch an AST BlueBird, even before this anomaly, was probably August at the earliest, maybe September.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:50

    Expects a 'Batch 1' Falcon 9 launch within the next 2-3 weeks, with a 'Batch 2' of satellites shipping down to the Cape sometime in the following 2-3 weeks.

Satellite Count Guidance and Timeline Impact

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:15

    Believes the company will have to shift its timeline by about 2-3 months, and in an upcoming Q2 update will likely revise its 45-satellites target down to something like 25 to 30 by year-end, with the 45 target then sliding to around Q1 or early Q2 of the following year — explicitly framed as his own guess, not company guidance.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:06:15

    Argues this timeline shift does not meaningfully change the net present value of the business when viewed against the 2027-2029 horizon.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:25

    Notes that Block 2 satellites comparable to the competing EchoStar spectrum/hardware were already sent to the Cape — he says '3 down to the Cape in April, and we've got more on the way' — though he does not give an exact date beyond the month.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:50

    The key metric to watch, in his view, is production cadence — how quickly the company can build satellites in batches, and whether that inter-batch time continues to shorten — since with sufficient cash the company can always buy additional launches.

Stock Reaction, Short Interest, and Online Misinformation

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:25:13

    AST stock is down about 9% in overnight trading; short interest actually rose the day before the event to $66 million, versus $63.6 million the prior day.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:25:52

    Stock traded overnight as low as $118.43, down from levels near $120, after having run up from a prior low of $63; he argues even a further drop to $110-115 should be viewed with perspective given that run-up.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:25:52

    Disclosed personally selling out of AST in a small Robinhood account (opened with about $20,000, which had grown toward roughly $70,000) at around $71 when the news broke; he expects a 'knee-jerk' lower open the next day, guessing a dip to roughly $110-115 as a potential buying opportunity, and plans to buy back depending on price.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:09:31

    A now-deleted article, which he says contained 'AI slop,' falsely claimed Falcon 9 would also be grounded because it supposedly launches from SLC-36; he clarifies Falcon 9 launches from a separate SpaceX pad complex entirely, making the claim baseless.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:09:31

    Reporter Eric Berger has speculated Blue Origin might abandon the current New Glenn design entirely in favor of the larger New Glenn Heavy, drawing a parallel to Relativity Space abandoning its Terran rocket after an anomaly; Anpanman says he previously ran Berger's speculation by AST management, who called Berger 'completely wrong.'

  • Jacob Disagreement 00:28:32

    Adds that Rocket Lab's Peter Beck has also directly refuted specific Eric Berger claims in the past (e.g. regarding Lockheed Martin and an engine test issue), characterizing Berger's reporting as often turning 'a molehill out of nothing.'

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:28:55

    Reads a tweet from Tim Farrar claiming that with 4 Falcon 9s planned this year and no more New Glenns until the pad is rebuilt, AST's commercial service will be pushed to 2028, sarcastically suggesting AST will 'blame a lack of launchers' to obscure manufacturing delays; Anpanman notes Farrar previously wrongly claimed BlueBirds wouldn't fit in a Falcon 9 fairing, and dismisses his credibility.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:50

    Speculates that at the $63 low, New Glenn delay risk was already heavily priced in, while he estimates the market had been roughly 60-65% confident New Glenn would return to the launch rotation and fly several missions this year — meaning some of that optimism now has to unwind.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:39:50

    Flags that sell-side research reports and possible price-target downgrades may follow in the coming days as analysts digest the news.

Broader Sector and Macro Impact

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:25

    This is a setback for the broader industry, notably for Amazon's LEO (Kuiper) constellation, which also planned to use Blue Origin New Glenn capacity, and for smaller space companies generally, since New Glenn was expected to help relieve launch capacity constraints.

  • Jacob Speculation 00:36:46

    Notes NASA is heavily dependent on New Glenn and the MK1 vehicle for the Artemis moon-landing program; he speculates that, given the ongoing space race with China, this could act as a forcing function to expedite permitting and red tape around the rebuild.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:38:35

    Agrees, noting the current administration has moved quickly before — citing a roughly 30-day FAA investigation turnaround for a prior second-stage mishap — and that NASA has essentially bet its human spaceflight plans on Blue Origin New Glenn and SpaceX Starship with no real alternative.

  • Jacob Rumor 00:38:35

    Mentions a comment in the chat (from 'Captain') that power might be out on other pads, potentially affecting a separate Atlas launch scheduled for the next day, but explicitly cautions this is unverified.

  • Jacob Rumor 00:39:50

    On SpaceX's IPO, notes Bloomberg had speculated a $2 trillion valuation, which Elon Musk directly denied; the officially discussed range was previously $1.5-1.75 trillion and is now reportedly around $1.8 trillion.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:40:28

    Explains general IPO book-building mechanics (filing ranges get raised during the roadshow based on investor demand, oversubscription leads to reduced allocations, then aftermarket buying), guessing SpaceX's range could ultimately rise to $1.9-2 trillion and price around $2.1 trillion.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:43:27

    Expects the space sector broadly to trade red the next day since AST is 'a big proxy of the space sector'; notes Rocket Lab down 2.4%, Intuitive Machines down 3.5%, and Redwire also down.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:43:40

    Notes the space sector had been 'on fire' recently, with several smaller, serial stock-issuing companies (Satellogic, Sidus, Momentus) pricing deals, and Firefly announcing a primary capital raise; also notes private equity firm AE Industrial Partners has been selling down its space holdings, including exiting its Redwire position completely.

Competitive Landscape

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:06:15

    Describes the current competitive field: Starlink direct-to-cell has about 650 satellites in orbit currently, described as 'very low performance'; SpaceX's next iteration (V2 satellites) is hoped to launch around 2028-2029, contingent on Starship being ready by then.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:06:15

    EchoStar's spectrum still needs to be integrated into handsets, and its capability is comparable to AST's Block 2 satellites.

Viasat Earnings Call and Rocket Lab Neutron Speculation

3
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:33:xx

    Mentions he holds a small short position in Viasat, describing it as done partly 'half-jokingly' as a forcing mechanism to research the company; notes Viasat's valuation has been helped by rising spectrum valuations and the Ligado-related payment.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:33:xx

    Listened to Viasat's earnings call the same day and discusses a joint venture referenced as something like 'Equisys' (name unclear/possibly garbled in the transcript), saying details remain unclear and the company may be deliberately vague; on the call, an analyst asked whether Viasat needs agreements in place before securing launches, and an executive (name given as 'Mark Gengenberger,' possibly a mis-transcription) responded that they would put agreements in place and then go buy launches — which Anpanman notes is now going to be tougher given the New Glenn situation.

  • Jacob Speculation 00:35:10

    Speculates the executive nearly said something different before changing course, and wonders if Rocket Lab's confidential Neutron customer (which booked 5 launches, revealed last quarter) could be connected to this Viasat-related JV; also raises MDA as another possible 'bus provider' candidate — explicitly framed as pure speculation with no supporting evidence.

Audience Q&A

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:46:04

    Asked how long it would take to rebuild a transporter/erector, he says he isn't sure, but notes an AI estimate (Grok) suggested 1 to 1.5 years; he speculates Blue Origin might already have one in process since they were building another pad, and that building a second one should be faster than the first.

  • Jacob Untagged 00:46:33

    Reiterates that the flame trench is the real long pole in rebuilding, being structurally complex despite handling 'just water'; expects Blue Origin will weigh rebuilding the destroyed pad versus finishing the new one.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:47:53

    Asked whether AST might need to raise capital to fund buying launches from other providers, he says he doesn't think so, citing roughly $4 billion in pro forma cash on the balance sheet.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:50:00

    Dismisses a chat question joking that a short seller might have caused the explosion to profit on AST, calling it very unlikely.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:50:00

    Responds to a comment that 'ASTS is cooked' by disagreeing, saying the satellite rollout will be set back by a few months but the company is not in serious trouble, with production cadence and booking more Falcon 9 launches being the key levers.

Watch Items6

  • Blue Origin's investigation findings into the New Glenn 4 anomaly

    expected within days ('tomorrow or the day after') Anpanman 00:39:50
  • Next Falcon 9 launch carrying AST satellites ('Batch 1')

    next 2-3 weeks Anpanman 00:39:50
  • Shipment of the next satellite batch ('Batch 2') to Cape Canaveral

    following 2-3 weeks Anpanman 00:39:50
  • AST's Q2 update, where satellite-count guidance for year-end 2026 may be revised

    upcoming quarterly update Anpanman 00:06:15
  • SpaceX IPO pricing and final valuation

    upcoming roadshow/pricing (unspecified date) Jacob and Anpanman 00:39:50
  • Sell-side analyst research reports and potential price-target adjustments on AST

    coming days Anpanman 00:39:50

Open Questions6

  • What exactly caused the New Glenn 4 anomaly — ignition-process issue versus tank/feed-line problem — remains unconfirmed pending Blue Origin's investigation.

    Jacob and Anpanman 00:18:37
  • How long will it take to rebuild launch pad SLC-36 (or complete the new nearby pad), including the transporter/erector and flame trench?

    Anpanman and Jacob 00:46:04
  • Will Blue Origin abandon the current New Glenn design in favor of New Glenn Heavy, as Eric Berger has speculated, rather than continuing with the current configuration?

    Anpanman 00:09:31
  • Was damage limited to the destroyed booster, or were additional second stages/boosters in the nearby facility also lost?

    Anpanman and Jacob 00:47:53
  • Will AST need to pay full price (versus a discount) to secure additional Falcon 9 and Vulcan Centaur launches to make up for the lost New Glenn capacity?

    Anpanman 00:00:25
  • Is Rocket Lab's confidential Neutron customer (which booked 5 launches) connected to the Viasat-related JV discussed on Viasat's earnings call, and could MDA serve as a 'bus provider' for it?

    Jacob 00:35:10
2026-05-26 45:29

Anpanman - Pentagon Over a Barrel: Why the DoD is Pivoting to AST SpaceMobile

Anpanman

Anpanman, hosting solo, breaks down a Reuters report on the Pentagon sparring with SpaceX/Starlink over drone terminal pricing. He argues AST SpaceMobile is the natural alternative given its 3GPP-compatible, unmodified-phone technology.

That extends into speculation about a government-only 'Blackbird' shell constellation and a 'freedom network' use case for reaching civilians in oppressed countries like Iran.

He also runs through near-term stock catalysts (New Glenn 4, Bluebird 8-10 launches, the SpaceX IPO, index reconstitution, record-high short interest) and rebuts bearish narratives: the Falcon 9 fairing rumor, Starship engine risk, and EchoStar/SpaceX spectrum deal timing.

The headline conclusion is that Pentagon frustration with sole-source Starlink pricing, combined with a wave of near-term catalysts, is shifting the market's view of AST SpaceMobile's defense and commercial opportunity from speculative toward urgent.

Key Takeaways

  • A Reuters report described the Pentagon sparring with SpaceX over Starlink pricing for military drone communications terminals, with Starlink allegedly trying to raise the price per terminal from about $5,000 to roughly $25,000-$30,000, prompting the Pentagon's Commercial Satellite Communications Office to look for alternative providers.
  • Anpanman argues AST SpaceMobile is well positioned to be that alternative because its 3GPP-compatible, low-band service lets drones and other battlefield assets use small receivers instead of Starlink's dish terminals, potentially undercutting Starlink's pricing.
  • Anpanman describes a speculative 'Blackbird' concept — a government-only shell constellation modeled on SpaceX's Starshield — that AST could build using extra production capacity as satellite output rises from a 6-per-month cadence toward up to 12 per month, with roughly 4-6 satellites/month of that increase potentially dedicated to government use.
  • Anpanman speculates, based on his own due diligence rather than company confirmation, that the FM1/FM2 Block 2 satellites were SDA-linked prototypes, with FM2 serving only as a backup to FM1 and no near-term plan to build a replica since the company has moved on to a newer design.
  • The Reuters article reportedly also covers Pentagon interest in giving Iranian civilians direct satellite internet access (via Starlink, and potentially AST) to bypass government controls; Anpanman argues AST's ability to reach unmodified phones covertly is an advantage over Starlink's physical dish terminals, which have led to arrests of users in Iran.
  • Anpanman cites the article's claim that the drone communications use case alone could be worth 'hundreds of millions of dollars,' framing it as just one narrow slice of AST's addressable market alongside other applications like PNT/GPS backup, radar sensing, and direct-to-cell.
  • Short interest in ASTS has stayed roughly flat at about 67 million shares (near all-time highs) even as the stock rallied from about $63 to roughly $127 (near its intraday all-time high of about $128), which Anpanman argues sets up further short-covering; a listener poll on a possible June peak price got about 45-46% picking $175, 26% picking $200, 8.6% picking $250, and 20% picking $300.
  • Anpanman expects a possible relief rally in ASTS if Blue Origin's New Glenn 4 mission (an Amazon LEO cargo launch, possibly as soon as the coming Friday but more likely in July or August) succeeds, since New Glenn's reliability is critical to AST's deployment plans; the stock previously fell from roughly $90/high-$80s to $63 after the earlier New Glenn 3 mission failed to deliver BlueBird 7 to a usable orbit.
  • Anpanman rebuts a rumor pushed by industry consultants (he names Tim Farrar and a 'Stuart Taylor'/'Stuart Lucky') and some short-selling hedge funds claiming AST's satellites would not fit inside a SpaceX Falcon 9 fairing, saying an upcoming Falcon 9 launch carrying 3 AST satellites should visibly disprove the claim.
  • Near-term catalysts cited include a Bluebird 8/9/10 launch expected in mid-June, the SpaceX IPO occurring around the same time, and a Russell 1000 index weighting-cap increase (reconstitution) expected at the end of the month that should create incremental index buying; Brazil is also said to have just approved AST to operate and allocated S-band spectrum there.
  • Anpanman relays a technical theory (attributed to 'Katya') that Starship's 33 first-stage engines increase the statistical odds of an engine failure and create risk of cascading failure, and notes Starlink's Direct-to-Cell V2 satellites are entirely dependent on Starship reaching a reliable, reusable commercial cadence — something he guesses (spitballing) is unlikely before 2028, maybe 2029.
  • Citing SpaceX's IPO S-1 prospectus, Anpanman notes SpaceX says it is not working directly with handset manufacturers and instead depends entirely on MNO partners for device compatibility, and that Starlink's disclosed MNO contracts (with about 30 carriers globally) are multi-year (3-5 years) but can be terminated by the MNO customer at any time.
  • Anpanman notes a shift in MNO messaging: Deutsche Telekom's recent earnings call reportedly said it's comfortable with its Starlink relationship but open to other providers to avoid vendor lock-in, while T-Mobile's move to join the AT&T/Verizon satellite joint venture is read by Anpanman as an implicit signal T-Mobile will end up using AST's service.
  • Anpanman frames SpaceX's roughly $2 trillion IPO and investor roadshow (stops including Boston, Chicago, Denver, and LA) as introducing institutional investors to the broader space sector and an emerging 'AI data centers in space' vertical, arguing this is drawing new capital toward pure-play comparables like AST SpaceMobile, Rocket Lab, Intuitive Machines, and Planet Labs.

Detailed Discussion11 topics

Reuters report: Pentagon vs. SpaceX over Starlink drone terminal pricing

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  • Anpanman Rumor 00:00:27

    A Reuters article published that morning reports the Pentagon is sparring with SpaceX over Starlink pricing; Starlink originally charged the military about $5,000 per terminal for kamikaze drone communications (small Starlink dish on top of the drone), and is now reportedly pushing to charge on the order of $25,000 to $30,000 per unit.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:00:27

    The article quotes an industry-covering source saying SpaceX 'has the Pentagon over a barrel' because there are no real alternatives when there's only one sole-source contractor.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:00:27

    The article states the Pentagon office responsible for acquiring the terminals, the Commercial Satellite Communications Office, is actively working to find other competitors to Starlink.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman argues AST SpaceMobile could offer drone communications at a much more reasonable price than $25,000-$30,000 because its 3GPP-compatible, low-band service only requires a small receiver rather than a large dish terminal.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman says AST already has 13 different military contracts across agencies referred to by acronym (e.g. DIU, SDA, Department of War), and speculates the Pentagon is likely already in conversation with AST about the drone use case given its search for alternatives.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman notes Anduril unveiled a device last week that communicates over 4G LTE as its primary method, speculates this could support private battlefield LTE networks or satellite-relayed communications, and says he wouldn't be surprised to see a PR touting an Anduril/AST partnership in the coming months, calling AST the only satellite provider that can do 4G LTE in low-band.

  • Anpanman Rumor 00:00:27

    The article notes the Pentagon currently leverages two SpaceX-linked networks: the commercial Starlink constellation and a separate government-only constellation called Starshield.

'Blackbird' government shell constellation concept

4
  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:27

    Anpanman addresses pushback he received (on X and Reddit) about AST's commercial constellation being used for military purposes, saying the commercial constellation will have some military use (communications at minimum, plus possibly sensing/radar/PNT backup-GPS applications), but for secure communications where MNOs or countries are uncomfortable, Scott Wisniewski has for about 3 quarters discussed building a dedicated government-only shell constellation.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman speculates the jump in production cadence from 6 satellites/month to up to 12 satellites/month could see the incremental 4-6 satellites/month go toward building this government shell, jokingly calling it 'Blackbirds' instead of Bluebirds.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Based on the podcast's own due diligence (not a company statement), Anpanman believes the FM1 and FM2 satellites were SDA satellites — likely prototypes for what becomes part of the government shell.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:27

    Anpanman says he once asked the company whether they needed to build a replacement for FM2 and send it to space; the company's feedback was that having just one satellite (FM1) was good enough, since FM2 is a backup to FM1, and building that specific design now would be irrelevant because they've moved on to the next design for whatever they're building for the government.

'Freedom network' use case: direct-to-cell access for civilians in oppressive regimes (Iran, potentially North Korea/Venezuela)

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  • Anpanman Rumor 00:00:27

    The Reuters article reportedly also covers the Pentagon trying to work with Starlink to provide direct-to-cell connectivity to Iranian civilians to help them bypass the Iranian government.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman argues this is a powerful application for AST specifically because, unlike Starlink, it reaches unmodified/older phones directly, which could help civilians in Iran, Venezuela, or potentially North Korea organize and access information — something he calls one of the fastest ways to help liberate a country.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman speculates (explicitly 'just making stuff up here') about implementation: AST satellites wouldn't be integrated into the Iranian MNO's core network, so a friendly neighboring country's network core might be used instead, or the satellite network could spoof the local MNO, or SIM cards could be physically distributed to people on the ground.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman contrasts this favorably with prior cases where Iranians caught setting up physical Starlink dishes faced arrest and punishment by authorities; using ordinary phones people already carry is far less conspicuous, and he suggests the local network could be taken down so citizens can only connect to the 'freedom network.'

TAM framing and EU spectrum dynamics

4
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    The article states the drone use case alone could be worth hundreds of millions of dollars, which Anpanman frames as just one narrow slice of AST's total addressable market when multiplied across other products (direct-to-cell, PNT, radar sensing) and over 100 large phased arrays working together in low Earth orbit.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman draws a parallel to the May 2025 Musk-Trump spat that rallied the space sector, suggesting the drone pricing dispute has similar ingredients for a public falling-out between the Pentagon and SpaceX ahead of SpaceX's IPO.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman argues overreliance on one company for launch or communications (SpaceX) is bad for the country given founder control concerns, noting Elon Musk's conflicts with the EU as a relevant example.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    He cites a headline he plans to tweet: 'EU to favor European satellite services to prevent Starlink's expansion,' regarding the EU's 2 gigahertz MSS spectrum allocation coming up in 2027, calling it very bullish for AST's satellite JV with Vodafone, Orange, and Telefónica, and expecting Deutsche Telekom to join that group as well.

Blue Origin New Glenn and Falcon 9 launch catalysts

5
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman says there is speculation (which he thinks might be a bit early) that Blue Origin's New Glenn could launch as soon as that coming Friday; the FAA mishap investigation, which industry consultants estimated could take 4 months to a year, was reportedly resolved in about a month.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    New Glenn is described as AST's primary launch vehicle expected to carry most of its satellites; 2-3 Falcon 9 launches are also coming up. The next New Glenn mission (New Glenn 4) is likely an Amazon LEO cargo mission, which Anpanman guesses could launch as early as July but more likely August, with a batch of 4 AST satellites potentially following by end of summer.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman recalls that after the earlier New Glenn 3 mission failed to deliver BlueBird 7 successfully, ASTS stock fell from around $90/high-$80s to $63; he expects that if New Glenn 4 succeeds in delivering the Amazon LEO cargo, the stock could see a relief rally of roughly 15-20% as the New Glenn overhang is removed, rather than the prior 20-30% drop repeating.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman notes the recovery barge 'Jacqueline' had been in for maintenance but as of the prior day was being pushed back out, suggesting a launch could be coming soon; a static fire still needs to occur first.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:00:27

    Anpanman rebuts a rumor pushed by industry consultants Tim Farrar and someone he refers to as 'Stuart Taylor'/'Stuart Lucky', and taken seriously by some short-selling hedge funds in expert-network calls, that claimed AST's satellites would not fit inside a Falcon 9 fairing; he expects a small positive reaction once the public sees 3 AST satellites successfully fit in an upcoming F9 fairing.

Stock price action, short interest, and listener poll

6
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:27

    Anpanman notes the stock is up about $19.30 that day and trading near $127, just below its intraday all-time high of about $128, while Rocket Lab is up $6.28 the same day.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman discusses ASTS underperforming Rocket Lab on a relative stock-price basis due to New Glenn uncertainty, describing it as a 'reversion to mean' pair trade that has begun closing in recent days.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Real-time short interest has been stubborn at roughly 67-69 million shares, near all-time highs, with the latest report (as of the prior day) at 67 million shares — essentially flat even as the stock rallied from $63 to $126, suggesting convertible arbitrage shorts have offset any short covering.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman recalls that during a prior rally (last June) when the stock rose about 100% in a largely unidirectional move, a decent portion of that was short covering, as short interest fell from all-time highs to more moderate levels over that period; he believes a similar dynamic could be beginning now.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    A listener poll asking for a predicted June peak stock price showed about 45-46% picking $175, about 26% picking $200, about 8.6% picking $250, and about 20% picking $300.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:27

    Anpanman recalls that roughly two years ago the stock was around $2, and that he and Kook previously set successive price targets ($20, then $50) that the stock kept exceeding as the company hit funding, military-award, and commercial-partnership milestones, including the Saudi Telecom (stc) deal — over $1 billion committed over 10 years, $175 million of revenue prepaid, plus stc's 60 MHz of auctioned S-band spectrum that could be lit up.

Near-term catalyst calendar

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:27

    Anpanman lists the Bluebird 8, 9, and 10 launch happening in mid-June, occurring around the same time as the SpaceX IPO.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:27

    Anpanman notes an index reconstitution toward the end of the month: AST is currently in the Russell 1000, and its weighting cap is going up, which should create additional index-driven buying.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:27

    Anpanman says Brazil just granted AST the ability to operate there, including an allocation of S-band spectrum, in a regulatory environment where some S-band spectrum has not been exclusively allocated to Starlink; he speculates a 10-by-10 band-spectrum allocation could apply to the US and Brazil and potentially roll over to Europe.

Starship engine risk and Starlink Direct-to-Cell V2 timeline

3
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Anpanman relays a theory from someone referred to as 'Katya': using too many engines (Starship's first stage has 33 engines) increases the statistical probability of an individual engine failure, and due to how the engines are linked, this can create a cascading failure — which Anpanman says is what was observed in a recent Starship test.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Anpanman contrasts Blue Origin New Glenn (successfully landing/reusing its booster but currently using an expendable second stage, with a reusable second stage still in development) against SpaceX Starship, where recovering and refurbishing the heat-tiled second stage for rapid reuse is described as a much harder unsolved problem.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Anpanman notes Starlink's Direct-to-Cell V2 satellite is solely dependent on Starship becoming commercially viable at a regular cadence; the current Starlink direct-to-cell version is not competitive, and he guesses (spitballing) the next version using more spectrum most likely won't be online before 2028, maybe 2029 — and further Starship setbacks would push that timeline out further.

EchoStar-SpaceX spectrum sale and SpaceX S-1 disclosures

3
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:30:27

    The FCC approved EchoStar's sale of spectrum to SpaceX; Anpanman explains the companies are targeting a November 2027 close, attributing the delay partly to the timing of certain debt payments/financial penalties and partly to the need for country-by-country international regulatory approvals beyond just US regulators.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:30:27

    Anpanman notes SpaceX's IPO prospectus (S-1) disclosed that SpaceX is not working with handset manufacturers and is instead totally dependent on MNOs to push device compatibility for the spectrum it plans to use.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:30:27

    Per the S-1, Starlink discloses working with roughly 30 MNOs globally under multi-year (3-to-5-year) contracts, but notes the MNO customer can terminate these contracts at any time — a detail Anpanman finds notable given carriers' apparent growing wariness of Starlink's ambitions.

Shifting MNO sentiment on direct-to-cell / Starlink competitive threat

3
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Anpanman notes T-Mobile's move to join the AT&T and Verizon satellite joint venture, which he interprets (though not explicitly confirmed, due to regulatory sensitivities) as a signal T-Mobile will end up on AST SpaceMobile's service.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:30:27

    Anpanman says Deutsche Telekom, in its earnings announcement last week, indicated it's comfortable with its Starlink relationship but is open to working with other providers because it does not want to be locked into one vendor, reflecting awareness that Starlink could eventually compete more directly with MNOs.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Anpanman describes the direct-to-cell competitive-threat narrative as having shifted: it initially hit tower companies (American Tower, Crown Castle traded down starting mid-last-year on fears satellite connectivity would crimp tower demand), and has now shifted to MNOs themselves, who are now routinely asked on earnings calls about the competitive threat from Starlink — with executives typically downplaying expected traffic migration while emphasizing satellite as complementary/augmenting rather than competitive.

SpaceX IPO, space-sector rally, and AI data centers in space

3
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Anpanman frames SpaceX's roughly $2 trillion IPO valuation and investor roadshow (stops in Boston, Chicago, Denver, and LA) as introducing large institutional/mutual-fund investors to the space sector's TAM, including government applications and the emerging 'AI data centers in space' vertical.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Anpanman speculates that SpaceX's roadshow presentation includes comparable-company benchmarking that is introducing institutional investors to smaller pure-play space names like Intuitive Machines, Planet Labs, and Rocket Lab for the first time, prompting some to consider these as more direct/pure-play trades relative to SpaceX itself (which also carries xAI and other unrelated business lines/capex).

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:30:27

    Anpanman raises governance concerns about SpaceX, noting Elon Musk effectively controls the shareholder vote and could pursue deals (citing the Cursor acquisition as a precedent) or even a Tesla merger without a shareholder vote.

Watch Items8

  • Blue Origin New Glenn 4 launch (Amazon LEO cargo mission)

    possibly as early as the coming Friday, but Anpanman thinks more likely July, most likely August Anpanman 00:00:27
  • Bluebird 8, 9, and 10 satellite launch

    mid-June Anpanman 00:00:27
  • SpaceX IPO

    around the same time as the mid-June Bluebird 8-10 launch Anpanman 00:00:27
  • Russell 1000 index reconstitution (AST's weighting cap increasing, creating index buying)

    end of this month Anpanman 00:00:27
  • Upcoming Falcon 9 launch carrying 3 AST satellites, expected to visibly rebut the 'satellites don't fit the fairing' rumor

    one of the next 2-3 Falcon 9 launches Anpanman 00:00:27
  • EU 2 gigahertz MSS spectrum allocation decision, seen as potentially favoring AST's European JV with Vodafone/Orange/Telefónica

    coming up in 2027 Anpanman 00:00:27
  • EchoStar-SpaceX spectrum sale closing (subject to debt-payment timing and international regulatory approvals)

    targeted November 2027 Anpanman 00:30:27
  • Starlink Direct-to-Cell V2 satellites, dependent on Starship reaching reliable commercial launch cadence

    guessed (spitballing) not before 2028, maybe 2029 Anpanman 00:30:27

Open Questions5

  • How would satellite-to-phone 'freedom network' access actually be implemented for civilians in a country like Iran — e.g. whether a friendly neighboring country's network core would be used, whether the local MNO would be spoofed, or whether SIM cards would need to be physically distributed — given AST satellites wouldn't be integrated into the Iranian MNO's own core network?

    Anpanman 00:00:27
  • Will Anduril publicly announce a partnership with AST SpaceMobile given Anduril's new 4G LTE-communicating device?

    Anpanman 00:00:27
  • Will the FCC-approved EchoStar-to-SpaceX spectrum sale actually clear the remaining country-by-country international regulatory approvals before its targeted November 2027 close?

    Anpanman 00:30:27
  • Will SpaceX's Starship achieve a reusable, high-cadence second stage, or will the company eventually abandon second-stage reusability in favor of an expendable design — and how much would either path delay Starlink's Direct-to-Cell V2 satellites?

    Anpanman 00:30:27
  • Will Blue Origin's New Glenn 4 mission (carrying Amazon LEO cargo) launch successfully and on the timeline Anpanman expects (as soon as Friday, more likely July/August), removing the launch-vehicle overhang on AST's stock?

    Anpanman 00:00:27
2026-05-26 1:22:39

Kook's Weekly - May 25 - The End of Constellation Constipation

Kook

This is a solo 'Kook's Weekly' recap episode (published May 26, 2026) in which Kook reviews the week's AST SpaceMobile news.

The news includes the shipment of Block 2 BlueBird satellites (numbered 8, 10, and 9) to a SpaceX payload processing facility, plus the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile carrier joint venture and related comments from Abel Avellan and AT&T's John Stankey.

Kook also covers a Ligado bankruptcy filing revealing a 15-year satellite useful life, Scott Wisniewski's JP Morgan conference remarks on backlog and free cash flow, and a bearish read of SpaceX's Starlink Direct-to-Cell business drawn from its IPO S-1 filing.

Kook's headline conclusion is that the satellite-shipping milestone marks the end of 'constellation constipation,' and definitively rebuts the bear thesis that AST lacked launch-provider diversification. It combines with Russell-rebalancing seasonality and a stacking set of 'unlocks' (regulatory, spectrum, carrier JV, government deals) to set up a potentially violent upside repricing. He advises long-term holders to keep their 'moon bag' positions rather than get 'too cute' trading around them.

Key Takeaways

  • AST SpaceMobile shipped Block 2 BlueBird satellites (numbered 8, 10, and 9, shipped in that order) to a SpaceX payload processing facility this week, which Kook calls the end of 'constellation constipation' and the precursor to getting more 'metal in orbit.'
  • Kook argues this shipment directly disproves the bear thesis that AST had a single critical-path launch dependency; the company has agreements with SpaceX/Falcon 9, Blue Origin/New Glenn, ULA/Vulcan, ISRO, and MHI, so the April 2026 New Glenn anomaly did not strand AST's launch plans.
  • ASTS traded around $112.20 in this recording, part of a broader rally across space stocks; Kook attributes part of the strength to the annual Russell index rebalancing, which mechanically forces more buying as the share price rises, plus a historical pattern of the stock rallying every June.
  • Abel Avellan publicly stated AST will have 'access to every operator in the United States,' which Kook reads as confirmation that T-Mobile is effectively joining AST's existing carrier partnerships via the newly announced AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile satellite joint venture.
  • At a JP Morgan conference, AST President Scott Wisniewski said the company expects to be free-cash-flow positive before reaching $1 billion in annual revenue, cited a $1.2 billion revenue backlog, described 10 distinct government use cases (3 currently meaningful for revenue), and detailed AST's launch-provider capacity mix (Falcon 9 at 3 satellites/launch, New Glenn moving from 4 to 8, Vulcan at 5, ISRO at 2, MHI at 3, Ariane 6 at 5).
  • A community researcher found in a Ligado bankruptcy filing that AST's satellites are now designed for a 15-year useful life (attributed to an altitude change), which Kook says will meaningfully reduce future satellite-replacement capital spending compared to SpaceX's lower-altitude, faster-deorbiting Starlink satellites.
  • The Hennessy Advisors letter estimates AST could generate $2.4 to $4.4 billion in annual revenue from worldwide military and first-responder opportunities alone, with additional potential US national-intelligence revenue on top of that.
  • Kook argues SpaceX's Starlink Direct-to-Cell business, per its S-1 filing, is heavily dependent on a single carrier partner (T-Mobile), lacks direct cooperation from handset manufacturers, and had not launched new direct-to-device satellites since June 2025 (about a year at the time of this episode); the S-1 also states SpaceX has no direct contractual arrangement with Apple.
  • SpaceX's S-1 reportedly disclosed a global weighted-average ARPU of about $8 per user, producing roughly $710 million of annualized Starlink Direct-to-Cell revenue about 10 months after commercial launch, against publicly floated total addressable market figures of $720-740 billion.
  • Kook introduces the 'moon bag' investing concept (credited to an investor named Luttrell) — keeping a core long-term position intact even while trading smaller amounts around it — and cautions against selling covered calls or otherwise getting 'too cute' during what he expects to be a catalyst-heavy stretch.
  • A SpaceX Starship test flight this week saw the ship survive reentry but the booster fail to land; Kook separately reports the April 2026 New Glenn 3rd-flight anomaly (which resulted in the loss of BlueBird 7) has been attributed to a plumbing/valve leak rather than a structural design flaw, suggesting the New Glenn program should recover quickly.

Detailed Discussion16 topics

BlueBird Satellite Shipping & End of 'Constellation Constipation'

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:54

    AST SpaceMobile announced the 'Bluebird Convoy' this week, showing that satellites are now at the payload processing facility; they shipped in an unusual order — satellite number 8, then 10, then 9.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:54

    Kook calls this a seminal scaling event and says the 'infamous constellation constipation is over,' describing it as the precursor to getting 'metal in orbit'; he expects satellites to keep rolling off the Midland production line 'like cans of tuna.'

  • Kook Disagreement 00:00:54

    AST communicated the shipment incrementally (piecemeal PR) rather than all at once — first showing 2 satellites shipped and a 3rd about to ship, then confirming the 3rd had shipped; the stock 'rocketed' on the news. Kook argues bears mischaracterized the incremental disclosure as AST hiding a problem, when it was actually transparency.

Bear Thesis on Launch Providers Debunked

3
  • Kook Disagreement 00:00:54

    Kook recounts that around April 2026, after the New Glenn 3rd-flight mishap, bearish commentators (he singles out Tim Ferriss) argued AST could not launch on Falcon 9 and had no other launch providers, which would have been a fatal 'critical path dependency' — comparable to a data center business that can't get Nvidia chips.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:54

    Kook says this bear case was 'proven wrong instantly' because AST has multiple launch providers (SpaceX, ULA, MHI, and others) and this week's shipment of satellites to the SpaceX payload processing facility further proves the satellites fit on the rocket.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:54

    He notes short interest hit all-time highs around $63/share in April 2026 amid this negativity, and frames the current news flow as a direct contradiction of that bear thesis.

Stock Price Action, Russell Rebalancing & Seasonality

3
  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:54

    ASTS was trading around $112.20 at the time of recording, and Kook notes the broader space-stock basket was rallying as well, not just ASTS specifically.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:54

    Kook attributes part of the recent strength to the Russell index rebalancing that occurs this time of year, arguing that as the stock's price and market cap rise, index/institutional buying requirements create a positive, self-reinforcing feedback loop.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:31

    Citing a seasonality chart from @HiriniPK, Kook notes ASTS has historically rallied every June, coinciding in 2025 with Block 1 launch activity and in 2024 with the AT&T and then Verizon SCS/DA authorizations; he expects a similar pattern this year tied to the end of 'constellation constipation.'

Kook's Investment Framework: Unlocks, Velocity of Good News & Moon Bags

6
  • Kook Speculation 00:00:54

    Kook describes a 'if it's worth $20, it's worth $200' framework: stock repricing isn't normally distributed, and clearing a big binary 'unlock' (e.g., US regulatory approval, or now the carrier JV) can cause the market to reprice the whole thesis rather than incrementally.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:54

    He speculates the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile JV could increase AST's effective US market exposure by roughly 50%, moving from 2 of 3 major US carriers (each roughly a third of market share) to all 3.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:54

    Kook explains his 'velocity of good news' framework: if the pace of positive surprises is accelerating, the stock is likely to keep rising; he believes de-risking has already occurred on market adoption, regulation, commercial deals, satellite performance, and balance-sheet financing, and that what the market hasn't yet priced in is what scaled execution (6-10 satellites/month) actually looks like.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:54

    He contrasts the stock's current dynamics ($112/share, ~$40 billion market cap) with its $2/share, roughly $600 million market-cap days, noting the earlier period carried real perceived bankruptcy risk that no longer applies, so 'rapid resolution of financial distress' type rallies are less likely now, but so is a collapse to zero.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:54

    Kook introduces the 'moon bag' concept, credited to an investor named Luttrell, describing it as maintaining a core long-term position rather than being fully in or fully out; he contrasts this with his own historically binary (0-to-1 / 1-to-0) trading style.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:31

    Kook cautions listeners nearing a potential rip to $130 not to sell covered calls or get 'too cute' with trading positions, recalling being 'obliterated' in October (a prior episode) on covered calls during a violent rally.

Space Economy Thesis & Structural Moats

3
  • Kook Speculation 00:00:54

    Referencing a Jeff Bezos comment that 'space-based data centers are very realistic, but 2-3 year timelines are probably too aggressive,' Kook lays out a framework of three space-economy pillars: telecom (already proven, AST's focus), military/defense infrastructure (radar, PNT), and power generation feeding AI data centers, which he views as the largest long-term opportunity.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:54

    He draws analogies to Amazon (books as an early test case before expanding to everything), Tesla, and Nvidia, arguing that companies that build deep infrastructure/scale advantages early gain 'degrees of freedom' competitors can't easily replicate; he argues only three companies can build satellites at state-level production scale.

  • Kook Speculation 00:31:01

    Kook contrasts owning a great business long-term (citing Steve Ballmer holding Microsoft) versus trading it (citing Bill Gates as having destroyed wealth by not holding what he knew best), framing his own approach as 'think like an owner, not a trader.'

AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile Joint Venture & Carrier Commentary

3
  • Kook Company Guidance 00:33:31

    Abel Avellan, in a recent interview, said AST would have 'access to every operator in the United States,' which Kook interprets as confirmation that T-Mobile is joining AST's network alongside AT&T and Verizon via the new carrier JV.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:33:31

    AT&T's John Stankey commented on the JV (summarized by Anpanman in a Spaces and accompanying notes), saying AT&T has 'had a great relationship with AST SpaceMobile,' calling AST's technology and approach 'unique for direct-to-device,' and describing a path toward a 'seamless and straightforward' consumer product.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:31

    Kook frames the MNOs 'coalescing' around ASTS as analogous to chipmakers coalescing around ASML, arguing this creates a self-reinforcing commercial moat: as more MNOs join, AST becomes the low-cost best service, attracting still more MNOs and making it harder for competitors to be economically viable.

Dr. Ali's Multi-Frequency Spectrum Theory

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:33:31

    Kook highlights a tweet from community contributor 'Dr. Ali' noting that BlueBird satellites can operate on 4 different frequencies simultaneously, which Dr. Ali argues means AST functions more like a tower company than a traditional single-carrier partner — infrastructure that doesn't care which carrier is paying, as long as it's monetized.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:31

    Dr. Ali speculates this could evolve into a roaming-style framework where AT&T uses Band 71 satellite coverage while leveraging parts of T-Mobile's terrestrial network, in exchange for T-Mobile joining the AST network — theoretically enabling Band 5 (AT&T), Band 13 (Verizon), Band 14 (FirstNet), and Band 71 (T-Mobile/rural) traffic simultaneously on the same satellites.

Scott Wisniewski's JP Morgan Conference Remarks

4
  • Kook Company Guidance 00:33:31

    Scott Wisniewski said at a JP Morgan fireside chat that AST expects to be free-cash-flow positive before hitting $1 billion in annual revenue; Kook estimates this implies roughly 80% gross margin (~$800 million gross margin) against roughly $400 million of fixed costs, meaning operating leverage kicks in quickly.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:33:31

    Wisniewski cited a $1.2 billion revenue backlog and described 10 distinct government use cases, of which Kook believes roughly 3 are currently meaningful in terms of revenue (Kook flags he may be misremembering the exact number).

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:33:31

    Wisniewski detailed AST's launch-provider mix: Falcon 9 at 3 satellites per launch, New Glenn moving from 4 up to 8 per launch, Vulcan at 5 per launch, ISRO at 2 per launch, MHI at 3 per launch, and Ariane 6 at 5 per launch.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:33:31

    Wisniewski discussed Vodafone's roughly $1 billion (now-appreciated) equity investment in AST and Vodafone's exclusivity across Europe and Africa.

Government/Defense Opportunities & Anduril

2
  • Kook Company Guidance 00:33:31

    Kook says Scott Wisniewski confirmed AST could build a dedicated, government-only satellite production line/security if the US government wanted it — something Kook says he speculated about last summer — consistent with AST's recently expanded factory footprint.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:31

    Kook speculates that Anduril's newly unveiled tactical gateway product, which reportedly uses global cellular broadband connectivity (not MSS connectivity), could pair well with AST SpaceMobile, since AST is, to his knowledge, the only company offering that kind of connectivity — though no formal partnership has been announced.

Satellite Useful Life Extended to 15 Years

2
  • Kook Confirmed 00:33:31

    Kook highlights a finding by community diligencer 'Moore Smith' in a Ligado bankruptcy filing indicating AST's satellites are now expected to have a 15-year useful life, which Kook attributes to a change in operating altitude affecting the drag/station-keeping relationship.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:31

    Kook argues a longer satellite lifespan reduces future maintenance/replenishment capital expenditure, freeing more capital for growth, and contrasts this favorably with SpaceX's Starlink satellites, which fly at a lower altitude (he says around 300 km) and deorbit quickly, forcing SpaceX to dedicate significant Falcon 9 launch capacity just to sustain the existing constellation — part of why Starship matters so much to the Starlink business.

Spectrum Aggregation: Brazil and Beyond

2
  • Kook Confirmed 00:33:31

    Kook reiterates that Brazil's Anatel authorized AST to operate its constellation on S-band, granting a 10-by-10 MHz swath of spectrum, versus what he describes as SpaceX's smaller roughly 5-by-5 MHz sliver of S-band.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:33:31

    Kook argues satellite network usage will always look small as a percentage of total mobile traffic (citing T-Mobile's reported figure of satellite representing 0.0002% of its network traffic) because satellite capacity is inherently spectrum-constrained and will remain a premium service, disputing that this makes it unimportant.

Hennessy Letter Revenue Estimates

2
  • Kook Speculation 00:33:31

    Kook revisits a recent letter from Hennessy (an investment firm that has held a large ASTS position), which estimates AST could generate $2.4 to $4.4 billion in annual revenue from worldwide military and first-responder opportunities, with additional US national-intelligence revenue on top of that.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:31

    Kook argues Hennessy's sustained large position (uncharacteristic for their risk management) suggests they have done deep diligence, and that a business line potentially worth billions in revenue wasn't even contemplated by investors five years ago — he estimates this could be worth roughly 2x the current stock price by itself.

Telecom Industry Sentiment Shift

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:33:31

    Kook cites a quote from the JP Morgan conference (attributed to Deutsche Telekom) stating that while direct-to-device was initially seen as complementary to the wireless ecosystem, recent developments have raised concern it could become a threat, and that Deutsche Telekom needs to take 'bolder steps to protect its moat.'

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:31

    Kook argues this sentiment shift — disruptive technology starting small before becoming existential — mirrors how American Tower recognized the threat and responded by becoming an AST investor/board participant, and that telecom carriers are 'bear-hugging' AST partly to keep SpaceX at bay while hoping AST honors a 'carrier-neutral' business model.

SpaceX S-1 Filing Analysis

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:33:31

    Summarizing analysis from community contributor 'Only 6 Inches,' Kook says SpaceX's S-1 shows Starlink Direct-to-Cell is extremely reliant on a single MNO (T-Mobile) and extremely reliant on handset manufacturers modifying hardware/software, since SpaceX's spectrum doesn't work with existing phones as-is.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:31

    Kook notes SpaceX had not launched any new direct-to-device satellites since June 2025 (about a year at the time of this episode), and questions — half-seriously — whether SpaceX might eventually abandon the direct-to-consumer satellite market given the opportunity cost of dedicating launch mass to it versus core Starlink broadband.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:33:31

    Kook says the S-1 confirms SpaceX's purported partnership with Apple was 'bullshit,' quoting language that SpaceX does not have direct contractual arrangements with handset manufacturers and instead expects MNO partners to encourage device compatibility — contradicting past rumors that had periodically hit ASTS's stock price.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:33:31

    Kook references reported SpaceX TAM figures of $720-740 billion for mobile broadband, and says the S-1 disclosed a global weighted-average ARPU of about $8 per user, implying roughly $710 million in annualized Starlink Direct-to-Cell revenue about 10 months after commercial launch — he argues this is a bullish read-through for AST hitting its 2027 revenue targets.

Starship Launch & New Glenn Update

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:33:31

    Kook describes watching a Starship test flight on Friday: the ship survived reentry, but the booster did not land successfully; the vehicle reached roughly 100 km altitude, which Kook believed was the wrong target orbit, and the vacuum engines failed to reignite in space.

  • Kook Rumor 00:33:31

    Kook says he learned this week that the April 2026 New Glenn 3rd-flight anomaly (which resulted in the loss of BlueBird 7) was 'literally just a plumbing accident' — a leaky valve causing propellant loss — rather than a structural design flaw, suggesting New Glenn will return to flight quickly.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:31

    Citing analysis from community contributor 'Katzy,' Kook discusses a theory that Starship's large number of engines creates a statistically higher risk of cascading failures from a single engine-out event, drawing a comparison to a 'Russian approach' to rocket design.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:31

    Kook poses an open question about Starship's underlying economics: whether SpaceX made the right design tradeoff by pursuing a fully reusable but expensive second stage (Ship) versus Blue Origin's approach with New Glenn, which pairs a reusable booster with a cheaper, expendable second stage, for the specific use case of launching satellites.

  • Kook Speculation 00:33:31

    Kook notes ULA's Vulcan rocket is next up on the launch manifest, expecting AST to also launch satellites on Vulcan, though he isn't certain the launch happens this year.

Block 2 Satellite Economics & Sun Sandwich Design

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  • Kook Speculation 00:31:03

    Citing an estimate from community contributor 'Justin at JustBar23' (which Kook says he has not independently verified), a fully mature Block 2 satellite is projected to cost about $23 million to build and launch, equivalent in cost to roughly 16 Starlink satellites but with roughly 100 times the capacity; current satellites cost more than this long-term target as production scales up (Kook compares this to early, more expensive Rivian vehicles).

  • Kook Untagged 00:31:03

    Kook explains Abel Avellan's 'sun sandwich' satellite design concept: one side of the satellite collects solar energy while the other side performs a market-driven function (currently radio-frequency generation/processing, potentially future power-beaming or AI data processing), making nearly the entire satellite surface dedicated to power and commercial application — unlike SpaceX's design, which uses a separate solar array and a separate antenna array.

Watch Items6

  • Next batch of Block 2 BlueBird satellites shipping and launching from Cape Canaveral

    inside of 2 to 4 weeks (from the episode date) Kook 00:33:31
  • Russell index rebalancing/reweighting

    this time of year (summer/June) Kook 00:00:54
  • Historical June seasonality pattern for ASTS shares

    June Kook 00:33:31
  • ULA Vulcan next launch

    on next spaceflight; possibly later this year Kook 00:33:31
  • Potential large government/defense contract award(s) (e.g., Golden Dome-related)

    not specified — described as hoped-for and forthcoming Kook 00:00:54
  • Market's reassessment of AST's 2027 revenue potential ('the Cook 900')

    between now and next year Kook 00:00:54

Open Questions5

  • What is the actual break-even price/economics that SpaceX's Starship design philosophy (fully reusable but expensive Ship vs. expendable second stage) was underwritten on, especially for the satellite-launch use case specifically?

    Kook 00:33:31
  • Is there any meaningful diminishing return to scale in AST's satellite unit economics as production scales from dozens to hundreds of satellites?

    Kook 00:00:54
  • Will SpaceX eventually abandon or deprioritize the direct-to-device/direct-to-cell consumer market given the opportunity cost of dedicating launch mass to it?

    Kook 00:33:31
  • Will AST SpaceMobile actually stand up a separate government-only satellite production entity/security, as Scott Wisniewski suggested is possible?

    Kook 00:33:31
  • What exact commercial/roaming framework (e.g., Dr. Ali's Band 71/T-Mobile theory) will emerge from the new AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture?

    Kook 00:33:31
2026-05-22 44:57

Anpanman - The Space Frontier: AI Data Centers and the Trillion Dollar Opportunity

Anpanman

In this solo episode, Anpanman walks through the rapid sentiment shift in AST SpaceMobile and the broader space sector — from what he calls the 'pit of despair' near $63/share on May 5, 2026 to a fast rally.

He attributes that rally to the SpaceX IPO 'halo effect,' the Blue Origin factory tour, Bluebird satellite shipments, and falling short interest. He argues space is a once-in-a-generation investment theme like railroads or oil.

He lays out a thesis that AST's high-power satellites (which he estimates already generate over 100 kilowatts each) position the company for a future, non-distracting pivot into space-based AI data centers, once its core constellation is deployed and cash-flow positive.

He closes with a caution against holding leveraged 2x ASTS ETFs, and a discussion of the fixed-wireless market opportunity opened by AST's future L-band/S-band spectrum.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman notes AST SpaceMobile bottomed near $63/share on May 5, 2026, which he publicly called the start of an 'endless rally' at the time, and the stock has since rallied strongly, which he attributes to a stack of positive catalysts (SpaceX IPO buzz, Bluebird shipments, Blue Origin's return to flight, falling short interest).
  • Anpanman's central thesis is that AST SpaceMobile's satellites already generate very large amounts of onboard power — he estimates over 100 kilowatts per satellite, versus Elon Musk's stated goal of eventually reaching 100 kilowatts for competitor K2's satellites — which he argues sets up a natural future progression from communications into space-based AI data centers, without AST needing to pivot away from its core direct-to-device and defense constellation buildout.
  • He recounts that AST satellites are now expected to have an approximately 15-year operational lifetime (versus roughly 3 years for Starlink satellites in very low orbit), a detail he says was disclosed in a Ligado bankruptcy filing, which he argues will keep AST's future satellite-replacement capital expenditure comparatively low.
  • Anpanman frames the upcoming SpaceX IPO as a 'halo effect' catalyst that will educate generalist institutional investors about the space sector broadly and, in his view, drive incremental capital into other pure-play space stocks like AST SpaceMobile rather than cannibalize them, since SpaceX itself bundles in Starlink, xAI, and X rather than being a pure play.
  • He highlights that AST SpaceMobile's real-time short interest fell for the first time in 8-9 days, from $69 million down to $68.3 million and then to $66.8 million, which he interprets as a possible early sign of short covering similar to a pattern he says preceded the stock's run from $22 to $55 in June of the prior year.
  • From the Blue Origin factory tour aired on CNBC, Anpanman relays that Blue Origin is working on booster number 5 (with booster 4 expected to finish over the summer and booster 5 in the fall), is targeting a roughly 30-day booster refurbishment cadence, is producing one BE-4 engine every 4 days, and is running two parallel teams — one to make expendable New Glenn second stages cheap enough to compete with reusability, another pursuing a reusable second stage (GS2).
  • Anpanman confirms, live during the episode, that the third of three Block 2 Bluebird satellites (Bluebird 9) has shipped from the Texas facility, joining Bluebird 8 and 10 already en route to Cape Canaveral ahead of an expected mid-June launch.
  • Anpanman cautions against holding 2x leveraged AST SpaceMobile ETFs for extended periods, explaining that volatility decay causes these products to lose value in sideways/choppy markets and approach zero over time, though they can outperform more than 2x during sustained unidirectional rallies; he advises against using margin or options on top of these already-leveraged products.
  • He cites SpaceX's IPO S-1 disclosures showing a roughly $750 billion total addressable market for direct-to-device connectivity and a separate roughly $800 billion fixed broadband TAM, and argues AST's future mid-band (L-band/S-band) constellation will let it additionally compete in the fixed-wireless market currently served by Starlink, OneWeb, and Viasat, at speeds he estimates around 200-300+ Mbps.
  • Anpanman flags an SpaceX S-1 disclosure of $632 million in incremental 2025 growth from Starlink's consumer mobile (direct-to-cell) connectivity business, and a separately-discussed $18 ARPU figure for Starlink Mobile, both of which he says are much higher than the roughly $5 (developing markets) to $10 (developed markets) ARPU most investors underwrite for AST's own direct-to-device business.

Detailed Discussion10 topics

Sentiment shift and space as a generational investment

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    AST SpaceMobile was trading at $63 on May 5, 2026, a point of maximum pessimism ('the pits'), when Anpanman tweeted that the 'endless rally' was starting; he calls this tweet prescient in hindsight given the subsequent rally.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:28

    He was inspired by a tweet from an account called Keaze MN comparing space today to past generational investment opportunities like railroads, early computers, oil, shipping, and dot-com, suggesting space may be the biggest opportunity of all, posted in response to the Blue Origin factory tour video.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    He argues SpaceMob members are fortunate to be early participants in a transformational industry shift, noting that space companies historically had to go public via SPAC (rather than traditional IPO) because banks like Goldman Sachs or Morgan Stanley considered the business models too risky or too early to underwrite.

AST's SPAC origin story and personal investment history

3
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:28

    He explains he backed into his AST SpaceMobile position by originally holding warrants in New Providence Acquisition Corp, which then merged with AST; he reviewed the presentation, spoke with Abel Avellan, and decided to invest and write about it, not anticipating he'd hold the stock for 5 years as it grew this large.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:28

    He describes AST SpaceMobile at the time of its SPAC deal as effectively being at a 'Series C round' level of development, similar to other space SPACs like Rocket Lab and Planet Labs, some of which became multibaggers for early, conviction-holding investors while other SPAC-era space companies were 'half-baked' and hurt investors.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:00:28

    He recalls legacy space and 'old defense prime' skeptics dismissing AST's core premise — connecting an unmodified phone directly to a satellite for broadband — as impossible ('you can't close a link budget'), and argues these detractors have been proven wrong but won't publicly change their view.

AI data centers in space

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    US Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick tweeted about meeting with Gwynne Shotwell of SpaceX to discuss AI data centers in space; Anpanman argues that while AST should focus on its direct-to-device constellation and military applications now, the AI data center opportunity is a natural progression, not a pivot, likely to become relevant within 1-2 years.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    AST SpaceMobile has almost 4,000 patents; he cites Elon Musk discussing satellites moving from 20 kilowatts toward eventually 100 kilowatts of onboard power (with competitor K2's first test satellite at 20 kilowatts aiming for 100), and estimates AST's Bluebird satellites, based on their Sharp solar cells, already generate 'a little over 100 kilowatts,' with his own estimate closer to 120 kilowatts.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    He describes a partially confidential satellite element he calls 'the tail,' which he estimates adds roughly another 20 kilowatts of power on top of the phased array's output.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    He acknowledges AST has not solved all heat-dissipation issues for continuous high-power operation, noting satellites cycle in and out of sunlight, but speculates the antenna elements on the underside of the Micron satellite bus could theoretically be re-architected as heat sinks in a sun-synchronous orbit to help dissipate heat.

  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:28

    He recalls an anecdote from around the Block 1 BlueBird launch in September 2024, where an early long-only investor (Hennessy) and a portfolio manager (Dave Rainey) told him AST's business would have several pillars — patent licensing, defense, commercial — and specifically power, since AST's satellites are the largest solar arrays in low Earth orbit; he says this planted the seed for his later AI-data-center thesis.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    He believes once AST finishes deploying its low-band, mid-band, and possibly a government-focused constellation and is generating 'billions' in free cash flow, the company should pursue AI data centers, potentially partnering with Google (already a strategic investor), Amazon/Blue Origin, or others; he believes a 'Skunk Works'-style internal team may already be exploring this, and guesses a new disclosure on this could come within roughly a year.

SpaceX IPO and the connectivity profit engine

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:28

    He cites SpaceX's S-1 showing that a large majority of revenue (he cites a figure around 70-84%, expressing some uncertainty) and effectively all of EBITDA come from Starlink connectivity rather than launch services, framing connectivity as the 'profit engine' funding future exploration goals like the Moon and Mars.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    He argues the upcoming SpaceX IPO roadshow will introduce many institutional investors to the broader space sector for the first time, including comparisons to other space companies mentioned in the S-1, creating a 'halo effect' that draws institutional capital into pure-play space stocks like AST SpaceMobile, Rocket Lab, Firefly, BlackSky, Planet Labs, and Redwire.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    He personally does not plan to invest meaningfully in SpaceX at its expected $2-3 trillion valuation (though he'll buy one token share to track it), arguing SpaceX is not a pure play since it bundles in xAI, X (Twitter), and the pending Cursor acquisition; he speculates SpaceX could eventually spin off xAI and X if the combined entity trades at a conglomerate discount.

Stock price pattern, catalysts, and short interest

3
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:28

    He traces AST's price pattern: a rally to $39 in summer 2024 post-AT&T/Verizon deals, consolidation into 2025, a run from roughly $20-25 to a high near $55 in June 2025 (helped by the Ligado deal going definitive and news around a Trump-Elon fallout), a peak near $129 in January 2026, a subsequent selloff, and a bottom near $63 in early May 2026 before the current rally.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    He says AST's real-time short interest fell for the first time in 8-9 days, moving from an adjusted $69 million to $68.3 million and then to $66.8 million as of the episode; he attributes part of the elevated short interest to convertible-note arbitrageurs shorting stock as it rises to hedge deltas, and interprets the net decline as evidence of actual short covering beginning, potentially by short sellers or SpaceX-related investors who had used AST as a sector hedge ahead of the SpaceX IPO.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    He states AST's prior intraday all-time high was around $128 and predicts the stock will break through that level in the next few weeks.

Blue Origin factory tour

4
  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:28

    From Jeff Bezos's CNBC factory tour, Blue Origin is currently flying booster 2 and booster 3 (booster 1 was lost after a failed landing), with booster 4 expected to finish sometime over the summer and booster 5 coming online in the fall; the company is targeting a roughly 30-day booster refurbishment/reflight cadence, which with two boosters supports launching about every two weeks, scaling up as more boosters join rotation.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    Bezos said his ambition is to eventually launch every week, then every day, then every hour; Anpanman notes that with 4 boosters in rotation and weekly launches of up to 8 Bluebirds each, a full constellation could theoretically be launched within about 3 months, though production cadence remains a gating factor.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:28

    Blue Origin is producing one BE-4 engine every 4 days (used on both New Glenn and ULA's Vulcan Centaur), and is on its 15th second-stage build; the company runs two parallel engineering tracks — one making expendable second stages cheap enough to beat reusable economics, another developing a reusable second stage (GS2) aimed at undercutting the expendable option.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    He notes 5-6 engines were replaced/upgraded between New Glenn's first and second flights ('Never Tell Me the Odds'), and expresses skepticism that fully reusable upper-stage vehicles (referencing SpaceX's Starship) will be solved soon given the stress of re-entry, suggesting SpaceX could end up keeping Starship's upper stage expendable.

Bluebird 8/9/10 shipment update

3
  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:28

    During the live recording, Anpanman confirms Bluebird 9 shipped from the Texas facility about 12 minutes earlier, joining Bluebird 8 and 10 already shipped, completing the batch of three Block 2 satellites headed to Cape Canaveral for encapsulation into a SpaceX Falcon 9 fairing ahead of an expected mid-June launch.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    He believes AST is hiring staff at Cape Canaveral to handle payload receiving and processing given the volume of Bluebirds being shipped for integration with Falcon 9, Blue Origin New Glenn, or ULA Vulcan Centaur.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    He expects a Falcon 9 launch of this Bluebird batch in mid-June, with another launch likely in early July, and notes a second batch of satellites is getting close to shipment readiness as well.

Caution on leveraged 2x ETFs

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    A new 2x leveraged AST SpaceMobile ETF launched; Anpanman warns that leveraged products decay toward zero over time in sideways/choppy markets due to volatility drag and compounding, even though they can significantly outperform more than 2x during sustained unidirectional rallies.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    He advises these products are only appropriate for short-term traders with perceived edge during clearly unidirectional trends, and explicitly warns against using margin or options on top of leveraged ETFs due to compounded volatility risk.

Fixed wireless market and future spectrum

2
  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    He expects that once AST's mid-band constellation is up and using 45-50 MHz of L-band spectrum in North America (via the Ligado deal) plus some quantum of S-band spectrum globally, the network will be able to compete in the fixed-wireless market currently served by Starlink, OneWeb, and Viasat, at speeds he estimates around 200-300+ Mbps (shared), lower than dedicated Starlink dish service but still strong performance via a phone or hotspot.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    He speculates that with AI optimization, carrier aggregation, and MIMO across the low-band, mid-band, and eventually a C-band constellation, per-cell throughput could exceed a gigabit per second, or possibly multiple gigabits, though he flags this as uncertain ('I don't know').

SpaceX S-1 TAM figures and Starlink Mobile metrics

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:28

    SpaceX's S-1 disclosed a roughly $750 billion total addressable market specifically for direct-to-device connectivity, separate from a roughly $800 billion figure he cites for fixed broadband; he frames the $750B as the relevant starting comparison point for AST, with the fixed-wireless TAM as additional future upside.

  • Anpanman Disagreement 00:00:28

    SpaceX's S-1 disclosed $632 million of incremental 2025 growth in consumer mobile (direct-to-cell) connectivity revenue; he disputes analyst Tim Farrar's interpretation that this represents the total size of the business, arguing the language describes incremental growth (which may include some contract/activation revenue) rather than the full revenue base, and calls the underlying growth figure 'pretty damn bullish' for an intermittent service he views as inferior to AST's.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:28

    An $18 ARPU (average revenue per user) figure was cited for Starlink Mobile, which Anpanman calls unusually high compared to the roughly $5 (developing markets) to $10 (developed markets) ARPU most investors underwrite for AST SpaceMobile's own direct-to-device business, though he notes uncertainty over whether the $18 figure reflects a standalone product or a partner-channel arrangement.

Watch Items6

  • Falcon 9 launch of the Bluebird 8/9/10 batch

    expected mid-June 2026 Anpanman 00:00:28
  • Second Falcon 9 launch of the next Bluebird batch

    expected early July 2026 (speculative) Anpanman 00:00:28
  • SpaceX IPO pricing

    expected June 2026 Anpanman 00:00:28
  • Blue Origin New Glenn static fire test

    'relatively soon' Anpanman 00:00:28
  • AST SpaceMobile breaking its prior all-time intraday high (~$128)

    expected 'in the next few weeks' Anpanman 00:00:28
  • Blue Origin booster 4 and booster 5 entering rotation

    booster 4 'over the summer,' booster 5 'in the fall' Anpanman 00:00:28

Open Questions6

  • When, if ever, will AST SpaceMobile formally disclose an AI data center initiative or partnership, and with whom (e.g. Google)?

    Anpanman 00:00:28
  • Does the recent decline in AST's real-time short interest mark the start of a sustained short-covering trend similar to the pattern seen in the stock's June 2025 rally, or is it a temporary blip?

    Anpanman 00:00:28
  • Will the SpaceX IPO's 'halo effect' actually translate into institutional capital flowing into pure-play space stocks like AST SpaceMobile, or will detractors be proven right that capital simply consolidates into SpaceX itself?

    Anpanman 00:00:28
  • Does SpaceX's disclosed $632 million 'incremental growth' figure for Starlink Direct to Cell represent pure service revenue or does it include contract/activation revenue, and what was the actual 2024 baseline?

    Anpanman 00:00:28
  • Is the cited $18 ARPU figure for Starlink Mobile from a standalone consumer product or achieved through a carrier-partner arrangement?

    Anpanman 00:00:28
  • Can AST SpaceMobile's satellites be re-engineered (e.g. repurposing antenna-side elements as heat sinks in a sun-synchronous orbit) to solve continuous high-power heat dissipation needed for a future AI-data-center use case?

    Anpanman 00:00:28
2026-05-20 16:28

Anpanman - The Defense Tell

Anpanman

In this solo episode, Anpanman covers four main threads. The first is Anduril's new Voyager G1 warfighter communication device (which includes 4G LTE cellular), which he takes as a sign that Palmer Luckey's investment in AST SpaceMobile reflects the strategic value of AST's low-band satellite-to-cell connectivity for contested/military environments.

The second is an update suggesting Blue Origin's New Glenn second-stage anomaly was a simple quality-assurance miss rather than a design flaw, with FAA clearance and a possible static fire/launch attempt expected soon.

The third is a rundown of how many BlueBird satellites each launch vehicle (New Glenn, Falcon 9, ISRO, Vulcan Centaur, Ariane 6, Mitsubishi Heavy) can carry and how that maps to AST's production-cadence goals. The fourth is a long-run bull case for ASTS reaching $1,000/share, by analogy to how skeptics underestimated SpaceX/Starlink's valuation trajectory since 2021.

The headline conclusion is that AST's dual-use (commercial + defense) positioning and expanding launch/production capacity make a much higher long-term valuation plausible, though Anpanman is explicit he has no specific timeline for $1,000/share.

Key Takeaways

  • Anduril released the Voyager G1, a wearable warfighter communication device (originally developed by defense manufacturer KLAS) that supports Wi-Fi, Ethernet, and 4G LTE cellular connectivity for ground troops.
  • Anpanman argues the Voyager G1's cellular capability was effectively 'made for AST SpaceMobile,' since it isn't using MSS spectrum (not Iridium, Globalstar, or, as far as known, Starlink), and AST is the only satellite operator offering low-band cellular broadband connectivity that could serve such a device securely in a contested environment.
  • Palmer Luckey, Anduril's founder, is a disclosed investor in AST SpaceMobile (disclosed roughly a year prior in response to a question), which Anpanman frames as evidence Luckey anticipated this dual-use commercial/military convergence.
  • Anpanman's due diligence indicates the New Glenn second-stage anomaly (failure of one of two BE-3 engines to initiate a second burn) was caused by a simple, catchable quality-assurance/process oversight rather than a fundamental design flaw, and he expects the FAA investigation to clear soon, potentially enabling a static fire and launch attempt as soon as the following week.
  • Different launch vehicles carry different numbers of composite BlueBird satellites per launch: New Glenn up to 8 (potentially ~12 with the upgraded '9x4' variant), Falcon 9 up to 3, ISRO up to 2, ULA's Vulcan Centaur (max heavy config) up to 5, Ariane 6 (heaviest config) up to 5, and Mitsubishi Heavy up to 3 (though Mitsubishi Heavy's last launch suffered an anomaly and did not reach orbit).
  • Anpanman's bull-case guess is that the constellation could reach 45-60 satellites by around Q2 and the full ~100-satellite target by late Q3/early Q4, contingent on production cadence reaching 6-10 satellites per month.
  • Anpanman recalls that AST's Scott Wisniewski previously indicated the first mid-band BlueBird satellite could roll off the production line around Q1 2026 and potentially launch around Q2 2026, after which some production would shift toward lighting up the Ligado and other global S-band spectrum.
  • Anpanman believes a $1,000 ASTS share price is plausible (though he has no specific date for it), drawing a direct analogy to how a 2021 Morgan Stanley (Adam Jonas) report valuing SpaceX at $100 billion was widely dismissed as absurd at the time, yet SpaceX is now approaching a $2-3 trillion valuation depending on the prediction market.
  • Anpanman predicts that within the next 3-4 years, SpaceX could spin off xAI and X into a separate entity once that business becomes financially self-sufficient/profitable, since he views xAI as carrying probably negative value relative to SpaceX today.
  • Anpanman frames AST SpaceMobile's addressable market as extending well beyond phone connectivity to include Internet of Things devices, autonomous cars/trucks/drones, and defense applications (radar, early detection, electronic warfare/jamming) enabled by 60-100 large phased-array satellites in low Earth orbit.

Detailed Discussion5 topics

Anduril Voyager G1 and the defense dual-use case for AST SpaceMobile

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  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:27

    Anduril just released (via a product originally developed by defense manufacturer KLAS) a warfighter communication device called the Voyager G1, providing tactical communications for ground troops; it's a wearable device offering multiple communication alternatives including Wi-Fi, Ethernet, and cellular.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:01:17

    The Voyager G1's cellular capability is specifically 4G LTE, not yet 5G.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    Palmer Luckey is a disclosed investor in AST SpaceMobile, having revealed this roughly a year ago in response to someone asking him about it; Anpanman argues this shows Luckey saw the value of AST's constellation and dual-use potential for how Anduril-type products would connect.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    The Voyager G1 is, in his view, 'made for AST SpaceMobile' because it is not connecting over MSS spectrum — not Iridium, not Globalstar, and as far as he knows not Starlink; he's unsure whether Starshield can use cellular spectrum since it's classified.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    AST SpaceMobile is working with the Space Development Agency (SDA) around the 'proliferated warfighter' program, and any device used in a contested area would need secure satellite connectivity rather than local wireless carrier service — AST is the only satellite provider offering low-band cellular broadband connectivity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    His guess for how this plays out: in a contested environment, one device might broadcast a small local cellular network connecting warfighters, while satellite connectivity (from AST) provides redundancy or primary connectivity.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    He expects other products beyond the Voyager G1 to also leverage the SDA's new constellation that AST is part of, calling this dual-use (commercial + military) trend 'a big tell' for where the industry is headed.

Blue Origin New Glenn — FAA investigation and anomaly cause

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:01:18

    Jeff Bezos's recent interview was expected to cover space topics but the interviewer instead focused mostly on class equality.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    Based on signals from both AST management and people at Blue Origin, he believes the FAA investigation into the New Glenn second-stage anomaly is close to wrapping up, and Blue Origin's team appears to be lining up for a potential static fire of 'New Glenn 4' as soon as next week.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    Per his own due diligence, the issue that prevented the second stage from initiating a second burn — involving one of the two BE-3 engines — was something simple that should have been caught in quality assurance before flight; it is not a design issue, more like a missed process step.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    He expects the FAA to clear New Glenn 'any day now' — possibly today, tomorrow, or over the weekend.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    Everyone is also waiting to see what SpaceX's Starship 'S1' test looks like, expecting some interesting details to come out of it.

Bezos interview and Amazon/Blue Origin's space data-center ambitions

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:01:18

    One takeaway from the Bezos interview is a stated push and interest in building AI data centers in space.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:01:18

    Amazon and Blue Origin reportedly plan three constellations: Amazon LEO (fixed wireless to the home), TerraWave (high-speed enterprise-class connectivity to data centers), and a third constellation he could not recall.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    Bezos did not discuss direct-to-device or direct-to-cell service; Amazon previously did a deal with Globalstar, and Anpanman speculates Amazon may still be figuring out its direct-to-device strategy or may have just acquired cheap spectrum via that deal.

Launch vehicle stacking capacity and satellite production cadence

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    Responding to a listener question about maximum satellite stacking per rocket and whether nearly all satellites could be in orbit by the end of next year at a 2x-launches-per-month cadence, Anpanman said that's incorrect — the company would actually get all satellites in place sooner than that.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:01:18

    If the company reaches a production cadence of at least 6 satellites per month, eventually inching up to 8, 10, or 12 (which the company has talked about), after the initial 100 satellites are up they might slow production down somewhat.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    New Glenn's maximum stack is 8 BlueBird satellites; if Blue Origin moves to the upgraded '9x4' New Glenn variant, that could rise to roughly 12 satellites per launch.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    Falcon 9 can carry 3 composite BlueBirds per launch; ISRO can carry 2.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    A new launch provider, ULA's Vulcan Centaur, can reportedly carry up to 5 composite BlueBirds in its maximum heavy configuration (with 6 solid rocket boosters) — roughly equivalent to Falcon Heavy's capacity, which surprised him.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    Ariane 6 in its heaviest configuration can reportedly carry up to 5 BlueBirds.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    Mitsubishi Heavy — a launch provider the company is reportedly in talks with, alongside Ariane — could carry up to 3 BlueBirds, though its last launch suffered an anomaly and failed to reach orbit.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    If production reaches 6-10 satellites per month, the company could get to nearly 100 satellites by mid-year if 'really cooking,' or by mid-to-third-quarter otherwise.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:01:18

    He recalled that Scott Wisniewski had mentioned the first mid-band BlueBird might roll off the production line around Q1 2026 and/or potentially be launched around Q2, after which some production would shift toward that constellation to light up the Ligado spectrum and other global S-band spectrum the company can secure.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    His bull-case estimate: reaching 45-60 satellites by around Q2, and the full ~100-satellite constellation by late Q3 or early Q4.

Long-term ASTS valuation — the $1,000/share thesis

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    Asked when ASTS could hit $1,000/share, he said he doesn't have an exact date but believes it's absolutely possible, citing massive addressable markets beyond phone connectivity — IoT devices, autonomous cars/trucks/drones, and defense (radar, early detection, electronic warfare/jamming) using 60-100 of the largest phased arrays in low Earth orbit.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    He references Pierre Leonet, a France-based legacy space consultant/economist, who rebutted a 2021 Morgan Stanley report (by analyst Adam Jonas) point-by-point, arguing a $100 billion SpaceX valuation didn't make sense and that SpaceX would never get there.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    That 2021 Morgan Stanley report was the source of the idea that Starlink made up the majority of SpaceX's economics — roughly 65-70% of revenue/profit contribution back then; today he estimates it's closer to 75% of revenue and perhaps around 80% of profit contribution.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    SpaceX is now approaching a $2-3 trillion valuation (depending on the prediction market) via a potential IPO, up from the once-dismissed $100 billion 2021 estimate — roughly a 30x increase.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    He argues xAI, which SpaceX has 'glommed onto,' probably carries a negative value relative to SpaceX today.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:01:18

    He predicts that within the next 3-4 years, SpaceX will spin off xAI and X into a separate entity once that business reaches financial independence/profitability, since it wouldn't make sense to keep it bundled with SpaceX at that point.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:14:30

    Drawing the parallel forward: if SpaceX was worth $100 billion with Starlink worth $65-70 billion of that, then AST SpaceMobile at $800 million (historically) looked cheap; today SpaceX is worth $2-3 trillion and AST SpaceMobile is at $30 billion, so a $1,000/share outcome for ASTS is not unreasonable, though he can't say exactly when.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:14:30

    His personal guess is that $1,000/share could be reasonable within 2 to 3 years, though he stresses this is not a firm prediction.

Watch Items4

  • FAA investigation into the New Glenn second-stage anomaly wrapping up, potentially followed by a static fire and launch attempt

    Could clear 'any day now' — today, tomorrow, or over the weekend; static fire/launch attempt possibly as soon as next week Anpanman 00:01:18
  • SpaceX Starship 'S1' test

    Upcoming, unspecified date Anpanman 00:01:18
  • First mid-band BlueBird rolling off the production line and/or launching

    Roll-off around Q1 2026; potential launch around Q2 2026 (per Scott Wisniewski, as recalled by Anpanman) Anpanman 00:01:18
  • Constellation reaching 45-60 satellites, then the full ~100-satellite target

    Bull case: 45-60 satellites by around Q2; full ~100 satellites by late Q3/early Q4 Anpanman 00:01:18

Open Questions4

  • Whether Starshield (SpaceX's classified government satellite system) can use cellular spectrum for direct-to-device-style connectivity is unknown, since the program is classified.

    Anpanman 00:01:18
  • What the 'third' Amazon/Blue Origin constellation (beyond Amazon LEO and TerraWave) mentioned by Bezos actually is — Anpanman could not recall it.

    Anpanman 00:01:18
  • Why Amazon pursued its deal with Globalstar and whether Amazon has a direct-to-device strategy, versus simply acquiring cheap spectrum.

    Anpanman 00:01:18
  • Exactly when ASTS could reach $1,000/share — Anpanman is explicit he has no specific date, only a directional view that it's achievable.

    Anpanman 00:14:30
2026-05-19 33:09

Anpanman - The Great Satellite Pivot

Anpanman

Anpanman, solo-hosting this AST SpaceMobile Podcast episode, breaks down AT&T CEO John Stankey's keynote address, given the morning of the episode, about the new AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture for satellite-to-cellular connectivity. T-Mobile's CEO had made similar but vaguer comments the day before.

Anpanman's headline conclusion is that despite careful, regulator-friendly "pro-competition" language, every substantive detail Stankey gave describes AST SpaceMobile's architecture specifically, not Starlink's. Those details include pooling scarce low-band spectrum, shared ground-station infrastructure, and unified standards based on 3GPP integration into the MNO core network.

He adds that T-Mobile joining the JV signals a hard pivot away from its Starlink partnership. He frames this as extremely bullish for AST, positioning it as the enabling technology for a wholesale satellite market across all three major US carriers, with commercial service targeted for the second half of 2026.

Key Takeaways

  • Anpanman argues that AT&T CEO John Stankey's keynote address, in which he was asked specifically about the new AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture, described an architecture (deep MNO-network-core integration, low-band spectrum pooling, shared ground stations) that only matches AST SpaceMobile, not Starlink, even though Stankey never named AST as the exclusive provider.
  • T-Mobile's participation in the joint venture is interpreted by Anpanman as a pivot away from its existing Starlink Direct-to-Cell partnership, since T-Mobile already has nationwide 5x5 MHz of 1.9 GHz PCS spectrum committed to Starlink and would have no technical need to 'pool spectrum resources' with AT&T/Verizon unless it were shifting toward AST's low-band, network-integrated model instead.
  • Anpanman contrasts the two competing architectures: AST SpaceMobile integrates directly into an MNO's network core (the MNO controls pricing, packaging, and seamless handovers between terrestrial and satellite), whereas Starlink Direct-to-Cell operates as a separate roaming network that Starlink itself controls, with the carrier having no control over service menu or seamless integration.
  • Anpanman claims T-Mobile's deal with Starlink is an 80/20 revenue split favoring Starlink, versus AST SpaceMobile's 50/50 revenue-share arrangement with AT&T and Verizon, and speculates this economic gap is another reason T-Mobile is shifting toward the AST-centered joint venture.
  • Stankey laid out four strategic reasons for the joint venture — unified standards/lobbying, spectrum optimization (pooling low-band spectrum), building a robust wholesale satellite market, and efficient/shared ground-station infrastructure — all of which Anpanman argues describe AST SpaceMobile's approach rather than Starlink's proprietary, self-contained network.
  • Anpanman notes the joint venture's public messaging (fostering competition, a 'robust wholesale market' with multiple constellations) is calculated language meant to satisfy an expected Department of Justice and FCC antitrust/competition review, not necessarily a commitment to actually using multiple satellite providers.
  • Anpanman speculates the DOJ review may ultimately require each carrier to negotiate satellite pricing individually rather than collectively as a cartel through the joint venture, though he doesn't see this as a threat to AST's long-term economics.
  • Anpanman states Stankey indicated commercial service from the joint venture is targeted to begin in the second half of 2026, and that AT&T is 'quarterbacking' the entire joint venture given its lead role in building network integration on AST's behalf.
  • Anpanman points to a technical performance gap: Block 1 BlueBird satellites (launched 2024) reportedly achieve 100 Mbps, Block 2 satellites are expected to roughly double that, while Starlink Direct-to-Cell today delivers around 5 Mbps, with its planned second-generation satellite (dependent on Starship's success, possibly not launching until 2027-2029) targeting only about 150 Mbps.
  • Anpanman argues the joint venture also has national-security and emergency-response implications, since FirstNet (AT&T's public-safety network) is powered by AST SpaceMobile, meaning all three carriers pooling resources around AST would benefit first responders during natural disasters when terrestrial towers fail.

Detailed Discussion8 topics

Setup and regulatory framing of the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture

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  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:50

    Anpanman explains that because the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture will have to go through Department of Justice and FCC review for antitrust and consumer-benefit concerns, the companies must be very careful in how they publicly describe the venture's structure and goals, framing everything around fostering competition and consumer choice.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:50

    Anpanman notes that the T-Mobile CEO spoke about the JV the day before (in generic, blanket terms) and that Verizon said comparatively little, but John Stankey's keynote the next morning devoted roughly 7 minutes to the JV topic, of which about 1 to 1.5 minutes specifically addressed AST SpaceMobile; Anpanman posted a cleaned-up transcript of Stankey's remarks.

Stankey's comments on the AST SpaceMobile partnership

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:50

    Anpanman relays that Stankey described satellite service as a complement to AT&T's terrestrial network, aiming for a seamless, 100%-connectivity experience where consumers never notice a drop in coverage, extending beyond texting into full broadband use.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:50

    Anpanman states Stankey explicitly said AT&T's partnership with AST SpaceMobile 'remains strong' and that AST's direct-to-device approach provides a seamless product extending AT&T's own network, unlike Starlink's separate roaming-style network.

  • Anpanman Confirmed 00:00:50

    Anpanman recaps the history of the AT&T/AST relationship: AT&T began looking at AST around 2018-2019, started working closely in 2020, made a strategic investment in January 2024, and signed a commercial agreement in May 2024; he frames the joint venture as 'Stankey's baby.'

AST vs. Starlink architecture comparison

2
  • Anpanman Untagged 00:00:50

    Anpanman explains that AST SpaceMobile operates as a wholesaler fully integrated into the MNO's network core, with seamless handover between terrestrial and satellite and the MNO (not AST) controlling the eNodeB, service packages, and pricing — whereas Starlink offers a separate roaming network not integrated into the MNO core, with Starlink itself dictating the menu of services available.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:50

    Anpanman argues that Lynk Global has the same architectural drawback as Starlink — it places the eNodeB/network brains in the satellite itself, making it operate like a roaming network rather than being integrated into a carrier's core, and says Lynk has 'hit a wall' with limited momentum in intermittent low-band texting.

T-Mobile's apparent pivot away from Starlink

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:50

    Anpanman recounts that at yesterday's T-Mobile event, the CEO said T-Mobile might have spectrum in one area (e.g., a national park) but not another, whereas Verizon might have coverage there, so pooling resources could help — but Anpanman says this framing doesn't logically apply to Starlink, since T-Mobile's existing 5x5 MHz, 1.9 GHz PCS G-block spectrum committed to Starlink is already nationwide; he concludes the CEO must instead be referring to pooling low-band spectrum (specifically around 800 MHz) with AT&T and Verizon for use with AST.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:50

    Anpanman notes Starlink is acquiring EchoStar, which will give it roughly 60 MHz of spectrum in total, arguing there would be no need for Starlink to 'pool' additional spectrum since it will already have what it needs — reinforcing his view that T-Mobile's spectrum-pooling comments are about AST-related low-band spectrum, not Starlink.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:50

    Anpanman speculates that former T-Mobile CEO Mike Sievert was the original architect of the Starlink partnership, and suggests (without certainty) that Sievert's abrupt firing may have been connected to his having effectively 'birthed a competitor' in Starlink after Deutsche Telekom had approved the original deal.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:50

    Anpanman argues that if T-Mobile truly viewed Starlink as its key enabling technology, joining this AT&T/Verizon-centered joint venture would make no sense — concluding the JV is structured to let T-Mobile walk away from Starlink and align with AST instead.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:50

    Anpanman mentions that T-Mobile's exclusivity arrangement with Starlink is expiring this summer, which he suggests is when T-Mobile 'started to realize' it needed to shift toward working with AT&T and Verizon on AST.

Stankey's four strategic reasons for the joint venture

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:50

    Reason 1, unified standards and lobbying: Stankey said it's inefficient for carriers to lobby separately on handset design and spectrum capabilities, and that combining software IP lets them establish unified standards for heterogeneous networks to interoperate; Anpanman argues this specifically describes AST's 3GPP-based, backwards-compatible, standards-based approach versus Starlink's proprietary network.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:50

    Reason 2, spectrum optimization: Stankey said a full portfolio of scarce low-band and mid-band spectrum is necessary, and that aggregating traffic lets the carriers engineer a better, more widely available service using licensed spectrum efficiently; Anpanman says AST SpaceMobile is the only provider that can deliver broadband over low-band spectrum to unmodified phones.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:50

    Reason 3, a robust wholesale market: Stankey said the JV's primary goal is to foster a wholesale satellite market with multiple constellations, keeping pricing in check via healthy competition and preventing a single provider from dictating terms — framed by Anpanman as language crafted specifically to satisfy DOJ/FCC regulators rather than a genuine multi-vendor plan.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:50

    Reason 4, efficient infrastructure sharing: Stankey said building separate, redundant ground-station infrastructure three times over (once per carrier) makes no sense, and the JV lets them build shared ground infrastructure using common standards that routes traffic to each carrier's separate mobile core; Anpanman says this only makes sense if using a single constellation (AST), since Starlink already owns and operates its own separate ground infrastructure and eNodeB.

Economics: revenue share and contract terms

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:50

    Anpanman states AST SpaceMobile has a 50/50 revenue-share split with AT&T and Verizon, compared to what he describes as an 80/20 split favoring Starlink under its deal with T-Mobile, and argues the JV's 'keep pricing in check' language implicitly signals dissatisfaction with Starlink's economics.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:50

    Anpanman notes the AT&T commercial contract with AST runs through 2030, and the Verizon contract runs through 2030 or 2029 (he is not fully certain which), and speculates that if T-Mobile joins under a most-favored-nation clause, it would likely also get a 50/50 deal like AT&T and Verizon.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:50

    Anpanman speculates that even if the DOJ requires the carriers to negotiate pricing individually rather than collectively through the JV (to avoid cartel-like behavior), and even if AST has to give up some revenue-share percentage over time (e.g., in 2031-2032) to keep 100% of the US market, that trade-off would still be a good deal for AST and is not a long-term threat to its economics.

Traffic share, dead-zone coverage, and national security/FirstNet

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  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:50

    Anpanman notes Stankey (and separately the T-Mobile CEO) said satellite traffic today represents a very small percentage of total network traffic — T-Mobile cited roughly 0.005% of its network traffic — which Anpanman attributes to today's intermittent texting/narrowband use case rather than to low consumer demand; he expects usage to rise once broadband service is available.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:50

    Anpanman contrasts coverage precision: Starlink can only address large geographic dead zones because it can't beam to specific fixed cells, whereas AST SpaceMobile can pinpoint small dead-zone areas (e.g., a beach or a specific neighborhood), something he says Starlink can't do today.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:50

    Anpanman argues the joint venture has national-security and emergency-response implications since FirstNet (AT&T's public-safety network) is powered by AST SpaceMobile, meaning pooled resources across all three carriers would help first responders and disaster victims when terrestrial towers fail during tornadoes, hurricanes, or fires.

Competitive outlook for Starlink and technical performance comparison

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  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:50

    Anpanman speculates that Starlink executives Gwynne Shotwell and Dave Goldman are upset about this standards-based, network-integrated, spectrum-pooling approach because it signals Starlink will lack an MNO partner willing to advocate for it, forcing Starlink into a direct-to-consumer sales strategy (advertising an eSIM add-on service) rather than deep carrier integration.

  • Anpanman Company Guidance 00:00:50

    Anpanman says Block 1 BlueBird satellites (launched in 2024) achieve 100 megabits per second, Block 2 satellites are expected to roughly double that, versus Starlink Direct-to-Cell's current speed of around 5 megabits per second; he attributes the Block 1 figure to a mention by Scott [Wisniewski] the prior day.

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:50

    Anpanman states Starlink's second-generation satellite, which depends on Starship's success (including unresolved technical issues around returning and landing the second stage without heat-tile damage), is expected to launch around 2027-2029 and target roughly 150 megabits per second, an outcome he says 'remains yet to be seen.'

  • Anpanman Speculation 00:00:50

    Anpanman speculates the joint venture could in the future work with other constellations such as Amazon's once they have a workable solution, but notes that once the deep network-core integration with AST is built out, it would be very hard to rip and replace; he also notes T-Mobile (unlike AT&T and Verizon, which have exclusivity with AST) could potentially offer consumers a choice between AST-based broadband service and a separate Starlink eSIM subscription.

Watch Items4

  • Joint venture (AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile) commercial satellite service launch, expected to leverage AST SpaceMobile

    Second half of 2026, per Stankey's keynote as relayed by Anpanman Anpanman 00:00:50
  • Department of Justice / FCC antitrust and competition review of the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture

    Not specified; described as an upcoming regulatory review process Anpanman 00:00:50
  • Expiration of T-Mobile's exclusivity arrangement with Starlink

    This summer (2026), per Anpanman Anpanman 00:00:50
  • Starlink second-generation Direct-to-Cell satellite launch (dependent on Starship success), targeting ~150 Mbps

    Anpanman estimates 2027-2029 Anpanman 00:00:50

Open Questions4

  • Will the Department of Justice require AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile to negotiate satellite pricing individually rather than collectively through the joint venture, to avoid antitrust/cartel concerns?

    Anpanman 00:00:50
  • Will the joint venture eventually add other satellite constellations (e.g., Amazon's) once they have a workable direct-to-device solution, given the JV's public 'multiple constellations' framing?

    Anpanman 00:00:50
  • Will T-Mobile actually secure a most-favored-nation 50/50 revenue-share deal with AST similar to AT&T and Verizon, or will its terms differ?

    Anpanman 00:00:50
  • How will Starlink respond competitively if it is left without a supportive MNO partner and must rely on direct-to-consumer eSIM sales instead?

    Anpanman 00:00:50
2026-05-18 1:02:39

Kook's Weekly - May 18 - SpaceMobile's Global Checkmate

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Kook is solo-hosting this Kook's Weekly recap after the May 11 Q1 2026 earnings call and the surprise AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile satellite JV announcement. He argues both events confirm AST SpaceMobile's position as the indispensable direct-to-cell infrastructure layer for US carriers trying to keep Starlink from becoming a de facto fourth mobile network operator.

He walks through the physics reason only AST's large phased arrays can deliver true low-band broadband (vs. Starlink's text-message-grade speeds).

He recaps earnings-call disclosures on manufacturing, radar/Golden Dome, ASIC completion and a new ULA launch partnership. He also highlights AST's already-locked-in Africa and Europe carrier contracts and heavily aligned shareholder base.

His headline conclusion is that the market hasn't yet priced in AST's global contractual dominance or the potential short-covering rally from a heavily shorted float. He isn't troubled by the post-earnings revenue-miss pullback.

Key Takeaways

  • AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile announced a joint venture around satellite-to-cell/direct-to-device service; Kook interprets this as a defensive move by the three carriers to box out SpaceX's Starlink Direct to Cell rather than a genuine dead-zone-coverage initiative, with AST SpaceMobile positioned as the technology the alliance is built around.
  • Kook believes the JV is very unlikely to become a single-buyer 'cartel' that squeezes AST on price, both because of Department of Justice antitrust risk and because AST has other markets (Europe, Africa, government/first-responder) it could lean on if US carrier pricing turned hostile; he expects the JV to be narrowly scoped to spectrum coordination, technical specs, and possibly gateways.
  • Kook explains that low-band radio waves are physically larger, requiring phased-array antenna elements to be spaced farther apart to avoid interference, so only a satellite antenna as large as AST's BlueBird design can generate usable low-band beams for direct-to-cell — which he says is why Starlink cannot match AST on low-band spectrum.
  • Citing recent test data, Kook says AST achieved effective speeds of roughly 100 megabits per second today via carrier aggregation of multiple spectrum slivers, with next-generation (Block 2/FM1-class) satellites expected to nearly double that to around 200 megabits per second, versus a roughly 3 megabits-per-second real-world test result cited for Starlink Direct to Cell in the North Sea.
  • Kook says AT&T's and Verizon's existing commercial agreements with AST run through 2030 and are not affected by the new JV unless AST separately agreed to amend them, which is unconfirmed.
  • On the Q1 2026 earnings call, Kook says Scott Wisniewski explicitly confirmed radar capability for the first time, and Abel Avellan said it does not require mid-band spectrum and is already being used today on low-band spectrum for non-communications government use cases; the company also disclosed an additional Golden Dome-related award.
  • Kook says AST disclosed adding United Launch Alliance (ULA) as a new launch partner, with roughly 5 AST satellites fitting on a ULA rocket (the Vulcan/Centaur), adding to its existing SpaceX, Blue Origin, and ISRO launch agreements.
  • Kook describes AST as having effectively locked in exclusive or preferential relationships with major African carriers (Vodacom, Safaricom, MTN Nigeria, Orange/Axian) and with European carriers via its SatCo joint venture, calling this global contractual head start before commercial service even launches an underappreciated barrier to entry.
  • Kook highlights that AST's major partners — Verizon, AT&T, Vodafone, Telus (Canada), Google, and Rakuten — all hold AST stock, which he says aligns their financial incentive with AST's share-price success rather than squeezing the company on commercial terms.
  • Kook flags roughly 60 million AST shares sold short, which he estimates at over 30% of the free float, and argues that if short sellers are eventually forced to cover as the bullish thesis plays out, the resulting buy pressure could sharply move the stock ('a biblical shrinkage of the float').
  • Kook says he was not troubled by the Q1 2026 earnings call despite a revenue miss and a stock pullback, framing the update as confirmation of scaled manufacturing, continued technical outperformance, and new government/commercial business rather than a disappointment.

Detailed Discussion9 topics

Investing Philosophy and Context

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  • Kook Untagged 00:00:30

    Kook describes learning to think like investor Ron Baron, who identifies generational founders and secular trends and reduces theses to simple math (e.g., his early Tesla thesis: assume a market-share percentage, apply gross margin, get EBIT, apply a multiple); Kook says he has tried to apply that same simplicity to his AST SpaceMobile thesis rather than constantly cycling through new ideas.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook notes the stock hit $60 at the end of July (roughly a year prior) before a convertible bond announcement (attributed to Scott Wisniewski, 'the Lewski') knocked the stock down; he says the stock is now up nearly 30% from that prior high print on a year-over-year basis, and argues compounding at 20-30% a year while otherwise 'doing nothing' is the real source of outperformance.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook mentions reading a recent Hennessy (investment firm) letter that he felt was written 'as if they know something,' particularly around military/government use cases, suggesting the firm may have unusually specific insight into AST's government revenue opportunity.

AT&T / Verizon / T-Mobile Joint Venture

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  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:30

    Kook says he was woken around 5 a.m. by Anpanman after Bloomberg headlines reported the three major US mobile carriers creating a joint venture without mentioning AST SpaceMobile or SpaceX by name; Anpanman called it 'the Verizon moment' (referencing Verizon's 2024 AST investment) and urged Kook to buy, but Kook felt he already owned enough.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:30

    Kook notes Abel Avellan tweeted an AST SpaceMobile press release commending the JV, and separately reacted to the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile announcement with a smiley cowboy emoji, which Kook reads as confirmation the JV is good news for AST.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook argues the JV cannot legally be structured as a single buyer's cartel facing AST or SpaceX because of Department of Justice antitrust risk, and predicts it will instead be a narrowly scoped layer handling spectrum coordination, technical specs, and possibly shared gateways — aimed at pooling spectrum to box SpaceX out rather than aggregating purchasing power over AST.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook says AT&T's and Verizon's existing commercial agreements with AST already run through 2030 and cannot be unilaterally changed by the new JV, unless AST itself proactively agreed to amend them, which is not yet known.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook relays a corporate-legal contact ('James Zington') independently concluding the JV press release is not about dead-zone coverage but about keeping SpaceX out, corroborating Kook's own read.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook says it has been confirmed (including via Starlink executives' own interviews) that T-Mobile only had a one-year deal with AST SpaceMobile with a lifetime value of about $100 million, and speculates T-Mobile's closing of a deal with Grain Management for 800 MHz spectrum (which Grain wants to operationalize quickly per an active FCC docket) points toward Grain doing a deal with AST, since AST is effectively the only company that can use low-band spectrum for direct-to-cell effectively.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:30

    Kook cites Roth Capital (sell-side) concluding the carrier 'triumvirate' JV caters to AST SpaceMobile, and Will Townsend stating on record that he views the alliance as a defensive move to mitigate the impact of any non-terrestrial network provider (i.e., Starlink) that might compete more directly with the mobile network operators — a view Kook says matches his own.

  • Kook Disagreement 00:00:30

    Kook acknowledges some investors raised a fair question about whether the JV creates a single-buyer market with pricing pressure on AST (an 'OPEC of MNOs'); his rebuttal is that the US is only one market among many AST serves (Europe, Africa, government/first-responder), and that non-traditional future buyers (Meta, Google, and eventually device makers like Anthropic or an OpenAI phone) could further reduce AST's dependence on the three US carriers.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook argues AST has no real competitor because it built a fundamentally different, larger and more powerful satellite (he cites a figure of roughly 60 times the performance of what Starlink presently has), and that the integration required (e.g., AT&T reportedly using about 200 people to make AST traffic run natively on its network, billing, IMS, voicemail, and lawful intercept) plus a 2-3 year minimum regulatory pathway for spectrum/constellation authorization make it very difficult for any MNO to commoditize or replace AST.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook cites a Sequoia partner, Sean Maguire, saying he believes direct-to-cell will be a bigger market than the original consumer internet business, a view Kook shares; he contrasts SpaceX's roughly $20 billion in spectrum investment with an increasingly unclear D2C path if it loses T-Mobile, comparing SpaceX's situation to Elon Musk's difficult position in AI (xAI/Grok) versus Anthropic and OpenAI, and speculates SpaceX's eventual answer for its IPO narrative could be building its own phone.

Why Only AST Can Deliver Low-Band Direct-to-Cell

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  • Kook Untagged 00:00:30

    Kook explains that low-band spectrum has physically larger radio waves, requiring the antenna elements that generate them to be spaced farther apart to avoid interference, so a phased array needs to be large to produce usable low-band beams; AST is the only company with a phased array large enough to do this effectively (he says Lynk might attempt it, but not effectively).

  • Kook Confirmed 00:00:30

    Kook cites recent testing showing AST achieved carrier aggregation (combining multiple slivers of spectrum to a single device) to reach effective speeds of about 100 megabits per second, which he says was not achievable on a single 5 MHz sliver alone; he says next-generation satellites (bigger, with more/stronger beams) are expected to nearly double this to about 200 megabits per second, versus a roughly 3 megabits-per-second speed measured for Starlink in a real-world North Sea test, which he says is only suitable for basic text messaging, not true broadband.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:38:48

    Kook references additional test data showing spectral efficiency of up to 6 bits per second per hertz, which he says shows AST's technology delivering performance beyond what was previously thought possible with large antenna arrays.

Q1 2026 Earnings Call Recap — Manufacturing, ASIC, and Launch

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook says he was not disappointed by the Q1 2026 earnings call despite the stock trading off following a revenue miss, framing the report as an update from management to shareholders on a business already performing well (scaled manufacturing, strong technical progress, regulatory posture, and balance sheet) rather than a true disappointment.

  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook says imagery from the earnings materials showed the next batch of BlueBirds (after the first batch) in final integration and testing, with 'Bluebird 8' appearing already packaged; he stresses 'no one knows when they're going to ship' and speculates — based purely on the visuals — that two batches of satellites could be ready to ship in July, explicitly flagging this as his own guess rather than confirmed guidance.

  • Kook Speculation 00:38:48

    Kook relays that Tanner (an engineer in the community) did an image breakdown suggesting the fifth satellite of the next launch batch is in final testing, which Tanner and Kook interpret as implying a July launch — again framed as inference from photos, not confirmed by the company.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:48:30

    Kook says the earnings materials and 10-K confirmed the AST5000 ASIC is complete and has been incorporated into the production line, which he says increases processing bandwidth and beam capacity for next-generation satellites.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:48:30

    Kook says the company disclosed it will use United Launch Alliance (ULA) for future launches in addition to SpaceX, Blue Origin, and ISRO, stating AST believes it can fit 5 satellites on a ULA rocket (the Centaur), which he calls a 'big boy rocket' commonly associated with the US military.

  • Kook Speculation 00:48:30

    Kook notes Blue Origin tweeted a photo showing two additional New Glenn boosters in its hangar, which he reads as Blue Origin standing up an aggressive launch cadence that will meaningfully add launch supply capacity given New Glenn's larger payload capacity versus Falcon 9.

Radar, Golden Dome, and Government Business

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  • Kook Company Guidance 00:38:48

    Kook says Scott Wisniewski explicitly confirmed radar capability on the earnings call for the first time (previously only referenced obliquely as 'non-communication use cases'), and Abel Avellan added that the radar capability does not require mid-band spectrum and has already been deployed and used today on low-band spectrum.

  • Kook Speculation 00:38:48

    Kook recalls past mockery of speculation (attributed to a commentator nicknamed 'Katzi') that AST satellites had suspicious flyover timing coinciding with sophisticated US electronic-warfare campaigns, and says the confirmed radar disclosure validates that these capabilities were already in use and will scale with AST's growing satellite coverage.

  • Kook Company Guidance 00:48:30

    Kook says Scott Wisniewski mentioned the company received another award related to Golden Dome on the call, and that he expects more such awards going forward; he also notes the Hennessy letter appeared unusually specific about the government revenue opportunity, suggesting deeper insight than the market currently has.

Global Commercial Contracts — Africa, Europe, and Aligned Cap Table

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  • Kook Speculation 00:00:30

    Kook says AST has effectively 'conquered' Africa contractually, naming carriers Vodacom, Safaricom, MTN Nigeria, Axian, and Orange as already locked in, comparable to the commercial JV-like dominance he says AST already has in the US and Europe, calling this global contractual head start before commercial satellites even launch an underappreciated barrier to entry.

  • Kook Speculation 00:38:48

    Kook cites a commentator, Alex from Babylon, saying the market completely missed that AST locked down Africa in the same way it locked down the US and EU.

  • Kook Speculation 00:38:48

    Kook cites Anpanman flagging a tweet from Daniel Thomas (sales/commercial, SatCo) about working with European partners, and says Anpanman predicts Deutsche Telekom will eventually join AST's European carrier roster, noting recent Deutsche Telekom comments Kook interprets as suggestive of that outcome — explicitly framed as prediction, not yet confirmed.

  • Kook Speculation 00:38:48

    Kook notes that Verizon, AT&T, Vodafone, Telus (Canada), and Google all own AST stock, and Rakuten still owns a reduced stake after recently realizing what Kook estimates was roughly $400 million in gains from a partial sale; he argues this aligned cap table gives AST's largest commercial partners a financial incentive to want AST's stock — and by extension AST's business — to succeed rather than to squeeze it on commercial terms.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:48:30

    Kook cites a pre-JV earnings-call exchange in which Craig Moffett asked T-Mobile CFO Peter Osvaldik about competition from AST and Amazon/Globalstar's direct-to-cell offerings; Osvaldik reportedly called them complements and said T-Mobile was excited about having a broad competitive set including AST and the Amazon/Globalstar partnership.

TAM Expansion and Tower Disruption

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  • Kook Speculation 00:48:30

    Kook cites research shared by 'Only 6 Inches,' attributed to Lynk's former founder Charles Miller, characterizing the direct-to-cell opportunity as a multi-hundred-billion-dollar business potentially serving up to 8 billion customers — the first satellite business in history with billions of potential paying customers.

  • Kook Confirmed 00:48:30

    Kook says the FCC's recent posture encourages 'functional equivalence' between terrestrial and satellite spectrum use for buildout requirements, citing AT&T's recently acquired EchoStar spectrum now being eligible to use direct-to-device to meet some buildout requirements, which he frames as fuel for MNOs replacing uneconomical rural towers with AST's service.

  • Kook Speculation 00:48:30

    Kook quotes a community member ('NotKen2024') who says he used to build and own rural cell towers, sold his tower portfolio after learning about AST years ago, and rolled a chunk of proceeds into AST stock, arguing MNOs will save billions per year in uneconomical tower spend by using AST instead.

Short Interest and Float Dynamics

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  • Kook Speculation 00:38:48

    Kook says roughly 60 million AST shares are currently sold short, which he estimates at over 30% of the free float, and argues this represents a large amount of 'synthetic dilution' since borrowed-and-sold shares are effectively outstanding; he argues that if short sellers are eventually forced to cover as the bullish thesis is validated, the reversal would act like a large stock buyback and could sharply move the market-clearing price.

Closing Outlook

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  • Kook Speculation 00:48:30

    Kook says the JV news reinforces his belief that AST is the carrier-neutral winner and that SpaceX, while a real competitor scaring the MNOs, is mainly a threat in the B2B market (competing to be a wholesale satellite provider to carriers) rather than truly threatening AST's position, because the MNOs' fear of Starlink is what is driving them toward AST — potentially giving AST something close to a monopoly on the B2B2C side.

  • Kook Speculation 01:01:22

    Kook closes by predicting the following week will be unusually quiet with 'literally nothing' happening, joking there may be no weekly recap or X Space episode next week unless news breaks.

Watch Items5

  • Two batches of Block 2 BlueBird satellites potentially ready to ship, based on Kook's own visual read of AST's investor imagery (explicitly unconfirmed — 'no one knows when they're going to ship')

    July (Kook's own speculative estimate) Kook 00:00:30
  • Fifth satellite of the next launch batch reportedly shown in final testing per a community image analysis (Tanner), interpreted as implying an upcoming launch

    July (inferred, not company-confirmed) Kook 00:38:48
  • Blue Origin's New Glenn launch cadence — two additional boosters shown in the hangar, suggesting an accelerating launch schedule relevant to AST's Block 2 launch capacity

    Not specified Kook 00:48:30
  • Possible Deutsche Telekom addition to AST's European carrier partnerships

    Predicted by Anpanman, not yet confirmed Kook 00:38:48
  • Final structure and scope of the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture, including any Department of Justice review

    Details not yet released as of this episode Kook 00:00:30

Open Questions4

  • What exact legal and operational structure will the AT&T/Verizon/T-Mobile joint venture take, and could it change AST's existing bilateral commercial agreements with AT&T and Verizon?

    Kook 00:00:30
  • Could the new carrier JV eventually create single-buyer pricing pressure on AST in the US market, effectively acting like an 'OPEC of MNOs'?

    Kook 00:00:30
  • When will AST actually ship its next batches of Block 2 BlueBird satellites, including the satellite referred to as 'Bluebird 8'?

    Kook 00:00:30
  • What is SpaceX's long-term strategic path in direct-to-cell if it loses T-Mobile as a US carrier partner — will it attempt to build its own phone, or pivot its invested spectrum/satellite capacity to something else entirely?

    Kook 00:00:30